What is the real issue here?

I ask you, what is the real issue behind all the posts on this board? Is it really a desire to give progress to a community or is it self fulfillment? Why are there veiled insinuations and never any hard facts that can be corroborated? Can there be an ulterior motive behind all this? Are we supposed to believe that communities of larger cities have the answer to crime here in Cherokee County?

We are led to believe that the law enforcement in Cherokee County especially at the Sheriff’s Department is over paid, under trained, over staffed, lazy maniacal, half-wits who couldn’t perform even the simplest functions of law enforcement.

First, let’s look at the pay issue: How many people would try to feed a family and keep a house with pay that amounts to living just above the poverty level. One of the authors of posts insinuates that the officers receive more than adequate pay, however look at the area some of these authors come from and the retirements they are drawing and you will find they would not have worked for these kind of wages. I am sure the cost of living issue will arise on this one but considering how the cost of living has risen in this area I don’t see how that will factor in, but chime in if you feel like it.

Second look at the training issue. Several of the officers are college graduates, as well as numerous others are attending higher education institutions. Further, several of the officers have achieved advanced certifications and continue to seek additional ones. I ask you this, why do these officers continue to gain advanced education when no expectation of higher pay is involved? Maybe, it is because they truly care about the community and wish to provide better service. True that a reward of higher compensation would be great but pray tell where the funding would come from since many of you that post would make a public outcry over higher property or sales taxes.

Third, staffing issues are not uncommon in large departments and in all of the departments that service Cherokee County you can find that any one of them would love to have more officers. Crime has increased in Cherokee County but not because the dedicated officers are not trying to serve their community. Some times the problem of crime is more over whelming that a few dedicated individuals can conquer.

Crime and war are not issues that involve only those who choose to fight it. Like soldiers, law enforcement officers depend not only on what they bring to the table such as honesty and integrity and a desire to make a difference. Law enforcement officers like soldiers depend on the community to become involved. They must be supported by those they serve.

I ask the moral majority and persistent posters, how are you making things better for those that serve. Are you finding more money for the officers that would relieve some of the burdens of daily life? Are you joining the fight against crime by taking time to form community watches that are the extra eyes and ears of law enforcement? Are you lobbying in the State legislature to gain laws that help us fight the drug pushers that cause death, laws that the district attorney is willing to prosecute? I venture to say not.

What I have seen is that the attacks are more pointed to embarrass, harass, and maybe even alarm one or a few. The timing is coincidental to other events and other threats from disgruntled individuals. Nothing in any of the “fear factor posts” would tend to bring about change. All I have seen is that the “fear factor posts” keep everyone off guard and in some ways accomplish what the poster wants and that is fear of “who” he or she really is and what juicy details they may or may not know.

I extend this offer to the “purveyors of truth” you have assumed many times who I am or who I may be. If you have the “goods” in hand and feel that they need to be sent forward bring them forward and the truth will be sought. My Bible, God’s holy Word, tells me that truth will set us free. I serve a higher power than man. But, if you have nothing of substance and can not show where criminal acts are then now is the time to let it go and seek more appropriate ways of “helping law enforcement” and the community.


I am sure that this will bring about more pointed attacks but I truly hope that we can seek the truth and expose evil. The ball is in your court. God Bless :D

More later, but in short all you posted means nothing because most if not all your deputies lack, ethics, sound moral values, integrity, etc, etc... A college degree and all their applied certificates does not buy you the character a law enforcement officer must possess. What the posters have been saying here for a long time is that this place is rotten from the top down. You have a sheriff who is a liar, like some of his deputies. You have a sheriff who has no ethics, or righteous morals. You are either one of those deputies enjoying the free ride, or a police groupie as they call them defending them. Check your surrounding counties, they do not pay as much as here. This whole county is always in the newspaper for having secretive shady close door deals. This is your county newspaper reporting on this unethical behavior, not LEOAFFAIRS. The 911 director position is one good example. The chief of Murphy that was removed with NO reason another example. These positions were influenced by the sheriff.

You have deputies that can not hold a civilian position and will get hired by the sheriff.

Do not confuse education with intelligence, or ethics!

OK, I don't know who posted this asking to bring forward the goods although I do have an idea. So let me ask this before I get upset and "show you the money". Who are you? If this is sheriff Lovin just let me know its you. I would have thought you would not try to provoke or challenge anyone so you could be a free man for as long as possible. Just let me know ..

