IUPA Contract

I think the main focus should be our pay. BSO has become one of the lowest paid agencies in Broward County. There's no reason for a starting pay to be $42,000 when most are starting in the 50's. Every time I hear of someone getting a new contract, there's always mention of a pay raise, where's BSO's.

Shifts should also be a priority. 4-10's has worked everywhere else. For those of us with weekends off, what better than a three day weekend. This will also keep the rookies happy, even if they have Tues, Wed, and Thurs, it's three days off. Not to mention the increased manpower and safety.

I think the main focus should be our pay. BSO has become one of the lowest paid agencies in Broward County. There's no reason for a starting pay to be $42,000 when most are starting in the 50's. Every time I hear of someone getting a new contract, there's always mention of a pay raise, where's BSO's.

Shifts should also be a priority. 4-10's has worked everywhere else. For those of us with weekends off, what better than a three day weekend. This will also keep the rookies happy, even if they have Tues, Wed, and Thurs, it's three days off. Not to mention the increased manpower and safety.

I would like to see the elimination of deputies being bounced off of their shift and go by senority

If we all worked 4-12 hours shift the senority issue will be a dead one.

VOTE FOR IT 4-12 hours shifts

No 4 twelves rookie, not gonna happen. 4 10's would be a go. Don't tell me 4 10's would cost more, It will still save a lot more than 5 8's, not to mention what would be saved on sick time

What would you like to see in a contract from IUPA. If you had a chance to start from scratch and write an entire new contract, what would you like to see in it?

How about something being done with the "Administrations right to make a decision on a whim for the BETTERMENT OF THE AGENCY", when they cannot come up with any other reason for taking action against an employee, or the "Failed to meet BSO standards" clause. We need to abolish these loop holes and demand explainations of all decisions made by the administration so THEY can be held accountable.

No more free extraditions for the sheriffs office. Where is this a benefit for a deputy who does an exradition now? What happens if you are in another state and something happens? The contract says you are off duty. Well who pays if you are hurt, who suffers if something happens, can you face discipline or charges if something happens while you are "off duty" doing an extradition?

Extraditions were ALWAYS on your own time. And the contract always alleges you are off duty. So, Whats your beef, rookie>>> Did you decide now to just figure all this out? You dont like the terms then dont do it. No one owes you a BENEFIT like an extradition. Go back to your sandbox. Its people like you that give us all a name as whiners. Whine for something of substance...like better medical, better hours, better pay. You can always pick the rookies out of the crowd. They cry only for the *Me* things

No more free extraditions for the sheriffs office. Where is this a benefit for a deputy who does an exradition now? What happens if you are in another state and something happens? The contract says you are off duty. Well who pays if you are hurt, who suffers if something happens, can you face discipline or charges if something happens while you are "off duty" doing an extradition?

Extraditions were ALWAYS on your own time. And the contract always alleges you are off duty. So, Whats your beef, rookie>>> Did you decide now to just figure all this out? You dont like the terms then dont do it. No one owes you a BENEFIT like an extradition. Go back to your sandbox. Its people like you that give us all a name as whiners. Whine for something of substance...like better medical, better hours, better pay. You can always pick the rookies out of the crowd. They cry only for the *Me* things

AMEN BROTHER!!!

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No more free extraditions for the sheriffs office. Where is this a benefit for a deputy who does an exradition now? What happens if you are in another state and something happens? The contract says you are off duty. Well who pays if you are hurt, who suffers if something happens, can you face discipline or charges if something happens while you are "off duty" doing an extradition?

Extraditions were ALWAYS on your own time. And the contract always alleges you are off duty. So, Whats your beef, rookie>>> Did you decide now to just figure all this out? You dont like the terms then dont do it. No one owes you a BENEFIT like an extradition. Go back to your sandbox. Its people like you that give us all a name as whiners. Whine for something of substance...like better medical, better hours, better pay. You can always pick the rookies out of the crowd. They cry only for the *Me* things

AMEN BROTHER!!![/quote:z673eklm]

Not a rookie at all. Over 10 years with BSO. As you look at our current pathetic contract, it is very top heavy towards the management side. If they want to keep that benefit, then we need to use that as a negotiation tool for us. This is called contract negotiations. But in all seriousness, If you believe so strongly in keeping extraditions free then can you answer some questions? What would happen to a deputy who is in Nebraska doing an extradition and he gets hurt trying to stop a prisoner from escaping. Would he be covered under workers comp because he now needs a surgery for a knee injury? Could he possibly face discipline under P&P if he is off duty. These things may sound minor to you but these are the things that need to be spelled out in the contract. Doesen't mamagement always tell us if it's not in writing, it didn't happen. Please give me a decent answer without b.s and we can discuss this. There are other areas in the contract like this too.

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No more free extraditions for the sheriffs office. Where is this a benefit for a deputy who does an exradition now? What happens if you are in another state and something happens? The contract says you are off duty. Well who pays if you are hurt, who suffers if something happens, can you face discipline or charges if something happens while you are "off duty" doing an extradition?

Extraditions were ALWAYS on your own time. And the contract always alleges you are off duty. So, Whats your beef, rookie>>> Did you decide now to just figure all this out? You dont like the terms then dont do it. No one owes you a BENEFIT like an extradition. Go back to your sandbox. Its people like you that give us all a name as whiners. Whine for something of substance...like better medical, better hours, better pay. You can always pick the rookies out of the crowd. They cry only for the *Me* things

AMEN BROTHER!!!

