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  1. #11
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    You should just be happy your number was never called and enjoy retirement. Instead you come here and state the obvious 20/20 hindsight which we already posses.

    Law enforcement deaths are reaching record highs all across the country. I guess we're all a bunch of rookies though.

  2. #12
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    Monday night quarterbacking is for pussies. We weren't there on those nights and we don't know what the situation was. I'm sure they all had a reason for doing what they did, none were rookies except for Billings.

    However...I do think that some need to get rid of their superhero complex, we area all human. Working in a time where it seems like every asshole has a gun or a knife we need to step up our game and be safe. It's almost like we're working with a target on our chest.

    TAKE BACK THE STREETS!

  3. #13
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    Deadly Mistakes

    One officer shot and one killed (not wearing his vest) at a traffic stop. The backup officer did not keep his eyes on the suspect vehicle to protect the officer in the vehicle making a computer check.
    You obviously have no idea what took place during this incident. I don't understand how you can make a statement without knowing the facts of the case. Get a little more information before you start commenting on why you believe a Deputys actions, or lack of, caused the death of another Deputy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skell Jockey
    You should just be happy your number was never called and enjoy retirement. Instead you come here and state the obvious 20/20 hindsight which we already posses.

    Law enforcement deaths are reaching record highs all across the country. I guess we're all a bunch of rookies though.
    If you all already knew this then why are you still making the same mistakes.

    When was the last time you and your fellow deputies along with your supervisors set down and had an opened discussion on why the officers in the situations I posted died.

    I had many close calls, but I was trained by a Supervisor who trained me to comply with SOP and never forget that at any stop I made that could be my last if I did not pay attention.

  5. #15
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    Re: deadly mistakes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Your an @ss hole. you could not wait to come up with this.
    No I could not wait until another officer dies, I am not the enemy here.
    I would glad be a piece of crap, *** VIRUS ALERT *** and fu$$ myself if it would bring a dead officer back, but it won't. Any officer who dies in the line of duty is a Hero, but when it is a failure to follow basic police procedures or SOP which contributes to his death that twice tragic.
    you did not give advise my sick friend, you came on this post to attack, that's the difference. monday morning quarterbacking. Not the time ! go back at sit in your car and do nothing. you're probably have not gotten written up or passed by the office of IA. CAUSE YOU DO NOTHING !

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    If you all already knew this then why are you still making the same mistakes.
    The incidents aren't related so what evidence do you have that anyone is making the same mistakes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    When was the last time you and your fellow deputies along with your supervisors set down and had an opened discussion on why the officers in the situations I posted died.
    Immediately following each incident and then some. I can't speak for the entire agency but I know all of the incidents were thorougly discussed amongst my circle. What makes you think they weren't?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    I had many close calls, but I was trained by a Supervisor who trained me to comply with SOP and never forget that at any stop I made that could be my last if I did not pay attention.
    Again, be thankful your number was never called.

    I'm not saying our training and communication are perfect but your assumptions are WAY off.

  7. #17
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    Re: deadly mistakes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Your an @ss hole. you could not wait to come up with this.
    No I could not wait until another officer dies, I am not the enemy here.
    I would glad be a piece of crap, *** VIRUS ALERT *** and fu$$ myself if it would bring a dead officer back, but it won't. Any officer who dies in the line of duty is a Hero, but when it is a failure to follow basic police procedures or SOP which contributes to his death that twice tragic.
    This was great, because it's the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. After reading this post I took a moment to reflect on a couple of my routine calls I handled just a few days ago without proper back up. I'm able to monday morning quarter back those calls, because nothing happened, but all the potentials were there for another tragedy. Thanks for the post it was a real eye opener and reminder that nothing is routine in these streets

  8. #18
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    Re: Deadly Mistakes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    Dangerous situations:

    Officer checking on a strange noise while working a detail is shot and killed, He did not call in or request for backup

    One officer shot and one killed (not wearing his vest) at a traffic stop. The backup officer did not keep his eyes on the suspect vehicle to protect the officer in the vehicle making a computer check.

    Several reports of Drug stores being robbed, officer without waiting for backup, checks a suspicious vehicle outside a drug store, he is shot dead

    Officer escorting a prisoner to court stop for unknown reason and without calling for a backup, removes a prisoner from the vehicle, shot and killed, not wearing his vest.

