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SIR, I AM NOT A PINECREST OFFICER, BUT BEEN AROUND LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND CAN SAY. "YOU HAVE A PROBLEM HOUSTON" TO QUOTE A PHRASE ! POLICE OFFICERS DO BITCH ALLOT, BUT THATS BECAUSE WE NEED TO VENT. WE GET BEAT UP BY THE PUBLIC QUITE A LOT AND WHEN WE GET IT FORM OUR OWN ADMIN WHO WE LOOK TO FOR GUIDENANCE AND RESPECT AND DONT GET IT , WE EITHER EXPLODE OR IMPLODE. AFTER READING ALL THE BELOW LISTED, ID SAY SIR THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK CLOSE AT THE ADMIN OVER THERE AS THEY ARE THE GUIDE AS HOW THE DEPT WILL WORK OR IN THIS CASE WONT WORK. I AM NOT SO SURE THAT ALL THE OFFICERS ARE RIGHT EITHER BUT THE TOP COP IS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AS HE IS IN CHARGE ! THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTECTING YOU ARE LEAVING AND ARE NOT HAPPY ! :oops: YOU WANT THAT KIND OF PROTECTION, WHAT AN EMBARASSMENT. :cry: I HOPE YOUR CITY WILL FORM A BOARD TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL OPERATION OF YOUR DEPT HIRE AN OUTSIDE AGENCY TO LOOK DEEP INTO IT BEFORE YOU ARE DEEP IN THE CRAP WHICH IS CREEPING UP AROUND YOU. GOOD LUCK !

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Whats the big deal about Doral.......its going to be another dept. manipulated by the local politicians for their own personal gain

[quote="Preparation H"]Why don't you grow a pair and ask him yourself.[/quote]

LOL, THIS IS FUNNY!

Why don't you grow a pair and ask him yourself.

Hey guys can you post what is the deal with this guy Liotta, I have been told he was a real D!@K and LAZY when he was in the majic city?

YOU CAN APPLY ONLINE NOW

does anyone know when DoralPD goes online.

Your city will be better off incorporating into Coral Gables.

Uncle Bob;
It was nice to hear from you. I used to work in that shit hole. You hired me and gave me same great advice over the years and I am thankfull for it. I moved on to another agency outside Dade. It was the greatest thing I've ever did. If the present officers would only listen to you and leave they would be much happier, personal and professional. There is life outside Pinecrest. This is a great career field with unlimited opportunities, but so many will never learn that because of fear of leaving. Run and run fast I say.

Take care Uncle Bob and be safe.

Ladies and gents, take my advice and move on. Don't waste your time trying to convince the admin and city manager to do something they don't want to ever do. As a matter of fact, most of the residents don't want it either. The village manager and the chief have complete control over the department and the officers. Any sort of union will allow outisders to come in an take partial control and it will give the officers a voice, which is exactly what they DONT want. The PD gives back millions of dollars to the general fund every year. Don't you think that if they cared the tiniest bit about the rank/file, they would use that to increase the benefits? Take my advice as I used to work there in your position once. I have moved on to a real department, and never regret leaving. Nothing beats driving my take home car to the grocery store, and then going to fill up at the city pumps. I know that when I retire, i will have at least 20 years of service with an 80% pension. Not to mention some other really great benefits (like the drop plan) and other stuff.

If you want to experience what it's like to do real policework, come do a ride-a-long with some of your former comrades that have moved on. My advice, stay away from just as small/political departments like CG. Check out places like Miami Beach, Miramar, City of Miami, Hollywood, Fort Lauderdale, Miami Gardens, and others.

You have absolutely nothing to lose by leaving pinecrest. I left there a few years ago and I'm only a few thousand shy of six figures last year. The money at pinecrest can really be made up in other areas (retirement, healthcare, gas in the take-home, tons of off-duties, court time for solid arrests, overtime for swat/dive team/narcotics/robbery task force and many other operations) that small departments don't utilize.

YEAH LETS GET THE BALL ROLLING ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!

way to go uncle bob, very well written. stand as one and you will be one

[size=150]To All Pinecrest Officers: I have worked with many of you in the past and can tell you that you are some of the most professional and stand-up people I have ever known. We are friends, I have been to your homes (and you to mine) and I know your families, kids' names, etc. I would take a bullet for any one of you without a second thought....With that being said, if you haven't put in an application to every single decent agency in the tri-county area, then you are hurting yourself and your family by remaining at that awful, awful place.

How can you work there for more than 3 years and not think to yourself, "Boy, my family and I would sure be a lot better off with the benefits every other agency has in place already.", ???

Here are the facts about Pinecrest PD:
* No Pension or plans to ever have one.
* No Union representation/binding arbitration.
* No job security (aka "At-will employment")
* The pay is on the low end of the spectrum now.
* No take-home car program. ($3.20 a gallon now guys!)
* Medical/Dental/Insurance are subpar.
* Continual low morale across the board.
* Outside promotions.
* Constant "Witch-hunts" conducted followed by silly write-ups.
* The Chief, Admin and City Manager have all been voted several years in a row "THE WORST" by the Dade County PBA.
* How many officers have come and gone in the 10 years since incorporation? (Now compare to other agencies' turn-over rate within the same time frame) The Admin and city manager should all bow their heads down in disgrace as this statistic reflects their failure to properly administer the agency. As of two years ago, it was the HIGHEST turnover rate in all of South Florida. "Shameful" to say the least, yet they do nothing about it nor do they show they even care to address it....but hey, the tax rate for the residents is still really, really low! Woo hoo!

I can go on and on but most of you know these issues exist already. The question is my friends, [u]WHAT DO YOU PLAN ON DOING ABOUT IT ?[/u]
You have three options:
1. Apply elsewhere and leave. (Cross your fingers your file isn't loaded)
2. Stick it out and hope the city manager leaves sometime soon (along with most of the brass) and that they are replaced by professionals.
3. Grow some cojones and start talking to some Unions.

Now the third option is a risky one, believe me I know, but if you plan on making the Village your home-away-from-home for the next 30 years (remember, you dont have a pension so you cant retire 10 years sooner) then you need to protect yourselves. Every day that goes by where you don't have a strong police union behind you is another day you risk your entire future working for people who could care less about you or your family and who will fire you without blinking an eye. (Don't think it will never happen to you.)
The absolute WORST nightmare the Admin and city manager could dream up is to have a union in place. Why? Well because their "absolute power" will be called to the carpet, made public and they will not get away with 1/10th of what they have gotten away with up to this point.

My friends, so many of us have left because of the same problems/issues I mentioned above. With the exception of one or two people that I can think of, EVERYONE is doing a whole lot better in their new agency or other line of work. That's no coincidence. This is a result of going from working at the worst agency in south Florida to working someplace else...basically, everywhere is better than there.
Please do not take this as an insult to any of you personally or professionally. It's not the rank-and-file officers at the Village that are the problem....we all know where the cancer lies.

Call a union....you can do it anonymously is you feel necessary.

Dade County PBA: 305-593-0044

FOP: Vist http://www.floridastatefop.org

IUPA: (International Union of Police) Visit http://www.iupa.org
(North Miami Beach PD went with this union a few years back and are very happy with it!)

Teamsters Union: Visit http://www.teamster.org

Until next time, stay safe out there! :D [/size]