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six-pak
08-01-2006, 05:19 PM
It sure is a shame to read the dialog between Patrol and the Jailers. You guys need each other and that's the bottom line. You all should respect one another. Remember it's not just the agency personal who view this board.
Whatever. I'm not sure how we need each other. The County could be patrolled by a metro agency and it would have shit to do with the jail. Hacks have as much influence on our job as they do on a city cops, none. Two jobs, different and not equal. Tough shit, live with it and worry about your own problems.
Im sure youll run with that and take it as a slam. But youre talking apples and bananas.
Yes, we do need each other. Yes, there are many similarities. Yes, our training is just as good and provided by the same agency to the same degree, so long as you are certified, be it corrections or patrol. No, our road deputies will never stop disrespecting us. Yes, any state above mississippi treats its corrections officers with the dignity and respect they deserve; and they realize they are on the same team. No, our road deputies do not care that we work for the same agency and are supposed to be brothers and sisters. Yes, city officers do tend to treat us better because they understand what it is to be shit on by "the big green monster". And, yes, we do appreciate it. THAT is why I would not stay on the road with this agency. Unity, teamwork, and honor mean nothing here. Ignorance and disrespect by our law enforcement counterparts is just something we expect and accept. They will never understand, they will never change, and we will always mean shit to them. If they got off their high horse and realized that we not only don't give a shit that they drive patrol cars and that most of us do not want to be them (otherwise we would have joined as roaders), then maybe they could appreciate what we do and acknowledge our job. But that will never be.
Many "patrol deputies" are too narrow minded to understand they are no better than their counterparts working in a jail. The only way for some to comprehend this is to require all patrol folks to work a minimum of two years in the jail.
But, in order to due this would place an undue burden on the professionals who want to work in the jail environment. The upside is that an Agency could weed-out those with poor attitudes, poor communication skills, etc.....
You are a retard...
spoken like a true "narrow-minded" patrol deputy :shock:
Stop speeding on the bayside bridge, turn keys...
I do not look down on corrections, and I do not think that Deputys are better than jailers. I have no desire to work in the jail and appreciate those that do. With that said, please do not take the remainder of this post as a slam on corrections.
Working in corrections and being a police officer are not the same job. City officers and County Deputys do the same job for different agencys. Corrections personel are not doing the same job, and they are not police officers. Even if you handcuff Charlie Manson in a pod full of 72 lunatics with one hand tied behind your back. If you are that much of a badass then I am truly impressed and hope that you continue to be a one man reckoning force in the jail. You are doing a great job at what you do, keep up the good work.
AlwaysRIGHT
08-03-2006, 10:07 AM
I have given this Road vs. Jail issue a lot of thought. Why shouldn’t patrol deputies have a slightly higher salary? It takes a more skilled and intelligent person to do the job of a law enforcement officer. The LEO academy requires 3 more sections of instruction than the corrections academy so the college would probably agree. The field training for patrol is about 19 weeks long. I have heard many recruits are dropped at that point. Why would the agency be willing to allow such a high turnover during field training?
1) Patrol deputies are more visible to the public when on duty.
2) It is much more common for an LEO to go to court. (I have been a CO for 7 years and I have never seen a court room.)
3) An LEO initiates a serious legal process that can turn a “citizen” into an inmate.
4) A use of force is far more dangerous on patrol because it takes longer for assistance to arrive and the subject could be armed.
5) In a typical patrol scenario I imagine there would be a plethora of different problematic elements to deal with such as the weather, traffic, negative media coverage, interference from other agencies etc.
I have no salary-related complaints or inferiority complexes. I’m just glad I don’t have to deal with these things.
