This town needs an enema

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We hope you have been paying attention to the news just south of us. Orange County Commissioners approved OCSO's raises and step plan. With all this scrambling to hire new Deputies (which very few will be able to call themselves a real cop- Jesus, I swear they get weaker by the year) one would think it would be wise to try to be competitive with the surrounding agencies, lest these new, wondrous, degree-toting millennials get sick of working for civilians, doing SARA "projects" (Here's a solution, go find a problem!) or being code enforcement with a gun, and decide to apply to be a real cop elsewhere.

With the homestead exemption and the school safety bills looming on the horizon this year, I hope at least one of you upstairs is paying attention. You think this place is "green" now? Do you have *any* idea how many tenured people are processing with other agencies right now? Do you care?

Also... the most recent promotions. JR was a good one, nicely done. AB and JB? Seriously? And then you have the balls to say this is the first time a promotion has never caused controversy? JB was a lazy, call-dodging slug on patrol and then put in for motors where he could not ride a motorcycle on duty due to “vertigo”, yet while on light duty he rode his personal motorcycle to and from work... brilliant.

AB is one of the most worthless Deputies we have at this agency. Could not handle the road, so he goes to schools. He constantly left his school to go assist the road (He can fill out a tow sheet like nobody's business) then lies and tries to start an IA about another Deputy not being at the detail that he was actually at because of a personal issue with him. Not to mention the fact that if you listened to the radio *at all* during the day, this idiot could not stop transmitting on the primary channel for the most trivial school related matters. He is an absolute coward that let a 15 year old girl dictate a physical confrontation, and put him on light duty. He is 6'5 and easily 300 lbs. The guy has almost NO patrol experience and you decide to put him in charge of a squad of mostly 2 year or less deputies. I can't wait to see how this turns out. But then again, how much patrol experience do you actually have? Not much if memory serves correctly.

People who have never done anything in their careers get promoted, and in turn promote the same type of people. There are very few real cops left in the chain of command. You ran the last damn good one out. SB.

This is not a corporation. I don't lay it all at your feet Sheriff, this place was already in a hole before you officially took over, but you and your civilian "chiefs" have kept the digging at a furious pace. I doubt we'll be able to recover by the time your successor gets into office.

Maybe we should add another 15 PIOs? Or finishing stickering up that new ice cream truck? Or take that shiny new bearcat for a spin? Or make that final payment on that new helicopter with your name on the side of it that we don't need (after sinking almost 1 mil in Alert 1’s camera system)... all while touting how amazing and progressive this place is. Maybe you’ll get 3%, but now we need to add another 15 SRO’s. And health insurance is going up again.

If the public knew we pulled nearly 40 Deputies off the road to cover schools that don't really need a Deputy at them, and how critically understaffed we on the road have been for the last 3 years, they would be absolutely disgusted. The media tour when this was going on was appalling. We have a "cop" (used loosely) at your kids school doing nothing; but no one in your neighborhood during the day or night. Where are your priorities? Wait... we already know. On social media, making sure we look like the friendliest cops around. Quick, get your eclipse glasses on!

Oh, and don’t even get me started on that School Therapy K9 bullshit. What a complete and utter joke. Agencies around the country are laughing at us.

You say your employees are your most valuable asset. It sure as hell doesn't feel like it when we've been denied PTO due to staffing, we're covering 2-3 zones at a time, have supervisors that can’t make decisions, won't hold subordinates accountable, and refuse to tell people to clear BS calls and cover their zone.

What makes people happy? Working for competent people who have done the job, and having enough money to provide for their families, and when you establish a minimum staffing level, enforce that limit.
None of which we have here.

The mass exodus is going to be glorious. These new kids you've hired... they're gone once they get a year or so under their belt, and realize this agency is not about police work, nor is it about ensuring we pay our people a decent wage. I'm sure OPD and OCSO will appreciate the tenured new hires you'll have given them in a few years. And I’ll I bet they’ll be able to hand out ice cream like nobody’s business.

This is not Disney. Stop trying to make "magic" happen. New guns, toys and the elimination of the rank structure are not going to keep people here. A decent wage and feeling like we're working for people who know how to do the job that we do, will. We are a Law Enforcement Agency. Not a customer retention division at a corporation.

You’re all about member engagement right? Where was our input on the new zone restructuring? Never once were we asked what we thought or did we hear about how our input was valued. It was just an email and Boom! Here are your new zones. Utterly ridiculous.

By the way, you said you wouldn't pull any more people for specialized units until the road was fully staffed, which you held true on. But you didn't say you wouldn’t create and staff a new specialized unit.... more proof that staffing and patrol is not your priority.

This property crimes task force stupidity is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You have allowed the absolute worst from every division to band together and run around in jeans and tactical vests picking up warrants, making under 20 and DWLS arrests, and straight up crashing their cars into suspects in neighboring counties. You loved Clutter and Ducharme terrorizing sanford until they got caught doing something incredibly stupid and unlawful. You eventually terminate them for it, and now you create a unit and sanction them to do the exact. same. shit. Brilliant!

Also, you give civilians 6 paid days off (that isn’t deducted from their PTO) for the hurricane, but only give mandatory responders 1 admin reward day? Civilians continue getting the preferential treatment, While those of us that worked 10+ days in a row with no power at home are getting screwed- again.

The only thing that will make me believe in magic will be if you're not re-elected. You're awful. I've never met a more disingenuous and fake person in a position of power. We *all* see it.

A bad manager can take a good workplace and destroy it. You're driving people away, and those that are stuck are so upset and disgruntled that no one is motivated to do anything anymore.

No one trusts you or the rest of the administration. You’ve made it clear you don’t care that people are leaving for more money elsewhere. Really? That’s your answer?

Maybe if you dropped the politician facade and came out to calls with patrol every once and awhile, you'd earn some respect from us. At least Eslinger had some real cop work under his belt.

I’m gonna drag my fifth wheel down to one of the schools and contemplate every decision in my life that led me to this agency.

We know you’re going to demote MD and BL. Screw the good people while you astronomically promote a guy that had only been here 7 years. How was his wedding by the way? It was all over his Facebook that you officiated it. How did that feel to see his face all over the news? Realizing the extent of his sexual deviance after already knowing he’d done this shit before? That’s Captain quality at SCSO. More quality control through your amazing “leadership”.

I bet Eslinger is absolutely livid with what you’ve done to this place.

In the almost 20 years I’ve been here, I’ve never been more ashamed to wear this uniform than I am now.

#WeAreSCSO

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Finally someone has the balls to speak the truth!!! Amen!!!!’

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You are the coward for writing this and not identifying yourself! If You were 1/2 the person any of these people you cowardly refernce you would identify yourself and you would address this with each person and not in a public forum! You are a spineless good for nothing that couldn’t pass a promotional exam if you Mother helped you! Enjoy 10-65 ing for the rest of your career and remember “what comes around goes around”.

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That’s funny how you call him a coward but not a liar. Wake up, The truth was spoken

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He says the writer is a coward. That coming from an unregistered user. Hmmmm. OPD is awesome by the way. Come on down.

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You are the coward for writing this and not identifying yourself! If You were 1/2 the person any of these people you cowardly refernce you would identify yourself and you would address this with each person and not in a public forum! You are a spineless good for nothing that couldn’t pass a promotional exam if you Mother helped you! Enjoy 10-65 ing for the rest of your career and remember “what comes around goes around”.