    As a tax payer and a retired Police officer I demand that you as Sheriff of Broward County instill in your subordinates leaders that they are failing to ensure that their officers are complying with basic police procedures, which was a contributing factor in the death and the injury of officers.
    I guess Chris should have stayed behind his desk like most sergeants? At the time of his death the pharmacy robberies were not on anyone's radar. If you’re driving through a parking lot running tags and the car you are blocking in has a "not assigned" tag, you are going to try to get out of your car so that you are not a sitting duck. Especially if you think it’s not occupied. We've all done it. Apparently some of us more than others. I guess he could have sat across the street and used binoculars to run the tags? I guess he could have "called for back up" for a tag that did not match? Please.

    I guess Billings could have called for back-up and stated "I heard a noise" and I need back-up. We all would have thought "you got a gun... go check it out!" That’s the way it is in the real world.

    I'm all about learning from our mistakes but there are inherent dangers in police work and we have to live (or die) with them. Some of us consistently put ourselves in more danger than others we work with. It’s in our blood and it’s why the same few guys are the first ones at every hot call. I hope that long after I'm gone that other "rookies" are racing to the scenes of hot calls and getting out of their cars to check on noises and unassigned tags. I'll pray for them.

    If you want to second guess something, you should second guess going into an armed suspects house after you know that he has made threats and was previously armed. That was a crime and we are still waiting for someone to pay for it instead of getting promoted.

  9. #19
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    Re: deadly mistakes

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous
    Your an @ss hole. you could not wait to come up with this.
    No I could not wait until another officer dies, I am not the enemy here.
    I would glad be a piece of crap, *** VIRUS ALERT *** and fu$$ myself if it would bring a dead officer back, but it won't. Any officer who dies in the line of duty is a Hero, but when it is a failure to follow basic police procedures or SOP which contributes to his death that twice tragic.
    This was great, because it's the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. After reading this post I took a moment to reflect on a couple of my routine calls I handled just a few days ago without proper back up. I'm able to monday morning quarter back those calls, because nothing happened, but all the potentials were there for another tragedy. Thanks for the post it was a real eye opener and reminder that nothing is routine in these streets
    Rookiemistakes : don't pat yurself in the back my friend. we know it is you answering yourself back. you still suck.

  10. #20
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    Re: Deadly Mistakes

    Quote Originally Posted by Pompano
    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiemistakes
    Dangerous situations:

    Officer checking on a strange noise while working a detail is shot and killed, He did not call in or request for backup

    One officer shot and one killed (not wearing his vest) at a traffic stop. The backup officer did not keep his eyes on the suspect vehicle to protect the officer in the vehicle making a computer check.

    Several reports of Drug stores being robbed, officer without waiting for backup, checks a suspicious vehicle outside a drug store, he is shot dead

    Officer escorting a prisoner to court stop for unknown reason and without calling for a backup, removes a prisoner from the vehicle, shot and killed, not wearing his vest.

    As a tax payer and a retired Police officer I demand that you as Sheriff of Broward County instill in your subordinates leaders that they are failing to ensure that their officers are complying with basic police procedures, which was a contributing factor in the death and the injury of officers.
    I guess Chris should have stayed behind his desk like most sergeants? At the time of his death the pharmacy robberies were not on anyone's radar. If you’re driving through a parking lot running tags and the car you are blocking in has a "not assigned" tag, you are going to try to get out of your car so that you are not a sitting duck. Especially if you think it’s not occupied. We've all done it. Apparently some of us more than others. I guess he could have sat across the street and used binoculars to run the tags? I guess he could have "called for back up" for a tag that did not match? Please.

    I guess Billings could have called for back-up and stated "I heard a noise" and I need back-up. We all would have thought "you got a gun... go check it out!" That’s the way it is in the real world.

    I'm all about learning from our mistakes but there are inherent dangers in police work and we have to live (or die) with them. Some of us consistently put ourselves in more danger than others we work with. It’s in our blood and it’s why the same few guys are the first ones at every hot call. I hope that long after I'm gone that other "rookies" are racing to the scenes of hot calls and getting out of their cars to check on noises and unassigned tags. I'll pray for them.

    If you want to second guess something, you should second guess going into an armed suspects house after you know that he has made threats and was previously armed. That was a crime and we are still waiting for someone to pay for it instead of getting promoted.
    Well said ! Thank you !

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