Just a simple man with a simple plan. Show me the money...

As for the positions that were mentioned above I believe "sour grapes" applied for those positions and was not hired. :idea:

Again, show the goods. There are far fewer unethical folks than you and your group try to slander us into believing. But again that is all free speech right??

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

Just a simple man with a simple plan. Show me the money...

As for the positions that were mentioned above I believe "sour grapes" applied for those positions and was not hired. :idea:

Again, show the goods. There are far fewer unethical folks than you and your group try to slander us into believing. But again that is all free speech right??

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?????? What the hell is all this rubbish!

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Originally Posted by Simple Man

Just a simple man with a simple plan. Show me the money...

As for the positions that were mentioned above I believe "sour grapes" applied for those positions and was not hired. :idea:

Again, show the goods. There are far fewer unethical folks than you and your group try to slander us into believing. But again that is all free speech right??

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What is this idiot talking about? Does he not read the newspaper? Sour grapes, yeah right! Go smoke some more crack!

I ask you, what is the real issue behind all the posts on this board? Is it really a desire to give progress to a community or is it self fulfillment? (NO, its exposure of truth.) Why are there veiled insinuations and never any hard facts that can be corroborated? (Many hard facts have been posted, but you fail to read them, or respond to them.) Can there be an ulterior motive behind all this? (NO, exposure is the mission.) Are we supposed to believe that communities of larger cities have the answer to crime here in Cherokee County? (NO, but those whom have worked in larger communities have a better understanding of what is headed our way if we do not make an attempt to fix things today. People here are clueless as to what is happening here. When things get really bad here, it will then be to late. This documentation and debate will be historical proof that bad things could have been avoided if people were not so resistant to change.)

We are led to believe that the law enforcement in Cherokee County especially at the Sheriff’s Department is over paid, under trained, over staffed, lazy maniacal, half-wits who couldn’t perform even the simplest functions of law enforcement. (Half true, yes there are several that waste more valuable time not performing their duties, as they should. You have no idea what goes on within this department. Gross miss management throughout the department and over spending of funds. Reason, the wrong people are in place that can affect change in a better way. There is too much nepotism.)

First, let’s look at the pay issue: How many people would try to feed a family and keep a house with pay that amounts to living just above the poverty level. (Have you checked what the minimum wage is lately? Then check what a deputy earns, it’s nowhere near the poverty level. These deputies are seen eating at the Mexican restaurants with their family everyday of the week, or other restaurants. Do you think that people near the poverty level can afford this? Granted this whole county has an economic problem, but people need to face reality and adjust their lives to reasonable spending. Yes, we all would like a large screen TV and a nice car, but not all of us can afford that. Although you do see deputies driving brand new personal vehicles, and purchasing more property each day. It’s been alleged that the sheriff since he took office has acquired more real estate property than ever before when he was a road officer. Why is this happening, and in what names are the properties being purchased? Is anyone looking into these allegations?) One of the authors of posts insinuates that the officers receive more than adequate pay, however look at the area some of these authors come from and the retirements they are drawing and you will find they would not have worked for these kind of wages. (First, you make the assumption that the authors come from a more prevalent area, not so. While the minimum wage has not increased around here and Lowes only starts you $8.00 an hr., you have deputies being paid from $14.00-20.00 an hr. That is ridiculous considering what they do.) I am sure the cost of living issue will arise on this one but considering how the cost of living has risen in this area I don’t see how that will factor in, but chime in if you feel like it.

Second look at the training issue. Several of the officers are college graduates, as well as numerous others are attending higher education institutions. (This does not matter if you have NO ethics, or integrity.) Further, several of the officers have achieved advanced certifications and continue to seek additional ones. (SO what, a piece of paper they hand out for attending class, does that build moral character some how?) I ask you this, why do these officers continue to gain advanced education when no expectation of higher pay is involved? (Maybe because they use this place as a stepping stone to build their paper resume and go elsewhere later. Many have left here already. I ask this, why if some of these educated officer are so good, are they here? Why did they leave from where they came from and why are they not accepted to other employment when they apply?) Maybe, it is because they truly care about the community and wish to provide better service. True that a reward of higher compensation would be great but pray tell where the funding would come from since many of you that post would make a public outcry over higher property or sales taxes. (Give me a break, blah blah…. There are several methods that can infuse money into this department without having to raise more taxes. Like it was said above, miss management of the current funds is the problem. Do we need a helicopter for example? Do we need so many gas sucking SUV’s. Do we need to send officers for training that is unrealistic for our needs, or because some officer believe it’s cool training and something to add to their resumes. The sheriff purchased many weapons that have tuned out to be garbage, when in fact he could have acquired sufficient arms for free from state government surplus. This is what we are talking about, these are the hard facts, but you will not break it down like we do and respond.)