Not a rookie at all. Over 10 years with BSO. As you look at our current pathetic contract, it is very top heavy towards the management side. If they want to keep that benefit, then we need to use that as a negotiation tool for us. This is called contract negotiations. But in all seriousness, If you believe so strongly in keeping extraditions free then can you answer some questions? What would happen to a deputy who is in Nebraska doing an extradition and he gets hurt trying to stop a prisoner from escaping. Would he be covered under workers comp because he now needs a surgery for a knee injury? Could he possibly face discipline under P&P if he is off duty. These things may sound minor to you but these are the things that need to be spelled out in the contract. Doesen't mamagement always tell us if it's not in writing, it didn't happen. Please give me a decent answer without b.s and we can discuss this. There are other areas in the contract like this too.[/quote:37z4hfyx]

As long as guys perform these extraditions for free and without protection, the administration will continue to take advantage of it. Maybe the stupid idiots would stop doing them we can finally sit down down and talk about it with our administration. But until that happens, we will continue to be punching bags.

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No more free extraditions for the sheriffs office. Where is this a benefit for a deputy who does an exradition now? What happens if you are in another state and something happens? The contract says you are off duty. Well who pays if you are hurt, who suffers if something happens, can you face discipline or charges if something happens while you are "off duty" doing an extradition?

Extraditions were ALWAYS on your own time. And the contract always alleges you are off duty. So, Whats your beef, rookie>>> Did you decide now to just figure all this out? You dont like the terms then dont do it. No one owes you a BENEFIT like an extradition. Go back to your sandbox. Its people like you that give us all a name as whiners. Whine for something of substance...like better medical, better hours, better pay. You can always pick the rookies out of the crowd. They cry only for the *Me* things

AMEN BROTHER!!!

Not a rookie at all. Over 10 years with BSO. As you look at our current pathetic contract, it is very top heavy towards the management side. If they want to keep that benefit, then we need to use that as a negotiation tool for us. This is called contract negotiations. But in all seriousness, If you believe so strongly in keeping extraditions free then can you answer some questions? What would happen to a deputy who is in Nebraska doing an extradition and he gets hurt trying to stop a prisoner from escaping. Would he be covered under workers comp because he now needs a surgery for a knee injury? Could he possibly face discipline under P&P if he is off duty. These things may sound minor to you but these are the things that need to be spelled out in the contract. Doesen't mamagement always tell us if it's not in writing, it didn't happen. Please give me a decent answer without b.s and we can discuss this. There are other areas in the contract like this too.[/quote:27vyadsd]He may be off duty, but he is acting in his position as a Law Enforcement Officer, and will be covered under workers comp.

I would like to see the elimination of deputies being bounced off of their shift and go by senority

If we all worked 4-12 hours shift the senority issue will be a dead one.

VOTE FOR IT 4-12 hours shifts

No 4 twelves rookie, not gonna happen. 4 10's would be a go. Don't tell me 4 10's would cost more, It will still save a lot more than 5 8's, not to mention what would be saved on sick time

I guess you were offended by my suggestion???

Transitioning to a 4-12’s shift arrangement is the only sensible course of action in today’s fiscal environment. Not only are 4-12’s the most cost effective use of manpower but it will also negate all issues relating to seniority and days-off.

4-12’s costs less $$$. The agency actually spends more $$$ by going to the 4-10s, where there are still three shifts in a 24 hours period, 6 hours of which the shifts overlap). With 4-12’s you have only two shifts in a 24 hour period instead of three (less $$$$)

If you need an example:

If we need 14 deputies at all times to cover a certain district
----With 4-10’s that’s 14 dep’s each working 10 hours for 3 shifts = 420 man hrs per day
Average dep’s pay $26 an hour = $10,920 per day
----With 4-12’s that’s 14 dep’s each working 12 hours for 2 shifts = 336 man hrs per day
Average dep’s pay $26 an hour = $ 8,736 per day

Then you also have to look at other areas of budget affected by a change in shifts. We still need to employ at least 2 sergeants per shift. On 8-5’s and 4-10’s that means 6 sergeants in a 24 hour period. 4-12s would only require 4 sergeants for the same 24 period. The Sheriff’s Office is saved money.

Why should the average deputy care about all this?

The best benefit is that the seniority issue will be eliminated by going to the 4-12s. With a rotating schedule there is no bidding for days off. The seniority issue will still be "AN ISSUE FOR DAYS OFF" on the 4-10’s.

This will also ensure more job security for all of us deputies. The bottom line in getting and maintaining contract cities is saving money and providing a service that was either equal to or better than what they had before. 4-12s would allow us to do this.

Another example why we need to change:

We have one of our districts in which the city is thinking of contracting with a private company (Navarro Security) because the firm would charge less for police services. THEY ARE REPLACING UNION WORKERS WITH NON-UNION SCAB WITH NO BENEFITS. We need to think about our current and possible future situation in which cities cannot afford their own police department (Due to high wages and pension benefits) or even a contract with the sheriff. If this “Super Exemption Amendment” goes through well we will be screwed because there will be no more extra $$$$ for your 4-10’s. Going to 4-12’s will save us money (Period)………

AND ANOTHER THING: WHAT IS OUR UNION DOING ABOUT THE TOWN REPLACING UNIONIZED DEPUTY SHERIFFS WITH NON-UNION SCABS WITH NO BENEFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!