BROTHERHOOD LOST ON SIESTA KEY

Once again the SSO shows what many of their deputies are made of. This time they lock up a brother city officer on Siesta Key, only to have to unarrest him later. What a crock. While I know it may only be a few of our so-called brothers that do this, we have a TERRIBLE reputation for locking up our own. Oh, I know we will see a few posting from ***** cat cops who say it was in the name of safety, or some other lame excuse. Bottom line, you are either a piece of garbage or you are not, add two more to our list! Sorry SPD!

VERY SAD!

I agree..., worse part is most of the cops we lock up have their cases dropped or dismissed.

Im usually the one screaming rat but....The guy was asked by management to leave. He refused, screaming racism like a true racist does.

The Deputies asked him to leave. He didnt. The Deputies cant walk away from that or the property owner would flip out, and rightly so.

This isnt a traffic stop where we could nod, smile and tell the Lt to have a nice day. The Lt was acting like a retard in a crowded bar.

The Lt was wrong. He is the a-hole for putting the Deputies in that position. I am glad that he is not being prosecuted, but he should be sanctioned by the PD. I hope that he will learn from his mistakes. I doubt he will. He seems to have the "It only happened because im BLACK" mentality. :roll:

Why is it that asking someone to dress and behave like a gentleman has anything to do with race anyhow?

I'd like to know where you got yur facts, I've seen the report, did you? No where in it is racism noted. And The Lt. Should be treated with respect here, even tho he may have made a mistake. But beolieve me it had nothing to do with race.

Hes the one complaining of race, not me.

You can't/shouldn't put cops in compromising situations. Sometimes you can manage without getting too serious. Sometimes you can't. I dread The day a fellow officer does that to me in a crowded public place. Let me end by saying that I'm not writing about this incident necessarily. I don't know the circumstances.

I would not like to see another LEO being arrested for anything. But the facts speak for themselves. The LT. was asked to leave by management, he refused. He was warned in the presence of LEO's to leave by management, he refused. He was warned by LEO's to leave, he refused. He was told he must leave by LEO's or he would be arrested, he refused. It sounds like the deputies did everythig but beg him to just walk away and be a man about it, he refused.

The LT. should have had enough respect for the LEO's in uniform to leave without forcing the deputies to take some type of action. He was given every ample opportunity to cooperate, he refused. The LT. pushed the issue and was doing everything he could do to make a tolerable situation intolerable. FOR AN OFF DUTY LEO TO CHALLANGE AN ON DUTY LEO BY NOT COOPERATING IN A PUBLIC SETTING IS PUSHING FOR TROUBLE AND DISRESPECFUL OF A BROTHER LEO! I am also willing to bet you the on duty deputies spoke to managemnt about who he was and had some influence as to the WP being signed.

And don't say this is an SSO problem either. I recall SPD arresting a CCSO deputy at Inxtremis several years ago. Full ride to jail, mug shot, photos and bail out. SPD also got very heavy handed with one of our own SIB guys who was working as a UCO, even after he identified himself to them.

Hey, its all be BS. You are either a RAT or not, two more RATS identified in the SSO.

You don't lock up other cops, PERIOD! GOT IT?

Hey, its all be BS. You are either a RAT or not, two more RATS identified in the SSO.

You don't lock up other cops, PERIOD! GOT IT?It's not that simple. The SSO is not crooked, but I'm starting to wonder if SPD is crooked.

Sometimes when I look at our court system, it makes me wonder if SPD is using underhanded tactics becuase many SPD cases are not thrown out of court, while many FHP and SSO cases are. It makes me wonder if SPD has backroom deals with judges or if they are "pressuring" prosecutors to go forward with bad cases that should be thrown out of court. Remember the homeless bum (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060506/NEWS/605060373/-1/INDEX) who was beat up without provocation, according to multiple witnesses??? Well, the prosecution is "moving forward" with a prosecution of obstruction against the bum when he didn't resist the SPD officers, according to all the witnesses.