While I can appreciate your point of view "AlwaysRIGHT", I have to disagree. LEO work is more in depth, but it does not require a more intelligent or skilled person. The blocks of instruction they get that we don't are not anything collegiate. I started out as a Police Explorer when I was a kid and did a fantastic job and was a shoe in for the road when I worked it. I did that at 16 years old and carried through right until I left that and came to the jail. The road is not all that it is cracked up to be, nor is it as difficult as you have been lead to believe it is by road people who hate our job. Again, it is difficult, and it has depth to it, but our job can be too if you take it seriously and do it right rather than just doing your eight and hitting the gate. I will probably go back to the road someday, but dont sell yourself short on what you do by holding LEO's up to some light. As the "guest" before you so professionally pointed out, the jobs are different and neither one should be revered over the other. However, a common issue is the use of the words "police" and "officer". Corrections personnel are NOT "law enforcement" officers, but they are "corrections" officers. They are public servants the same as LEs and they are charged with public safety the same as LEs. Corrections officers are expected to stop and render aid in traffic accidents and any other situation that may arise in their presence. They are not to announce themselves as law enforcement, but they are obligated to act and attempt to assist in a situation. Corrections are a different kind of cop. They are NOT police, but they are cops. We have guns, we deal with assholes, we must maintain public awareness, we are public servvants, we must assist the public when an issue arising in our presence, we are liable for everything that we do, and we will come under investigation when we screw up. But, it IS a different kind of job. Sorry that was so long. Be safe everyone.
I'm sorry, I have had a stroke, did you just say......screw it allow me to quote you:
I started out as a Police Explorer when I was a kid and did a fantastic job and was a shoe in for the road when I worked it. I did that at 16 years old and carried through right until I left that and came to the jail.
Just how do you think sitting your juvenile ass in a cruiser, watching someone do the job, means you "worked it"? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. But I do know this, you have never "worked" the road. You may have seen it, but you have not done it. I love the statement "I will probably go back to the road someday." You were never there moron.
You sound like a well intentioned new guy that is full of energy and willingness to learn. But you don't know as much as you think you do. So I'm sorry if I'm a little offended that you think the road work doesnt take all that much.
You may also like to look up the definition of cop. Correction Deputies are no more cops, law enforcement officers, or police than State Correctional Officers or Department of Juvenile Justice turnkeys are.
You sound like an eager rookie in the jail. Dont let your brain rot in there.
Yes, moron you did get me wrong. I said I STARTED as a police explorer and was a shoe in. That phrase means that I got the position and worked it. I know more than you think I do and do have intentions of returning to the road one day. As for everything else you said, your just an ignorant ass and I won't even bother commenting on it. Thank goodness the rest of the posters in here are far more intelligent and mature than you. Sorry to hear about the stroke, apparently the lack of oxygen killed more of your brain than doctors originally thought. To all the Corrections OFFICER's in here, thanks for doing the job. To all of the POLICE OFFICERS in here that support us and don't hate us, thank you too. For the few left like "Say What?", you're an embarassment to public service.
Great you were a shoe in for being a explorer... By the way us "POLICE OFFICERS" dislike you turn keys just as much as the "REAL DEPUTIES" dislike you.
In my oppinion Coats can save me some money and civillianize your AZZ and contract the jail out.
To the real deputies, be safe "out there" bro's...
I hate to bring up the military thing again, but since the last guest that posted in here is a ****ing moron too, I only feel obligated. They can go ahead and decertify us. Contract the jail out, whatever. It just isn't worth debating with pussies like yourself. The individual police officer who felt it necessary to put his or her two cents in can go **** themself. Just realize big-shit that you too are "civilianized". Last I checked, you were a pig, not a soldier, marine, airman, or sailor. You ARE a civilian. So, if you want to try and sound hard, drop that bullshit on somebody else. Now, stop typing on your agency laptop, wriggle your overweight ass out of your cruiser without using the shoehorn, and try to do some real "cop" stuff. Just remember that you can knock on the jail all you want, but you'll never have the balls to work here. Also, realize that when I'm not working in the jail, I'm busy deploying over seas to keep your civilian ass safe at home eating potato chips and getting fat. All of this so that you can tell your next potential inmate what a piece of crap jailers are when they remark on your thick gelatinous waiste line.
