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    High Risk Retirement

    Has anyone at other agencies heard anything from the FRS regarding regaining high risk retirement? We have been told that FRS is sorting through all of the information.

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    You gotta be kidding. This is like the dispatchers wanting high-risk retirement coverage. In order to get high-risk retirement, you actually need to be in a HIGH RISK position! What's the high risk, dusting for prints or taking pictures???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guest
    You gotta be kidding. This is like the dispatchers wanting high-risk retirement coverage. In order to get high-risk retirement, you actually need to be in a HIGH RISK position! What's the high risk, dusting for prints or taking pictures???
    It's very clear you have no knowledge of the risks that are taken by these individuals. The on scene officer pokes his or her head into a bio-hazardous scene and runs to their car to call for Forensics/Crime Scene and never sets foot in there again. Yet, the technicians is exposed to all kinds of infectous fluids. Technicians handle scenes without having a firearm, and without a "sworn" officer being around for protection, so we can do our job. While officers are on the perimeter, the technician is working with the bomb technicians cataloging post blast evidence, or the arson investigator needs us to help with his scene and building or floor may give way. You may put bad guys in jail, but technicians keep them there....It could be you out there dusting the next time...Be Safe....RealCSI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guest
    You gotta be kidding. This is like the dispatchers wanting high-risk retirement coverage. In order to get high-risk retirement, you actually need to be in a HIGH RISK position! What's the high risk, dusting for prints or taking pictures???
    You have no clue. We are exposed to all kinds of things that the "officers" would never touch. There was a hot scene just the other night with the suspect running around with a gun. When our deputy was shot and killed, CSTs were in the woods documenting the scene with the suspect still armed just a short distance away. We had NO VESTS and NO GUNS to protect ourselves. We deserve high risk for all of the chemicals, powders, and dangers we are exposed to. So get a clue and stay on your own site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guest
    You gotta be kidding. This is like the dispatchers wanting high-risk retirement coverage. In order to get high-risk retirement, you actually need to be in a HIGH RISK position! What's the high risk, dusting for prints or taking pictures???
    How many meth labs and grow houses have you been in? We get called to just about every one in our county. So get back in your car, type some reports, and wait for us to work the scenes.

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    We just received notice today that we again have high risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealCSI
    The on scene officer pokes his or her head into a bio-hazardous scene and runs to their car to call for Forensics/Crime Scene and never sets foot in there again.
    And you use the proper personal protective equipment to process those scenes. It's the officers who initially show up who are exposed to the REAL danger by entering those scenes to either make arrests, rescue victims, or clear the building to make it safe for you WITHOUT all of the protective equipment. And if you're talking about hazardous material scenes such as meth labs, it's LEOs who are CLET certified who clear those up--not crime scene techs.

    Quote Originally Posted by RealCSI
    Yet, the technicians is exposed to all kinds of infectous fluids.
    Hence why you wear all that protective gear. You aren't exposed to anything more than someone who works in the healthcare field, and I don't see them getting any sort of hazardous duty status.

    Quote Originally Posted by RealCSI
    Technicians handle scenes without having a firearm, and without a "sworn" officer being around for protection, so we can do our job.
    What? Do you think the dead body you're photographing is going to attack you? Maybe that firearm on the floor will jump up and shoot you on its own. You do not "handle" a scene, you process the evidence. The officers have already secured the scene and cleared it of threats, so you don't need them inside for protection. The only threats to you are going to come from outside the scene, so that's why the officers are on the perimeter to keep them out.

    Quote Originally Posted by RealCSI
    While officers are on the perimeter, the technician is working with the bomb technicians cataloging post blast evidence, or the arson investigator needs us to help with his scene and building or floor may give way.
    The key word there is "POST-blast." The people taking the real risks (bomb techs) aren't going to call you into the scene to catalog the evidence until they have determined that there is no additional threat of detonation. Arson investigators also will not ask you to enter (or enter themselves) parts of a structure that are believed to be unsound.

    Let's see. In 2007, 188 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty. How many crime scene techs died in the line of duty? In fact...why don't you post a link to a story from last year showing ONE crime scene tech dying in the line of duty due to some of these "hazards" that you face.

    The statistics speak for themselves. Your job isn't anymore hazardous than a nursing assistant in an ER. I'm not saying your job isn't important, but don't try to play it up to be something it's not. You do NOT face the same hazards that LEOs or firefighters face and your rates of on the job injury and death show that.

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    Well, obviously you are one of the officers that actually makes sure the scene is secure. When is the last time you were sent into a scene (unarmed) to be processed and were surprised by a individual who came out of a locked room with a gun after the scene was described to you as "safe"? True story...turns out that person was the owner of the business and wasnt a threat, but what if that had been the bad guy? Like our fingerprint brush is going to stop them? Oh right, I guess thats when we use our flash! And another true story...a Tech is processing the outside of a window for prints and is surprised by the bad guy looking back at her through the window. Yet again, another "safe" scene. And the officer, yeah, safely tucked away in his cruiser typing his report.
    Additionally, when is the last time you made a bad arrest and were fired for it? Latent Print Examiners everyday are called on to make perfect conclusions. One bad ID and guess what, career is over. You make a bad arrest and you're checking on for your shift the next day. So in addition to the other facts from the other posts, Forensics should be considered high risk. Why would you deny it to the individuals that are there to help make your cases stick, and often times are the main, if not only, reason these bad guys end up off the street for good.
    And if you are going to tell me that the Techs and Examiners don't help you, I would think maybe hiding your degrading attitude towards them might improve your situation.

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    Had a Sig 5 Suspect try to turn himself in to the CST working Sig 5 scene. Outside scene. CST's are in uniform. Suspects dont know the difference, let alone the civilians. CST's have earned High Risk.

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    Re: High Risk Retirement

    Again....post some links to all these crime scene techs who have been killed in the line of duty. Actually, you could also just post a link to show how many are injured in the line of duty. Neither are going to come anywhere close to those who are actually sworn officers or firefighters. The Department of Labor keeps such statistics, so feel free to go look.

    You can make whatever arguments you want, but in the end it comes down to that. High risk is high risk for a reason. Nobody is "belittling" those of you who do the job, all that's being done is pointing out simple facts. Being in the science field you should understand empiricism and statistics. The statistics don't support your job being considered high risk.

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