It looks to me like SPD has a pattern of corruption and they've had it for many years. There are too many allegations of SPD officers "beating up" suspects -- without provocation. They call it "street justice." Well, street justice is illegal. It's up to the courts to punish defendants -- and not SPD street officers. :roll:

Am I a rat??? I'm an honest, law abiding citizen & LEO who has "seen too much" and I don't support what I've seen. Over the years, I've seen too many bloody defendants who were "beat up" by SPD when all they did was run. Save the punches guys. You don't have a legal right to assault a citizen who isn't physically fighting you. :twisted:

If being an honest LEO makes me a rat... and if wanting to support the constitution of the United States makes me a rat... and if being unwilling to "keep silent" for SPD officers makes me a rat... then yes... I'm a rat. But at least I'm an honest rat and not a corrupt officer. :!:

First off I do not believe SPD is crooked or has any back door deals with prosecuters and judges. That is a crazy assertation. However, an off duty cop never challanges an on duty cop and try to make them look bad in public. Who is the real rat here? When an off duty treats on duty like crap, he deserves what he gets.

And yes SPD did X15 a CCSO Sgt just after they X15 his girlfriend and he was trying to calm her down, which the SPD officers determined to be obstructing justice. The CCSO Sgt. identified himself with badge & ID before they X15 his girlfriend. Yes SPD did injur an SSO narc who was in the middle of a deal and roughed him up enough that he needed surgery to fix what was injured. The roughing up came after he identified himself. So that is not B.S.

With that said, everyone needs to look at their own behaviour on and off duty and think about the impact they have on other LEOs. Don't do something that could get you locked up. If you do and its in public, don't expect another LEO to get fired and decertified because you are an ass and broke the law in a very public setting.

"You don't lock up other cops, PERIOD! GOT IT?"

No, you hope another cop doesn't put you in a jam. If so, you do the best you can. Just be glad it wasn't you that responded to the call. Like I said, 20 on, but I know lots of ways that I could be arrested and the on duty folks would have their hands tied. I won't ask SPD, the poster, not agency, if he understands what I mean because it is kinda irrelevant.

1. The SPD lieutenant was drinking alcohol. He wasn't trashed, but he clearly had way too much -- and that's probably why he was soooooo argumentative and pushy and demanding and defiant to the on-duty LEOs.

2. Two things will cause a cop to lose his badge quicker then anything else: booze and broads. :?

3. I would never think of arguing with on-duty police officers when I'm:
a) off-duty and
b) drinking at a bar.

4. That SPD lieutenant make a rookie 101 mistake. :roll:

5. It's cops like that SPD lieutenant who give all of us a bad name. :twisted:

6. Lt. Lucius Bonner (http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060506/NEWS/605060544/-1/INDEX) should write a letter-of-apology, but he'll refuse because of "pride," which is what got him in hot water in the first place. :roll:

Since when is having your shirt untucked at Gilligans a violation of dress code???? A dress code at Gilligans is news to me. Gillians is undoubtedly the ANUS of Siesta Key!!!! I have been there before and from what I could see if you had money they'd let just about anyone in! Some of the most disgusting people in Sarasota hang out there. However, I agree the LT. shouldn't have put the Deputies in such a compromising position...

Could it be the manager was a former LEO....?????

THE LT MADE A VERY BAD MISTAKE ACTING OUT IN PUBLIC. THE WAY THE LT ACTED IS THE SAME WAY OUR X15'S ACT OUT IN PUBLIC. WE ARE A HIGHER BREED SO PLEASE LT ACT THAT WAY. I COMMEND THE SSO FOR HOW IT WAS HANDLED.

if you are an off duty cop you never act that way and if you are an off duty LT you have no excuse to ever act that way. sorry LT your in the bad and you have mud on your face and thats your problems grow up and act like a LT&leo not like your normal bar patron pissed off control yourself and maybe some anger management is in order for you..

It is AMAZING to me how many SSO RATS justify time after time locking up other cops. DUI could kill, LT should not act that way, Other were watching....Friggin unreal. We can all come up with excuses or we can do what we should do, and NOT LOCK UP COPS.

So many excuses, even more RATS! You'll call for a backup someday.

It real simple. Dont go out and drink and be an A&*( then expect courtesy especially in the public view. No matter what if your drinking and off duty why would you draw attention like that to yourself. The LT was wrong and the Deputies had a job too do. Oh and who are you too challenge a private establishment dress code. If thats the rules deal with it.

What would you suggest that the Deputies do? Walk away from a crime in full view of the complainant and the public?! Are you serious? I dont know who the officers involved are but I assume that they have bills to pay and families to feed. Walking away from that incident would have gotten them screwed by the media and our useless leadership.