Third, staffing issues are not uncommon in large departments and in all of the departments that service Cherokee County you can find that any one of them would love to have more officers. Crime has increased in Cherokee County but not because the dedicated officers are not trying to serve their community. (WRONG! You see, you are clueless. The sheriff has doubled his manpower since he took office and almost doubled their pay. Today there are still the bare minimums of 2-3 officers on the road at any given time, which has not changed. Why, because everyone has to be part of some specialized unit, or other ridiculous entity. They watch too much television and think they must emulate them in order to improve operations here. What needs to occur is place half the manpower back on the streets. The same officers can work at their special assignments while assigned to street patrol, during the slow hours. Its all management of the resources, not rocket science.) Some times the problem of crime is more over whelming that a few dedicated individuals can conquer. (YEAH right.)

Crime and war are not issues that involve only those who choose to fight it. Like soldiers, law enforcement officers depend not only on what they bring to the table such as honesty and integrity and a desire to make a difference. Law enforcement officers like soldiers depend on the community to become involved. They must be supported by those they serve. (They are supported, but they are not being lead correctly. We are not saying these are all bad, or evil people working here. What is being said here is that their leader is an immoral, unethical person, who lacks discipline, integrity and management skills. Therefore, the troops suffer as a consequence. No one will speak out because they will be terminated. These are hard facts! The question is why is this man leading this department and no one else has run against him? Apathy is the reason; no one cares anymore about his or her community. The people elected to office are a mere reflection of the people in the community. It’s really that simple. This sheriff has lied to many people in our community and he has been allowed to get away with it. What does that say about our community?)

I ask the moral majority and persistent posters, how are you making things better for those that serve. Are you finding more money for the officers that would relieve some of the burdens of daily life? Are you joining the fight against crime by taking time to form community watches that are the extra eyes and ears of law enforcement? (Many people in this community have extended their gracious help and offered assistance in specialized training and others forms of assistance, but the sheriff has refused it. This sheriff dismissed all the prior retired officers that were engaged with the former sheriff, why? This Sheriff is a VERY insecure person, and he does not want much to leak out. He runs his department like dictatorship and all activities are censored and micromanaged.) Are you lobbying in the State legislature to gain laws that help us fight the drug pushers that cause death, laws that the district attorney is willing to prosecute? (Are you saying our prosecutors’ will NOT prosecutes cases? Maybe they are receiving poorly executed cases. You cannot prosecute a case that has a poor chance for success.) I venture to say not.

What I have seen is that the attacks are more pointed to embarrass, harass, and maybe even alarm one or a few. I do not think so. The attacks here have been mostly at the people whom have alerted others of unethical conduct within county government. The timing is coincidental to other events and other threats from disgruntled individuals. What are you talking about? Nothing in any of the “fear factor posts” would tend to bring about change. What fear factor posts? All I have seen is that the “fear factor posts” keep everyone off guard and in some ways accomplish what the poster wants and that is fear of “who” he or she really is and what juicy details they may or may not know. (I’m perplexed by your assessment of this. It’s apparent that you only want nice things said about this place. The reality is there is good, bad and ugly.)

I extend this offer to the “purveyors of truth” you have assumed many times who I am or who I may be. If you have the “goods” in hand and feel that they need to be sent forward bring them forward and the truth will be sought. My Bible, God’s holy Word, tells me that truth will set us free. I serve a higher power than man. But, if you have nothing of substance and cannot show where criminal acts are then now is the time to let it go and seek more appropriate ways of “helping law enforcement” and the community. (I agree, but why do you not by example tell everyone who you are? If you have God on your side and do not fear anyone, or anything, why do you hide behind a computer? Furthermore, you are always posting at all hours of the day and night, which tells me you have no life. I sure hope you are not a deputy wasting our tax dollars. Criminal acts will not be posted here, but will be forwarded to the proper authorities. I challenge you to tell us who you are. I suspect you will not because you know that the likelihood that a corruption scandal in the future is evident and you do not want to be associated with it, or have said to have supported this leader. If you truly have convictions in defending this man and feel these posts are attacks, or some conspiracy attempt to embarrass, humiliate, etc., then tell us who you are?)


