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I've got to give you this - your quasi-literate rants have served to keep this part of the message board active.
Your thought process is limited, but your desire to see an alleged offender brought to justice is commendable.
However, your refusal to accept the fact that the S.O. is unable to make a case and the SAO will not prosecute indicates an unfortunate disconnect from reality.
As has been observed on another thread - we don't catch them all. Many criminals are never apprehended; many others are caught but not tried; and others beat the rap in court.
No one faults your indignation over seeing one get away.
But for the sake of your own mental health, get over your obsession with this case.
everyone is entitled to say what ever they want when they want. who do you think you are? obviously anti i/a feels strongly about the situation. i must have missed the memo that said we needed your permission to post a comment. save your lame lecture for someone who gives a crap.
We can add "hcso rd" to the aliases of anti i/a.
(Sorta makes you think that I can look at IP addresses, doesn't it?)
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if you could dumb ass you'd know that i'm not anti i/a!!!!
of course im concerned they are saying that it is simply her word against her dads but there are people in jail with less evidence then that...like i said her mom is a current deputy and i would think that would matter to hcso but they would rather it go away because the victims dad was a deputy at orient and dont want a black eye...again im really suprised hcso is concerned about a lawsuit for their inaction...well i can tell u they should be.....
simpleman
07-17-2006, 10:48 PM
anti i/a, andrew, and rd
Y'all remind of the words from a song that applies to your emotionally based retoric. "Nothing from nothing leaves nothing" That is all that you have and will ever have regarding this issue. Someone very correctly posted that is the Detective and the State determined that prosecution wasn't viable then so be it. And since the ultimate determination is made by the SAO your posting here accusing everyone of a coverup is really quite boring. Click on the link for your helpful hint of the day. http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/
simple man u remind me of an old dirty redneck!
hope u never have to experience the pain they are
well now maybe u will believe me - and since this is public info it is allowed on the board
look up case 06-3259--thirteenth judicial circuit or try 06-dr-003259 if that doesnt work
restraining order on ex dep for sexual abuse of his child--why not arrested..u doubted me before but i did the research and got ya the case number the rest is up to u
go to the papers or go to FDLE if you think there has been injustice since the case has been closed. My guess is that you have done that and everyone says the same thing.......no case.
well actually the press is very interested but the family doesnt want to really go that route and expose the daughter to the public and her friends
since this came to light there have been other people arrested for the same thing with no physical evidence but the state went after them...makes ya wonder doesnt it and the restraining order does state that she was molested by the father(ex-dep) and the judge questioned why he wasnt arrested and said he should be,,,, i guess judges know nothing ... keep in mind the judges statements are on record and hcso and the state still ignored it.....lets face it black eyes hurt
And so many thoght that HCSO would be such a better place without Sheriff Henderson :roll:. Now we know how stupid we all were :oops: .
Many on the inside at HCSO are praying that someone steps up after the November elections are over and makes a real run for Sheriff. The sooner the public can get the Gee administration out, the better for all. At this point I would even vote for Rocky.
And so many thoght that HCSO would be such a better place without Sheriff Henderson :roll:. Now we know how stupid we all were :oops: .
Many on the inside at HCSO are praying that someone steps up after the November elections are over and makes a real run for Sheriff. The sooner the public can get the Gee administration out, the better for all. At this point I would even vote for Rocky.
You keep floating that trial baloon for Rocky. :roll:
Forget it! The man has so many skeletons in so many different closets that that he couldn't win if he had endorsements from the Pope, the Lubavitcher Rabbi and the President of the Southern Baptist Convention. 8)
And, contrary to your position, the Sheriff is well liked by the general public, the local media and the political establishment. His innovations in traffic enforcement, gang suppression and other areas important to the citizens of this county are popular. If you don't like working for him you might want to start sending out some job applications. :wink:
If only the truth was known
And so many thoght that HCSO would be such a better place without Sheriff Henderson :roll:. Now we know how stupid we all were :oops: .
Many on the inside at HCSO are praying that someone steps up after the November elections are over and makes a real run for Sheriff. The sooner the public can get the Gee administration out, the better for all. At this point I would even vote for Rocky.
