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I wan to be clear. The rasies are only for Lieutenants and below?

As I hope this is true. The upper management has taken great care of itself as well as all their little buddies working in the buildings in Tallahassee. All one has to do is look at the salaries and see where an administrative assistant, sorry - government specialist of managment process specialties (a little title humor) in Tallahassee makes about 20K more then the officers on the front line. Capt's and above have been nicely taken care of. I would like to see the average of them that is at base salary for the pay band, not what the agency is calling base salary, but base salary of the pay band. Then compare that data to how many officers are at base salary of the pay band.

Anyways, good job so far, hopefully this will make it through.

There is no need to attack our own when it comes to receiving pay raises. Only a small portion of upper management receives a decent wage.
Here is the skinny

Majors and about all receive the same pay as everyone in their rank classification.

Col - 129k
All Lt Cols - 120k
All Chiefs - 110k
All Majors -100k


Capts -
The lowest paid Capt. - 75k
The Highest Paid Capt. - 100k

Lts -
The lowest - 54k
The highest -94k


As you can see, Lts and Capts are also suffering pay compression because most of them were troopers when there was no pay raises and came on FHP after the step plan ended in 1990. Those high paying Lts and Capts came on when they were benefiting from the step plan (all 12 steps).


I do not remember which Col it was, but I think it was Hall that gave Majors and above a pay raise so they could all be whole and make the same pay within their same rank.

I agree that those Capts making 25k more than the lowest paid Capt., don't need a pay raise and those Lts making 30-40k more than the lowest paid Lt do not need a pay raise.
We have Sgts making almost as the lowest paid Capts and we have Sgts, Cpls and some troopers making more than Lts.

Those are the facts and I would suggest that you do your own research to verify what I posted and don't spread misleading information. In other words, don't make stuff up.

I tell you what Capt, how about we trade salaries and we will see who has the agreeable gripe. Not all, or should I say many, of the promotions were made on merit. They were crony crap as always.

How about you post a list of all supervisors, Capt and up, and their pay for the last 8 years, then lets do the same for all troopers, officers, etc. that have been in the same rank for the same period of time.

I bet you don't want that information out do you overpaid Capt.

I am gonna cry, the Lt. Col makes over 100k, captains making around 70k, yeah we need to feel sorry for those wastes of space.

STOP!
No one has suggested that troopers do not deserve a pay raise. No one in management will get in the way of a pay raise for troopers. As a matter of fact, some have and are willing to champion the cause for troopers.

I think you misunderstood, we should not advocate for anyone including those in management of not getting a pay raise. Whether you agree or not, this will only create a pay compression for those in ranks. Meaning, Sgts and troopers will be getting paid more than some Lts and Captains.

Let me say this loud and clear, TROOPERS AND SGTS PAY IS PATHETIC AND DEPLORABLE!!

Weather you agree or not it also applies to some Lts and Captains, because they also have experienced the pay compression. I don't know what you are referring to as crony promotions.
Maybe for Majors and above, but Lt's and Capt. have to take promotional exams and then are invited to the assessment centers. You may disagree with some promotions because of whatever reason, but you have right to express that.

As to switching salaries with management, I have been there as a trooper being under paid for many years. Fortunately, I know I had to promote to get a pay raise and take on the additional responsibilities. I welcome you to take on those responsibilities with low pay as well. You will discover very quickly that the pay and benefits are not consummate with the duties.

As for posting a list of salaries, just look it up, Its public record. Rick Scott posted this information when he was elected.

Lookup the highest paid trooper, Sgt, Lt and Capt. Then look up the lowest of each to compare. You will also discover a pay compression exists in ranks up to Captain. This also include how close those high paying Sgts and troopers are to the rank above them.

http://dmssalaries.herokuapp.com/salaries

[Matt Puckett]

Matt, could you post these messages on the FWC site. Anyway thanks for the work PBA is doing trying to get us a raise.

