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Sex offenders can no longer live within 2,000 feet of public or private schools, parks, playgrounds or licensed childcare centers. That means 99,5 percent of Tulsa is now off limits.
That will create clusters of sex offenders all living together in the few remaining areas that are legal. News on 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright looks at how laws with good intentions are having some unintended consequences.
Tulsa Police detective Tim Lawson: "The Governor signed emergency enaction, 12 to 15 different laws that deal with sex offenders." Detective Lawson's job is to educate sex offenders, when they come into register, where they can and cannot live. He just received a map Monday that shows sex offenders cannot live anywhere in the green, red or blue circles.
The News on 6 went to one of the little white areas that are allowed, other than one apartment complex, it's all commercial buildings and a highway. "It basically limited the entire city. Might be 12-14 blocks in the city where sex offenders can reside."
Other cities across the state are the same because the laws are statewide. Tulsa Police opposed the laws because they grouped all sex offenders into the same category, even though all sex offenders don't pose the same threat. "The lady who exposed herself at a concert is not the same threat as the guy perpetrating on children at a daycare."
One man pleaded no contest to raping his 42-year-old ex-girlfriend, yet he can't live near children and Tulsa Police must spend as much time monitoring his address as the person who preyed.
Another reality is the vast majority of people who molest children did so to a relative inside their own home, not to strangers at playgrounds or daycare’s. The original sex offender law was to make them register so citizens could know where offenders live and protect themselves, but has now gone well beyond that. "There's only going to be so much before there's lawsuits and the pendulum will swing back the other way and we'll lose ground as opposed to maintaining the integrity of the act as it was initially written."
Tulsa Police also fear these laws will drive sex offenders underground, they won't register and police won't know where they live and society will be worse off than when police at least knew where they lived.
The sex offenders the News on 6 talked to say they feel this is the only crime where the punishment never ends. When murderers get released, they can live anywhere they want.
One man pleaded no contest to raping his 42-year-old ex-girlfriend, yet he can't live near children and Tulsa Police must spend as much time monitoring his address as the person who preyed.
Another reality is the vast majority of people who molest children did so to a relative inside their own home, not to strangers at playgrounds or daycare’s. The original sex offender law was to make them register so citizens could know where offenders live and protect themselves, but has now gone well beyond that. "There's only going to be so much before there's lawsuits and the pendulum will swing back the other way and we'll lose ground as opposed to maintaining the integrity of the act as it was initially written."
Tulsa Police also fear these laws will drive sex offenders underground, they won't register and police won't know where they live and society will be worse off than when police at least knew where they lived.
The sex offenders the News on 6 talked to say they feel this is the only crime where the punishment never ends. When murderers get released, they can live anywhere they want.
at last a police office with a brain.....they will be drummed out of the PBA right along with the Iowa Prosecutor's Association.
who realize if you just keep pushing and pushing...it's gonna eventually cost you everything when the courts finally say enough is enough.
[quote="Pink Panther":13orobok]
One man pleaded no contest to raping his 42-year-old ex-girlfriend, yet he can't live near children and Tulsa Police must spend as much time monitoring his address as the person who preyed.
Another reality is the vast majority of people who molest children did so to a relative inside their own home, not to strangers at playgrounds or daycare’s. The original sex offender law was to make them register so citizens could know where offenders live and protect themselves, but has now gone well beyond that. "There's only going to be so much before there's lawsuits and the pendulum will swing back the other way and we'll lose ground as opposed to maintaining the integrity of the act as it was initially written."
Tulsa Police also fear these laws will drive sex offenders underground, they won't register and police won't know where they live and society will be worse off than when police at least knew where they lived.
The sex offenders the News on 6 talked to say they feel this is the only crime where the punishment never ends. When murderers get released, they can live anywhere they want.
at last a police office with a brain.....they will be drummed out of the PBA right along with the Iowa Prosecutor's Association.
who realize if you just keep pushing and pushing...it's gonna eventually cost you everything when the courts finally say enough is enough.[/quote:13orobok]
Not with this Supreme Court who should be in place for quite a few years.
[quote="Pink Panther":1uxuevjb]
One man pleaded no contest to raping his 42-year-old ex-girlfriend, yet he can't live near children and Tulsa Police must spend as much time monitoring his address as the person who preyed.
Another reality is the vast majority of people who molest children did so to a relative inside their own home, not to strangers at playgrounds or daycare’s. The original sex offender law was to make them register so citizens could know where offenders live and protect themselves, but has now gone well beyond that. "There's only going to be so much before there's lawsuits and the pendulum will swing back the other way and we'll lose ground as opposed to maintaining the integrity of the act as it was initially written."
Tulsa Police also fear these laws will drive sex offenders underground, they won't register and police won't know where they live and society will be worse off than when police at least knew where they lived.
The sex offenders the News on 6 talked to say they feel this is the only crime where the punishment never ends. When murderers get released, they can live anywhere they want.
at last a police office with a brain.....they will be drummed out of the PBA right along with the Iowa Prosecutor's Association.
who realize if you just keep pushing and pushing...it's gonna eventually cost you everything when the courts finally say enough is enough.