You keep floating that trial baloon for Rocky. :roll:
Forget it! The man has so many skeletons in so many different closets that that he couldn't win if he had endorsements from the Pope, the Lubavitcher Rabbi and the President of the Southern Baptist Convention. 8)
And, contrary to your position, the Sheriff is well liked by the general public, the local media and the political establishment. His innovations in traffic enforcement, gang suppression and other areas important to the citizens of this county are popular. If you don't like working for him you might want to start sending out some job applications. :wink:
Oh yes, and if would read what was posted.......it was stated that the inside would go for Rocky........that is how bad it is now from within. Morale is at an all time low, and with low morale comes lousy service. I never was floating Rocky for Sheriff, just that many of those from within that did not like the man, would take him in a heart beat.
This agency has been under the control of people that have handed the Office over from administration to administration. The place needs a little cleaning.
OK, let's talk about it in a non-confrontational manner.
Put yourself in David Gee's position on the day he was elected.
You are now the sheriff.
Who would you have appointed:
1. As Chief Deputy,
2. To the Colonel's positions,
3. To the Major's positions?
These are all appointed positions. You can select from within or from the outside. There are no civil service qualifications for the positions. The persons you appoint need not have any law enforcement experience.
Who would you have appointed from inside the agency? Remember, you can reach down and pick a slick-sleeve deputy, or even a civilian.
Who would you have appointed from outside the agency? Remember that there has been a tradition of bringing in high ranking officers who are retiring from other police agencies, particularly from TPD.
I'd be interested in seeing some real-live names named.
How would you have staffed "the staff?"
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CD.......you have several choices, Greg Brown or Gene Stokes. Bob Shrader would also be a good canidate.
Cols.......two of the above three that do not make it.
Majors......lets start off with Mary Tully. Legal says it is not a conflict to promote her. She has done a great job at D1. That leaves Docobo and Hawkins still at their rank they had prior to the election.
Interesting response.
What you've done is remove Docobo and Hawkins from the staff level and added Mary Tully. The removals could represent a significant change in the decision making process.
Incidentally, it can't be a conflict to appoint Mary Tully to a Major position because the Sheriff can appoint ANYONE to a Major's position. There are no criteria imposed from the outside for these spots.
Is there no one else on the current staff you would not have promoted, would have fired or who were already Majors who you would have demoted to the Civil Service protected rank of Captain?
Can you think of no "outsiders" who you would consider for staff positions?
Ooops. My error.
If you left Docobo and Hawkins at their previous positions as Majors they would still be on "staff" and they would still be at the table. So you have substantially changed nothing.
Anyone with any ideas that would give a staff acceptable to the rank and file, or are you ready to admit David Gee made a fine selection all around?
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not so fast there. With leaving them as Majors they could be shipped just about anywhere....like to a jail :D .
There would be those above that could keep them in check. As it is now they have free raine of the Office................and it shows. I do not think your Terry's, Stokes, and Brown's of this Office would allow Docobo and Hawkins the power they have now.
No matter where you assigned Docobo and Hawkins as Majors, they would still be at the staff table with a voice.
I find it interesting that no one has chimed in to suggest any really significant staff changes that Gee should have made when he was elected. Could it be that when you stop and think about it, he made pretty good selections in view of what he had available to him?
I'm sure some folks are horrified to realize that if they had been elected sheriff they couldn't have come up with a staff much different from what we have. Maybe (but I doubt it) this realization will cut down on some of the incessant grumbling about who Gee selected.
And the poster who keeps pumping for "someone from west Tampa or south Tampa with a lot of money behind him to run" let me say that if an "outsider" came in he couldn't affort to wipe out the entire staff and fill the positions with political cronies without seriously damaging the agency and the morale of the employees. "Institutional memory" is an important factor in decision making at the staff level.
Look at your current Lieutenants and Captains. In all likelihood some of them will be the Majors and Colonels of the Sheriff's Office in the course of the next two election cycles. If you think you don't like what the future holds perhaps you should move on to another job now. Or just keep quiet and do your job without complaining, realizing that the way things are is the way things are going to be.
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Nothing wrong in complaining as long as your complaint has a suggestion attached to it in an attempt to fix something "you" think is a problem.
And so what if they still sit at the staff table. I know many majors that will tell you all they can do is sit and listen as those above control the show. At least they would have people above them that maybe would not hold them so high almighty. Many feel that with just 2 gone form the picture, the place would be a nice nicer place. But you know what, we can only speculate, as many thought things would be better once the old sheriff was gone. Now many would love to have hime back.
We seem to be in fairly close agreement.
Nice exchange of views with no name calling.
Good thread.
Thanks.
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