I am sure that this will bring about more pointed attacks but I truly hope that we can seek the truth and expose evil. The ball is in your court. God Bless Very Happy. (What evil? You are the one hiding and posting and saying he is the one who walks with the Lord, etc..)

(We are exposing evil, and therefore must have anonymity because of retaliation. You have no reason to hide, so why do you?)

(Conclusion, the sheriff and his chief deputy are only attempting to acquire a second retirement with the next election. It’s all about money, not protecting and serving. It’s all about me, me, me, and me!)

(Have the moral conviction and tell us who you are and take that chance that your leader will protect you. I bet you will not reveal who you are, because you are the one with the ulterior motives.)

1. Facts – “a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. Dictionary.com” – Nothing ever presented has been upheld by a factual representation merely the ideals of the presenter. The presenter wants the reader to believe because he or they are from the big city they know better and their ideas will bring progress. If true then why did they leave the big city with all the trimmings and a place for them to do their thing?
2. Nepotism – ““patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics” – so where is it at, and is it against the law? Research the general statutes regarding employment by the Sheriff and Register of deeds and the restrictions they incur. Have they complied with the requirements of the law?
3. The mean poverty level for a family of 5 is $24,130, look it up. The starting salary for an Atlanta Police Officer is $34,045, again look it up. Comparing that the price of gas and other tangible goods in Atlanta are lower than Murphy NC demonstrates some disparity for law enforcement officers in Cherokee County. I am sure the poster goes out to eat at least occasionally and hopefully gets the same quality service the law enforcement officers and their families receive. I ask the poster this, if you didn’t receive the quality service you felt you deserved did you complain to the management?
4. Many of the items that the poster mentions as far as being extravagant are completely paid for and paid for through drug forfeitures which by the way did not come from public funding. Items obtained from surplus outfits are often worn out by the time you get them. I ask you this, is it not a good idea to have all of the deputies equipped with the same weapon? Of course you state they are a piece of crap. If so then maybe you have some of the most excellent marksmen in the world who can qualify time and again with a piece of crap.
5. Hopefully the Scout will give a full review of all the cases that were recently disposed of in Cherokee County Superior Court. From the quality work you find that individuals accepted plea arrangements instead of going to trial. That I believe sir states to the fact that the District Attorney had a good case that caused the defendant and his attorney to accept the “better deal.” However, how many of the drug pushers have been brought up on murder charges because they provided the “dope” that killed the individual. Check that out and when you do ask yourself why no murder cases were brought.
6. Ah the ever thrown gauntlet of “who are you really and if you really were a man you would tell us who you really are instead of hiding behind anonymous posts.” Let me remind you or you all that I did not start this inanity. If as you or your all state you have nothing to hide come out of the closet yourself. Quit hiding behind your supposed cloak of anonymity. So much of what you have done belies who you or your really are.
7. Oh yes, before I sign off again – ethics and morals, hmmmm I am sure your closets are not so clean are they? Have a wonderful and blessed day. In His Service I remain :cop:

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Originally Posted by Silent But Deadly