Not with this Supreme Court who should be in place for quite a few years.[/quote:1uxuevjb]
and that is where the thread on "sex offender restrictions may backfire" comes in....just what's going to happen if the local, state and federal govt keep passing 1,000's of new laws applying to sex offenders and making them retroactive in direct violation of the US Constitution and i'm sorry it doesn't take the us supreme court to say they are punishment the very words of the politicians passing them say that....if those 600,000 plus sex offenders say take your new law and spin on it? now what i know alabama is having to to juggle inmates to keep their DOC Direction out of his own prison on direct orders of a judge...you think he has room for 20-30 thousand new prisoners? and more importanly if they decide they have nothing to lose and aren't going quietly just because they are tired of trying to keep up with a never ending always changing set of rules? even if Pres Bush got the ideal to call out the army to arrest them....we don't have one...it's spread across the planet worrying about everybody else's problems.
[quote="worried citizen":53n64ac7][quote="Pink Panther":53n64ac7]
One man pleaded no contest to raping his 42-year-old ex-girlfriend, yet he can't live near children and Tulsa Police must spend as much time monitoring his address as the person who preyed.
Another reality is the vast majority of people who molest children did so to a relative inside their own home, not to strangers at playgrounds or daycare’s. The original sex offender law was to make them register so citizens could know where offenders live and protect themselves, but has now gone well beyond that. "There's only going to be so much before there's lawsuits and the pendulum will swing back the other way and we'll lose ground as opposed to maintaining the integrity of the act as it was initially written."
Tulsa Police also fear these laws will drive sex offenders underground, they won't register and police won't know where they live and society will be worse off than when police at least knew where they lived.
The sex offenders the News on 6 talked to say they feel this is the only crime where the punishment never ends. When murderers get released, they can live anywhere they want.
at last a police office with a brain.....they will be drummed out of the PBA right along with the Iowa Prosecutor's Association.
who realize if you just keep pushing and pushing...it's gonna eventually cost you everything when the courts finally say enough is enough.
Not with this Supreme Court who should be in place for quite a few years.[/quote:53n64ac7]
and that is where the thread on "sex offender restrictions may backfire" comes in....just what's going to happen if the local, state and federal govt keep passing 1,000's of new laws applying to sex offenders and making them retroactive in direct violation of the US Constitution and i'm sorry it doesn't take the us supreme court to say they are punishment the very words of the politicians passing them say that....if those 600,000 plus sex offenders say take your new law and spin on it? now what i know alabama is having to to juggle inmates to keep their DOC Direction out of his own prison on direct orders of a judge...you think he has room for 20-30 thousand new prisoners? and more importanly if they decide they have nothing to lose and aren't going quietly just because they are tired of trying to keep up with a never ending always changing set of rules? even if Pres Bush got the ideal to call out the army to arrest them....we don't have one...it's spread across the planet worrying about everybody else's problems.[/quote:53n64ac7]
I wouldnt put it past Fox News and O Reilly and them to call for the National Guard to round up sex offenders in a military makeshift prison like Gitmo
Actually g'mo may be a little full. How about we work out a deal with Mexico? We take your illegal immigrants and you take our perverts? I can't believe intelligent people actually give a crap if a new law is passed that makes life tougher for sex offenders. They made a choice to violate the law and that choice will affect the rest of their life and they should have to live with the consequences of their actions. 8)
Actually g'mo may be a little full. How about we work out a deal with Mexico? We take your illegal immigrants and you take our perverts? I can't believe intelligent people actually give a crap if a new law is passed that makes life tougher for sex offenders. They made a choice to violate the law and that choice will affect the rest of their life and they should have to live with the consequences of their actions. 8)
and i can't belive that intelligent people have forgtten the lessons of history...that when you take the right's from any one person or group you set the stage to take them from everybody...no one is saying an individual who commits a crime shouldn't be punished...but those consequences you talk about are laid out in the laws and rules in effect at the time of the crime...and the decisions to take it to trial or to take a plea are based on those laws....all we are saying is you can't come back decades later and change it. and change it and change it and change it. for some reason it seems to be ok to violate the us constitution when it comes to sex offenders.....i mean let a prosecution tell a jury we think last year he sold drugs or last year we are pretty sure he stold a car but he was never even charged let alone convicted and sit back and see what the defense lawyer let alone the judge does!!! would be an automatic mistrial with prejudice! and nobody can see that the registries and the companion laws based on them are anything but punishment!!! which means sooner or later they will be overturned as the us supreme court ruling that allowed it was 5-4 and it was allowed as it was only information...gonna be awful hard to argue that now will a straight face!....
two more very good articles...one showing the truth and the other exposing a media generated lie.
the good
http://www.livescience.com/othernews/06 ... panic.html (http://www.livescience.com/othernews/060516_predator_panic.html)
and the lie
http://www.livescience.com/othernews/06 ... anger.html (http://www.livescience.com/othernews/060407_stranger_danger.html)
seems even the media is starting to realize they can't keep telling these lies.
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