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Keep trying wrote:I am soooo impressed with your expertise. Thank you, thank you, thank you for demonstrating that you know so much more that the governors and legislatures about how to combat the invasion of illegal aliens.

I say let them keep trying. Sooner or later they will hit on something that works, maybe through the driver's licensing laws or some similar approach that excludes illegal aliens from participation in the community.

In the mean time it is inaccurate to call the governor's attempts at ridding our state of illegals a "charade."

Guest wrote:I did, cut up my rnc card and tea party express card and will never send a dime to either one ever again. You dumb arsse cutting off your nose to spite your face. Compromise is how this country was formed and you radicals are out for blood. Good luck I dont think you will succeed as you have pissed off just about ever leo, firefighter, and teacher in the state and nation. Arsse wipes like you will be going after veterans next.

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Arizona wrote:Hummmm. Apparently you never heard of Arizona. Every time their state immigration laws get knocked down they write another one. They are not going to give up.

Arizona's law is just as unenforceable as anything here would be. Again, the feds control the ONLY database that says whether or not someone is legally in the country. It would be pretty hard to convict someone of being an illegal immigrant in state court if the feds don't provide the information that they're not here legally. Arizona does keep writing laws and every one gets shot down in court. When (or if) Arizona starts arresting people based upon the new laws, the people will be freed as quickly as they're taken in and brought before a judge.

Attempts by states to control illegal immigration simply cannot work without getting access to DHS/DOS databases!

I am soooo impressed with your expertise. Thank you, thank you, thank you for demonstrating that you know so much more that the governors and legislatures about how to combat the invasion of illegal aliens.

I say let them keep trying. Sooner or later they will hit on something that works, maybe through the driver's licensing laws or some similar approach that excludes illegal aliens from participation in the community.

In the mean time it is inaccurate to call the governor's attempts at ridding our state of illegals a "charade."

Your right...........the Governor himself is the Charade. He has single handedly destroyed my faith in the Republican Party. He makes Obama look like a Saint. Scott is out for NOTHING BUT TO BETTER HIS OWN BUSINESS TAX INTERESTS, so that he can swim even deeper in the money. I'm so sick of people like him buying their way into a political seat and then idiots support him, thinking that he cares about them. Wake up, cause he cares only about tthree things, money, power & himself. I would love to rid this state & country of the illegals who are draining us dry, dont pay taxes, cause millions of dollars of property damage and injuries from driving drunk and ALWAYS leaving the scene. Lets not even mention the healthcare costs for the illegals who come into this country & state just to seek hospital care and deliver baby after baby without ever having any internt to pay back the governments, hospitals and private citizens who are left with smashed up vehicles and injuries caused by these illegals who dont care a bit. Hillsborough County alone, sustains hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in unpaid criminal acts, hospital care and many violent gang crimes and the grafitti they leave behind. Hillsborough county got so bad that they had to just recently start up a gang grafitti enforcement section through the code enforcement office. Who do you think is paying all this stuff...........The middle class blue collar workers like us. Thats all it ever is....take, take, take from the middleclass to pay for the poor & illegal, while Scott lets his wealthy buddies off the hook again. Well its finally coming to a boiling point and the middle class is going to start telling politicians like Scott to go "F%*K OFF! Been Republican my whole life and now after Rick Scott, I am seriously teetering on the fence.

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Arizona wrote:Hummmm. Apparently you never heard of Arizona. Every time their state immigration laws get knocked down they write another one. They are not going to give up.

Arizona's law is just as unenforceable as anything here would be. Again, the feds control the ONLY database that says whether or not someone is legally in the country. It would be pretty hard to convict someone of being an illegal immigrant in state court if the feds don't provide the information that they're not here legally. Arizona does keep writing laws and every one gets shot down in court. When (or if) Arizona starts arresting people based upon the new laws, the people will be freed as quickly as they're taken in and brought before a judge.

Attempts by states to control illegal immigration simply cannot work without getting access to DHS/DOS databases!