I would like to hear Mr. righteousness's suggestion on how he would have handled the situation.

When an officer makes the rank of lieutenant or captain, he is expected to know how to handle himself in public.

But...

Alcohol was involved and alcohol changes our behavior. It makes some people loud and argumentative -- and it appears that that's how it affected the lieutenant. :shock:

When I drink in public, I always try to keep a low profile because I know that my judgement is "off." If someone challenges me, I always walk away. I never identify my status as a LEO. Low profile is my motto when I'm drinking off-duty. ;)

You dont arrest other cops, period! You all need to talk to some of the older Deps for some tips.

None of the people that are saying that they wouldnt have arrested the Lt have said what they WOULD have done.

Please enlighten all of us rats that are interested in keeping our jobs, :roll:

Answer = It isn't the way it use to be. We are constantly in the public's gunsights. If you walk away from a crime in progress and take no action while being watched by the complainant/victim and the public in general, then you are not worthy of holding the job you have been hired to do.

If you are a cop and break the law in the public's watchful eye and challange the authority of on duty cops in public forcing what are supposed to be your brother LEOs to take action, then you have outlived your career. I would never ask a brother LEO to risk his job, future pension, life's savings and family's security by overlooking my rectal-cranial criminal behavour .

There is a difference in cutting some slack on a traffic ticket or other minor issues that don't involve the public. Another poster said it well, tell me what you would do? "Don't arrest him" is not an explination. Escorting him out and releasing him out of view may be an option but not when he puts up a struggle.

For the one that keep saying SSO=rats. Look at your own agency. Perhaps its the rats that keep sticking thier noses in the mouse trap. Only so many of you can get busted breaking the law before the rest of us question your integrity.

Deiter, Never arrest another cop? Where do you draw the line? Simple battery, agg battery, sex battery, capital sex battery, attempted murder or do they walk on the murder charge also? The word never does not belong in our vocabulary.

For the one that keep saying SSO=rats. Look at your own agency. Perhaps its the rats that keep sticking thier noses in the mouse trap. Only so many of you can get busted breaking the law before the rest of us question your integrity.Remember when SPD hired an allstar football player??? The allstar footplayer (and his partner) made an arrest... and they made the defendant park his car... and while they were inprocess the defendant, the allstar football player left the jail and went to the defendants car and picked up a cinderblock and smashed out the defendant's window and then burglarized the car and stole the defendants stuff -- and then the allstar football player returned to the jail. :roll:

Remember when the SSO deputy was burglarizing sig 49s...

Nuff said. :shock:

I remember both very well. There are enough cheeze sniffers to go around. I just don't like the finger being pointed at one agency.

Deither, I am mistaken, you did not say "never." My bad.

From an older Dep. The comment made from the inexperienced person slinging mud about "You dont arrest cops" I can appreciate your comment but in the same argument, you dont put other officers in that position. That city officer/LT owes those Deputies a major apology for putting themselves in a position like that. There hands were tied and there was no other way around it. Its unfortunate people cant see that but I can assure you at 16 years on this Ive seen many idiots get fired,arrested ,deomoted and promoted. Some deserved it and some didnt but I can tell you one thing....

Anything involving alcohol off duty or on duty is not going to have a happy ending. Itll catch up too you one way or another and this was the public bit him not the deputies.

From an older Dep. The comment made from the inexperienced person slinging mud about "You dont arrest cops" I can appreciate your comment but in the same argument, you dont put other officers in that position. That city officer/LT owes those Deputies a major apology for putting themselves in a position like that. There hands were tied and there was no other way around it. Its unfortunate people cant see that but I can assure you at 16 years on this Ive seen many idiots get fired,arrested ,deomoted and promoted. Some deserved it and some didnt but I can tell you one thing....

Anything involving alcohol off duty or on duty is not going to have a happy ending. Itll catch up too you one way or another and this was the public bit him not the deputies.I would not arrest an off-duty cop unless:
1. He did something in public
2. There are witnesses wanting to testify
3. There is a victim wanting action/charges
4. The off-duty officer is belligerant towards me
5. The off-duty officer drank too much
6. The off-duty officer refuses to cooperate.

