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Some pretty specific descriptions of what allegedly went down here. Where does that information come from? The PO?
The victim certainly isn't able to tell her side. Nobody actually observed the...

I wouldn't say that. I know a lot of DOC employees and wouldn't consider them to be rude or profane. Even the ones I don't really 'like' are at least somewhat professional in stating their views. But...

If Po's wouldn't steal the COS money there wouldn't be a need for the mail-in process at all.

Let's see. Anybody with half a brain can be a LEO, as evidenced by the sheer volume of stupid cops on the streets. But any medical profession requires a rather long and expensive education. Makes...

Really stupid move. The public abhors clusters of sex offenders. Doesn't matter if that cluster is where they live, where they work or where they report.
And what again is the perceived benefit of...

Georgia's new law will most certainly be tossed completely. Judge Cooper hasn't ruled on all the aspects because they have not been brought before him. Yet.

Nope. The US Supreme Court says its a 'privilege' because Congress has the power to regulate the conditions under which the citizens can 'bear arms'. Were it a true fundamental right as you claim,...

When it comes to law enforcement 'professional courtesy' is a contradiction. When you are sworn to uphold the law, there is no clause or disclaimer in the oath saying "I will cut my fellow officers...

Nope, I wouldn't. But what I find equally repugnant is the prevailing attitude that as long as we concentrate our efforts on sex offender laws and restrictions the world will be all flowers and...

Her abductor was a charismatic smooth-talking far-right religious zealot............Oh wait. that's Geroge Bush. Sorry.

Elizabeth was snatched by a religious whacko. And Elizabeth's Mormon...

How about if you email the parents and siblings of 15 year-old Billy Riddell and his 14 year-old girlfriend Kari? Run down by a drunk driver as they walked along the roadside talking about their...

Right. And like Clark, that bond will be a signature bond. Strange how you can ask a guy with a straight face to sign a paper saying he'll pay $50,000 if he skips the country. How does the Fed...

But apparently the only job you're qualified for. Otherwise you wouldn't still be doing it :P

Absent a court order saying he could work there alone with minors, he should not have been allowed to hold the job.
This is a touchy one. Zero tolerance and strict enforcement of all rules and...

Anybody around here need a tissue :roll:

Not lame. Just scary. Too true for you to be willing to accept them.
The number one cause of the sex offender hysteria is fear of self. In the face of overwhelming evidence that parents themselves...

So have you told him what issues need to be addressed? I'll be happy to pass them on myself along with my own thoughts :D

Considering who is ultimately in charge of the Federal system that's a lot like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?

Heck, all my reports are due at the end of the month, not the beginning :lol:

And I don't doubt that one bit. Seriously. If my comment was too broad then I apologize to the professional officers here.

I hate large metro areas. Any city with more that 10 traffic lights is...

Funny. I would think the drug offenders would flush drugs. Sex offenders would be stashing the 10 year-old in the closet :roll:

There's still one 'big fish' to hook. Note the comment "At the governor's urging..."
If Crosby rolls over on Jeb he'll get the maximum. If he keeps his mouth shut the last thing Dubya will do before...

ROTFLMAO
Maybe if you got off the Internet you could do your job and not need people like me to convince the Legislature that you need to be paid more money.

And who the F--- do you think you are...

Didn't Crosby do that? He played lapdog to the press after Deltona and Carlie Brucia instead of placing the blame squarely on the courts where it belonged. He was an insider, and he sold you out.
Do...

That drivel says nothing about the issue. I didn't see a single word requiring the County to accept responsibility for any person not actually sentenced to an actual incarceration term exceeding one...

Got any possible candidates? Obviously needs to be someone already in the hierarchy, right?

Wrong. How you treat your cases has nothing to do with zero-tolerance. I'm not talking about how you act when they violate, I'm talking about how you act when they don't.
Do you call your cases a...

I rest my case :D
Sorry you can't see sarcasm when it slaps you in the face.

Nope. Did she tell you she didn't?
That's what I thought. You totally avoid the question. What about her rights? Her right to be with her father? Her right to live as close to the school or the park...

Don't be so sure. Sorry you can't see sarcasm when it slaps you in the face. This forum is full of officers claiming they are being given more cases than the law allows and all manner of...

So what happened to your morale recently? Sounds like you and your office are doing great. Why the change? Was it because the Colonel came along?