1. Facts – “a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. Dictionary.com” – Nothing ever presented has been upheld by a factual representation merely the ideals of the presenter. The presenter wants the reader to believe because he or they are from the big city they know better and their ideas will bring progress. If true then why did they leave the big city with all the trimmings and a place for them to do their thing?
2. Nepotism – ““patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics” – so where is it at, and is it against the law? Research the general statutes regarding employment by the Sheriff and Register of deeds and the restrictions they incur. Have they complied with the requirements of the law?
3. The mean poverty level for a family of 5 is $24,130, look it up. The starting salary for an Atlanta Police Officer is $34,045, again look it up. Comparing that the price of gas and other tangible goods in Atlanta are lower than Murphy NC demonstrates some disparity for law enforcement officers in Cherokee County. I am sure the poster goes out to eat at least occasionally and hopefully gets the same quality service the law enforcement officers and their families receive. I ask the poster this, if you didn’t receive the quality service you felt you deserved did you complain to the management?
4. Many of the items that the poster mentions as far as being extravagant are completely paid for and paid for through drug forfeitures which by the way did not come from public funding. Items obtained from surplus outfits are often worn out by the time you get them. I ask you this, is it not a good idea to have all of the deputies equipped with the same weapon? Of course you state they are a piece of crap. If so then maybe you have some of the most excellent marksmen in the world who can qualify time and again with a piece of crap.
5. Hopefully the Scout will give a full review of all the cases that were recently disposed of in Cherokee County Superior Court. From the quality work you find that individuals accepted plea arrangements instead of going to trial. That I believe sir states to the fact that the District Attorney had a good case that caused the defendant and his attorney to accept the “better deal.” However, how many of the drug pushers have been brought up on murder charges because they provided the “dope” that killed the individual. Check that out and when you do ask yourself why no murder cases were brought.
6. Ah the ever thrown gauntlet of “who are you really and if you really were a man you would tell us who you really are instead of hiding behind anonymous posts.” Let me remind you or you all that I did not start this inanity. If as you or your all state you have nothing to hide come out of the closet yourself. Quit hiding behind your supposed cloak of anonymity. So much of what you have done belies who you or your really are.
7. Oh yes, before I sign off again – ethics and morals, hmmmm I am sure your closets are not so clean are they? Have a wonderful and blessed day. In His Service I remain :cop:

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Diarrhea of the mouth! I can tell by your rant that your emotions got the best of you. The truth really hurts. I'm so sorry. Like it was said, if you have God on your side to protect you, then tell us who you are, or please go crawl back underneath the rock you came from.

"In his Service I remain." LOL...... you are so pathetic! God will deal with you later.

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Originally Posted by Silent But Deadly

1. Facts – “a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. Dictionary.com” – Nothing ever presented has been upheld by a factual representation merely the ideals of the presenter. The presenter wants the reader to believe because he or they are from the big city they know better and their ideas will bring progress. If true then why did they leave the big city with all the trimmings and a place for them to do their thing?
2. Nepotism – ““patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics” – so where is it at, and is it against the law? Research the general statutes regarding employment by the Sheriff and Register of deeds and the restrictions they incur. Have they complied with the requirements of the law?
3. The mean poverty level for a family of 5 is $24,130, look it up. The starting salary for an Atlanta Police Officer is $34,045, again look it up. Comparing that the price of gas and other tangible goods in Atlanta are lower than Murphy NC demonstrates some disparity for law enforcement officers in Cherokee County. I am sure the poster goes out to eat at least occasionally and hopefully gets the same quality service the law enforcement officers and their families receive. I ask the poster this, if you didn’t receive the quality service you felt you deserved did you complain to the management?
4. Many of the items that the poster mentions as far as being extravagant are completely paid for and paid for through drug forfeitures which by the way did not come from public funding. Items obtained from surplus outfits are often worn out by the time you get them. I ask you this, is it not a good idea to have all of the deputies equipped with the same weapon? Of course you state they are a piece of crap. If so then maybe you have some of the most excellent marksmen in the world who can qualify time and again with a piece of crap.
5. Hopefully the Scout will give a full review of all the cases that were recently disposed of in Cherokee County Superior Court. From the quality work you find that individuals accepted plea arrangements instead of going to trial. That I believe sir states to the fact that the District Attorney had a good case that caused the defendant and his attorney to accept the “better deal.” However, how many of the drug pushers have been brought up on murder charges because they provided the “dope” that killed the individual. Check that out and when you do ask yourself why no murder cases were brought.
6. Ah the ever thrown gauntlet of “who are you really and if you really were a man you would tell us who you really are instead of hiding behind anonymous posts.” Let me remind you or you all that I did not start this inanity. If as you or your all state you have nothing to hide come out of the closet yourself. Quit hiding behind your supposed cloak of anonymity. So much of what you have done belies who you or your really are.
7. Oh yes, before I sign off again – ethics and morals, hmmmm I am sure your closets are not so clean are they? Have a wonderful and blessed day. In His Service I remain :cop:

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Roger, your signature is all over this one.

1. Facts – “a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true. Dictionary.com” – Nothing ever presented has been upheld by a factual representation merely the ideals of the presenter. The presenter wants the reader to believe because he or they are from the big city they know better and their ideas will bring progress. If true then why did they leave the big city with all the trimmings and a place for them to do their thing?