He is a coward for not identifing himself..... says the person who did not identify themself...... Think about that for a minute.

Really no news here..... Many people quitely watching....... Things are getting better....

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Clearly the “Unregistered” user claiming the poster is a coward has never worked at SCSO. If he did he would know that speaking out against command staff at SCSO is a career ender. I can only assume whoever posted this has been at SCSO for a while and leaving would cause financial hardship. And if that’s not the case get out while you can! Everything the poster here said is true which is very sad. All valid reasons why so many are leaving and looking elsewhere. Thank you for speaking out brother!

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These are all things that need to be said. I've been at SCSO many years and I have never seen people leaving in the numbers we're current seeing. they're not even waiting to see what happens in October, they're flat out bailing. What's scary is that there's twice as many quietly waiting to see what happens in October. If it's not some miracle of improvement, they're all going to be gone too. We are going to be in a state of crisis.

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We have sergeants with 15+ years at SCSO making 10K less than day one starting deputies at other agencies (Pinellas County.) No wonder we've already lost so many to them.

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The problem is DL believes this is the voice of one. If SCSO doesn’t band together they will continue to feed you the same propaganda aimed at only pleasing the top 10 percent. For someone that preaches about “leadership” being the answer to all, take a hard look in the mirror, you are an insult to the title and what it represents. Leadership is having a clear vision, and the courage to take risks in the achievement of your goals with no assurance of success. Your men and women are imploring you to take chance, grab the reins, lead from the front and yet you sit idle without care. My suggestion, stop listening to the advice of the ones that grovel at your feet and reach out to the true heroes of this agency.

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You are the coward for writing this and not identifying yourself! If You were 1/2 the person any of these people you cowardly refernce you would identify yourself and you would address this with each person and not in a public forum! You are a spineless good for nothing that couldn’t pass a promotional exam if you Mother helped you! Enjoy 10-65 ing for the rest of your career and remember “what comes around goes around”.

More supervisory elitism. Studying for and passing a test is not a commendable skill. AG and CR passed that test and got promoted too, so that isn’t what I would call a tremendous achievement.

I’d rather have the respect of my peers and have a reputation for being a decent cop than be a coward who can’t make a decision. So yes, I’ll enjoy 10-65’ing for the rest of my career knowing I’m capable of doing my job and not hiding in the closet at LMHS. But I don’t lay it all at your feet. Maybe being back in patrol is good for you.

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Although the author could have been a bit more diplomatic, instead of berating him/ her, let’s stay focused on the message please.

That being said, who in their right mind would identify themselves and, more importantly, who cares! Anyone? That’s right....no one. If you have an independent thought or opinion, you are labeled as disgruntled, a trouble maker, or the like. Everyone but the sheep know this. So get real.

The culture of the sheriffs office changed drastically when they began to encourage obsequious behavior from employees, a lot of whom came from ASPD. They turned a well respected agency into what the author describes. If you’re not a minion, you unequivocally agree with the message.

I, and I’m sure, many, many, many others, applaud the author for saying what most everyone else is thinking. Kudos to you sir or ma’am.

If the sheriff is monitoring, and I have no doubt that he is, until you sir surround yourself with experienced sworn deputies who actually care about your people and who command respect instead of the ones you have now who can’t make a sound decision and can only demand respect, all the committees in the world won’t help you. Your people DO NOT respect most of your command staff. You should’ve utilized the assets you have like SP, TJ, PB, JI to name a few. There are many more. But instead, you force all your talented people to answer to incompetents.

Hopefully you will take this seriously. It’s not too late to re-direct the bus before you drive it off that cliff.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;2882643]The problem is DL believes this is the voice of one. If SCSO doesn’t band together they will continue to feed you the same propaganda aimed at only pleasing the top 10 percent. For someone that preaches about “leadership” being the answer to all, take a hard look in the mirror, you are an insult to the title and what it represents. Leadership is having a clear vision, and the courage to take risks in the achievement of your goals with no assurance of success. Your men and women are imploring you to take chance, grab the reins, lead from the front and yet you sit idle without care. My suggestion, stop listening to the advice of the ones that grovel at your feet and reach out to the true heroes of this agency.[/

Well said!!!!

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I tip my hat to the original poster for starting this thread. I urge everyone in this god forsaken agency to spread the word and put those in a position of power on notice!

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I find it wildly entertaining that you all assume this Sheriff will give a shit about shelling out any more money. He has repeatedly stated he will not confront the Board of Commissioners and looks to his employees for suggestions on how to fix things, now that’s “leadership”. When your household brings in a quarter of a million dollars a year, you would understand his stance. Now folks just grab ankles and prepare for 3 percent.

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Thanks for being our “Jerry Maguire” !!!!!!

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I’m sure DL will address this at his next “leadership” meeting where he will tell everyone how much better he is than DE. He should be thanking DE because he wouldn’t be where he is it wasn’t for him. How about we do an anonymous survey asking the employees how DL is doing, I bet his approval is less than 20%. People are leaving the SO to go to the city. Stop talking DL and start leading.

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These are all things that need to be said. I've been at SCSO many years and I have never seen people leaving in the numbers we're current seeing. they're not even waiting to see what happens in October, they're flat out bailing. What's scary is that there's twice as many quietly waiting to see what happens in October. If it's not some miracle of improvement, they're all going to be gone too. We are going to be in a state of crisis.

You are so right! MANY SCSO deputies are waiting to see if the compensation committee can actually get anything done. Problem is, if you go in there and speak your mind, i.e. the truth, and it's not what they want to hear, your name is remembered afterward, and not in a good way. Just ask MK, who learned that the hard way from the last round of salary discussions. All those that are waiting whom I've talked to are fairly consistent in that if nothing changes, they're gone in a Flash. And, I'm not talking about 3 or 4 people.

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Ok, so I’m sure you’re all aware Command Staff is monitoring and reporting all activity on this forum. It’s imperative we continue to voice our concern and let them know this is not a minority of the agency. I encourage all true SCSO employees, let them hear your voice. They will continue to believe that a few disgruntled people will not shake the upper eschelon. All we need them to understand is that this is not a few but the majority and shit will hit the fan if they continue to hold circle jerk meetings without addressing the real problems plaguing this agency.

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Well we all know DL and his minions LT, SL and CL have no clue what they are doing. When our agency was a premier agency in the area and quality people wanted to come here they turned them away with no reason. The people from other agencies we are getting are only here because OPD and OCSO turned them down or would have turned them down because of their backgrounds. Wonder how glad the people who didn't end up in our miserable state are they didn't get hired here, anybody got the number to OPD and OCSO to ask them? #WeAreSCSOUnfortunately

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I believe most agree with what has already been said. Although some were promoted that we may not agree with, it is no fault of their own. I don't think we really expect someone to turn down a promotion when they have been chosen. Instead we should be pissed at the process. I wouldn't call it a coincidence that we typically know who is getting promoted prior to the testing. As far as passing the test, well you can only fail one part (multiple choice). Let's be honest, if you can't pass a MC test, you probably shouldn't be employed anyways. As far as the other 2 parts of the test, they are subjective and certain people will score whatever "they" want you to. Our current state has been in the making for several years. This really shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that has more than 5 minutes here. No offense to any newer employees but unless you have prior connections to SCSO you probably don't fully grasp or have knowledge of how certain people are in certain places. I'm glad to see people are finally speaking up and I hope the admin actually starts listening instead of telling us they want to hear the truth when they really don't. I feel the time is now and this maybe the last opportunity for change until many push for the elusive "U".