As you probably saw by now, I posted the same information on the FWC forum. Hardly any views.

Thanks for doing it. I think everyone is mostly coming here now as it appears this is the PBA forum, as I just found the actual PBA forum on the Florida page.

You're welcome. I will keep posting on the FWC site.

I just heard the house lowered the proposed payraise from 1400 to 1000. Looks like at the end we might get crapped on again, I hate this state.

[Matt Puckett]

I just heard the house lowered the proposed payraise from 1400 to 1000. Looks like at the end we might get crapped on again, I hate this state.

They kept the additional 3% in for all of you and the other state law enforcement officers and FDLE special agents. Here's the language from page four of the amendment 990011:

2) SPECIAL PAY ISSUES
(a) Effective July 1, 2013, from the funds in Specific Appropriation 1950A, $1,302,827 from the General Revenue Fund and $8,351,498 from trust funds are provided to fund competitive pay adjustments of 3 percent on the employee's June 30, 2013 base rate of pay, to unit and non-unit employees of the Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol, and Special Agent bargaining units.



Senate didn't change anything in its proposal.

Both sides are just posturing for the budget negotiations. Patience

I just heard the house lowered the proposed payraise from 1400 to 1000. Looks like at the end we might get crapped on again, I hate this state.

They kept the additional 3% in for all of you and the other state law enforcement officers and FDLE special agents. Here's the language from page four of the amendment 990011:

2) SPECIAL PAY ISSUES
(a) Effective July 1, 2013, from the funds in Specific Appropriation 1950A, $1,302,827 from the General Revenue Fund and $8,351,498 from trust funds are provided to fund competitive pay adjustments of 3 percent on the employee's June 30, 2013 base rate of pay, to unit and non-unit employees of the Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol, and Special Agent bargaining units.



Senate didn't change anything in its proposal.

Both sides are just posturing for the budget negotiations. Patience

I thought both had 5% extra for 5 year Officers ?

Here it comes.....I smell the manure already.

[Matt Puckett]

I just heard the house lowered the proposed payraise from 1400 to 1000. Looks like at the end we might get crapped on again, I hate this state.

They kept the additional 3% in for all of you and the other state law enforcement officers and FDLE special agents. Here's the language from page four of the amendment 990011:

2) SPECIAL PAY ISSUES
(a) Effective July 1, 2013, from the funds in Specific Appropriation 1950A, $1,302,827 from the General Revenue Fund and $8,351,498 from trust funds are provided to fund competitive pay adjustments of 3 percent on the employee's June 30, 2013 base rate of pay, to unit and non-unit employees of the Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol, and Special Agent bargaining units.



Senate didn't change anything in its proposal.

Both sides are just posturing for the budget negotiations. Patience

I thought both had 5% extra for 5 year Officers ?

The Senate budget has an across the board increase for all state employees of 3%. The senate budget also has an additional 3% for state law enforcement officers, FHP, FDLE Special Agents with less than 5 years and an additional 5% for officers with 5 years or more. So there's a potential 6% for officers with less than 5 years and a potential 8% for officers with 5 years or more. That is just the Senate plan.

The House has amended its budget to provide an across the board raise of $1,000 effective November 1, 2013. The House budget also has an additional 3% for all state law enforcement officers, FHP, and FDLE special agents effective July 1, 2013. There is a $400 merit bonus included in the House budget for employees who met the performance requirements of chapter 110.

Here's the really important part - All of this is going to change once they start budget negotiations. The good news is there's extra money for all of you included in both budgets. They have indicated by their proposals that they want to address your salary issues.

I have said this before and deserves repeating... Patience. I know it is frustrating and confusing, but it is meant to be that way. The budget process is high level chess.

[Matt Puckett]

Here it comes.....I smell the manure already.

Here what comes?

The truth. There are people who want you to believe this fantasy about your raise and how it came to be. And then there's me who is telling it to you straight. I am going to give you all the documents here shortly so you can see it for yourself. I have not done that yet because the two chambers haven't finalized their proposals. As you can see from the House amendment, things are subject to change.