After considering all of the above factors, yes, I would arrest an off-duty officer, but only in an extreme case. However, I would try to squash the incident at every opportunity, but if the off-duty officer is being uncooperative & beligerant & demanding then it makes it really hard for me to help him out. :roll:

[Vulgarian]

I'M SORRY, BUT JUDGING FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THE LT GOT PRETTY UPSET WITH THE LEOS, AND LET ME JUST SAY, NO ONE TALKS TO ME THAT WAY WHEN I AM JUST TRYING TO DO MY JOB, NOT EVEN AN OFF DUTY LT. DRUNK OR NOT DRUNK.

MY WAY OF FIXING THE PROBLEM.....

I WOULD HAVE MARCHMENED HIM BEFORE HE HAD THE CHANCE TO MOUTH OFF TO ME: KILL 2 BIRDS WITH 1 SET OF HANDCUFFS...OH AND A PIECE OF PAPER. LOLOLOL

THOUGH, I CAN DEF SEE WHY HE WAS X15ED. SAD, BUT NEEDED TO BE DONE.

I'M JUST GLAD IT WAS NOT ME PUT IN THAT POSITION, THE LT MADE IT TOUGH. I HOPE IT ALL GETS RESOLVED WHERE NO ONE GETS IN TOO MUCH TROUBLE, EVEN THE LT.

To the spineless coward that decided to post a response using my name, I commend you for at least spelling my name correctly. However at 8:55:15 on 050906 I was at South district with about 20 other cops admiring the rain at the south county Intel Meeting.
I only pray that I never have to rely on your integrity in the real world.

If anyone reading this is a leo, then should know even if the manager is an a..whole, it's still his property and he reserves that right. Second if the Lt. put the on duty guys in that position, then shame on him. Enjoy the ride. GOOD JOB SSO!!

So, you don't arrest cops period, huh? Good thing for the people at Gilligan's that Lt. Bonner didn't decide to shoot one of the "rats". Gee Deiter, should he be arrested then?

That thinking just gives fuel to the public.

Referring to cops who wish to uphold the law, as "rats", as in the Bonner case is infuriating. Cops getting away with infractions of the law because they're cops is nothing more than bully behavior, the Law of the Jungle. Many years ago, in NYC, I got a DUI and went through hell, like a robbed a bank or something. A week later a policeman friend of mine told me that the NYC Police Comm. Ward was found asleep upstate, slumped over the steering wheel, mumbling to the arresting officers, "You can't bust me, I'm the Police Commissioner." Do you think the memory of something like this just goes away?
I think any officer that reads this, should ask why so many cops are hated. Not because you're doing a fair and honest job, that's for sure. It's because you take unfair advantage. When you "nod" at a drunk cop behind the wheel, he drives away like nothing happened, but there is ultimately a price.

Dear "Guest",
In your haste to bash me, you obviously missed the fact that I did not make that post (please scroll further down the page). It was made by another spineless coward who doesn't have ballz enough to put his/her name behind what they say. You obviously don't know me very well, because if I say something there aren't many grey areas. Right, wrong or indifferent. But I'll stand behind it.
I have no facts on what happened on the key that night, or who this guy is, its a shame for all involved. Nobody wins and we as a profession all look bad in the public's eye.
Perception is reality !

Clearly the SPD LEO was wrong and his actions inappropriate. This makes the public suspect of the actions of all LEO"s. The big question is what would have happened to an ordinary civilian who behaved the same as the LEO in the bar. You and I know it -he would be in the slam in a heartbeat for disorderly and resisting. Let's get real. This was a stupid and needless event caused by an idiot who was trying to show off. Real cops don"t do that. They do not have to.

I have a career, family and retirement to protect. I for one would never allow myself to get in a situation where I place another LEO in a position like the LT did. If I did, I would cooperate and keep my mouth shut and do as I'm told. I've been on the job over 16 years and thankfully haven't ever had to deal with something like this. Of course I have pulled over other LEO'S and never had a problem with them and they went on their way slower I might add. But, if he/she was being a jerk, I would sign them up in a heartbeat. I'm not going to take that crap from a civilian, I sure as hell wouldn't from another Officer. I must stress, only if they are being a JERK and disrespecting me!!!

As far as breaking the law in (especially) in a public place, all bets are off. You either respect me and not put me into a nightmarish situation or your going for a ride.