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DL, quick break out the Snow Cones! Nothing soothes dissension like flavored ice!

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http://www.seminolewatch.com

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The only problem now is the sheep outnumber the wolves and they are content with not doing their job. The sheep don't want to work, they just want to impress people with their shiny uniform. Or show off their new ideas like holding "free hugs" signs in shopping centers. How about emails containing PC for assault on LEO'S and ending them with Just FYI, instead of P.S. he was 10-15'd?

Proactivity is met with "them" only looking for policy violations ultimately suppressing the core value of law enforcement, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

FTD's that recommend a trainee not move forward are overruled by the echelon because it would mean the hiring committee made a mistake. Somebody is gonna get hurt because of these people. If ever there was an agency that confirms the old adage, you **** up you move up, this is it.

Anybody been to the jail recently? What a joke. Inmates yelling, not listening to orders, acting out on detention staff. Deputies just taking it for fear of getting a complaint? A complaint? From an inmate? In jail? The inmates now have kiosks to complain directly to the top? How long before we have to start writing apology letters?

Your ship is sinking, just keep smiling, all the way to the bottom.

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Man has this place changed over the past few years. Now I would say that DL did not dig us in this hole with pay in just the year he has been at the top. This has been building up for years.Also Letting us being able to choose a new weapon was a nice move and I appreciate that. But with that being said he has done absolutely nothing to improve the morale or pay scale. He look to us for ways to save money but then brings back the undersheriff position and assign what essentially is three captains to a member engagement committee. By the way anyone sign up for that softball team this summer? I got dibs on team captain! The other captain would be the original poster! Can anyone please tell me the real point of this unit please? Most of our newly hired employees are millennials. Millennials won't stick around after a few years of not being paid. It was easy to get away with saying how great Seminole County was and not losing people for years but not in today’s time.

My advised to everyone is to just start putting in your application in other places before the mass exit at the end of the year when DL reminds us on how he had to “fight” for our 3 percent raise. It’s ridiculous a topped out Deputy/Officer at OCSO and OPD makes more than a topped out Sgt./almost Lieutenant here. If this new compensation committee works and we get something reasonable I would have to tip my hat off to him for getting it done within his first two years. But how he acted towards salary and raises his first 6 months leave me very worried about getting this done. This place was once truly special to work . Just a few years ago everyone was talking about how horrible it was at Orange County, but after their big raises we hear nothing but good things. This does have a correlation with happiness while working in today’s time.

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I agree with most of what the original poster said that’s have for one big issue… the tile of the post. “A Enema by definition. “ An enema is the injection of fluid into the lower bowel by way of rectum “ we don’t “need” an Enema, it looks like the gracious citizens of Seminole County already elected us one.

#weareSCSO ( Seminole Civilian S.A.R.A. Office) #thegrassisgreenerdownsouth #Ballou2020

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The only problem now is the sheep outnumber the wolves and they are content with not doing their job. The sheep don't want to work, they just want to impress people with their shiny uniform. Or show off their new ideas like holding "free hugs" signs in shopping centers. How about emails containing PC for assault on LEO'S and ending them with Just FYI, instead of P.S. he was 10-15'd?

Proactivity is met with "them" only looking for policy violations ultimately suppressing the core value of law enforcement, LAW ENFORCEMENT.

FTD's that recommend a trainee not move forward are overruled by the echelon because it would mean the hiring committee made a mistake. Somebody is gonna get hurt because of these people. If ever there was an agency that confirms the old adage, you **** up you move up, this is it.

Anybody been to the jail recently? What a joke. Inmates yelling, not listening to orders, acting out on detention staff. Deputies just taking it for fear of getting a complaint? A complaint? From an inmate? In jail? The inmates now have kiosks to complain directly to the top? How long before we have to start writing apology letters?

Your ship is sinking, just keep smiling, all the way to the bottom.

The Jail is worse than you think. A civilian in charge who likes and respects the inmates more than the staff. Inmates have zero respect for staff. It’s unsafe.

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That’s funny how you call him a coward but not a liar. Wake up, The truth was spoken

Maybe not lying but he doesnt have all the facts! Some of it is true, that I will agree

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It would be nice if we had updates for this compensation committee throughout the process. Or is that just my representative not getting back with us?

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It would be nice if we had updates for this compensation committee throughout the process. Or is that just my representative not getting back with us?

There has only been one meeting so far and my understanding from it is there isn't much of an update to provide. Sounds like it was more of an information gathering. Hopefully the next meetings will progress further. Highly doubt our representation will keep us in the dark.

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I hope those in charge see this and make some changes. If not, changes will be made in a couple of years when DL gets voted out because of his lack in leadership.

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It would be nice if we had updates for this compensation committee throughout the process. Or is that just my representative not getting back with us?

Well, you haven’t missed much, same ol BS being fed to our advocates. LS attempted to use her high intellect and assume our dumb Deputies would accept the same shit. PTO this and health insurance that but no answer for the actual problem “pay” Once again when you make 3 times more than the average D/S, do you actually think she gives a F...! From the looks of things I’m gathering DL already made his decision and this committee was formed to appease the masses and turn this around on us. Help me spread the word... time to get our Deputies off of their knees and let’s force them to start kissing our ass (#real men and women of SCSO)

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I agree with most of what the original poster said that’s have for one big issue… the tile of the post. “A Enema by definition. “ An enema is the injection of fluid into the lower bowel by way of rectum “ we don’t “need” an Enema, it looks like the gracious citizens of Seminole County already elected us one.

#weareSCSO ( Seminole Civilian S.A.R.A. Office) #thegrassisgreenerdownsouth #Ballou2020

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Don’t you all see the point of him creating committees? It’s so when it all goes to shit he can say “blame the committee, not me... I tried to give you a hand in it but YOU failed. Not me.”

The illusion of being empowered to make change as a stakeholder in the company... Jesus I’m starting to sound like them.

#BALLOU2020!!!!!

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

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Don’t you all see the point of him creating committees? It’s so when it all goes to shit he can say “blame the committee, not me... I tried to give you a hand in it but YOU failed. Not me.”

The illusion of being empowered to make change as a stakeholder in the company... Jesus I’m starting to sound like them.

#BALLOU2020!!!!!

He is too intelligent to run for Sheriff!!

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The Jail is worse than you think. A civilian in charge who likes and respects the inmates more than the staff. Inmates have zero respect for staff. It’s unsafe.

Your right. LB thinks we are the problem. Not the poor inmates. She loves them. She has paid motivational speakers to come in cheer them on. We are the ones who need motivational speakers

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

They grass may not be greener, but the money is.🖕🏻💵💰

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

Asswipe, your the reason this agency is in it’s current state. Your tongue and cupping abilities has neutralized Command and made them believe everything is AOK around here. Try getting off your knees for once and take a look at what’s going on at eye level. If anyone should leave, it should be all of your kind..c..k s....r!

