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Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/28/12 15:31:29

Guest wrote:There are some valid opinions on here but also some disgruntled BS. Let's face it--TPD we are not and never will be. Those who remain here longer than 3 years are happy with that. But, in spite of the fact that we don't have a step plan, which the chief has tried to get for us for years, we still get raises pretty regularly even when other university employees don't. The last ones PBA didn't even have to negotiate for because the chief got them for us! And as far as whining about pay for performance it's pretty simple: work hard. Find out what admin wants and give it to them. That's no different anyplace else. Ask our former officers who work at TPD, HCSO, DEA, Secret Service or others and they will tell you. Also, with all the negative talk on here I didn't see anything about our new take-home car program. The chief worked hard on that for years and finally made it a reality. He's bought a bunch of new cars for us and equiped them with top shelf equipment including shotguns to so where's the appreciation from you veterans who know how crummy things were before Longo got here? The last chief wouldnt even buy new tires for the patrol cars. We could be driving some wimpy flex car that would be an embarrassment but no, he buys new Crown Vics. Isn't USF Tampa campus only the SECOND university in Florida to have take homes??? And rumor has it several new cars are on the way again.

USFPD is what it is. And it isn't what it isn't. There are good things to do here and much fun to be had with your buddies. And really, as far as money, how many other departments have the TON of off-duty jobs we have? Heck, even TTPD comes here to work OD they have so little of it. If you don't mind working to support that family that is so important to you, another 10,000 or more can be made per year just working OD on campus, and easy jobs too. No thugs in a McDonalds to deal with for your OT. I agree USF should pay its officers more, but it doesn't look like thats going to happen any time soon. In the mean time, enjoy the job for what it is and make the most of it. And if you have to make a change because you need to, then best of luck to you. Oh and one more thing, those other campus departments that pay higher than us are probably in high cost areas. So after you get done paying your taxes you can live in a single wide trailer. No thanks. On balance USFPD Tampa is not a bad deal.


:lol: :lol: Come on now :lol: :lol: Who in Command staff wrote this :lol: :lol:

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/27/12 12:18:19

Guest wrote:"I didn't get to pick my own Command staff" T. Longo, 2007


Yet another disgruntled employee passed over for promotion because they don't deserve it whining like a baby because they didn't get what they want and are suddenly expected to work. Too bad you can't get on anywhere else cuz I guess we are stuck with you.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/27/12 08:02:23

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:Well said .while your comments are on point a main issue with usf tampa is the glaring lack of leadership and working leo knowledge in the command ranks. Moral should be at an all time high but I think its because of the weak leadeship it isnt. Jmo


I think morale is very high recently. But if its suffering its because of the BS on here. The reality is things are prety good. We have not had any layoffs either.


We don't have to read about it here, we see the incompetence rewarded and micromanagement first hand everyday.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/27/12 07:59:44

"I didn't get to pick my own Command staff" T. Longo, 2007

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/26/12 16:16:38

Guest wrote:Well said .while your comments are on point a main issue with usf tampa is the glaring lack of leadership and working leo knowledge in the command ranks. Moral should be at an all time high but I think its because of the weak leadeship it isnt. Jmo


Who in the command ranks are you talking about?

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/26/12 13:47:48

Guest wrote:Well said .while your comments are on point a main issue with usf tampa is the glaring lack of leadership and working leo knowledge in the command ranks. Moral should be at an all time high but I think its because of the weak leadeship it isnt. Jmo


I think morale is very high recently. But if its suffering its because of the BS on here. The reality is things are prety good. We have not had any layoffs either.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/26/12 13:18:34

Well said .while your comments are on point a main issue with usf tampa is the glaring lack of leadership and working leo knowledge in the command ranks. Moral should be at an all time high but I think its because of the weak leadeship it isnt. Jmo

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/26/12 12:47:22

There are some valid opinions on here but also some disgruntled BS. Let's face it--TPD we are not and never will be. Those who remain here longer than 3 years are happy with that. But, in spite of the fact that we don't have a step plan, which the chief has tried to get for us for years, we still get raises pretty regularly even when other university employees don't. The last ones PBA didn't even have to negotiate for because the chief got them for us! And as far as whining about pay for performance it's pretty simple: work hard. Find out what admin wants and give it to them. That's no different anyplace else. Ask our former officers who work at TPD, HCSO, DEA, Secret Service or others and they will tell you. Also, with all the negative talk on here I didn't see anything about our new take-home car program. The chief worked hard on that for years and finally made it a reality. He's bought a bunch of new cars for us and equiped them with top shelf equipment including shotguns to so where's the appreciation from you veterans who know how crummy things were before Longo got here? The last chief wouldnt even buy new tires for the patrol cars. We could be driving some wimpy flex car that would be an embarrassment but no, he buys new Crown Vics. Isn't USF Tampa campus only the SECOND university in Florida to have take homes??? And rumor has it several new cars are on the way again.

