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Guest wrote:

Turnkey Jailguard wrote:

FRJ Posse wrote:This is just my two cents; As much as this office worries about lawsuits and liability issues, for what reason would they allow detention deputies to carry a high power round like the .40 cal and .45 cal in a CROWDED area like a hospital or court room? The 9mm may have not been suited for the road but it was very practical for detention. There are a lot of jurisdictions out there, Polk County was a good example, that will only allow their court room deputies to carry 9mm. I may be wrong on this one but I'm pretty sure Federal air marshals are only allowed to carry 9's also.

Why would they allow detention to carry a high power round?? Because the Road deputies aren't going to sit on multiple inmates in a hospital, transport them to and from doctors appointments, take inmates out on EMS runs to the hospital and sit outside our jails in order to prevent anyone from escaping or coming through the front doors and shooting up the place (remember what happened recently in a Detroit precinct this year?)

The office wanted all duty weapons to be the same because if by some chance we all respond to a situation (road, detention, bailiff, transportation, etc..) where we are firing at suspects, we will all be able to use the same weapon. We will have been qualified and trained with it. We will all be carrying the same caliber bullets, magazines, etc... It will be seamless and interchangeable. That's why.

Don't think because we are lowly Jail guards, that we are somehow not as experienced with shooting or handling a weapon. You can ask any firearms instructor down at the Walter C Heinrich Training site exactly how much better us poor Turnkeys shoot better than the road deputies.
Fact not fiction.

Have little doubt. Have you seen why? If not I'll tell you why.........it's because the office no longer puts emphasis on trying to hire ex-military and seasoned Leo's from other agencies. Instead it is hiring kids fresh out of college, who have never fired or at times even held a gun in their lives. These college grad yuppies are applying for only the road, not the jails. Many of them would crap their pants if they were left alone with a Pod full of inmates. On top of all this, you have leadership at the office treating it's old school vet deps like dirt and shoving them out the door. Ask just about any road supervisor, particularly the night shifts, about how bad the lack of inexperience has become on the road and how they are fearful that this is going to result in deps and citizens alike getting hurt or killed. It is not surprising at all that the jail deps shoot better, but bet you can't RUN as fast as those hitting the street..

Turnkey Jailguard wrote:

FRJ Posse wrote:This is just my two cents; As much as this office worries about lawsuits and liability issues, for what reason would they allow detention deputies to carry a high power round like the .40 cal and .45 cal in a CROWDED area like a hospital or court room? The 9mm may have not been suited for the road but it was very practical for detention. There are a lot of jurisdictions out there, Polk County was a good example, that will only allow their court room deputies to carry 9mm. I may be wrong on this one but I'm pretty sure Federal air marshals are only allowed to carry 9's also.

Why would they allow detention to carry a high power round?? Because the Road deputies aren't going to sit on multiple inmates in a hospital, transport them to and from doctors appointments, take inmates out on EMS runs to the hospital and sit outside our jails in order to prevent anyone from escaping or coming through the front doors and shooting up the place (remember what happened recently in a Detroit precinct this year?)

The office wanted all duty weapons to be the same because if by some chance we all respond to a situation (road, detention, bailiff, transportation, etc..) where we are firing at suspects, we will all be able to use the same weapon. We will have been qualified and trained with it. We will all be carrying the same caliber bullets, magazines, etc... It will be seamless and interchangeable. That's why.

Don't think because we are lowly Jail guards, that we are somehow not as experienced with shooting or handling a weapon. You can ask any firearms instructor down at the Walter C Heinrich Training site exactly how much better us poor Turnkeys shoot better than the road deputies.
Fact not fiction.

FRJ Posse wrote:This is just my two cents; As much as this office worries about lawsuits and liability issues, for what reason would they allow detention deputies to carry a high power round like the .40 cal and .45 cal in a CROWDED area like a hospital or court room? The 9mm may have not been suited for the road but it was very practical for detention. There are a lot of jurisdictions out there, Polk County was a good example, that will only allow their court room deputies to carry 9mm. I may be wrong on this one but I'm pretty sure Federal air marshals are only allowed to carry 9's also.

Guest wrote:A CWP will allow you to carry whatever you want as far as the law is concerned. It will not shield you from administrative action if you carry something that is not approved or something you are not qualified with. In other words, you can carry your dirty harry 44 magnum all day long and not get into trouble if you have a CWP, but pull it out to shoot some guy who is robbing a store could get you into hot water administratively. I agree the SOP needs to be revisited by the powers that be in order to clarify things.

It must be very confusing to Detention Deputies because according to SOP (correct me if I am wrong, I believe this is still current) Detention Deputies are not allowed to "badge" or act in a law enforcement capacity off duty so carrying a firearm is primarily for self defense.

This is not a swipe at Detention, I was one and I know it is a damm difficult job.

I will say this; Iove this Glock 22 that was issued. I think it was especially thoughtfull to have it engraved and for the Sheriff to allow those retiring in good standing to keep the pistol.

Guest wrote:

Brubaker wrote:Yes or no, is the Glock 22 in .40 the ONLY firearm that may be carried as a PRIMARY weapon now?

There are lots or rumors on this one out there, just trying to get the facts for all of the simpleton turnkeys who still have to buy their own guns.

Sorry for your confusion, as you are not alone. To make matters worse, the most recent SOP on this topic went over like a lead balloon.

To answer your question however, if you are in uniform, YOU MUST carry only the GLOCK 22 .40 Caliber. If you are in a plain clothes assignment, you can carry the Glock 27 .40 Caliber, but I BELIEVE you have to get permission from Daddy first. Off duty, you can only carry a .40 caliber if you want the office to provide you with Duty, Practice or Qualification ammo. Any other Off Duty weapon must be between .380 and .45 Caliber, for which you must provide all the ammo. As far as how having a Concealed Weapons Permit is perceived by the office, nobody knows. Hope this helps.

FRJ Posse wrote:To guest; There are times when we are on duty when we need an authorized duty weapon pronto. A lot of the time when we have to jump on the ambulance for a hospital run the supervisors are way too busy to make it to the armoy to issue out a weapon. Hence, a lot of us already have our own personal weapons available in a "Certain" spot. Plus, if your a deputy that lives say, out in Odessa and you get the call before coming to work that you have to report to TGH to sit on a inmate, wouldn't it be a lot easier to have your own weapon and not have to drive all the way across town to check out a weapon from the armory?

We had an escape about seven years ago and I was able to get my weapon from that "Certain" spot mighty quick without having to go to the armory. As a matter of fact, go ask Gary Herman about that night. He basically insinuated that I was a dumb jail guard for standing out in the road with my weapon and checking cars coming out HCC Brandon on Columbus dr. Told me to go back to the jail. Do you know what? Not less than than two minutes after I left, K9 Scooby found the guy underneath a car twenty feet from where I was standing. The inmate stated post miranda that he was basically trapped because, "He was standing out there with his gun and I couldn't move".