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For those of you sitting and watching quietly, I urge you to at least type an "I agree" or even "I disagree." Prior to this post and probably to a large degree during the initial parts of this post, your command staff genuinely thought pay and morale we're not a priority. They probably did see it as a problem, just not a priority. This is our time to let them know that this needs to be a priority. Our personal financial well being is a hill worth dying on. Our keeping qualified people next to us to have our backs so we can come home safely to our family is a hill worth dying on.

The update we received on the compensation committee shows just how much the command staff have not been putting sworn pay as a priority. They have had months (and that's being kind) to come up with a plan. There was not anything of substance presented. The committee was put together shortly before budgets are due. They are not set up for much success with such little time to put something together.

Though some if the original posters facts may be off (not by much), the spirit of their statement rings true. Pay is in a bad place, moral is in a bad place, and the leadership is struggling. Law enforcement is no longer a priority at a law enforcement agency. The Command Staff can talk all they want to about that not being true, but their actions and inactions indicate otherwise. The Command Staff have been warned about this before. They chose to not take action to correct the course. It is my hope that this thread and the good job the members of the compensation committee are doing with get them to see that they are not doing a good job. Let's come together and show them that we are a priority.

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

You sure OCSO won’t hire us? Cause we be goin and they be takin! But We can survey it if you’d like.
Don’t quote Polk... he’d probably kick your ass just rolling over in his grave from this crap. He also wouldn’t let his deputies get pushed around by the public, yet here we are doing the customer service special.

The grass certainly is greener when I can pay to replace it. It certainly ain’t green here when I can’t even pay to water that shit.

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We hope you have been paying attention to the news just south of us. Orange County Commissioners approved OCSO's raises and step plan. With all this scrambling to hire new Deputies (which very few will be able to call themselves a real cop- Jesus, I swear they get weaker by the year) one would think it would be wise to try to be competitive with the surrounding agencies, lest these new, wondrous, degree-toting millennials get sick of working for civilians, doing SARA "projects" (Here's a solution, go find a problem!) or being code enforcement with a gun, and decide to apply to be a real cop elsewhere.

With the homestead exemption and the school safety bills looming on the horizon this year, I hope at least one of you upstairs is paying attention. You think this place is "green" now? Do you have *any* idea how many tenured people are processing with other agencies right now? Do you care?

Also... the most recent promotions. JR was a good one, nicely done. AB and JB? Seriously? And then you have the balls to say this is the first time a promotion has never caused controversy? JB was a lazy, call-dodging slug on patrol and then put in for motors where he could not ride a motorcycle on duty due to “vertigo”, yet while on light duty he rode his personal motorcycle to and from work... brilliant.

AB is one of the most worthless Deputies we have at this agency. Could not handle the road, so he goes to schools. He constantly left his school to go assist the road (He can fill out a tow sheet like nobody's business) then lies and tries to start an IA about another Deputy not being at the detail that he was actually at because of a personal issue with him. Not to mention the fact that if you listened to the radio *at all* during the day, this idiot could not stop transmitting on the primary channel for the most trivial school related matters. He is an absolute coward that let a 15 year old girl dictate a physical confrontation, and put him on light duty. He is 6'5 and easily 300 lbs. The guy has almost NO patrol experience and you decide to put him in charge of a squad of mostly 2 year or less deputies. I can't wait to see how this turns out. But then again, how much patrol experience do you actually have? Not much if memory serves correctly.

People who have never done anything in their careers get promoted, and in turn promote the same type of people. There are very few real cops left in the chain of command. You ran the last damn good one out. SB.

This is not a corporation. I don't lay it all at your feet Sheriff, this place was already in a hole before you officially took over, but you and your civilian "chiefs" have kept the digging at a furious pace. I doubt we'll be able to recover by the time your successor gets into office.

Maybe we should add another 15 PIOs? Or finishing stickering up that new ice cream truck? Or take that shiny new bearcat for a spin? Or make that final payment on that new helicopter with your name on the side of it that we don't need (after sinking almost 1 mil in Alert 1’s camera system)... all while touting how amazing and progressive this place is. Maybe you’ll get 3%, but now we need to add another 15 SRO’s. And health insurance is going up again.

If the public knew we pulled nearly 40 Deputies off the road to cover schools that don't really need a Deputy at them, and how critically understaffed we on the road have been for the last 3 years, they would be absolutely disgusted. The media tour when this was going on was appalling. We have a "cop" (used loosely) at your kids school doing nothing; but no one in your neighborhood during the day or night. Where are your priorities? Wait... we already know. On social media, making sure we look like the friendliest cops around. Quick, get your eclipse glasses on!

Oh, and don’t even get me started on that School Therapy K9 bullshit. What a complete and utter joke. Agencies around the country are laughing at us.

You say your employees are your most valuable asset. It sure as hell doesn't feel like it when we've been denied PTO due to staffing, we're covering 2-3 zones at a time, have supervisors that can’t make decisions, won't hold subordinates accountable, and refuse to tell people to clear BS calls and cover their zone.

What makes people happy? Working for competent people who have done the job, and having enough money to provide for their families, and when you establish a minimum staffing level, enforce that limit.
None of which we have here.

The mass exodus is going to be glorious. These new kids you've hired... they're gone once they get a year or so under their belt, and realize this agency is not about police work, nor is it about ensuring we pay our people a decent wage. I'm sure OPD and OCSO will appreciate the tenured new hires you'll have given them in a few years. And I’ll I bet they’ll be able to hand out ice cream like nobody’s business.

This is not Disney. Stop trying to make "magic" happen. New guns, toys and the elimination of the rank structure are not going to keep people here. A decent wage and feeling like we're working for people who know how to do the job that we do, will. We are a Law Enforcement Agency. Not a customer retention division at a corporation.

You’re all about member engagement right? Where was our input on the new zone restructuring? Never once were we asked what we thought or did we hear about how our input was valued. It was just an email and Boom! Here are your new zones. Utterly ridiculous.

By the way, you said you wouldn't pull any more people for specialized units until the road was fully staffed, which you held true on. But you didn't say you wouldn’t create and staff a new specialized unit.... more proof that staffing and patrol is not your priority.

This property crimes task force stupidity is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You have allowed the absolute worst from every division to band together and run around in jeans and tactical vests picking up warrants, making under 20 and DWLS arrests, and straight up crashing their cars into suspects in neighboring counties. You loved Clutter and Ducharme terrorizing sanford until they got caught doing something incredibly stupid and unlawful. You eventually terminate them for it, and now you create a unit and sanction them to do the exact. same. shit. Brilliant!

Also, you give civilians 6 paid days off (that isn’t deducted from their PTO) for the hurricane, but only give mandatory responders 1 admin reward day? Civilians continue getting the preferential treatment, While those of us that worked 10+ days in a row with no power at home are getting screwed- again.

The only thing that will make me believe in magic will be if you're not re-elected. You're awful. I've never met a more disingenuous and fake person in a position of power. We *all* see it.

A bad manager can take a good workplace and destroy it. You're driving people away, and those that are stuck are so upset and disgruntled that no one is motivated to do anything anymore.

No one trusts you or the rest of the administration. You’ve made it clear you don’t care that people are leaving for more money elsewhere. Really? That’s your answer?