I am soooo impressed with your expertise. Thank you, thank you, thank you for demonstrating that you know so much more that the governors and legislatures about how to combat the invasion of illegal aliens.

I say let them keep trying. Sooner or later they will hit on something that works, maybe through the driver's licensing laws or some similar approach that excludes illegal aliens from participation in the community.

In the mean time it is inaccurate to call the governor's attempts at ridding our state of illegals a "charade."

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Arizona wrote:Hummmm. Apparently you never heard of Arizona. Every time their state immigration laws get knocked down they write another one. They are not going to give up.

Arizona's law is just as unenforceable as anything here would be. Again, the feds control the ONLY database that says whether or not someone is legally in the country. It would be pretty hard to convict someone of being an illegal immigrant in state court if the feds don't provide the information that they're not here legally. Arizona does keep writing laws and every one gets shot down in court. When (or if) Arizona starts arresting people based upon the new laws, the people will be freed as quickly as they're taken in and brought before a judge.

Attempts by states to control illegal immigration simply cannot work without getting access to DHS/DOS databases!

Arizona wrote:Hummmm. Apparently you never heard of Arizona. Every time their state immigration laws get knocked down they write another one. They are not going to give up.

Guest wrote:Scott's hard line stance on immigration is just a charade. Immigration is a federal issue, not a state issue.

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Guest wrote:My marked patrol car? You mean the one that I have to put a uniform on to drive, log on to the MDT, and be available for any horseshit that gets dispatched because of the order requiring the comm center to dispatch the nearest unit to any "priority" call? That car?

Because, there's nothing I love to do more than put on my white uniform that I've worn for three days straight, clean out all my files form the front seat, disinfect the back seat, and then throw the wife and kids in the car and try to dodge 911 hangup calls from a non-working cell phone while we go grocery shopping.

And for those that will no doubt miss the above sarcasm, no I'm not going to put my family in a marked car for both policy reasons and safety reasons among many, many other reasons.

Yeah. I think I'll use my private vehicle.

You poor pathetic crybaby, it isn't about using the patrol car for grocery shopping.

It is about having a car, gas included, to drive to and from work. You should compare your good fortune with the civilians who have to own a second car just for getting to work so that their spouse will have a car through the day. They not only have to make payments to have the car, pay to insure the car, pay to maintain the car, pay for gas, but also to pay for a place to park if they work downtown.

Your whining is disgusting.

Hey jealous detention deputy errrrrr I mean civilian, since you are so smart, have you calculated out the cost of building multi-level parking garages at each district and division? There would need to be parking available to store patrol cars, spare cars, deputies' personal cars, as well as parking for civilians visiting. The multi-millions would take decades and decades to recoup. But at least you would satisfy your jealous need to tear everyone else down.


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You have (unsuccessfully) attempted to change the subject. The discussion was about how having a take home car is a very valuable benefit to YOU. Your blather about the cost of building parking garages, etc. is completely off the subject.

By the way, there is no obligation to provide parking facilities for employees. Apparently you have never visited a Police Station in Manhattan. Officers get to work by public transportation or pay exorbitant rates to park personal vehicles in downtown garages.

I appreciate the benefit of an (unmarked) home to work car and recognize it for the valuable benefit it is.

Shame on you for disparaging the benefit provided to you.

When it comes to comparing unmarked cars to marked cars, you don't even want to go there. Wouldn't everyone just love to have the benefit of a unmarked car at HCSO. It's like comparing apples & oranges when it comes to the benefits of a unmarked & marked vehicle. Lets just say that the unmarked car privileges at HCSO are one of the best kept secrets around. The monetary benefit of having a assigned unmarked car at HCSO is easily $5,000 a year and thats probably a low figure.

Yet another (unsuccessful) attempt to change the subject.

The FACT remains that having a patrol car for home to work driving saves the deputy the cost of all of the things previously listed and is a great benefit.

To disparage the benefit is shameful.

