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One more thing to think about in today's sue happy society...

You CAN be sued for kicking (or entering with a key) someone's door in and entering their home without probable cause.

You CANNOT...

I was under the impression that shooting anything was an action of last resort.

His father is a good man. He just got in a good deal of trouble because he always spoke his mind.

Now honestly, how many of us have never thought that when talking to a complainant?

how much you want to bet an officer ends up having to babysit that trash heap 24/7...just like Sweetbay

Bill Wilson was working on a way to handle those requests, try contacting him

What the hell are they thinking?

http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/ ... urg-v.html

Davis wants it, but has way too many skeletons in his closet. I say Greco should move over to this side of the bay and fix this town.

Tokely didn't do a damn thing down there....or anywhere else for that matter

cut and pasted, seen it all before

I do not believe so

You might be a St Pete cop if.......you are counseled about having a confederate flag bumper sticker on your personal vehicle.

job security

Even if the Guards are charged federally, the jury will still be composed of North Floridians, who's economy is strongly dependent upon the prison system. A repeat not guilty verdict is likely.

Outsourcing is what is going to kill this country. We need to close our borders to no essential trade and require that American companies hire Americans.

I've talked with Wengay a number of times. I think he's worth voting for. We can't really sink lower than that (although thats what I thought when Stephens was chief...boy was I wrong there).

How about "another one bites the dust"

I probably don't know anyone there now...

I can tell you that the City will never allow that to happen, and I don't believe the S.O. has the resources to handle the city if it did. I'll admit a couple of squads of deputies were more...

How about a T-shirt with Cornbread's picture on it with "MLK Parade" on the top and "Just good wholesome fun" on the bottom. Can you get them done before the parade on the 15th?

I am telling you guys, the best bet is to make a push to do away with the Chief position and have an elected police commissioner...it will break the cycle of inhouse promotions.

You gotta give Chucky some credit, he lasted a long time as Chief...longer than any other white man in recent history....Stephens doesn't count, I don't consider that guy a man.

Chucky wasn't too concerned because it was a Northside address. You can bet if this happened in Midtown, he would have unglued his fat arse from his chair and gone down to the scene. He would have...

Let's mix things up a bit this year at the ole' parade, and give the press a good story about the true nature of Midtown. When the parade is halfway through, everyone who is on a parade point snag...

It's a wonder that there are not more stress-related absences around here. It would be interesting to see what would happen if people suddenly started calling in sick due to stress. When management...

I don't think every minority promotion gets smeared as an affirmative action promotion, but when they promote someone and then hide them in a special unit or admin position, or make up a new...

I say keep it up. Someone has to teach these clowns the proper priorities. They allow rampant crime to flourish southside, yet put all kind of effort into harrassing a guy because his hedge is too...

Ah, you must be the guy off of 22nd with the huge banner accross his hedge. I'll let you in on a little secret. The mayor is real touchy about his home, he had a fit that some of the police planned...

Anoles are not lizards? That's like saying a bass is not a fish, its a bass. Anoles are a type of lizard. And by the way, the other anoles are not green anoles, they are Carolina Anoles, and...

Wow, almost 300 views and only 2 votes (one of which was mine). A prime example of why nothing changes around here...no one wants to participate.

Actuall the question Equal for all asked was very valid. If the S.O does not offer benefits to unmarried heterosexual couples, when they do offer them to homosexuals, they are discriminating without...

That's the whole idea--if you make it an elected position, a good chief who does what needs to be done and says what needs to be said can't get booted from office. And anyone in office will have to...

"what happens when some boob gets elected?"

You think we have competent leadership now? Obviously you don't work at SPPD. I'd take some random dude off the street before the likes of Go Davis or...

Just curious to people's thoughts about a possibility of changing things around here. What if we were able to push through an amendment to the City Charter, doing away with the position of Chief of...

Don't worry, it's just lip service to the uhuru/NAACP crowd. They will be cleared.

Did I miss something? I saw an article is the Times in which Christ and Baker were patting each other on the back. Reading between the lines it looked like Baker would be appointed to head the...

Actually, it would be a nice idea if the PBA would set up a fund to cover all officers' pay during a suspension period for any action that wasn't a crime. After all, what are we getting for our...

"to stand there and shoot at the car is not safe" says Proffitt.

Well ok then, lets all be safe.

1. No more traffic stops, ever. It's just not safe.

2. Request a backup before going to...

Actually, if the only reason you have a the PBA is for the legal defense, it is a bad investment. You'd be far better off putting the union dues in a savings account, and if you never get into a...

