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I would define crazy as someone who was a trained gun safety officer firing a round, usually under the influence, that darn near popped somebody in the head. But I guess we all have our own ideas of crazy now don't we.

Mcrae is married. Nice to make unsubstantiated allegations and not give your name.

my husband used to date Mcrae. She threatened to kill me and kill mtg children. She is a very unstable person.

it is not the 13th Judicial District it is the 13th Judicial Circuit- You are officially burned idiot. :devil:

[quote="Average Joe"]OMG some people are really dumb :oops: . But then if it weren't for dumb stupid people many of us would not be needed :shock:


:cop:[/quote]

This is the most intelligent thing said in this thread!!

OMG some people are really dumb :oops: . But then if it weren't for dumb stupid people many of us would not be needed :shock:


:cop:

Your post sounds like Snooki trying to speak Italian. Polizzi?
Listen, since you are unable to get basic comprehension, I will spell it out for you.
http://search.aol.com/aol/search?query=district+state+attorney%2C+13th+judicial+circuit&s_it=client91_searchbox
I did a search under district state attorney and guess what popped up?
Mark Ober's picture.
Please don't give them any more power than they already have. They are the district state attorney's office, not THE state attorney.

[quote]So you found out that I was right. It is the District State Attorney's Office. At least you can admit that.[/quote]
[b]No! YOU ARE WRONG.[/b] There is no "District" involved! it is a circuit court [b][u]not[/u] [/b]a district court. Are you unable to comprehend what you read?

Try this again. It is the "[b][u]State[/u][/b] Attorney's Office for the Thirteenth Judicial [b][u]Circuit[/u][/b]."

So you found out that I was right. It is the District State Attorney's Office. At least you can admit that.
What are you going to do, beat me up, forge some documents against me?
Why don't you pick on someone your own size instead of finding disabled veterans, chemo patients, or better yet, anyone with a severe handicapped. I wouldn't be bragging about that you know?

I love how street attorneys come on here all knowing and talking shiz but doesnt have the ballz to leave a name or a bar number.

[quote]Last time I checked, the DA's office is called the 13th Judicial District State Attorney's Office. If you need further verification, check their website.[/quote]
I did and the website clearly says "Welcome to the website of the [b][u]State Attorney's Office [/u][/b]for the Thirteenth Judicial [b][u]Circuit[/u][/b]."

No district to be found. This is not New York or television.

Last time I checked you are a mf'n moron that replies to their own posts and makes accusations without any facts to back them up. I'm pretty sure your posts are violation of TOS. :devil:

Where is the DA's office? Im pretty sure it's the SAO. Dimwit.

Here's the thing Saunders. You may think that you got away with almost sending an innocent person to jail for oh...about the next quarter century. You didn't. Everyone knows what games you are playing and from what I hear, all of your cases are on hold at the DA's office.
So I know that you will never man up and say what you really did to Mcrae but that's ok. Because in this line of work, your word is everything and no one is buying a thing of what you are selling anymore.
Your little buddies sold you out Saunders. They all said that you were the mastermind behind the Mcrae case. No one is backing you up. So everything is pointing back to you. So if it was someone else that forged those papers, you might want to start talking. The truth anyway. Not sure if you are able to do that.
You lied on the bible Saunders. Deal with it.

[quote="Guest"][quote="Guest"]There sure is a lot of false information here.
1) Dep. Saunders responded to a call of an aggravated assault. At the call there were two witnesses and a complainant. All three people completed written statements and signed an oath form. Dep. Saunders completed a report and direct filed charges on Mcrae. Mcrae was not present at the time the report was made, so she was never interviewed. Dep. Saunders then forwarded the report and cra to the SAO for review. The SAO reviewed the case for 5 months then issued a warrant. Mcrae was later arrested under that warrant. Dep. Saunders was not even there when she was arrested. I know this information because I have seen the report and spoken to Dep. Saunders about this. Dep. Saunders did not forge anything and whoever is claiming he did is guilty of libel. It’s clearly obvious when you look at the handwriting in the report.
2) I have known Dep. Saunders since he has worked with HCSO and have been on the same squad as him. He writes good reports and is thorough. That is probably the reason why he had all the witnesses and complainants write a written statement.
3) Yes, Dep. Saunders was charged with official misconduct back in 2002. All charges were later dropped. His agency who he worked for at the time did an IA investigation which resulted in clearing Dep. Saunders. FDLE also did an investigation since Dep. Saunders was charged, as they are required to do, and found that there was no probable cause to punish Dep. Saunders.