This issue can be discussed until the cows come home. I've worked both jail and road and the road is so much more difficult than the road. I'll give you all a few examples:
Jail- Weapons:are there just extremely limited, you all do shakedowns and find the home made weapons.
Patrol- Weapons: are rampant and are at every call we go to, period. Home knives and seems everyone has a gun. And when I go into a house I can't do a shakedown.
Jail- Drunks: yes you have booking where all the drunks are brought in but the bad ones are in the tank or the real bad ones are on Charlie. Very small amount of deputies work with drunks.
Patrol- Drunks:A majority of calls involve drugs or drunks and we have to determine if the drunk needs to go to jail or not. Or better yet they sometimes are the victim and we need to arrest someone else. Not easy get info from a drunk.
Jail- Workload: I admit depending on what area and shift the jailers can work their butts off with moving inmates to sick call, law library etc. But it's no brainer stuff. Go to pod, call name, turn key, open gate. Been there done that.
Patrol- Workload: Can be quiet at times, but most of the time you are going from call to call and in between need to call in reports. Definitely need to think and apply education and experience on how to handle a call and what more needs to be done in every investigation.
Jail- 8 and hit the gate
Patrol- 8 and hit the reports, and perhaps traffic court. The next day, your day off may need to go to court as well.
Overall I respect both positions, but will tell you through previous experience in both, the road is by far tougher. Be honest the majority of jailers could not do what we do out on the road, period. But anyone can work in a jail. I know it's not an easy job and all, but eventually you are not intimidated by the atmosphere and get very proficient in turning a key and yelling a name.
Who cares!!!! Why dont you compare Deputies to Paramedics, it's different jobs!!! And now police explorers are chiming in?!?!?! There is no comparison to different jobs. Yall get the pay parity and the word "detention" dropped from your title and you think youre cops now. Give it a rest CO's. Youre no more cops than I'm a CO. Its a stupid argument, drop it. And that explorer shoe in turned CO, youre just Nick bedy in the making and thats scary.
Its so sad. Jailguards, be proud of your chosen profession. Ive worked both the jail and the street, and the street is a different beast all together. There is no comparison between the jobs. Lets look at it this way....
The Sheriff is the contractor building a house. He cant build the house by himself, so he subcontracts the work out. Jailers are the electricians. LEOS are the Carpenters. Both have equally as much responsibility in the construction of the home, and the contractor needs both of them to get the job done.
The problem is, the contractor dresses the electricians up just like the carpenters. The contractor hires the electricians making statements like, "Do 2 years in the jail and we will pull you for the road" making them think that they have a chance of going to the road in 2 years. The contractor hires electricians who really secretly want to be carpenters. The contractor has also been known to send carpenters to be an electricians if that person doesnt know his job or is a total screw up. The electricians have no self identity because of this, so they constantly try to pawn themself off as carpenters to the unsuspecting. Since the electricians have convinced themselves that they are carpenters and not electricians, they speed in their personal vehicles while dressed in a common uniform. That pisses the carpenters off, because the electricians put them in a bad spot by driving like assholes. The carpenters dont go to the electricians workplace (The jail) and raise hell in their pods, but the electricians dont mind stirring up the shit out of the jail, and trying to build cabinets when they dont have a clue WTF they are doing. The carpenters are puzzled by the fact that most of the electricians arent proud of their own trade, and amused when they build 3 legged chairs.
Carpenters that were once electricians get a kick out of hearing the new electricians try and explain in this forum how dangerious the jail is, and how complex the job is. Its rather entertaining to hear, because these carpenters know its BULLSHIT. The carpenters just want the electricians to stop trying to be.... well.... carpenters.
I have worked for pcso for almost 18 years.....and I really don`t know what all the gripes are.
I have met countless deputies and city police officers and have in fact made friends with some of then.
I must say that I never once felt that I was treated any diffrent because of the fact that I am a jailguard. Seems to me that there are many more important issues to discuss here on this message board besides knocking each other....
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