Your stupidity is not worth me losing my career and retirement that I worked my rearend off for.

You may or may not agree with me, but if you don't, you will be the one on the carpet. It isn't worth it.

What if he was shoplifting and in a scuffle with store security. THEY ARE A CROOK, and I will treat you as one. You don't deseve to wear the badge and uniform many have died for.

Wearing the uniform doesn't make up for One Oh Sh_t. We all make mistakes. If you do, just cooperate and act like an adult and DO WHAT YOUR TOLD for God's sake. Bottom line.

How many situations have you been in where you X15 someone because they simply made the whole situation bad because of their mouth and not doing as you have asked.

Shame on you LT. I hope you have learned a valuable lesson.
And I gaurantee, you will never read about me in the paper or this board regarding actions like yours.

The people still screaming RAT have made it clear several times what they wouldnt do: arrest him.

They have ignored my two posts asking what they WOULD have done to resolve the situation....

You ask what I would have done differently and that is truly an unfair question. Unfair because I too was not there. I know what I did recently when I stopped one of our Lt.'s DUI in a dept vehicle. We parked his vehicle, he got in mine and I drove him well out of my zone home. I went back, moved his vehicle to a spot that didn't look obvious and retunred his keys to his wife. No radio transmissions, no other bosses involved and to be honest, I have heard negative things about this Lt. YET, he is a cop, and YEP TOM LYONS, he got a break because of that. And if I were onduty at Gilligans, I would have likely loaded Mr. Bonner up and given him the bum ride home. I never said he wasn't at fault, just that I WOULD NOT HAVE CUFFED HIM AND ARRESTED HIM. If he got out of hand (as he may have), I would have called and perhaps as a LAST resort, had the onduty supervisor from SPD respond and he likely would have taken him home.

There is my answer, and at the end of the day, I'M PROUD NOT TO BE CALLED A RAT!

You ask what I would have done differently and that is truly an unfair question. Unfair because I too was not there. I know what I did recently when I stopped one of our Lt.'s DUI in a dept vehicle. We parked his vehicle, he got in mine and I drove him well out of my zone home. I went back, moved his vehicle to a spot that didn't look obvious and retunred his keys to his wife. No radio transmissions, no other bosses involved and to be honest, I have heard negative things about this Lt. YET, he is a cop, and YEP TOM LYONS, he got a break because of that. And if I were onduty at Gilligans, I would have likely loaded Mr. Bonner up and given him the bum ride home. I never said he wasn't at fault, just that I WOULD NOT HAVE CUFFED HIM AND ARRESTED HIM. If he got out of hand (as he may have), I would have called and perhaps as a LAST resort, had the onduty supervisor from SPD respond and he likely would have taken him home.

There is my answer, and at the end of the day, I'M PROUD NOT TO BE CALLED A RAT!I wasn't there either, so it's hard to comment when I don't have all the facts at my fingertips. However, I would only arrest a cop as a last resort, but there are some exceptions. If I find a cop who is a thief or who is crooked, then that's an entirely different ballgame and I will arrest him in a New York minute because, well, he's a rat!!! :twisted:

That didnt answer my question. You cited an example of something that is 100% different. It would be like me asking a mechanic how to rebuild an engine and he tells me how to body work instead. Very nice story, but it has nothing to do with the problem at hand.

The issue you mention did not occur in a crowded room in front of the complainant. You call the guys that were there "RATS!!!!!!!", but you fail to tell us how to handle the situation otherwise.

Did the Lt in your situation make a scene and refuse your attempts at handling the situation like brothers? No, he acted like a gentleman and let you help him. Thats what the drunken dope from SPD should have done. Then we wouldnt be having this conversation.

Kudo's to you for giving your Lt a ride home. Thats how the issue should be resolved.....quietly.

You keep alluding to the fact that 6 or 7 people were present and watched Bonner acting like an idiot. So, lets assume people are watching when a brother officer acts like an idiot. How many of those same people call the SO the next day and ask how the case is moving its way through system? Answer? NONE....If they saw Bonner loaded up, they would be happy! I could have drove him 3 blocks, to the CP Office or anywhere else, and they would have concluded he was locked up. Including the Gilligans staff. Same with any other case that MAY be in front of people. That is the way we did it up north. You act as if no other city has cops doing things in front of people?? Yet, we found ways in Detroit to NOT be RATS. NYPD followed this and many agencies here follow the program quite well. Yet, this new breed of "Screw your brother", "I have to follow the law" mentality simply makes you a RAT! SO instead of just coming up with excuses why they may not be rats, just go buy some cheese and admit it. RAT!