According to John Kerry, only those who couldn't make it in college join the military.

Hopefully Crist has more brains than to hire Rouson for anything, other than shining shoes. Why he is not serving time for tax fraud is beyond me. I know if I cheated uncle sam out of 40k I would...

Until the democrats drop the fringe elements from their platform such as gay marriage, civil rights (which really means screwing over whites with affirmative action programs), voting rights for...

Well. I guess we now know where her missing Glock went. Wonderful.

Come on now, the Irish are so bad, that you can make ethnic slurs about them and still keep your job...the chief has said so....oh wait, that was Italians....but I am sure as long as they aren't...

I remember when that liar Darrell Stephens had the gall to tell the public that there were 90 officers working the streets on evening shift.

I normally don't pick fights here, but you are about F.U.C.K.I.N.G. stupid

St. Pete made the list as one of the most dangerous cities to live in, number 323 out of 371 (larger the number, the more dangerous). Check it out

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Oct30/ ......

Paradise? Someone has been smokin' some serious crack.

This board's editing software sucks, it edited out the word "A-S-I-A-N-S," maybe it will accept the old word for them "oriental".

He has run, where have you been?

Blacks could learn a good lesson from the Asians....they come here not evening knowing how to speak the language, and then they bust their butts to make a future for themselves. You don't see them...

"And what about whites? Because they are the perpetrators of racism and are not its victims, they have the dubious honor of observing and, more often than not, creating elaborate denials for this...

Yeah right, Cornbread rose through the ranks because he is such a capable, intelligent leader.

AF became a detective due to his hard work, devotion, and outstanding ethics.

A certain K9 officer...

You greatly overestimate the power of Habeas Corpus, which, by the way, is not an absolute right, and it has been suspended before...Lincoln did it.

Even a complete abolition of HC will not have...

It's probably a little known fact (among the public anyway) that there are racial quotas in the districts...I remember when a black wanted to switch districts with a white, and was told no, he could...

Violent felons as in felons that are violent

I feel a little better after reading this:

Irvin said the family had not seen Freeland's body, which was picked up from the morgue Thursday, because it was so badly mangled by the bullets.
...

Shooting Suspect’s Family Hires Lawyer
The family of the man shot 68 times by a SWAT team in Polk County has hired a lawyer.

Law enforcement fired a total of 110 rounds at Angelo Freeman after...

"I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had," Judd said. "We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."

Sherriff Grady...

I could be wrong, as I am not a financial planner, but here is how I calculate the benefit, as if I were retiring today:

top pay = $27.75

overtime = $41.62 hr

41.62 x 59 = $2,455.58
...

I will gladly give the city 7% of my overtime if I get to collect it later in my pension payments. Yes, I know it is only calculated for your last three years, but the payments go on for the rest of...

The hell with the taser...use your glock if someone is about to attack you. All you have to say is "I was afraid he was going to try to take my gun from me and kill me." Too bad we couldn't use the...

We will never-ever-ever have something like that here. First, the staff denies there is a crime problem to begin with...second...why do you need an armored personnel carrier when your staffing is so...

I remember the cartoons that Borges used to do...that guy had talent!

Anyone still have a copy of the Tyron Lewis cartoon they can post (not Borges's work), that'll get us in the paper again!

Well, if WE are responsible for keeping track of our pay, then the thing to do is constantly complain that we were underpaid and make them prove that the check is right....sooner or later they will...

Never ceases to amaze me how they queer the deal by making good people wait forever, making them wonder where they are, or if they are still, in the hiring process.

There is no reason why this...

The person that started this post needs to watch the press conference on the other thread that was just posted.

Could you imagine a press conference like that here at SPPD?

Nah.....it takes balls to give a statement like that.

Master-Blaster runs Barter-town!

I guess the good ole' city hall in the mall....Tyrone Square

If you read that newspaper article a few months back, we have no choice. Go promised to provide a free officer to Sweetbay if they would open a store there. The city is now contractually obligated...

So much for Mr Smith, he ain't going to Washington....not even Tallahassee

I know there has been some discussions with other departments and a plea for them "not to hire our officers away from us." I would not be suprised if some of us were treated as having second-in-line...

The problem with social service referrals is, in order to be effective, the person referred must want the service. You can't force someone to reform, the must want it. I am all for social service...

Saw a great bumper sticker on a car today:


George W. Bush
is saving your ass
whether you like it or not![/b]

The latest forecast from www.noaa.gov has Ernesto (why the hispanic name--racist?) coming our way. It would be worth the misery to see the falling out that would occur from the lack of preparedness...