ANSWER: Some left the big city for a better way of life and to avoid it ever becoming like the big city here. If things are not handled appropriately here, it will be like a big city one day, drugs, gangs, theft, home invasion, you name it. All because our sheriff was unable to stop it when he had the chance.

2. Nepotism – ““patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics” – so where is it at, and is it against the law? Research the general statutes regarding employment by the Sheriff and Register of deeds and the restrictions they incur. Have they complied with the requirements of the law?

I cannot believe you defend this one. I am NOW certain that you have no ethics. Just because this practice is not against the law, the practice of hiring family in county government is unethical, and thus allows favoritism over others. By you making this outrageous statement, “that its not against the law tells us much about your principles.” GOD help us you are NOT a deputy, or work in county government. You make the case I have been trying make. JUST because something is not “against the LAW”, does not make it RIGHT! This is where you and many others lack principle and ethics. WOW, great statement!

3. The mean poverty level for a family of 5 is $24,130, look it up. The starting salary for an Atlanta Police Officer is $34,045, again look it up. Comparing that the price of gas and other tangible goods in Atlanta are lower than Murphy NC demonstrates some disparity for law enforcement officers in Cherokee County. (I will say again, the raises here should be in-line with the minimum wage increases across the country and for other jobs. For deputies here to be making 40K+ per year is outrageous!) I am sure the poster goes out to eat at least occasionally and hopefully gets the same quality service the law enforcement officers and their families receive. I ask the poster this, if you didn’t receive the quality service you felt you deserved did you complain to the management?

What in the hell are you talking about quality of service? Our deputies’ here make as much as a starting Atlanta officer. WOW, you make my case once again, Thanks! Why should a deputy here make as much as an Atlanta officer? Why do we have officers here that fail the police academy twice and are allowed to continue working? They are a LIABILITY to this county, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS????????? Once again, you will probably say that because the rules allow this practice, it then somehow makes it okay, right? WRONG! The biggest problem in this county is the lack of governing and management. EVERYONE should have to take ethics 101 before they are hired and still take it once every year!

4. Many of the items that the poster mentions as far as being extravagant are completely paid for and paid for through drug forfeitures which by the way did not come from public funding.

Yeah, drug forfeitures prior to Lovin. Regardless, why use that money to pay for these items instead of surplus equipment? You make my case again, poor financial management. They receive an award of drug forfeitures and like children, they buy extravagant toys. Nice one!
Why not equip the patrol officer with more equipment, or put more patrol officer on the road? Why not start other programs with that money? NO, lets just buy big toy and SUV’s and pretend to be like the COPs on TV.

Items obtained from surplus outfits are often worn out by the time you get them. (NOT TRUE) Do you really believe that the state of North Carolina would sell weapons that could cause another officer life? I DO NOT THING SO! IF they are that bad, they destroy them.) I ask you this, is it not a good idea to have all of the deputies equipped with the same weapon? (YES, but with SURPLUS military equipment that is proven that works.) Other police department around the state and the country practice this, so why are we to good that we CANNOT use surplus equipment?) (Oh, the likelihood that the weapon will ever be used here is very remote and not like big city officer, so more reason why we could use them.)

Of course you state they are a piece of crap. (YES, by your own range people and SERT people have stated that they are crap!)

If so then maybe you have some of the most excellent marksmen in the world who can qualify time and again with a piece of crap. (Qualifying is not a good example of a good weapon. Many of the same people can qualify with any other weapon. I am not going to debate weapons here, the point is much money was spent needlessly.) (Here you show your lack of understanding when it comes to weapon systems)

5. Hopefully the Scout will give a full review of all the cases that were recently disposed of in Cherokee County Superior Court. From the quality work you find that individuals accepted plea arrangements instead of going to trial. (That is because they are many times threaten if they go to trial they can lose much worse.) That I believe sir states to the fact that the District Attorney had a good case that caused the defendant and his attorney to accept the “better deal.” However, how many of the drug pushers have been brought up on murder charges because they provided the “dope” that killed the individual. (I agree, that is a good thing!) Check that out and when you do ask yourself why no murder cases were brought.