Maybe if you dropped the politician facade and came out to calls with patrol every once and awhile, you'd earn some respect from us. At least Eslinger had some real cop work under his belt.

I’m gonna drag my fifth wheel down to one of the schools and contemplate every decision in my life that led me to this agency.

We know you’re going to demote MD and BL. Screw the good people while you astronomically promote a guy that had only been here 7 years. How was his wedding by the way? It was all over his Facebook that you officiated it. How did that feel to see his face all over the news? Realizing the extent of his sexual deviance after already knowing he’d done this shit before? That’s Captain quality at SCSO. More quality control through your amazing “leadership”.

I bet Eslinger is absolutely livid with what you’ve done to this place.

In the almost 20 years I’ve been here, I’ve never been more ashamed to wear this uniform than I am now.

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Deputies at JEPCF are reading this and agree as well. Everyone in this thread is talking about patrol but Corrections have the same views and issues. New DD’s are being rushed through to fill vacant spots only to be improperly trained and unprepared. These new hires are being pushed through even if they do not pass FTO training. Then the quality new deputies leave after a year or two. Veteran deputies and Deputies in the DROP are debating daily if they should come back tomorrow. Dual Certified personal looking to go on the road can’t because staffing is so low in the jail. Now they are looking to leave for higher paying patrol jobs. 100% of the current crossover academy is planning to leave the jail, and possibly SCSO, once LEO certified. Our chief has zero respect for any subordinate at any level. Inmates are emboldened while staff is afraid of the kiosk (grievance system). We’re afraid our pay may be reduced (according to LB, we make to much), we hear rumors the jail is splitting from the SO, we have a 300hr yearly PTO cap (btw, this is not in any G.O. nor in policy but the jail supervisor must enforce it), we’re over worked due to short staffing, calling in ppl willing to work OT seems to be forbidden, our DSO’s could make more at Walmart, and so on. We’re watching the compensation committee but have little faith in it. JEPCF will continue to have high turnover unless major changes are made leadership and pay.

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

Oh they're leaving alright. And...They ARE getting hired!!! Not only do we have highly experienced and capable leaders leaving for OCSO and OPD, we're seeing people leaving for agencies that, in the past, was unheard of, like Apopka and Longwood. How long before Sanford PD offers a better overall salary and benefits package??? You say leave and don't let the door hit you in the ass. Who's going to replace them? The kids coming in now who've never heard the word "no" in their lives and think being forced to actually do the unsavory yet mandatory parts of their job is grounds for a hostile work environment complaint? Do you really want your next sergeant's total experience to be one year on Markham Woods road and two years neighborhood services? Listen, Champ, we're not far from that already.

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

If you truly know anything about John Polk and you aren’t from team DL. You’d know, he did say that. However, he’d also say if someone hurt one of my deputies he better go to the hospital before he goes to the jail. And he would most certainly suffer a heart attach under this administration. Hell he cried after he appointed DE, once he realized what he did before he died.

The SO has been a failure slowly building now more so under DL. Let’s have more survey monkeys and committees for committees. Shit, admin don’t like the answer we will do another survey after we force our results down your mouth.

We all had faith in this agency years ago even during the hard times. But, the agency only supports loser admin. My god you think the last group of promotions was bad. Shit, SGT JH and LT MS... two admin with only 10 minutes of LE experience are supervisors. JH he has no clue and a box of rocks are smarter. That’s the future of LE. The jail. They are punished totally. You’d be better off working DOC. Or even some private body. The new chief is worthless and treats you all like garbage. And the CH deps, come on you know you can’t screw up there DL’s wife is running you and if she’s not happy he is not happy. Guys, stand up or shut up. GET OUT! There are so many sitting in the fence. What will you do when All the other premium agencies are full and paying fat but your sitting. Stupid.

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I agree. So do a good chunk of deputies and sergeants!

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Let’s look even furthe back at SGT JH and I use that title lightly. And SM they are a joke. 10 second cops with majority time NRD and speaking of another agency joke, NRD, those two were supervisors word used losely were 10 second cops. And now they have no clue. What they are doing. Go to other agencies before we become that agency that everyone says oh you guys, shred app!

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Let’s look even furthe back at SGT JH and I use that title lightly. And SM they are a joke. 10 second cops with majority time NRD and speaking of another agency joke, NRD, those two were supervisors word used losely were 10 second cops. And now they have no clue. What they are doing. Go to other agencies before we become that agency that everyone says oh you guys, shred app!

When referring to supervisors who came out of NRD, I think you mean "MS"

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I’ve felt the rath of SCSO when I spoke up and pointing out supervisors doing wrong and not to mention illegal things. It gets swept under the rug and they push out the ones that point them out.
Maybe more will get caught like that Weipport slug.
The Sheriff needs to contact and bring back the ones that left, the type of Deputies who really cared and backed it up with work ethic and values.

You really lost a lot of those types of employees Sheriff. But it appears you don’t care who represents the agency anymore, just the numbers I guess.

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This is the Committee that should have been formed. In any great organization and with successful businesses you as leaders should welcome criticism as well as praise. I hope this week the administration doesn’t come to work with their asses on their shoulders, but instead come together and formulate a plan to plug the holes in this sinking ship. Bring back morale to this agency and stop the cancer.

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I couldn’t agree more with all these comments except for NF’s calling people cowards or the brain surgeon who said just leave. Keep the pressure up and if it’s ignored; they do it at their own peril.

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I don’t believe these posters are cowards. They have a genuine concern. And there no way to voice it. The top and middle have seen to it. People want to be heard. No different than thwhat rest of the wide world.

Employees have kept their feelings bottled up far to long. And because there is no real outlet. This is what happens. I can only hope DL and all the underlings don’t spend a lot of energy trying to find who posted this or the response. I hope they use that energy that is often used for payback and actually, find the gems and solutions therein.

Get rid of civilian supervisors over sworn/certified and promote from within the ranks those who have proven the ability to do the job. Get rid of everyone in the command and build a new one with seasoned and tenured LEO from within the agency. People that have a vested interest in seeing this rear county better and their fellow employees treated right and well. SB, was a huge loss. And it’s showing. But, it’s not late yet. Let’s stay strong on this and make it right..

I know DE is pretty hot about the state of emergency this place has become. But we all know DL can fix it and still be the Sheriff. He just has to swallow some pride and ego.

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I don’t believe these posters are cowards. They have a genuine concern. And there no way to voice it. The top and middle have seen to it. People want to be heard. No different than thwhat rest of the wide world.

Employees have kept their feelings bottled up far to long. And because there is no real outlet. This is what happens. I can only hope DL and all the underlings don’t spend a lot of energy trying to find who posted this or the response. I hope they use that energy that is often used for payback and actually, find the gems and solutions therein.

Get rid of civilian supervisors over sworn/certified and promote from within the ranks those who have proven the ability to do the job. Get rid of everyone in the command and build a new one with seasoned and tenured LEO from within the agency. People that have a vested interest in seeing this rear county better and their fellow employees treated right and well. SB, was a huge loss. And it’s showing. But, it’s not late yet. Let’s stay strong on this and make it right..

I know DE is pretty hot about the state of emergency this place has become. But we all know DL can fix it and still be the Sheriff. He just has to swallow some pride and ego.