Good thing no one caught the little *******s that were throwing the bricks...we might have had to HANDCUFF them!!

I'd love to see one of those punks get shot just before they hurled a brick. It'd...

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Before wasting money on these segways, why don't we just bring back walking assignments? There are a lot of officers who could stand to lose a few pounds (ok, I admit I could afford to skip a few...

You are correct, hadn't read it in awhile.....bricks and sticks sounds better though

The flaw in your logic is your premise that the Democrats don't pander to the rich. The rich control whichever party is in power. Sure, they are giving to the Republicans now, but that is only...

What do you expect from a Department that purchased the old PI system...what a headache that was...downloading from those piece of crap Tandy 102's with the awesome 64k of memory or so.

Crist has been a solid friend of law enforcement, he's got my vote.

The Democratic party has such a stench to it now, I wouldn't vote for one even if I knew him personally as an alright guy.

I still have my riot t-shirt:

Bricks and sticks in '96
South St. Petersburg

Mike Brown was selling them for $10, and they were quickly banned from the department

"Police said Calloway was a career criminal with numerous burglary and cocaine charges on his record."

The city is safer now than it was the day before...no thanks to Chucky.

Hey, we were shortchanged....what about our November riot? We had two...courtesy of America's second angriest city.

I think we should start writing every call...make a mountain out of a molehile. Lets jam up everything and make a ton of money on overtime. They can burn you for NRing a call, but they can't do...

Something freaky is going on with these posts, the computer is taking out whole words and replacing them with a "."

I got a great Simms story, but unfortunately since there was only three of us there to see what happend, I would compromise my identity if I told it. Alas...

Who knows, maybe next election we will get a strong mayor who will clean house, you never know. Baker can't run again, Davis is unelectable, and no one else is standing out right now. If we can get...

We have some upper management that have messed around with hookers. If your friend is a minority, it wouldn't be cause to hold him back at all.

If its the ruling that I am thinking of, it is not applicable to the speculative general order. The Supreme Court ruled that you don't have first amendment protections in your official capacity,...

Its got to be a rumor, such a general order wouldn't be enforcable, and would probably result in a lawsuit.

I will be the first to admit that our agency has a boatload of problems and is probably beyond fixing. That being said, here's some food for thought.

If you have some time in, you are probably...

In Belleair police arrest a daughter of a politically connected family and the mayor throws a fit saying the police were wrong. Belleair's acting chief stands up for his people and says he doesn't...

Some of us have too much time in to start all over again. We're trapped!

Those who have "tried to make a positive change" were railroaded right out of a job. Believe me, there are enough backstabbers and do-boys around this place to ensure that a thorn in the...

At least they wound up in a cemetary, that way they didn't have to transport the bodies too far...

I seriously worry about the city going bankrupt and defaulting on our pensions, it is a very real possibility...

If they die in an out-of-city hospital, does it still count as a st pete homicide?

There you go again comparing our city to other cities. Don't you know that you can't compare St. Petersburg to other cities...

We had an officer who was either fired or told to resign for stealing a credit card off of a prisoner and using it to buy gas. He was then rehired as a counselor over at James Park. Can you guess...

If you really want to know, request the documents. I am not positive, but there is probably a written report from the polygraph operator.

I haven't been paying attention, have they decided on a pay increase yet for the upciming year? I am sure it is no where near 9%, probably about a third of that...

Hey MOD 1, I have dibs on that avatar...

If the dispatcher is aiding and abetting, there is a simple way to call attention to it. Simply ask "I'm sorry radio, can you X9..am I primary or backup on that 23 zone call?"

oops, please excuse my insensitivity, I should have said "significant other" instead of "wife." St. Pete is a gay pride friendly city.

and who cares how many people commute here? Generally people are on their best behavior at work, the problems start when they get home and start drinking and beating the wife.

We have nobody to blame for ourselves. We bust our ass running from call to call instead of doing things the safe way. I don't know how many times I have said this to new guys, but they never...

Our IA refuses to take action against false reporters. They are afraid it might have a chilling effect on complaints...

Those who have been around a while remember this quote:

"We have 90 officers working during evening shift."

D. Stephens

Donnie be doing a top notch job weed'n out the competition.

What happened, didn't hear about it

I am actually surprised that there has never been a general order prohibiting officers from carrying cameras/camcorders while on duty, especially in light of what Cinamin (or however you spell his...

Not that I think the SO deputies are any better than our guys, but I agree that having all the schools worked by one agency makes sense. It does promote uniformity of policy, keeps us from having to...