Ummm.............you might want to actually READ the post above yours, since it agrees that having a unmarked take home car is a TREMENDOUS BENEFIT! Yes, having a marked patrol car saves gas to & from work, but you can't drive it 24/7 as a family vehicle. I see unmarked cars with child restraint seats onboard all the time, as well as kids toys, diapers etc. Again, having a unmarked vehicle assigned to you is one of the biggest benefits anyone will ever get at the office, yet we are talking about marked patrol cars? I know several deputies that leave their marked cars at either the districts or fire stations, because many times the benefit of it does not outweigh the need for space at the deps home or the eyesore it often causes when left parked out in the roadway. Sure, most would agree that having a take home marked car is nice, but once again, having a unmarked car at HCSO is like someone giving you a brand new personal vehicle.

Sadly, you have fallen into the error that is commonplace in this forum; you have had your attention diverted from the thread of the discussion by someone (perhaps even you) CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

If you will look at the first post in the line of posts within this current message you will find that a deputy disparaged the value of having a take home car for which the county paid all expenses, including gas.

My response pointed out the VALUE to the deputy of having the car.

The response to that attempted to change the subject to how giving the deputy a take home car saved the taxpayer money. That's true but irrelevant to the fact that it is a benefit to the deputy. Off subject, so invalid response.

After my post pointing out that the post was off subject, and mentioning my appreciation for my unmarked car there was another attempt to go off subject by complaining about the difference in benefit between having a marked car and an unmarked car. Again, this jealousy ploy has nothing to do with the fact that the marked car is a VALUE to the deputy who has one.

And now you come along and claim that the post above my last one acknowledged that having a marked car was a TREMENDOUS BENEFIT. I see no such words. The best I see is "Yes, having a marked patrol car saves gas to & from work," and "Sure, most would agree that having a take home marked car is nice," both of which statements are followed with a "but" which disparages the benefit.

It's a shame that you are so grudging in finally acknowledging that my original post was correct in pointing out the great value of having a take home car, even though you resent having to put on a uniform to drive it off duty.

Feel free to respond with another off-point argument, which will likely be true but will in no way refute my position that having the home to work car is a valuable benefit. For me this discussion is over.

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Guest wrote:My marked patrol car? You mean the one that I have to put a uniform on to drive, log on to the MDT, and be available for any horseshit that gets dispatched because of the order requiring the comm center to dispatch the nearest unit to any "priority" call? That car?

Because, there's nothing I love to do more than put on my white uniform that I've worn for three days straight, clean out all my files form the front seat, disinfect the back seat, and then throw the wife and kids in the car and try to dodge 911 hangup calls from a non-working cell phone while we go grocery shopping.

And for those that will no doubt miss the above sarcasm, no I'm not going to put my family in a marked car for both policy reasons and safety reasons among many, many other reasons.

Yeah. I think I'll use my private vehicle.

You poor pathetic crybaby, it isn't about using the patrol car for grocery shopping.

It is about having a car, gas included, to drive to and from work. You should compare your good fortune with the civilians who have to own a second car just for getting to work so that their spouse will have a car through the day. They not only have to make payments to have the car, pay to insure the car, pay to maintain the car, pay for gas, but also to pay for a place to park if they work downtown.

Your whining is disgusting.

Hey jealous detention deputy errrrrr I mean civilian, since you are so smart, have you calculated out the cost of building multi-level parking garages at each district and division? There would need to be parking available to store patrol cars, spare cars, deputies' personal cars, as well as parking for civilians visiting. The multi-millions would take decades and decades to recoup. But at least you would satisfy your jealous need to tear everyone else down.


aaa

You have (unsuccessfully) attempted to change the subject. The discussion was about how having a take home car is a very valuable benefit to YOU. Your blather about the cost of building parking garages, etc. is completely off the subject.

By the way, there is no obligation to provide parking facilities for employees. Apparently you have never visited a Police Station in Manhattan. Officers get to work by public transportation or pay exorbitant rates to park personal vehicles in downtown garages.

I appreciate the benefit of an (unmarked) home to work car and recognize it for the valuable benefit it is.

Shame on you for disparaging the benefit provided to you.