One thing has not changed, you have additional money allocated in both budget proposals. Even the people spreading lies about the PBA admit that.

[Matt Puckett]

As promised, here is all of the language with bill numbers and page numbers.

The Senate proposes an across the board three-percent pay raise for all state employees:

(1) EMPLOYEE AND OFFICER COMPENSATION
(a) CAREER SERVICE AND EMPLOYEES SUBJECT TO CAREER SERVICE
Funds are provided in Specific Appropriation 1950A for pay increases for all eligible employees represented by: (1) the Florida Police Benevolent Association, (2) the Teamsters Local Union No. 2011, (3) the Florida Nurses Association, (4) the American Federation of State County, and Municipal Employees, Council 79, and (5) the Florida State Fire Service Association, as well as all other eligible Career Service employees not included in a represented collective bargaining unit. Funds are to be distributed as follows:
Effective July 1, 2013, for all eligible unit and non-unit Career Service employees, funds are provided to grant a competitive pay adjustment of 3.0 percent on each employee’s June 30, 2013, base rate of pay. (SB 1500, page 362)

The Senate also proposes an extra “special” pay for all law enforcement officers in the Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol, and the Special Agents bargaining units in the units:

(2) SPECIAL PAY ISSUES:

(a) For purposes of this subsection (2), "law enforcement employee" means: (1) each eligible unit employee in the law enforcement collective bargaining unit, special agent collective bargaining unit and Florida Highway Patrol collective bargaining unit; (2) each eligible non-unit employee who is a sworn law enforcement officer and is in the command staff for those unit employees; and, (3) each eligible employee of the Fish and Wildlife Commission, Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles and Department of Law Enforcement employed in class code 8407 (Regional Duty Officer), 8410 (Duty Officer) and 8411 (Duty Officer Supervisor).

(b) Effective July 1, 2013, in addition to the adjustment required pursuant to subsection (1) and from funds in Specific Appropriation 1950A: 1. Each law enforcement employee with less than 5 years of state service as a law enforcement employee shall receive a special competitive pay adjustment of 3.0 percent on each employee’s June 30, 2013 base rate of pay.
2. Each law enforcement employee with 5 or more years of state service as a law enforcement employee shall receive a special competitive pay adjustment of 5.0 percent on each employee’s June 30, 2013, base rate of pay. (SB 1500, pages 363 - 364)

The House proposes a $1,000 across the board pay raise for all state employees and an extra $400 merit pay increase:

Pay Grade and Pay Band Adjustments
It is the intent of the Legislature that, effective November 1, 2013, the maximum for each pay grade and pay band shall be increased by $1,000, consistent with the salary increase provided in this act. In addition, the intent is for all eligible employees to receive the increase, even if they exceed the cap. (HB 5001, page 364)

(2) SPECIAL PAY ISSUES
(b) Funds are provided in Specific Appropriation 1950A to allow each agency head, including the Supreme Court Justice, to provide discretionary one-time lump sum bonuses of $400 to eligible permanent employees in order to recruit, retain and reward quality personnel as provided in s. 110.1245(2), F.S. No bonus shall be paid prior to June 1, 2014. (HB 5001, page 365)

The House also proposes an extra 3 percent “special” pay increase for all law enforcement officers in the Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol, and the Special Agents bargaining units:

(2) SPECIAL PAY ISSUES
(a) Effective July 1, 2013, from the funds in Specific Appropriation 1950A, $1,302,827 from the General Revenue Fund and $8,351,498 from trust funds are provided to fund competitive pay adjustments of 3 percent on the employee’s June 30, 2013 base rate of pay, to unit and non-unit employees of the Law Enforcement, Florida Highway Patrol, and Special Agent bargaining units. (HB 5001, page 365)

Hopefully the Senate will prevail!