It was the pinellas side of the howard franklin...Trooper Moseman or somthing like that.

A friend of mine got tagged by FHP the other day for speeding. I looked at the ticket and there is absolutely no indication of how the speed was measured. She got hit right after getting off the...

Nice of the Sheriff to totally screw over her retirement, something that will affect her for the rest of her life, for something that happened 15 years ago. Hope she appeals it.

You guys obviously need to vist the new community outreach center that Omali opened up in the white neighborhood.

Don't forget to bring your wallet and make a donation...

Cornbread looks lost...

Hey Gordon, the crimescene is behind you, turn around!

Good thing he has Mcdonald to show him around now!


I still remember what Curtsinger said when Gordon got...

The recent opinion by the US Supreme Court really doesn't affect us a whole lot. While we may not be able to say anything we want in a police report, a UCR report isn't the place to do...

I can hear Mod30 getting ready to kill the preceding post any minute now...


But hey Mod, please answer the question...what was wrong with the pie posts?

How much you wanna bet Go gets the city to pick up the tab for the event, after all, conventions bring in business for all the local establishments (in this case, the dopers). We may even be asked...

Can't wait for the off-duty job to be posted for that one....instant BI, maybe a trip to the third floor!

This is why I spend $800 a month to send my kid to private school, so she doesn't have to be associated with trash like that.

My God, what idiot would even think of doing a 10-50 on a marked police car? I remember many years ago I stopped an SO undercover car at Maximo doing donuts (not eating them) in the middle of the...

The problem is the white vote in St. Petersburg is split, so midtown is the swing vote that decides the city elections. What Baker apparently doesn't understand is that the drug-dealing community...

I will be leaving in about a month's time, give or take.

I used to check this board daily, now it's getting to the point where its only worth checking once a week. Where did everyone go?

OK, I was half-right. Yes, it applies to police departments, but so long as the relative is never promoted, its ok to assume the role of chief. Kind of sucks for the relative.

CEO 90-62 --...

A police department is a city agency. Why do you think the statute specifically exempts VOLUNTEER police officers....because it applies to officers that are employees.

112.3135 Restriction on employment of relatives.--

(1) In this section, unless the context otherwise requires:

(a) "Agency" means:

1. A state agency, except an institution under the...

Luke is going to have some problems if he's going to be the next chief. You can't be a chief of a department in which you have relatives on, its against state law.

If you are an african-american, a brown-noser, and incompetent--all things a certain recruiter is, then yes, you can make Sgt in 4 years.

If you are hard working, white, and principled, look...

Anyone writing a Memo suggesting such a thing would be labeled a trouble maker, as it would be obvious that the person was trying to create public records to embarrass the brass. There was once a...

Ever see him late in the afternoon? He looks like he is about to fall asleep half the time. To be perfectly honest, I'd rather have Chief Wiggim as my boss.

We cut CALEA a check for about $30,000.00 so we can say we are accredited. CALEA isn't going to say no to that kind of money unless our paperwork is way out of whack. I have helped to prepare for...

When you see an officer conducting a traffic stop, [or with a suspect in handcuffs] it is generally not a good idea to approach him/her and ask for directions. If you do, dont expect the officer to...

Hey, the french were victorious when they fought the french revolution...oh wait, that's right, their opponents were french too...

Vice really doesn't need to take their cars home either. Personally, if I were dealing with some of those dopers, I wouldn't want to take the chance of one of them seeing the car near my home.

If the shoe fits...

Maybe he's in France to get some pointers on how to riot--I hear the french are good at that (even though they are a bunch of cowards).

There used to be a Tampa Bay area magazine called "The Informer" that focused on local crime issues. I don't know if it is still in print or not, haven't seen one in years. There just isn't enough...

Here are the answers to your questions:

1. SPPD is run by a staff that simply does not care about its people. It utilizes the "fear model" management style. The theory is that if everyone is...

I second that--no imposters.

As for anonymous posting, just set up a throwaway yahoo email account, and there's absolutely no difference in your level of privacy--not that they can subpeona your...

I came on board in 1990, and back then you had to compete with a bunch of people in order to snag a spot on the department, and the city didn't have to do anything to get applicants, hell, they could...

I pulled this from Stpete.org:

The Civilian Police Review and Community Relations Division serves as a liaison and provides administrative support to the Civilian Police Review Committee. The...

Why even accept awards from a racist organization like the NAACP? They play the race card every time a white officer shoots a black criminal--every time! We might as well start accepting awards...