There's the attitude right there. "Dealing with criminals". You're part of the problem.
I'll easily concede that there are plenty of folks in prison that really need to be there. Ditto probation....

Dead-on. The people want the bad guys locked up, and they want their sons and daughters and husbands and wives that are incarcerated or on supervision given a chance to rehabilitate. And they want...

Where's he????
Heck, where are YOU???
Only 40 cases? I thought that wasn't even possible in today's DOC.

Lewd & Lascivious offenses tend to exceed Sexual Battery offenses 3-2 statewide in...

What about them? Do you think it helps the victim get along better if 2,000 miles away her father the abuser is getting bounced from one park bench to the next?

What of John Doe in Lee County who...

I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with sex offenders with child victims working with children either.
But I don't see any laws banning thieves from living within 1,000 feet of...

Can we trade jobs? I think I like yours :lol:

From the public's point of view there is nothing wrong with a policy that requires LEOs to prove their integrity. As DFF said, you've had a Drug-Free Workplace program in place for years. So what's...

I imagine every job in the Federal system pays more than a comparable State job. That's a given whether you're a PO or a janitor.
I keep thinking of a cop patrolling a beat in Liberty City. Miami...

You're obviously a sex-offender or an officer sympathetic to perverts :roll:

There Guest, I beat you to it. Stole your thunder :D :D

Having never been in one I have no idea what the manpower requirements are to run a prison. But I have a hard time with the fact that Institutions requires 7 times the staff to handle half the number...

I think he was addressing the problems within the prison system, not community corrections. Apparently he felt the COs might react in some manner, like all of them calling in sick at the same time...

:roll: :roll:
Oh yeah, she's a qualified offender that obviously experienced the difficulties of re-entry to society. NOT!
Now if she said she did 8-15 for bank robbery, kidnapping and unlawful...

Can you quote Florida Statute to back that up?

Of course she 'might be'. Heck, your kid could be playing in their room and 'might be' in danger. The 'investigation' that isn't actually mentioned I guess is what also says she 'might' be with this...

Is firearms training and qualification required for all? Or only those who choose to carry?
If it is required no matter what then there needs to be some standardization statewide. If it's only...

So you determine salary level on the volume and difficulty of the work done?
LEOs do less work and easier work.
POs do more work and it's harder.
Therefore POs should be paid more than LEOs....

A 'true pedophile' actually would have a prepubescent victim under 12. Children are 12 and under. Adolescents and teens are 13 and older. There is an additional term, ephebophilia, that applies to...

Precisely my point. Why didn't you?
(Edit. Actually there is no 'Amber Alert' for this girl either according to the website.)
Because somebody decided this particular girl was 'in danger'. If the...

Last DOC Press Release I saw was from three weeks ago.
Perhaps you're talking about news stories and not official Press Releases?
As for that inmate that killed a guard, did he do it with a pistol...

CSM HOPE,
OK. I agree the public needs to hear the 'good' along with the 'bad'. Of course the obvious would be to not have any 'bad' for the media to talk about, but we know that won't happen....

So you have no problem making $10,000 a year less than a LEO since he's a pro and you aren't?
What's with all the whining from POs about how they should get pay equal to a LEO if the LEO is a pro...

Probationers have already been sentenced to the custody of DOC to a term exceeding that timeframe. Whether that custody is on the streets or in prison is between DOC and the courts. The Sheriff has...

A 15 year-old is not a 'child'. Don't believe me? Walk up to one and tell them they are. See what they say.
Hundreds of thousands of teens run away every year. I'm just curious why they think this...

Educate them on what? A serious question. What is it you think the public needs to be told? No whining about buying your own gun. What 'else' does the public need to know? And where does it fit in...

What? A rational thought? How refreshing. Throw in a few limitations like the Romeo & Juliet offenders and it might fly.

Considering that only one case has been heard, I hardly see a trend....

What a bunch of whiners. No wonder DOC has so many problems.

For which you are reimbursed. Sure the amount is lower than it should be, but we'll work on that. Then again, maybe we just push for...

Of course they don't. Too many LEOs, State Attorneys and judges would end up being arrested, not to mention half the rest of the state population.

Dekalb County has over 400 and ALL of them have to move. No word yet on how many also will have to quit their jobs as well.
But there is a good thing in all this. It is expected that of the 11,000...

You have to excuse Guest. He/she/it was upset because the webcam quit working in the middle of a PalTalk session.

