Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

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Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/16/12 13:40:28

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Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 21:06:12

Guest wrote:To answer the original question: "Florida" does not insist on marked cars. If you look at the local agencies with significant aggressive driving units (PBSO, BSO etc) they exclusively use unmarked vehicles for this purpose. Unmarked vehicles are also used by some agencies for DUI enforcement. Other agencies that utilize a dedicated traffic unit, while not exclusively using unmarked, usually use slicktops for traffic enforcement.
The reason the Florida Highway Patrol does not use them anymore (or rather, is not replacing them) is due to the personal preference of one person: Colonel David Brierton, Director of the Florida Highway Patrol. He has made the decision that the agency won't use unmarked cars....and when you're Director you can make those type of decisions.
Personally, do I think it makes any sense? Absolutely not. For years we touted our unmarked aggressive. driving vehicles from the Jeep Grand Cherokees (remember those?) to the regular ol' Crown Vics, to the Mustangs, to the Marauders, to the Chargers. But not anymore.


Bingo!

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by S F LEO » 07/02/12 20:11:36

http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/enforce/deskbk.html#UVMV


Part Three: Setting Policy for Successful Traffic Enforcement Setting Policy for Successful Traffic Enforcement

The Motorcycle as a Traffic Enforcement Tool
Unmarked vs Marked Vehicles
Use of Aircraft for Traffic Enforcement

Marked Vehicles

Advantages:
Fully marked patrol vehicles provide high visibility to the motoring public and serve a two-fold purpose: Not only is a deterrent factor provided, but the public can readily identify a source of help during time of need.
paramount value is the physical protection provided by a fully marked patrol car. A light bar, spotlight and full markings offer maximum visibility, whether the officer is conducting a routine traffic stop or providing assistance along the highway. At the scene of traffic collisions or any blockage of the roadway, the protection provided by fully marked units is most valuable. Its presence not only offers physical protection to the officer and citizens at a scene but so warns aproaching traffic.
The fully marked patrol car also keeps liability to a minimum. It is obvious and indisputable in its authority. While the full markings and light bar offer an important safety element in a pursuit, they also ensure compliance with statutory requirements for felony charges of eluding pursuit (i.e., the defendant knew that it was a police officer attempting to stop him).

Disadvantages:
The light bars on the marked vehicle, because of wind resistance, negatively affect acceleration and top speed as well as fuel economy.
By virtue of their high visibility, fully marked vehicles create a “halo effect” within their immediate vicinity.
Violations, especially flagrant ones, occur less frequently in their presence. Experience indicates that the duration of the “halo effect” is relatively short-lived in the absence of the marked vehicle.



Unmarked Vehicles

Advantages:
Unmarked patrol cars offer, to some degree, stealth and anonymity. Within a police fleet, they can be valuable for travel, inconspicuous transport details, and non-line and supervisory or command transportation, as well as traffic functions.
As a traffic enforcement tool, unmarked vehicles may expose the officer to more frequent as well as more flagrant violations.
They can be especially valuable when used in the capacity of an “emphasis patrol” where chronic violators are being targeted.
Excessive speed, truck violations, radar detector reliance and erratic drivers can all be targeted with the unmarked patrol vehicle.
As previously noted, improved performance and economy are also a benefit of the patrol vehicle operated without the light bar.
Oddly enough, according to one Illinois survey, the semi-marked vehicle (no light bar) actually holds one safety advantage over the fully marked vehicle. This survey indicates that not only were proportionately fewer semi-marked vehicles involved in collisions, but they averaged less damage than their marked counterparts. The explanation suggested for this phenomenon was that police officers assume that roof-mounted emergency lights project unchallenged authority. When the light bar is removed, the officer has to become a more cautious driver.

Disadvantages:
Among the concerns with the totally unmarked vehicle are that they offer less visibility when responding to an emergency or when protecting an accident scene or traffic stop, especially when 360- degree protection or visibility on a high-speed highway from some distance down the road is required. Some argue, however, that the difference in safety at an accident scene is not as statistically significant as one might assume.
The unmarked vehicle does not immediately project the authority that the fully marked vehicle does. This reality may present particular problems in certain situations, such as a pursuit, where it is necessary to warn oncoming traffic of the presence of the police vehicle, or when stopping lone female occupants or persons who are carrying valuable cargo. The possibility of someone impersonating a police officer is greater in jurisdictions where unmarked units are used for traffic patrol.
The incorporation of unmarked vehicles into a police fleet also decreases the uniformity of the fleet, and makes it more difficult to investigate citizen complaints of officer misconduct with official vehicles.

Additional Considerations......