USFPD is what it is. And it isn't what it isn't. There are good things to do here and much fun to be had with your buddies. And really, as far as money, how many other departments have the TON of off-duty jobs we have? Heck, even TTPD comes here to work OD they have so little of it. If you don't mind working to support that family that is so important to you, another 10,000 or more can be made per year just working OD on campus, and easy jobs too. No thugs in a McDonalds to deal with for your OT. I agree USF should pay its officers more, but it doesn't look like thats going to happen any time soon. In the mean time, enjoy the job for what it is and make the most of it. And if you have to make a change because you need to, then best of luck to you. Oh and one more thing, those other campus departments that pay higher than us are probably in high cost areas. So after you get done paying your taxes you can live in a single wide trailer. No thanks. On balance USFPD Tampa is not a bad deal.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/20/12 21:02:47

This is a problem I have seen with this job in wanting to put a career in here. I have worked here for a few years and as far as I have seen from the way things are done around here, that pretty much qualifys me to put in my point of view for my short time on the job. Those Med center officers don't do as much as put on the patrol, but they have earned their job. I am wanting to move up in this PD, but I don't see much chance in that unless someone quits, retires, or the Chief decides to try and fire someone. There has to be some spots for people that actually want to stay on this Dept. for years and retire like most of the other agencies? There are a lot of people that have retired from other agencies working here as well as a lot of newbies like me that have no time on the job here that bitch.... that want to cut the throat of the people that have invested their career here 20yrs or more...at the UP and have made it their job.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/20/12 18:22:20

As far as the Med Center goes and I could be wrong, but I think they pay for and fund at least two spots on this Department. So, natuarly they expect some officers to be working those Med Center areas. There is a lot of stuff there and a lot of University type matters as the University Med Center goes that need to be looked after and taken care of. There are two working there now. A Sgt. that put at least 20yrs on the job as officer and most of that being a patrol supervisor for years. The other officer has more years than that working in patrol. Every department has these types of jobs for older officers that have put their time in on the job. You younger officers don't understand that and gripe and complain, and you do not recognize senority and probably won't be on this job more than 5yrs. Someday, somewhere, if you make it in this career that long, you will be a senior officer and will have a different opinion. It's especially true of these new officers that come on this Dept., and the ask why are these people working at the Med Center and are not doing as much as I have to do working in the patrol division. Put your 20yrs on the job here and you will have a different outlook.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/20/12 07:15:04

Guest wrote:The above post is right on the money. The pay for performance system is not fair for Law enforcement and especially this Department. Compare an officer who is answering calls, writing a fair amount of tickets and makes arrests when needed. Doing great and is rewarded with a good eval and therefore gets a "top" offered raise. Look at another officer who works the med center for example (I AM JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, NOT TO DISRESPECT ANYONE!!) The med Center duties are a bit "slower" in nature but at the end of the year that Officer does what a typical Med Center officer needs to do and get the exact same eval and raise as the guy who is writing reports, writing tickets and making arrests.

Its a twisted way of doing business if you ask me. But then again in the eyes of USF we're as equal as the guys cutting the grass or mopping the bathrooms.

I guess I don't quite understand. Sure, the two officers you described might have different duties based on their assignments, but if the med center officer is doing the best job he can on his assignment, why should he not get the same evaluation and pay raise that the patrol officer got? They are both police officers; they just have different assignments. That is no different from any other police department anywhere you go.

Perhaps I just don't understand pay for performance as it is used at USF. It sounds like it is if you perform well in your job, no matter what that job is, you get a good evaluation and raise. If you are a screwup, then you don't. That is the way it should be. I do agree that personality issues between supervisor and employee have no business in the mix, and if they do come in to play, that supervisor needs to be replaced. A good supervisor needs to be able to put their personal feelings aside and act professionally.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/20/12 06:28:03

The little baby does not like it when the grownups make him do his chores.
Cry, little baby, cry.
The little baby does not like it when he has to go poopy on the potty in order to receive a treat.
Fuss, little baby, fuss.

This is real easy, lazy people. Come to work and actually do work instead of playing on your iPad, texting on your phone, sleeping in the "secret" place, and gossiping with your pals all day and night.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/20/12 00:49:35

The above post is right on the money. The pay for performance system is not fair for Law enforcement and especially this Department. Compare an officer who is answering calls, writing a fair amount of tickets and makes arrests when needed. Doing great and is rewarded with a good eval and therefore gets a "top" offered raise. Look at another officer who works the med center for example (I AM JUST USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, NOT TO DISRESPECT ANYONE!!) The med Center duties are a bit "slower" in nature but at the end of the year that Officer does what a typical Med Center officer needs to do and get the exact same eval and raise as the guy who is writing reports, writing tickets and making arrests.

Its a twisted way of doing business if you ask me. But then again in the eyes of USF we're as equal as the guys cutting the grass or mopping the bathrooms.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/19/12 21:35:08

On a real police department, they judge your work as an officer in a balance of work...serving the community, handleing calls for service, arrests, and traffic tickets given out, you got the best raise unless you were a screw up. Now under the Pay for Performance, you will not get the best raise, it has gone back to the old standards in police work that was found wrong and done away by the police union....., of how many arrest you make or how many traffic tickets you do. It has gone back to the way the rest of the business and university system works, which is totally wrong for police work on a daily basis. It doest work in police work and the average officer doing a good job out there will not get the best pay raise because of it. Its a sad how this department has let that pay for performance slip into our contracts. Future officers coming on the job will pay for this as well as being penalized for Gov. Scotts bills to take away money from police officers. The university community will pay for it a lot in tickets and arrests to get a the best evaluation for the "pay for performance." And it is true on this job, if your supervisor has personality problem with you, you will not get raises. Period. My advice is don't put your career in here if you want to make your career as a police officer. Go go to a PD that is a PD and what you went to school for and an academy and trained for, otherwise you will be under the same pay raise standards as the regluar university employee...custodians, plumbers, grounds keepers ect....not under the tough training you went through to put you life on the line everyday on this job. Go where you will be rewarded for it.

Re: Pay steps?

Post by Guest » 04/19/12 12:07:22

The only ones who stay at USFPD are retired people from other Departments and those who would be useless in a real agency. For the rest its just a temporary stop in their careers.


Boy, you got that one right. Watch out for them skateboarders.

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