MH, WS, CM, PP, AY, PB... they need to be in the Top 15. Problem is ... do they even really want the headache?
Speaking of the current Top 15... TF is the ONLY one we’ve seen, heard and probably really respect on the road. I like that guy.

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It may be time for a Union!

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It may be time for a Union!
I would have to disagree there, sorry. That will make things worse.

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I would have to disagree there, sorry. That will make things worse.

Seriously? worse than the complete lack of acknowledgment from the brass. What other choice is there? Let’s be real here, there is nothing coming from this forum, status quo is the way DL will roll here.

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Capt RF is solid too. He’s a great leader and watch’s our for his guys.

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Capt RF is solid too. He’s a great leader and watch’s our for his guys.

Supervisor yes, leader not so much. His speedy assention into that position leads me to believe he keeps a supply of chap stick within reach.

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Supervisor yes, leader not so much. His speedy assention into that position leads me to believe he keeps a supply of chap stick within reach.

I don’t agree with that. He’s help built and lead one of the best School Rosouce programs in the country. He has my respect and I have no problem following his lead just like many others in his div. Some credit has to be give and be fair. As an agency yes we need to continue to mature and some changes are needed. I think the sheriff needs to be give some time to fix some of these issues that didn’t happen overnight. So they aren’t going to be fixed overnight either. I am sure he is looking at this and realizes he needs to re-evaluate and adjust. Now let’s give the man a chance, he deserves that. I truly believe the sheriff loves and respect scso and would do his best to make us better. I believe the sheriff will listen and come up with something. I suggest you put your issues here so the sheriff and command staff can take it all into consideration. Just be professional about it. If they truly value their number one asset. Then they will work hard to deliver a better package. Let’s not get divide and distracted from our goals. This is a great agency. Let’s use this forum in professional manor to work together. If we get angry and start acting like children we will be divided and will make scso not so great. I for one don’t want that. I love this agency and only want us to get stronger. Let’s be the professional that we are. Good luck to all and be safe.

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Supervisor yes, leader not so much. His speedy assention into that position leads me to believe he keeps a supply of chap stick within reach.

I don’t agree with that. He has helped built and lead one of the country’s best School Resource programs. I for one have no issues following his lead like many other in his division. Now like any other agency yes we need to continue to mature and need some changes. We can voice our concerns here in a professional manor so that the Sheriff and command staff can address some of these concerns. Let’s be professional in our comments no need to be derogatory, it will not help our case. I believe the Sheriff will address these problems. He is a reasonable person who I believe loves and respects SCSO. I think the man deserves some time to address and fix these issues that didn’t happen overnight. So they will not be fixed overnight either. If we get angry and start fighting with command staff this will only divide us and be counterproductive and distract us from our goals. Let’s give the Sheriff an opportunity to lead us, these thing take time. I love this agency and I only want us to get stronger. We are great agency, and we can make it better. Good luck to all and be safe.

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Capt RF is solid too. He’s a great leader and watch’s our for his guys.

Agreed! He has done great things with the SRD program. Unfortunately he’s so tied up with keeping those wheels rolling he can’t be out fixing SCSO issues. He has an extremely daunting task dealing with the School Board and keep that SRD program smooth. He did move up quickly, but I don’t fault him for that. He had a pretty extensive LEO background and highly educated and very motivated. Only capt I know of that is still on a specialized unit as well. Capt RF, is a solid guy and he really does care about his people.

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Capt RF is solid too. He’s a great leader and watch’s our for his guys.

That’s great but he’s well compensated for his deeds, we unfortunately are not.

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Capt RF is solid too. He’s a great leader and watch’s our for his guys.
I totally DISAGREE!

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That’s great but he’s well compensated for his deeds, we unfortunately are not.

If he makes more than 40K he is over paid. He would be at best a mediocre Sergeant. He has not earned his position. He is on the side of the school board and not his subordinates.

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We hope you have been paying attention to the news just south of us. Orange County Commissioners approved OCSO's raises and step plan. With all this scrambling to hire new Deputies (which very few will be able to call themselves a real cop- Jesus, I swear they get weaker by the year) one would think it would be wise to try to be competitive with the surrounding agencies, lest these new, wondrous, degree-toting millennials get sick of working for civilians, doing SARA "projects" (Here's a solution, go find a problem!) or being code enforcement with a gun, and decide to apply to be a real cop elsewhere.

With the homestead exemption and the school safety bills looming on the horizon this year, I hope at least one of you upstairs is paying attention. You think this place is "green" now? Do you have *any* idea how many tenured people are processing with other agencies right now? Do you care?

Also... the most recent promotions. JR was a good one, nicely done. AB and JB? Seriously? And then you have the balls to say this is the first time a promotion has never caused controversy? JB was a lazy, call-dodging slug on patrol and then put in for motors where he could not ride a motorcycle on duty due to “vertigo”, yet while on light duty he rode his personal motorcycle to and from work... brilliant.

AB is one of the most worthless Deputies we have at this agency. Could not handle the road, so he goes to schools. He constantly left his school to go assist the road (He can fill out a tow sheet like nobody's business) then lies and tries to start an IA about another Deputy not being at the detail that he was actually at because of a personal issue with him. Not to mention the fact that if you listened to the radio *at all* during the day, this idiot could not stop transmitting on the primary channel for the most trivial school related matters. He is an absolute coward that let a 15 year old girl dictate a physical confrontation, and put him on light duty. He is 6'5 and easily 300 lbs. The guy has almost NO patrol experience and you decide to put him in charge of a squad of mostly 2 year or less deputies. I can't wait to see how this turns out. But then again, how much patrol experience do you actually have? Not much if memory serves correctly.

People who have never done anything in their careers get promoted, and in turn promote the same type of people. There are very few real cops left in the chain of command. You ran the last damn good one out. SB.

This is not a corporation. I don't lay it all at your feet Sheriff, this place was already in a hole before you officially took over, but you and your civilian "chiefs" have kept the digging at a furious pace. I doubt we'll be able to recover by the time your successor gets into office.

Maybe we should add another 15 PIOs? Or finishing stickering up that new ice cream truck? Or take that shiny new bearcat for a spin? Or make that final payment on that new helicopter with your name on the side of it that we don't need (after sinking almost 1 mil in Alert 1’s camera system)... all while touting how amazing and progressive this place is. Maybe you’ll get 3%, but now we need to add another 15 SRO’s. And health insurance is going up again.

If the public knew we pulled nearly 40 Deputies off the road to cover schools that don't really need a Deputy at them, and how critically understaffed we on the road have been for the last 3 years, they would be absolutely disgusted. The media tour when this was going on was appalling. We have a "cop" (used loosely) at your kids school doing nothing; but no one in your neighborhood during the day or night. Where are your priorities? Wait... we already know. On social media, making sure we look like the friendliest cops around. Quick, get your eclipse glasses on!

Oh, and don’t even get me started on that School Therapy K9 bullshit. What a complete and utter joke. Agencies around the country are laughing at us.

You say your employees are your most valuable asset. It sure as hell doesn't feel like it when we've been denied PTO due to staffing, we're covering 2-3 zones at a time, have supervisors that can’t make decisions, won't hold subordinates accountable, and refuse to tell people to clear BS calls and cover their zone.