In danger of what and on what basis? Does Santiago-Gonzales have a history of violence against women? Don't see hin on the sex offender registry or the DOC website.

Excel I, II and III. Email I, II and III. Getting Out of Debt. Buy and Sell on Ebay. Basic Word Processing. Internet I and II. Creating Certiifcates with Word. Feng Shui and Your Love Life....

And my 'kind' would be??????????
As for excuses, sorry. I'm not the one on here whining about how I can't do my job because I'm underpaid, ignored, get no respect and oh yeah, have to buy my own...

Curious about the pay issue. Those of you who think it's 'low', what do you base that on? National averages? Local averages?
A LEO in Tampa can compare his salary to a comparably-situated LEO in St....

This is a message forum, in case you didn't know it.
Chatting is a real-time interaction that requires two-way communication. Consider chatting talking on the phone and this is more like an...

It isn't DOC's job to 'enforce' the ordinance. But it is up to DOC to be sure the offender complies with his probation conditions. Typically one of those says something like "shall not violate the...

Yep. Last DOC office computer I saw a few months ago was a nice new Dell Pentium 4. No Pride sticker though :)

That's a good one. I can see the headline:
"PO Arrested - Failed To Tell FDLE Offender Was In Jail".

Thing is I imagine an offender on supervision who gets thrown in jail in a VOP has the info...

Yes, recidivism is a factor. It's a factor in all crimes and a fundamental part of any retributive/rehabilitative punishment scheme. But at what point do we decide perhaps our focus should be on...

Probably been dating for at least three years.
Good thing Palm Coast has one of those sex offender buffer zones though. Yolanda might have run off with a registered offender instead of a crack...

Actually they stopped because of available data (or the lack thereof). Note that the study predates the entire registration/notification scheme.
At this point there are mountains of data. Florida...

Well, I know a lot of judges with law degrees and I have NO confidence in them. On the other hand I know judges who spent decades farming and can't even spell mens rea let alone know what it means...

Nope. Don't believe in chatting of any kind. Why do you ask?

I disagree. Don't overestimate the general population. Most of them have no idea what the qualifications are. Personally I would prefer that you be out there in the field knowing what's going on with...

Why not? Do you think POs aren't as qualified?

To mergatroid shiclegruber:
All I can say is that you should not let the social workers make you feel guilty. I'll be the first to holler if there...

Would the moderators please block the IP of the " monster? There are too many important topics to discuss without having to deal with such childish post-bumping tricks.

Didn't know POs punched a time clock. My bad.
For the record; if you're on a salary greater than $455 a week, your job requires specialized training, requires that you exercise judgement and...

Well I'm not a sarcastic poster and I would like to offer some serious thought on the matter.
Thing is, I'm not a PO. I'm just the citizen on the other side paying taxes so DOC can pay you guys and...

Yes it is. If the intention was to limit the restriction to places that are for children it would say so. Something like "places existing for the purpose of children congregating therein".
Granted,...

Actually, a PO enforces probation conditions. Enforcement of local ordinances is the domain of the local police or Sheriff.
Of course it's the POs duty to make sure their cases aren't doing things...

Pardon me for thinking that a DOC employee should act like the professional they claim to be when it comes time to talk about salary and benefits.
If you want to be treated like a professional,...

Considering the sheer volume of offenders that fall into this first-time category (Florida ADDS 70 offenders a WEEK to the registry as first-time offenders) it would seem that the resources spent to...

Alright Guest. Quit starting sex offender-related threads. Guest is tired of it.
Wait. Are you that Guest? Or a different Guest?

What an interesting comment considering the prevailing opinion on this forum that Florida PO's don't want to work a minute past 40 hours, public safety be damned.

Let me guess. Since your cases talk like that you should be able to crawl down to their level and do the same. Right?
Then again, you could be a professional and not talk like that.

You did get one of these before copying and pasting this article, didn't you?
Gannett is very tough on illegal reproductions of its content.

What a bunch of idiots. The frigging place has been there for 13 years. If they were so concerned, why didn't they build the school somewhere else?

I hate to bring it up again and in a different thread, but the people who are so sold on these ordinances totally evaded the issue of Miami Gardens.
What's up, people? All the offenders got kicked...

Let's see. 'Pedophile' is a person with a clinical finding that they are sexually attracted to the under-12 age-group. 'Predator' typically means they have raped or otherwise penetrated one of said...