You keep alluding to the fact that 6 or 7 people were present and watched Bonner acting like an idiot. So, lets assume people are watching when a brother officer acts like an idiot. How many of those same people call the SO the next day and ask how the case is moving its way through system? Answer? NONE....If they saw Bonner loaded up, they would be happy! I could have drove him 3 blocks, to the CP Office or anywhere else, and they would have concluded he was locked up. Including the Gilligans staff. Same with any other case that MAY be in front of people. That is the way we did it up north. You act as if no other city has cops doing things in front of people?? Yet, we found ways in Detroit to NOT be RATS. NYPD followed this and many agencies here follow the program quite well. Yet, this new breed of "Screw your brother", "I have to follow the law" mentality simply makes you a RAT! SO instead of just coming up with excuses why they may not be rats, just go buy some cheese and admit it. RAT!Regarding the first half of your post, I agree with you, but I'm not so sure that it should have been posted at a public website like this for all the world to see. :?

Regarding the second half of your post... if the off-duty cop isn't theiving or being a crook... and if he is just being loud and mouthy from being all liquored up... then I would never arrest him. I've seen thousands of loud & mouthy citizens that I didn't lock up -- so why should I lock up an officer for being loud & mouthy??? I shouldn't and wouldn't . :mrgreen:

The distinction that some people can't seem to make is: being criminal (theiving or being a crook)

vs.
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being loud & mouthy (disorderly intox)[/*:m:kg189gg4]One is easily overlooked while the other is hooked & booked in a New York minute. ;)

Nice plan you have there. Drive him a few blocks away. Sounds like a simple solution, but he REFUSED to leave. That was the whole problem. He was asked by the mgr and Deputies to leave repeatedly.

You have once again provided an example that has nothing to do witht the facts of the case.

Just read my message goof.....Obviously they handcuffed Bonner at SOME point?? At that time you load him up, take him down the street and cut him loose. What part are you having a hard time understanding? Geeze, and I do agree perhaps if we were to catch one of our own doing a B&E, or some felony, but we write cops tickets here, lock each other up for DUI, drunken disorderly etc etc..

Obviously the guy who keeps posting and trying to justify his/her actions is having a hard time dealing with the fact that you my friend are a RAT! Deal with it, climb in your hole and eat some cheese you RAT BAS*****

Geeze, and I do agree perhaps if we were to catch one of our own doing a B&E, or some felony, but we write cops tickets here, lock each other up for DUI, drunken disorderly etc etc..

You, my friend, are a RAT! Deal with it, climb in your hole and eat some cheese you RAT B*STARDROFLMBO :lol:

< wipes tears from eyes from laughing so hard > :lol:

SSO_195,

Sounds like you have a perfect plan to cause yourself greif in the modern world. Have you ever been in "hot water" in the job?

Have I ever been in hot water? One cannot go 32 years without having trotted through the hot water now and then. I have survived NEVER locking up another cop just fine. There were those that had attitudes and those that perhaps should have taken a ride, yet they are cops and again, your are either a decent guy or a big hairy street rat.

Do you really do this job worrying if you will get into hot water? If the answer is YES, I hope you aren't my backup Mr. Rat!

Its called discretion, has been there way back when I started and survived the test of time. No one tells me WHO to arrest.

I agree with you that in a perfect world the Lt should have been swept under the rug at the bar. I just think that if it were done the way you suggest that the Dep would be fired or burned badly.

Are you really suggesting that if you had to go hands on with another officer, cuff him and stuff him you could just drive him round the bend and release him without documenting it? Not in this modern world. No lor? No IOR? You must have another career to fall back on. A dope like him would walk across the street to IA the next day and complain of brutality.

Do us all a favor before you respond. Stop yelling, wipe the foam from your mouth and take a deeeeep breath.

Next time something like this happens to you call a supervisor and let him make the decision. That way when you get called on the carpet you can lay the blame on them. I'm no rat but I'm not going to let some drunk get me in trouble. Shame on the LT for placing the Deputies in that position.