6. Ah the ever thrown gauntlet of “who are you really and if you really were a man you would tell us who you really are instead of hiding behind anonymous posts.” Let me remind you or you all that I did not start this inanity. (Yes you did, and NOW you are THE "COWARD”, that hides behind the word of “GOD", etc.) (If as you or your all state you have nothing to hide come out of the closet yourself. Like it was said, we do not want to be retaliated upon. We are not hiding. If you defend these people, then you must reveal yourself, not us. If you do not, it's only because you fear to be left out to dry when the new administration takes over in the future. The people loyal to the top will be removed from office. Reason, they stood still and took NO action when injustice was being executed.) Quit hiding behind your supposed cloak of anonymity. So much of what you have done belies who you or your really are.

7. Oh yes, before I sign off again – ethics and morals, hmmmm I am sure your closets are not so clean are they? Have a wonderful and blessed day. In His Service I remain cop. (You can not even dream of holding up to the principles I hold, and the ethics I stand for.)

1. So you being from another part of the country and bringing the problems with you makes you an expert on how to handle the problem. True enough experience is a good teacher but what measure are you using for you success. If you were successful in another part of the country then why did you come here? Could it be that no matter where you are you are not happy? Where is your proof local law enforcement is not doing its job? Drug dealers are going to jail, thieves and bandits are being put away all the time. The department is being proactive, establishing programs that were only talked about in previous administrations. Since you remain under a cloak of anonymity how can we know that you are a valid judge of the proper progress of law enforcement “before it gets out of hand?” If as you say you are such a law enforcement marvel in the community came from why is it such a mess, or do you need to return there? Of course you say that is why you left did you give up?
2. Still trying to figure out who is related to the Sheriff that is one of his employees. Do you know? As far as ethics what school did you graduate from? You insinuate that law enforcement here in Cherokee County is unethical, even to the point you slander men of God implying they are liars, that officers that were cowardly attacked are cowards themselves. Could it be that you have no ethics and you are willing to cross ethical boundaries to destroy no matter what the cost? Could it be that you are burning bridges that you wanted to mend? I am not sure where your ethical compass points but slander and liable have never and never will be ethical practices. It makes me wonder if you are a law enforcement officer the way that you attack “fellow officers” to state your cause. Of course your true intention is to “inform.”
3. You have stated that we here have not a clue. Evidentially you have not utilized the surplus system that is afforded to the smaller departments. If you get any of the items that they tout they have they may be of good repair but often has been the case they are in need of repair from constant use of the military. I am sure larger departments have been able to get the “good stuff” but that is just not so with the smaller departments. Of course I am unethical therefore I am a liar but check it out if you want. I am sure that it is a wise decision to take the “toys” you so complain about and sell them for a huge loss and get a smaller vehicle to save a few miles to the gallon, I mean doesn’t that make sense to you since the vehicles can’t be replaced for the price of a new one so maybe we can get a loan and set us even farther in the hole? Makes sense or does it? As far as the weapons it seems to me that you must be a Glock armorer or enthusiast but I will leave that one alone since that is a total different argument.
4. Comparing the rate of pay to Atlanta makes sense if you look at the cost of living. True enough an Atlanta police officer may have more work but their job is not any more dangerous when you look at bullets and knives kill and do not respect any one. I agree that we are fortunate we don’t have the amount crime but the danger is just as grave for the officers here in good old Murphy as it is in Atlanta. It serves to remind us that we must always be prepared for here and the hereafter. I am sure when you go to the doctor or other professionals you are willing to pay for their services no matter how qualified you believe they are. If you don’t feel they are qualified and undeserving you go somewhere else. Considering the officers perform the same job functions it makes sense that the rate be comparable considering the cost of living. Of course you still believe they are inept and unethical?!?
5. With plea arrangements the defendant is in control. They are given a choice and often choose the lesser time compared to what a trial will involve. Maybe if you get some time you can cruise up to the court house and talk with a judge and see how the sentencing goes in North Carolina. While you are at it check out the federal sentencing guidelines. It may a shocking revelation but then again maybe not if you have been through the mill before you may have some experience on the federal side of the house and what they do with plea arrangements.
6. Again, someone other than me started this mess with the postings. It has been going on for about two years or better. Check out when the profiles are made. Maybe you will see what I mean. As far as your ethics I still am puzzled but hope that you are a true believer. You seem incensed by the use of God’s loving name and the fact that I can gain comfort and sleep knowing that I am doing his will. My Bible states that we are to pray for those who despitefully use us. I am praying for you and others as well. If you truly feel your cause is such a worthy cause you have the capability of giving us the unashamed truth of who you are and what you really stand for. Come out of the closet and show us your true identity. It is easy to say you are one person and be another on the internet but in person is another thing but then again you can send you lacky can’t ya. God Bless.

