89 Grand for Palm Trees????

Your last paragraph made some valid points, but the rest is tough guy/gal trash. If you really think Amendment 1 has not effected us, you need to open your eyes. Look at your paycheck, look at how many positions are going unfilled, ask how much money we have to spend for the rest of the year. You say hold the Cpls accountable, but how can that be done and what is your definition for their accountablity? Everyone knows the workers and everyone knows the lazy bunch, but they make the same and I would guess there is no expectation of production. Thanks for the pep talk, I will "man up" like I do every day I come to work. As for confronting Cpls or supervisors, you obviously must be very new or not so sharp. That would be an easy way to have a tough road at work. But I'm sure if (you may be one anyway) you were a supervisor, you would be so nice when a subordinate confronts you about being lazy, hanging out at X19, etc. I'm sure you would say sorry, hand them a tootsie pop, and cover their next call for service. Sorry to put it to you that way, but with all the suggestions you made in your post, this seemed to be the only way to explain reality to you. I know already I'm a no good loser, whiner, crybaby, weasel, chump, girlie boy, etc; thanks I know how the drill works, save your fingers the typing.

Ok, by your agreeing that I made a few valid points shows you have some common sense and honor. I withdraw my lazy boy comment and harsness of my post. You were clearly not who I intended the post for.

I will stick to my belief that the Corporal program is viable and a good idea but concede the best candidates are not in every position. The focus should be on improving a viable program, not gutting it because of a few mis selections. If the perception of the majority of patrol is the corporals are not on the road enough or carrying their weight, then either the admin needs to do a better job of explaning their assignment or examining the complaints and fixing the problems. Ignoring the issue and hoping it will go away is not a good strategy and will just continue to fuel the fire.

I withdraw my suggestion on confronting the Corporal. I understand your position.

Thank you, this is what this board was designed for. You are someone I would love to talk to and I appriciate we can find common ground on this board. I don't agree with everything you say, but you do have a valid point in your stance. I think this PD should eliminate the Cpl program and change the standards to make them less than Sgts. Start fresh with people who have established leadership and earned respect, not the giving the positions to lazy college grads, who have 7 yrs on the books. Look at our track record with that. It's sad the requirements for Cpl are more restrictive than Sgt. I could name multiple badge numbers who would make great Cpls or Sgts, who don't have college degrees or credits. Remember we have supervisors who got hired with GEDs and they did not have any college degrees when they got supervisor positions. Are they less a supervisor? Should we take their stripes and pay back? Having a college degree does not make you a great leader. Lead by example and your troops will fall in line. We have admin and officers who have multiple degrees and when they get to a call they are clueless. Does a degree help with administrative planning?; sure it does, but for old fashioned police work, it is useless. Interpersonal skills, personal interaction, and common sense, take over and clear the call. If you have these skills, then get your degree, I may say yes, you deserve a chance, but please don't say because I put years in and I have a college degree, I deserve to be your boss. Degrees are very overrated for early positions (Cpl/Sgt), but I agree the the top admin could benefit from college planning courses. We have alot of 1 yr officers, who have a 4 yr degrees, no life experience, and struggle in patrol. The SOP says they can put in for a supervisor position when their time is due, but is this what we need? Please keep it clean

Well said. Book smart street stupid does not make a GOOD supervisor.
Street smarts, a good head and common sense along with the ability to lead and lead by example, leadership presence by knowing how to communicate and teach as u lead as well as treating your troops as people.

Too bad no one reads these posts and is willing to have the guts and strength to make the changes.

I agree with everything you said. Except the elimination of the Corporal program. We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

As for talking about this in person, we likely have, that is the beauty and frustration with this site.

Don't fret, plenty of people who have decision making ability in this agency read leo affairs daily. If your posts are articulate, well spoken, and respectful, you may be able to sway an opinion.

If those use this forum to snipe, call names and laugh at other brothers and sisters, then whatever they say will be discounted regardless if their topic has merit.

BTW, couldn't agree with you more on the Corporals being harder to achieve than Sergeant. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I know it is that way because it is a leftover of the MPO program (a ten year requirement) becoming the SPO program (a seven year requirement) becoming the Corporal positions (still a seven year requirement) I am sure it will change with time.