I'm a pretty lenient guy, but if the SPD officer causes a "scuffle" with us while we are trying to cuff him, then I might get mad -- just like the SPD lieutenant was angry -- and my temper might get the best of me -- just like the SPD lieutenant's temper got the best of him -- and as a result of my temper, I might lock'em up. So the SPD lieutenant is wrong for getting liquored up and then getting into a pissing match with the bouncer and two deputies --- and I would be wrong for arresting the SPD lieutenant. But my career would remain intact, while the liquored up lieutenant will have he11 to pay. BTW, I'd have he11 to pay too for arresting another cop. Just like the trooper had he11 to pay for arresting Major Darryl Stinger for a DUI crash with injuries to another person. Everybody loses in that kind of a situation and the public loses confidence in us, all because of off-duty liquored up cops. :?

Yet, this new breed of "Screw your brother", "I have to follow the law" mentality simply makes you a RAT! SO instead of just coming up with excuses why they may not be rats, just go buy some cheese and admit it. RAT!

If the "brother" who screwed up followed the LAW in the first place, nobody would have to worry about it would they? I agree with the one who said he/she wouldn't sacrifice his/her job or retirement for someone's stupidity. The bottom line is NO fellow officer should put you in that position. Those who want to keep their jobs may be "rats" but the ones putting them in that position are rat sh1t.

It is AMAZING to me how many SSO RATS justify time after time locking up other cops. DUI could kill, LT should not act that way, Other were watching....Friggin unreal. We can all come up with excuses or we can do what we should do, and NOT LOCK UP COPS.

So many excuses, even more RATS! You'll call for a backup someday.

LOL....I can tell from your posts that you watch waaay too many movies, and only have a very rudimentary grasp of actual law enforcement. You're not an LEO....though you probably flunked out of the academy. Most likely, you flunked the psych eval before you even got in.

Most LEO's know better than to act like an ass when off duty in a public venue....unless you're a ****y boot with a wild hair up your ass. Unfortunately, the LT made an ass out of himself and put himself and the on-duty officers in a bad position. I agree with a previous poster....he should be made to apologize to the owner of the establishment (regardless of whether it's a dive or not) and to the two LEO's.

Let's face it, there are certain "perks" that go with our position....let's not abuse them. If you do, then you should pay the consequences. We are not above the law, we enforce it.

AMEN!

True, we are not above the law, yet I will not allow a brother to fluch his/her career because of a foolish decision perhaps involving alcohol (disorderly, dui, open container). We all know in these cases the officer could have made a better decision, but MOST of us have done something we wish we hadn't while under the influence. Like driving...I cannot even think of a single officer who has not had too much to drink and drove somewhere at some point in his/her life. Geeeze, I know of current brass that do it on a regular basis in the unmarked vehicles. So YES, I would turn the other cheekl, insure they got home safely and have even ripped them a new one, but arrest them? No way.... Sorry, not this guy and YES, I am a SWORN deputy on patrol and proud to say I am not a RAT!

Hey guys totally disagree with you. You do something wrong as a Law Enforcement officer that has a law behind it. GO TO JAIL, DIRECTLY TO JAIL. Helped me in the long run!!!!! Many people tried to help me but I didn't listen until the chips fell and fell hard. Better off now for the situation. All I can say is THANKS!!!!!!! I am not afraid to say who I am because I am proud of the time I served with the SSO.

Mike

Hi Mike. Thanks for the input. Truth is, as an LEO, you never know what you might have to do. All of you that are so certain about it are obviously wrong about that simple concept.

Hey guys. The rift between spd and sso is nothing new. I retired from spd after 25 years working mostly north district. During my time I had the chance to work some city/county units. I can tell you there are some very good cops on both sides of the street. It is the MACHOS and ROOKIES that cause the problem between the agencies most of the time.

As far as the Bonner thing goes, well I wasn't there so I can't make a judgment. From what I read in the Herald RAG and here it sounds like Bonnner stepped on it big time.

Well I'm just back from Iraq after 18 months and can tell you that the cops there don't arrest cops. When there is a difference of opeion they just KILL each other.

Well stay safe what ever cop shop you work for. Salute to you and me and those like us.