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 20:02:55

To answer the original question: "Florida" does not insist on marked cars. If you look at the local agencies with significant aggressive driving units (PBSO, BSO etc) they exclusively use unmarked vehicles for this purpose. Unmarked vehicles are also used by some agencies for DUI enforcement. Other agencies that utilize a dedicated traffic unit, while not exclusively using unmarked, usually use slicktops for traffic enforcement.
The reason the Florida Highway Patrol does not use them anymore (or rather, is not replacing them) is due to the personal preference of one person: Colonel David Brierton, Director of the Florida Highway Patrol. He has made the decision that the agency won't use unmarked cars....and when you're Director you can make those type of decisions.
Personally, do I think it makes any sense? Absolutely not. For years we touted our unmarked aggressive. driving vehicles from the Jeep Grand Cherokees (remember those?) to the regular ol' Crown Vics, to the Mustangs, to the Marauders, to the Chargers. But not anymore.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 19:48:22

Guest wrote:I drove marked patrol cars for 25 years and never had an issue getting activity either. In fact I routinely beat troopers who had unmarked cars in activity.

Sounds like this is just another trooper crying about something that does not matter nor enhances public safety. :lol:


Please retire grandpa. No one cares that you write more tickets than others.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 19:43:37

Guest wrote:Because marked patrol units are a proven deterrence while unmarked cars are proven to not deter anything. :oops:


Really? I would love to see your studies backing this up? You are clueless.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 19:41:56

FHP Old Timer wrote:Marked cars have worked fine for decades but now all of the sudden todays new breed can't figure out how to do the job unless they can hide to do it.

Says a lot about the new breed of cop and trust me what it says is not good. :oops:


If you work on a one lane road then you don't need an unmarked. Try working down here in Broward or Dade though, on a 6 lane Interstate with cars zig zagging between lanes at high rates of speed like maniacs. Good luck trying to shoot laser on the side of I-95 without getting killed.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 19:38:49

Guest wrote:I drove marked patrol cars for 25 years and never had an issue getting activity either. In fact I routinely beat troopers who had unmarked cars in activity.

Sounds like this is just another trooper crying about something that does not matter nor enhances public safety. :lol:


The OP didn't say you couldn't get activity. The OP is suggesting that unmarked cars will better target aggressive driving. There is a difference.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 19:37:04

Guest wrote:
Guest wrote:FHP can barely pay their Troopers. They are one of the highest turnover rates in Florida to police and sheriffs due to pay and better all around. Yet you come on here and babble about marked or unmarked cares about the cars how about the people driving them.


Listen here assbag, this is an OPEN FORUM. I selected a SPECIFIC topic and I put my thoughts down. That being said, NO one is arguing that the State of Florida does nothing to help FHP, particularly where salaries are concerned. I've said it many times and I'll say it again specifically for YOUR benefit, it makes me sick to see how FHP is so poorly regarded considering the monumental tasks they are charged with performing by statute. But, again I saw this particular article and I wondered aloud why FHP does not do more stealth operations and I thought other readers would enjoy another state's ideas on this same topic. Does every damn topic on this forum have to be concerning the poor pay and turnover for FHP? Yeah, I didn't think so either jerk. My God man, why don't you take some anger management courses?


I agree. It is a good topic.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 07/02/12 19:32:49

Guest wrote:This is an article out of Indiana regarding the Indiana State Police and their stance on the rise in roadway fatalities. I specifically liked the use of Indiana Department of Transportation Trucks as stealth vehicles for the purpose of stopping construction zone speeders. Col. Brierton, I hope somehow this article gets to your attention because Florida's roads are a total zoo not to the fault of FHP's rank and file. The people in Tallahassee are asleep at the wheel as usual.
http://heraldbulletin.com/local/x125487 ... -crackdown


Brierton is an idiot! Many State Police / Highway Patrols utilize unmarked cars for aggressive driving and reckless driving enforcement. Brierton think sitting on the side of the Interstate in a marked car with a light bar is going to solve all our problems.

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 06/28/12 21:17:38

LessPaint wrote:The only reason I want un-marked is because if FHP doesn't have to pay as much on paint jobs maybe we could all get a .25 cent raise this year!


How low FHP has sunk over the past 20 years. Please someone put this agency out of its misery. :oops:

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 06/27/12 00:26:24

Gee at $0.25 in 20 years that could be $5!

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by LessPaint » 06/26/12 20:30:15

The only reason I want un-marked is because if FHP doesn't have to pay as much on paint jobs maybe we could all get a .25 cent raise this year!

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by FHP Old Timer » 06/26/12 07:22:00

Marked cars have worked fine for decades but now all of the sudden todays new breed can't figure out how to do the job unless they can hide to do it.

Says a lot about the new breed of cop and trust me what it says is not good. :oops:

Re: Why does Florida insist on marked cars??

Post by Guest » 06/25/12 16:24:49

People want to see FHP cars before the agency goes under.

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