People should take the time and get accurate information before posting crap about a law enforcement officer in a public forum. It’s obvious either Mcrae or a friend of hers is posting false information on Deputy Saunders.[/quote]

I unlike yourself wont comment on things that I have no knowledge of. So I will address your (.3), statement. Facts are facts. The charges where not dropped or dismissed, period. He did enter a plea deal and it is a matter of record. He got the same any other normal first time offender got, no more, no less. But to say they where dropped is FALSE. If he was innocent he would have pled NOT GUILTY and taken it to court with the belief that the criminal system with do him justice. Court transcripts, which are available for a fee, or free to current bar members, tell the whole story. His attorney, with Saunders sitting right next to him, admitted to the charges and asked for PTI since this was his first offense. Not once did he or his attorney say not guilty. But dont worry I will print off the actual certified court transcripts, scan them, and then post them.

On another note. Since 1995 no state agency will ever release employment information other than yes or no to rehire. They will not, and they can not comment on job performance etc. Just yes he/she worked here, and yes/no they are able to be rehired. Do your homework. So since this was on my mind monday I went ahead and made a call to Key West P.D. (305)809-1111, and spoke to records department, who then transfered me to City of Key West Human Resources. The clerk looked up Saunders, and he is not eligible to be rehired. Pressed for more info the clerk said he is not able to be hired in any department of the City. So do your homework. If your gonna spew facts make sure they are real. Since the city, nor any other city/county/state departments will ever say if someone was fired I did some more digging. The newspaper "KeyNews" reported back in May 2002 that Off. Saunders was in fact fired for official misconduct, as reported to newspaper via press release from Chief of Police. So again if someone printed something like that and it was not true I would make sure it gets corrected.

Im not gonna sit here and slam anyone unless they are talking smack with nothing to back it up. Why my interest, lets just say his name came across my desk and Im looking into his background. Now if I was like most here I could list three pages of BS. But I will not. I'm waiting for certified records to come in before I comment, and I should have them this week. He is certainly interesting at this point. Hopefully for his sake the rest of the information coming is not true. So people, the number is above, and the rest is really easy to find online. Sure you might have to pay a couple bucks but who cares. Its almost always worth it.

HSCO recruitment forms state very clearly that you cant be hired if you have EVER been charged with a felony that the final disposition of the case was anything other than NOT GUILTY. Who knows its been awhile. I do know this, sheriff department or trash department, if you lie on a county application you can be terminated. It further states if you lie on your initial application and its later proven false you WILL be TERMINATED. The fact is people, GEE is not god. We might work under him, but we work for the county. Lets give this one a few days. Its only been on this offices radar a few days. If there is anything out there I assure you it will surface. Feel free to check the facts. If you still doubt I will post them for ya.

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Patrick_Saunders_4283930/[/quote]

[b]FYI- I was given a copy of the official depositions. One big mistake is that the main witness would not even sign her depositions. Further, I also looked at the HCSO oath form that Saunders claimed he gave to two other "witnesses" in the case. Two people said that they did not remember signing the form but if their name was on it, they must have signed it. One person Stanley Wisnesky said he did not have a financial relationship with the complainer when in fact it came out later that he did. He then backtracked and stated that he never saw anything at all.
The smallest and youngest neighbor child said that Mcrae was innocent and she was being falsely accused in depositions.
The complainers child (Scrivner) said mommy told him what to say in depositions and that Mcrae was also innocent.[/b][b]The "victim" said Mcrae was innocent and mommy told him to say that he hated her during depositions.
So if Saunders really did an investigation, he surely would have spoken to the same children that said she was innocent considering one is the victim.
Further, Stanley Wisnesky, never signed his name the way it was signed in depositions. Check every single document. It is a clear forgery. Others appear to have been forged as well.
Saunders has a colorful past considering he already took a plea bargain for official misconduct, lying under oath AND falsifying documents. No one could even say exactly what day they were charging Mcrae with. Not even the state attorney. No CAD reports ever surfaced that Saunders ever came down Mcrae's street the day he testfied that he did. And he said "UNDER OATH, SO HELP HIM GOD" in his deposition that he had never before had ANY disciplinary action taken against him. And one thing that bothers me still is that no one can seem to find an arrest warrant in this case. Since Mcrae challenged her case, several other people have come forward. One man with a very similar story to Mcrae's. It's creepy[/b]

How can someone go about obtaining The internal affairs reports/investigation in the Mcrae case?