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Originally Posted by Silent But Deadly

1. So you being from another part of the country and bringing the problems with you makes you an expert on how to handle the problem. True enough experience is a good teacher but what measure are you using for you success. If you were successful in another part of the country then why did you come here? Could it be that no matter where you are you are not happy? Where is your proof local law enforcement is not doing its job? Drug dealers are going to jail, thieves and bandits are being put away all the time. The department is being proactive, establishing programs that were only talked about in previous administrations. Since you remain under a cloak of anonymity how can we know that you are a valid judge of the proper progress of law enforcement “before it gets out of hand?” If as you say you are such a law enforcement marvel in the community came from why is it such a mess, or do you need to return there? Of course you say that is why you left did you give up?
2. Still trying to figure out who is related to the Sheriff that is one of his employees. Do you know? As far as ethics what school did you graduate from? You insinuate that law enforcement here in Cherokee County is unethical, even to the point you slander men of God implying they are liars, that officers that were cowardly attacked are cowards themselves. Could it be that you have no ethics and you are willing to cross ethical boundaries to destroy no matter what the cost? Could it be that you are burning bridges that you wanted to mend? I am not sure where your ethical compass points but slander and liable have never and never will be ethical practices. It makes me wonder if you are a law enforcement officer the way that you attack “fellow officers” to state your cause. Of course your true intention is to “inform.”
3. You have stated that we here have not a clue. Evidentially you have not utilized the surplus system that is afforded to the smaller departments. If you get any of the items that they tout they have they may be of good repair but often has been the case they are in need of repair from constant use of the military. I am sure larger departments have been able to get the “good stuff” but that is just not so with the smaller departments. Of course I am unethical therefore I am a liar but check it out if you want. I am sure that it is a wise decision to take the “toys” you so complain about and sell them for a huge loss and get a smaller vehicle to save a few miles to the gallon, I mean doesn’t that make sense to you since the vehicles can’t be replaced for the price of a new one so maybe we can get a loan and set us even farther in the hole? Makes sense or does it? As far as the weapons it seems to me that you must be a Glock armorer or enthusiast but I will leave that one alone since that is a total different argument.
4. Comparing the rate of pay to Atlanta makes sense if you look at the cost of living. True enough an Atlanta police officer may have more work but their job is not any more dangerous when you look at bullets and knives kill and do not respect any one. I agree that we are fortunate we don’t have the amount crime but the danger is just as grave for the officers here in good old Murphy as it is in Atlanta. It serves to remind us that we must always be prepared for here and the hereafter. I am sure when you go to the doctor or other professionals you are willing to pay for their services no matter how qualified you believe they are. If you don’t feel they are qualified and undeserving you go somewhere else. Considering the officers perform the same job functions it makes sense that the rate be comparable considering the cost of living. Of course you still believe they are inept and unethical?!?
5. With plea arrangements the defendant is in control. They are given a choice and often choose the lesser time compared to what a trial will involve. Maybe if you get some time you can cruise up to the court house and talk with a judge and see how the sentencing goes in North Carolina. While you are at it check out the federal sentencing guidelines. It may a shocking revelation but then again maybe not if you have been through the mill before you may have some experience on the federal side of the house and what they do with plea arrangements.
6. Again, someone other than me started this mess with the postings. It has been going on for about two years or better. Check out when the profiles are made. Maybe you will see what I mean. As far as your ethics I still am puzzled but hope that you are a true believer. You seem incensed by the use of God’s loving name and the fact that I can gain comfort and sleep knowing that I am doing his will. My Bible states that we are to pray for those who despitefully use us. I am praying for you and others as well. If you truly feel your cause is such a worthy cause you have the capability of giving us the unashamed truth of who you are and what you really stand for. Come out of the closet and show us your true identity. It is easy to say you are one person and be another on the internet but in person is another thing but then again you can send you lacky can’t ya. God Bless.

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You know what, I agree with all you said. I give up, you win! God Bless!

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