What makes people happy? Working for competent people who have done the job, and having enough money to provide for their families, and when you establish a minimum staffing level, enforce that limit.
None of which we have here.

The mass exodus is going to be glorious. These new kids you've hired... they're gone once they get a year or so under their belt, and realize this agency is not about police work, nor is it about ensuring we pay our people a decent wage. I'm sure OPD and OCSO will appreciate the tenured new hires you'll have given them in a few years. And I’ll I bet they’ll be able to hand out ice cream like nobody’s business.

This is not Disney. Stop trying to make "magic" happen. New guns, toys and the elimination of the rank structure are not going to keep people here. A decent wage and feeling like we're working for people who know how to do the job that we do, will. We are a Law Enforcement Agency. Not a customer retention division at a corporation.

You’re all about member engagement right? Where was our input on the new zone restructuring? Never once were we asked what we thought or did we hear about how our input was valued. It was just an email and Boom! Here are your new zones. Utterly ridiculous.

By the way, you said you wouldn't pull any more people for specialized units until the road was fully staffed, which you held true on. But you didn't say you wouldn’t create and staff a new specialized unit.... more proof that staffing and patrol is not your priority.

This property crimes task force stupidity is a lawsuit waiting to happen. You have allowed the absolute worst from every division to band together and run around in jeans and tactical vests picking up warrants, making under 20 and DWLS arrests, and straight up crashing their cars into suspects in neighboring counties. You loved Clutter and Ducharme terrorizing sanford until they got caught doing something incredibly stupid and unlawful. You eventually terminate them for it, and now you create a unit and sanction them to do the exact. same. shit. Brilliant!

Also, you give civilians 6 paid days off (that isn’t deducted from their PTO) for the hurricane, but only give mandatory responders 1 admin reward day? Civilians continue getting the preferential treatment, While those of us that worked 10+ days in a row with no power at home are getting screwed- again.

The only thing that will make me believe in magic will be if you're not re-elected. You're awful. I've never met a more disingenuous and fake person in a position of power. We *all* see it.

A bad manager can take a good workplace and destroy it. You're driving people away, and those that are stuck are so upset and disgruntled that no one is motivated to do anything anymore.

No one trusts you or the rest of the administration. You’ve made it clear you don’t care that people are leaving for more money elsewhere. Really? That’s your answer?

Maybe if you dropped the politician facade and came out to calls with patrol every once and awhile, you'd earn some respect from us. At least Eslinger had some real cop work under his belt.

I’m gonna drag my fifth wheel down to one of the schools and contemplate every decision in my life that led me to this agency.

We know you’re going to demote MD and BL. Screw the good people while you astronomically promote a guy that had only been here 7 years. How was his wedding by the way? It was all over his Facebook that you officiated it. How did that feel to see his face all over the news? Realizing the extent of his sexual deviance after already knowing he’d done this shit before? That’s Captain quality at SCSO. More quality control through your amazing “leadership”.

I bet Eslinger is absolutely livid with what you’ve done to this place.

In the almost 20 years I’ve been here, I’ve never been more ashamed to wear this uniform than I am now.

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People, Life is too short to worry about anything. You had better enjoy it because the next day promises nothing.

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"People, Life is too short to worry about anything. You had better enjoy it because the next day promises nothing."

Well, thank you for solving it all for us! The only advice I've seen on this thread that is better is the guy who said anyone with a concern or issue should just leave. I feel so relieved now. Behind on mortgage? Daycare cost bankrupting you? Healthcare cost for your kids illnesses causing you to have to take out loans? Working two jobs just to be able to pay the mortgage? The secret solution to all of this? Just don't worry! Genius!

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People, Life is too short to worry about anything. You had better enjoy it because the next day promises nothing.

Your so right, life is too short so why not fight to get paid right now. Also how can we enjoy life if we cannot provide for the ones we love. Promises are also meant to be kept, and I can assure you if shit doesn’t get fixed around here, tomorrow will bring a new Sheriff.

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I’ve read each and every post numerous times. I’m going to agree with the majority and what has been said. I don’t agree with bashing individuals for personal disagreements or anger for where they are or how they were promoted. These are examples of issues that should and will hopefully be corrected. We need to work together and correct the concerns within our agency, but remain a family. We got into this career with the understanding of brotherhood and sisterhood, let’s not forget it.

We all know pay is an issue and we look to our command for support. We are losing employees at an astronomical rate and it’s not good. We have an amazing agency, but we need leadership that will look out for the troops before themselves and their next “rank.”

——STEP PLAN——

My hope is the Sheriff will consider all possibilities and fight for what is right within your organization. We have seen to many greedy individuals within our command and we are tired of seeing good people get passed up or punished for doing what’s right.

Our job is tough enough and stressful enough. Why do we need more stress from you.

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For decades it has been status quo at SCSO, the men and women of this department deserve better as do the residents of this county. There are ways to correct the many issues, pay and moral number one. Here is a thought how about someone from the outside who owes no favors.

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I’m thankful to have a great job at a fabulous agency with management who do care. If you’ve never worked anywhere else, you’ve got nothing to compare it to. count your blessings. SCSO has true leadership. Quit whining and start working to solve your issues. Misery does love company so take the s$&@ over the county line.

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DL does not care because it does not affect him. He is not the one who needs more pay or time off. SCSO has been short staffed for years now. The lack of leadership and foresight has caused the staffing problem and now it’s being twisted and blamed as a pto issue. Kissing babies and handing out snow cones does not make the agency great and it does not make neighborhoods safer. That’s what happens when the top doesn’t know or remember how to be a cop. None of the command staff have worked the road in many years. I want to puke every time I hear DL say he understands because he worked this or that position. That was forever ago and he just thinks he remembers but in reality he doesn’t have a clue. How about working a CSA for a day. At least DE pulled over a car once in a while. Too little too late. 17-01 is going to become 17-92 if he doesn’t do something soon.

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I’ve read each and every post numerous times. I’m going to agree with the majority and what has been said. I don’t agree with bashing individuals for personal disagreements or anger for where they are or how they were promoted. These are examples of issues that should and will hopefully be corrected. We need to work together and correct the concerns within our agency, but remain a family. We got into this career with the understanding of brotherhood and sisterhood, let’s not forget it.

We all know pay is an issue and we look to our command for support. We are losing employees at an astronomical rate and it’s not good. We have an amazing agency, but we need leadership that will look out for the troops before themselves and their next “rank.”

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My hope is the Sheriff will consider all possibilities and fight for what is right within your organization. We have seen to many greedy individuals within our command and we are tired of seeing good people get passed up or punished for doing what’s right.

Our job is tough enough and stressful enough. Why do we need more stress from you.

Best post in the whole thread. Agreed.

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I’m thankful to have a great job at a fabulous agency with management who do care. If you’ve never worked anywhere else, you’ve got nothing to compare it to. count your blessings. SCSO has true leadership. Quit whining and start working to solve your issues. Misery does love company so take the s$&@ over the county line.

Well we are glad you are happy. If you are one of the chosen count your blessings. But, remember it can change fast as a tornado and you’re on the outside looking in. If you are a command member then don’t just say you care but actually do.

It’s the wrong mindset to say take it “over the county line”. If you lose tenured Deputies (covering sworn/certified) or even civilian such as dispatchaers, etc. you have a lot of kids running around without adult supervision. They may have good intentions, but, they need leaders, which this is the deputies and sergeants on the ROAD, to look up to and guide. So they learn that complicated balance of law enforcement.