Nope. But state law says it does extend. State law always trumps local law.
Granted, most landlords are going to ask to have a new written lease signed so the point is somewhat moot. I merely point...

Not even close to true. Some ordinances ahve been written to state that status as a registered offender is all that is needed. Indian River County comes to mind right away. Others have copied the...

Ever read Florida's Landlord-Tenant laws? When the term of a lease expires, that lease remains in effect in perpetuity afterwards until either the tenant vacates or a new written lease is agreed to.

Highly publicized cases that would have still happened if such ordinances had been in place.

I couldn't agree more.
If you've read the 2005 report by the Task Force one thing becomes apparent very quickly. They slam DOC policy and procedure on a regular basis, and most recommendations are...

I wonder why he didn't mention finding in the files where at some later date that law was repealed? Perhaps it never was? Did you know that the Alabama Constitution still guarantees white kids an...

The Legislative session is over. The laws you have now are it for at least 10 months. Run with them. Just don't pull the typical DOC trick of "we don't like that law so we'll make up our own".

Not possible. Why? Because only 15% of offenses are by repeat offenders. I don't know what you call "way down", but when you're starting with such a low figure there isn't a lot of room for...

We'll revisit this thread in November :D

I'm with Merlin. Why do you feel guilty about cuffing the guy?
Will you also feel guilty testifying at his VOP hearing because what you say may send him to prison for 20 years?
I didn't think so....

http://www.local10.com/news/9265263/detail.html

Miami Gardens, thanks to their new 2500-foot rule, is home to a single registered sex offender.
And for the sake of information only, Miami...

Back that up. Show me a verified reduction of stranger/stranger sex offenses with child victims in a Florida city with a 2500-foot rule.

Didn't New York do that and all the POs got mad? Why would they get mad?
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from a survey of your caseload. I think it would be a good thing for...

You won't hear the truth, that I can guarantee.

No. It means they came in at the beginning of the month and gave you a blue piece of paper and you went and saw them at their job two weeks later for two minutes. What they did the other 719 hours in...

Not to sound ignorant, but what's to know?
I'm not demeaning anybody here. But really. What's so hard about throwing a man in a cell, feeding him for 8 years and then letting him go? I know that's...

Yep. If we just take all the criminals and lock them up for various flat lengths of time and dispense with probation. parole, conditional release and all the other terms used to describe supervision,...

This whole thread is premised on Crist being the next Governor. Which he won't be.
Privatizing is the wrong way to go. We don't need 'less' government, we need 'efficient' government. The two are...

They let Tampa POs stay home because of a storm that made landfall 175 miles to the North? How bizarre :shock:

You tell me. From the DOC-CC page:
Correctional Probation Officers provide referrals to resources necessary to assist offenders in successfully completing the conditions of supervision and...

Because he has a brain, something a few here seem to lack.
Did you not see that there has not been a single issue of a sex offender in that city taking advantage of their proximity to a school or...

Really? Show me a city or county, any city or county anywhere in this country that enacted a 2500-foot rule and there has not been a single sex offense since then. For that matter, ask those parents...

So true Darth. But it cuts both ways. The majority of citizens don't care one way or the other. They don't care if there IS a buffer law or if there ISN'T a buffer law. It's not a big deal to them...

Pretty simple question. If the grass is so much greener elsewhere, why do all you whiners stay?
Have some nerve and quit. Today. Now. I dare you. Turn the badge in and walk away. You hate the job...

The reason registration didn't make a significant change in the reoffense rate is because it is already very small. Still is small.
Sorry, but Florida doesn't add 70 offenders a week to the registry...

Obviously you haven't been following the news about what's going on in Miami Gardens, eh?

100% of what?
What is your job exactly? To be able to fill in the correct numbers in a monthly form? Score 100% and say you met all the contact requirements?

Curious if anybody here can tell me...

Oh, but you hide behind the advantage of after the fact. Did you know Couey was going to do it? You're so smart. Why didn't you tell somebody?
So tell us oh wise one. Which one of Florida's many...

I imagine the sex offenders stay out of sight just as much. Except for that TV van parked outside the house 24/7/.
Curious if you actually know the criminal histories of your neighbors up and down...

The risk class is a joke and the OPPAGA report proves it.

Yeah. Then you won't have things like offenders trying 18 different times to report to their PO who evacuated, nobody else would talk to him because they all evacuated as well, and when his PO...