When it comes to comparing unmarked cars to marked cars, you don't even want to go there. Wouldn't everyone just love to have the benefit of a unmarked car at HCSO. It's like comparing apples & oranges when it comes to the benefits of a unmarked & marked vehicle. Lets just say that the unmarked car privileges at HCSO are one of the best kept secrets around. The monetary benefit of having a assigned unmarked car at HCSO is easily $5,000 a year and thats probably a low figure.

Yet another (unsuccessful) attempt to change the subject.

The FACT remains that having a patrol car for home to work driving saves the deputy the cost of all of the things previously listed and is a great benefit.

To disparage the benefit is shameful.

Ummm.............you might want to actually READ the post above yours, since it agrees that having a unmarked take home car is a TREMENDOUS BENEFIT! Yes, having a marked patrol car saves gas to & from work, but you can't drive it 24/7 as a family vehicle. I see unmarked cars with child restraint seats onboard all the time, as well as kids toys, diapers etc. Again, having a unmarked vehicle assigned to you is one of the biggest benefits anyone will ever get at the office, yet we are talking about marked patrol cars? I know several deputies that leave their marked cars at either the districts or fire stations, because many times the benefit of it does not outweigh the need for space at the deps home or the eyesore it often causes when left parked out in the roadway. Sure, most would agree that having a take home marked car is nice, but once again, having a unmarked car at HCSO is like someone giving you a brand new personal vehicle.

stick your car wrote:

Guest wrote:

stick your car wrote:

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stick your car wrote:

Guest wrote:My marked patrol car? You mean the one that I have to put a uniform on to drive, log on to the MDT, and be available for any horseshit that gets dispatched because of the order requiring the comm center to dispatch the nearest unit to any "priority" call? That car?

Because, there's nothing I love to do more than put on my white uniform that I've worn for three days straight, clean out all my files form the front seat, disinfect the back seat, and then throw the wife and kids in the car and try to dodge 911 hangup calls from a non-working cell phone while we go grocery shopping.

And for those that will no doubt miss the above sarcasm, no I'm not going to put my family in a marked car for both policy reasons and safety reasons among many, many other reasons.

Yeah. I think I'll use my private vehicle.

You poor pathetic crybaby, it isn't about using the patrol car for grocery shopping.

It is about having a car, gas included, to drive to and from work. You should compare your good fortune with the civilians who have to own a second car just for getting to work so that their spouse will have a car through the day. They not only have to make payments to have the car, pay to insure the car, pay to maintain the car, pay for gas, but also to pay for a place to park if they work downtown.

Your whining is disgusting.

Hey jealous detention deputy errrrrr I mean civilian, since you are so smart, have you calculated out the cost of building multi-level parking garages at each district and division? There would need to be parking available to store patrol cars, spare cars, deputies' personal cars, as well as parking for civilians visiting. The multi-millions would take decades and decades to recoup. But at least you would satisfy your jealous need to tear everyone else down.


aaa

You have (unsuccessfully) attempted to change the subject. The discussion was about how having a take home car is a very valuable benefit to YOU. Your blather about the cost of building parking garages, etc. is completely off the subject.

By the way, there is no obligation to provide parking facilities for employees. Apparently you have never visited a Police Station in Manhattan. Officers get to work by public transportation or pay exorbitant rates to park personal vehicles in downtown garages.

I appreciate the benefit of an (unmarked) home to work car and recognize it for the valuable benefit it is.

Shame on you for disparaging the benefit provided to you.

When it comes to comparing unmarked cars to marked cars, you don't even want to go there. Wouldn't everyone just love to have the benefit of a unmarked car at HCSO. It's like comparing apples & oranges when it comes to the benefits of a unmarked & marked vehicle. Lets just say that the unmarked car privileges at HCSO are one of the best kept secrets around. The monetary benefit of having a assigned unmarked car at HCSO is easily $5,000 a year and thats probably a low figure.

Yet another (unsuccessful) attempt to change the subject.

The FACT remains that having a patrol car for home to work driving saves the deputy the cost of all of the things previously listed and is a great benefit.

To disparage the benefit is shameful.