Who will get the axe?

Dear Standing up for the deputies,

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Burglary is a crime that we are allowed to pursue, check your policy moron

Lee, you as a former deputy and supervisor should know it is unfortunate that the deputy that hit Matias may have violated policy as unmarked vehicles will not be involved in pursuits unless absolutely necessary and Will be relieved by a marked unit. This deputy was not even in the area of the pursuit. Yes Matias did commit a traffic violation that cost him his life but there are factors involved here where the deputy needs to take responsibility for, such as; policy states it is up to the deputy to determine to initiate a pursuit based on all factors crime involved, traffic, known suspect, aggressiveness of the pursuit to innocent parties and property, and speed. also if the pursuit was not called off then the supervisors are just as responsible.
Now in regards to the approval of the charges by staff, yes those from the detective up through sheriff should be held responsible. If they lied criminal charges should be brought against them. We as law enforcement have a duty to uphold the law. If we know an order is given and it is wrong, unethical illegal etc we are bound by law not to follow it. If they chose to follow those orders knowing that, the consequences for that decision is on them.
I don't want to see a deputy hung out for this but unless there is an outside investigation the past history of discipline will be repeated. FDLE is not who I would recommend for this, it should be done by the FBI by order of the DOJ.

The pursuit was tragic indeed. You never wish for something like this to happen. Many of us working the road see it day in and day out. Running code to a call and some moron pulls out in front of you. Pursuit or not!

Correct, the policy at this time only allows to chase for "violent felonies". If we had less restrictive policy, then reasonable suspicion to stop their "stolen" vehicle and them fleeing LCSO would've been good for murder charges, burglary or not.

Lee, you wrote "

Laws were written and developed many years ago as a basis to form a civilized society.... and the laws of this great State were not made to be ignored, nor to be treated arbitrarily or with indifference.

When a law says you must stop for reds and blues and the criminal runs from us because they know we can't chase them, who is going to bring them to justice? The fire department? Your local plumber? or we can just catch them later after they run rampart doing sig 21 and sig 10 and we just wave at them so we can catch them next time, hopefully before they get to a vehicle, the cycle repeats itself.

We are trained in PIT. Pursuits are dangerous. Let's end them as fast as they begin. A new corner light and the patrol car is back in service and the criminal is behind bars. People run from a reason. These 2 perps are not angels. They had plenty of chances to stop and surrender, but THEY chose to run.

Otherwise, the death would be the responsibility of the Sheriff's Office.

How is it our responsibility? The Deputy had his lights and sirens activated and operating with due care. How is it his fault that a motorist pulled out in front of him? The new LED lights are pretty bright. Back in the day of strobe lights, an unmarked vehicle was not as visible. In this day and age with new LED technology, you can make any car light up like a Christmas tree.


Scott v. Harris (2007)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_v._Harris

- A decision by the United States Supreme Court involving a lawsuit against a sheriff's deputy brought by a motorist who was paralyzed after the officer ran his eluding vehicle off the road during a high-speed car chase. The driver contended that this action was an unreasonable seizure under the Fourth Amendment. The case also involved the question of whether a police officer's qualified immunity shielded him from suit under Section 1983. On April 30, 2007, in an 8-1 decision, the court sided with police and ruled that a "police officer's attempt to terminate a dangerous high-speed car chase that threatens the lives of innocent bystanders does not violate the Fourth Amendment, even when it places the fleeing motorist at risk of serious injury or death.

Do you know what they were chasing him for? Speeding. The blame lies with the violator, but for some reason people like to blame the police. Read up on your case laws.

Hey Lee, get your facts straight. MCU nor Major Jones was involved in this case. It was worked by the distict. Before you publish something about another person in an attempt to slander them, do your homework and get the facts right. Boy what a leader you'll never be. Hey by the way, whats on sell at Publix?

From your website,

Q: If you are elected, where do Charlie and Dominick Ferrante fit into your Administration?

A: Charlie Ferrante is retired and enjoying life in the private sector. Dominick has become a successful businessman. Both have moved on to new chapters in their life, and I wish them well in their endeavors. Neither wish to be involved in law enforcement any further, and will not be part of my Administration. UNTIL THEY CHANGES THEIR MINDS

Wow, you sure sound like a politician already LB, Both of these losers are busy in their own lives so they don't want to be part of LCSO. What happens when they change their minds (which they will)

Right back to the F Brother's.

Oh and nice way of hanging a Deputy out to dry, he had his lights and sirens on; in active pursuit of two fleeing burglary suspects, when a civilian pulled out in front of him-DIMWIT!

I guess under your admin, we would have to check with you before doing anything?

I love how these MS puppets try to divert the attention to the F bros and discredit LB for anything he posts! Oh no not the F bros! How could we ever live with them when Mike has been an example of what a true leader should be! If only the newspress would stop asking questions and LB would stop shedding light! Frankly,most in the agency will tell you an 8x10 of their hero MS hangs on the wall! (civillians carry wallet size also)