Bulletproof vests? If you need one of those because your cases may kill you then there is a bigger problem than who pays for it.
Guns? Likewise. What do you need one of those for?
Squad cars? Well...

Yeah. You're an idiot :roll:

What? You mean other states have kids? Get outta here :shock:

Actually I bet a lot of sex offenders would be happy to leave and never return. Give them a one-way...

Well, if the tests are flawed and they lose their job over a false-positive that's better than what may have happened to God knows how many of their cases they violated for the same false-positive....

If they have a new qualifying sex offense, yes.

No doubt the DCA will have to decide this one. 948.30 is clearly a statute governing imposition of probation conditons for sexual offenses. Not...

Such machines are indeed nice eye-candy. Of course they require constant care to keep up that appearance that has nothing to do with their functionality.
As for that shiny engine, yeah it's a metal...

Reading the text of that bill I don't see where it applies to your vehicle usage in day-to-day activities. Seems geared more towards actual 'travel', as in overnight stays in other cities, states and...

This whole thread is tooooooo funny :D :D

I can't tell if the posts are by Probation Officers or their cases. The whining and excuses are the same :shock:

Precisely.
If the registered offenders were the ones who are a danger and are responsible for all the crimes, there wouldn't be all those new cases. Florida's sex offender registry grows by a range...

Sorry to hear that. And the other victimizations you spoke of.
Thing is, you failed to tell how many were by registered sex offenders living in your neighborhood near those schools. Because that's...

Odds are such an offender is going to violate no matter how hard or easy you make it. I'm not too worried about the offender who is spending his days looking for loopholes. He'll get busted one way...

An excellent series of citations. Sadly, most of the cases were common-sense and the VOP never should have been issued. This shows what happens when a PO "thinks like that" instead of simply obeying...

Unfortunately if I take too long in responding, this forum logs me out and submits my posts as "Guest". So some posts are mine.
Your approach seems to be sensible, and is what I have been told by...

OK. That's a start. I agree that many times an offender may know in advance that a minor will be at a particular location, especially friends and relatives. What about public places? Work? The...

Interesting. You're implying that 100% of offenders are druggies? Why is that? Perhaps 100% of LEOs are alcoholics, since I know more than a few who are?
Stereotypes are dangerous. And testing an...

Simple.
Suppose I told you that you were specifically prohibited from ever flabagerating. Could you do it? Of course not. You don't even know what it is. Hence the need for a definition.
Does...

No it doesn't, and don't let anybody tell you different. Read it again. The mandatory requirement applies only to new sex offenses after that date.
That's not to say the Court can't impose the...

Well, the Council was called to settle various differences of opinion amongst Bishops from around the world following Constantine's final victory over Licinius which ended Christiam persecution. The...

In the case of probation, allegedly because the court determined that the offender had a fair chance of getting his act together. Reality is that probation is granted because there isn't enough...

Sorry if I seem to be posting a lot early here. But Florida has problems and so does DOC. I want to fix it. For you, the offenders and the public.
Look at it this way. Line officers don't want...

No wonder things are so screwed up. They can't even give you guys a raise without making it complicated :roll:

Well you have a contradiction of sorts but I think I understand. The system properly identified the Max Risk cases and the evidence is in the report. They committed 71% of the new crimes.
The system...

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So you think they aren't? Can you clarify that further?
How many sex offender cases do you have?
How many sex offender cases have you violated in the past year for a new sex crime?
New crime of...

But you would for any other offender? No problem finding a place for a drug dealer to live because even if he does reoffend and get a 10 year-old at the school down the street hooked on heroin, the...

Who gets to decide what is 'minor'?
Curious how you feel about zero-tolerance for your cases. Same thing.

Really? In corporate America if you're lower or mid-level, hard work will get you one...

Interesting statement. Just why is it you think every officer who graduates from West Point will make General before they do like McDonough and decide to get out?
What military experience did you...

The other 10% no doubt being the LEOs who for whatever reason gave in to the temptation and broke the law themselves? That was all because of the enormous pressures of the job and they are welcome to...

Exactly. But use a valid method to assign risk based on verifiable data regarding propensity to reoffend. That's what it's about, isn't it? Not so much what the actual crime was, but whether or not...

Well you could start with a valid peer-reviewed system already tested and proved in another state. But Florida is too proud to use something another state already uses. The current system is about as...