Many “me” generation can’t see farther than what are you going to give me next. They also struggle with spirit of the law versus letter of the law. If we go solely by letter everyone goes to jail everyone gets tickets. Seasoned guys and gals are the one to show good descretion.

Also if you’re new to this, then it all looks great because you’re excited to be a cop. But as the shininess wears off. You’ll see the need for good pay. Better co-workers, etc, don’t lose sight of the big picture. That’s what the original poster is putting out there. Maybe a little crude but, we wanted to be here. But it seems they don’t care once you’re in the door. We want to be wanted to be here as well.

I think the nasty remarks towards each other need to be less. It is US that is who needs to be together. It is US that will make the changes. If we are bickering amongst US then we are distracted from the THEM.

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https://www.facebook.com/mattmorgan4longwood/posts/329913994199042

Congratulations to the Longwood police officers who like us deserved something better. They got it! Now it's our turn, right? Surely with every single Department around us getting incredible improvements, we won't be left in the dust. Will we?

[Unregistered]

Maybe its time we take matters into our own hands. If the administration is not willing to go to the county commissioners we should by writing them ourselves. We can tell them about the poor pay in this wealthy county, the inmates are running the jail and the citizens will have no-one protecting them because we can’t fill road patrol. Let them hear it from us.

To the person with the statement “if you don’t like it leave” we hope you are not in leadership because that is an idiotic statement when so many people are saying the same thing. We are also guessing you don’t work a POD, dispatch or road patrol because you don’t know what it is like to wonder if you are going to have backup or not, in the jail or on the road, if a dispatcher is going to hear you because he/she is working too many radio’s. I’m guessing you are safe and sound in an office somewhere, enjoy it because if you have any other skills they may need them in a POD, dispatch or on the road soon.

Lets not quote a well respected man, John E Polk, from 30+ years ago, lets quote a more current well respected man, Colin Powell- “Leadership is solving problems. The day soldiers stopped bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help or concluded you don’t care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” Keep up with times, even though it is on this site we hope someone is listening.

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"People, Life is too short to worry about anything. You had better enjoy it because the next day promises nothing."

Well, thank you for solving it all for us! The only advice I've seen on this thread that is better is the guy who said anyone with a concern or issue should just leave. I feel so relieved now. Behind on mortgage? Daycare cost bankrupting you? Healthcare cost for your kids illnesses causing you to have to take out loans? Working two jobs just to be able to pay the mortgage? The secret solution to all of this? Just don't worry! Genius!

From this post I can tell you are a Millennial, everything is owed to you! It was your decision to go into LE, guess you should have gone to college and got a degree and ended up with a different career where you got paid more money. WOW, it is always someone elses fault. WTH

[Unregistered]

This entire thread is complete and utter unmitigated horse shit. The original poster should be ashamed as should the rest of this "vocal" minority who have chosen to speak boldly here under the protection of anonymity rather than putting their names on the line, stepping up, and putting in for leadership, or making suggestions, in order to help change the agency for the better. Instead, you choose to attack the other members of the SCSO. Why not submit a proposal for reorganization, or better yet, go ahead and author a budget that accomplishes your goals without compromising the principles of the agency or laying off half your co-workers. Best of luck!

[Unregistered]

I am a former SCSO employee who left the agency for a lot of the reasons posted. I left because I left there was a disconnect in the message that was being given by DL via the chain of command and the manner in which that message was being passed down to the troops on the frontline. However, I personally think DL is a good man, and it crushed me that I felt I had to leave the agency to make a point. I think DL is going to try and do the right thing, fixing the problems that are being spoken about on this forum. The problem in the past has been people complain about certain issues in private but when we attended open forum meetings, ninety percent you didn’t say anything, so only the few of us that spoke up were labeled as disgruntled employees by our leadership, but we were speaking not only for ourselves, but for you. Just remember that you guys and gals are a team and must work together to come up with solutions to fix these problems, and don’t be afraid to stand up and say something to the leadership. I wish you all the best and hope these problems can be resolved.

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From this post I can tell you are a Millennial, everything is owed to you! It was your decision to go into LE, guess you should have gone to college and got a degree and ended up with a different career where you got paid more money. WOW, it is always someone elses fault. WTH

Help me out here because I'm confused. Are you saying the solution IS to just not worry about it? I'm not a millennial. I did graduate college. And, no, it's not someone else's fault. I got into this career with a progressive agency in a county with plenty of money under the belief my employer would keep up with the cost of living and demonstrate a compensation package equivalent to the economical growth of the county. I don't see that right now. This county is booming. Every bare piece of land is either for sale or being built on. The cities are keeping up. Why aren't we?

[Unregistered]

The original poster should be ashamed as should the rest of this "vocal" minority who have chosen to speak boldly here under the protection of anonymity

Says the self-righteous person who did not identify themself. ..

But I do believe things will get better.

[Unregistered]

Says the self-righteous person who did not identify themself. ..

But I do believe things will get better.

Predictable response, and fair, but it doesn't appear you disagree... I'm also glad you believe things will get better. Maybe you can be part of the solution and not the problem.

[Unregistered]

I am going to start off by saying I deeply saddened to see everyone on this blog acting like a bunch of whining children. It makes us look petty. This is not the venue, or the way to get a pay raise. Do I want more money, yes. Do I feel like I deserve more money, after 23 years in this career, hell yes. But unlike the most of you that have been crying on here like a bunch of dumped prom dates, I understand and see the big picture. The Sheriff does not have unlimited access to unlimited funds. Things do not happen overnight and definitely not in the time frame children that grew up in an on demand society are used to. There is a proper way to accomplish OUR objectives without bringing discredit to our uniform and agency. We have a few problems, that is no secret and I am pretty sure the Sheriff is aware of them. These problems did not develop since January 2017, they were there all along just waiting to manifest themselves. If you don't want to take the time and come up with a solution or recommendation, allow those who do, a chance to work on it. We may need to seek public support to gain additional funding from the county commission, and the foolishness on this blog won't help. Another thing to remember is if we anger the county commission, they have actions that they can take to reduce the sheriff's office budget, and authorities. They are already trying right now to strip the tax collector, property appraiser, supervisor or elections, clerk of courts, and sheriff of their constitutional powers. Is that what you want? To work for the county commission? We need to maintain our self respect and professionalism. Many of you have never worked for another agency, I have worn many badges in my career, so far this one has been the best. Please don't let you be the ones to change that.

[Unregistered]

I am going to start off by saying I deeply saddened to see everyone on this blog acting like a bunch of whining children. It makes us look petty. This is not the venue, or the way to get a pay raise. Do I want more money, yes. Do I feel like I deserve more money, after 23 years in this career, hell yes. But unlike the most of you that have been crying on here like a bunch of dumped prom dates, I understand and see the big picture. The Sheriff does not have unlimited access to unlimited funds. Things do not happen overnight and definitely not in the time frame children that grew up in an on demand society are used to. There is a proper way to accomplish OUR objectives without bringing discredit to our uniform and agency. We have a few problems, that is no secret and I am pretty sure the Sheriff is aware of them. These problems did not develop since January 2017, they were there all along just waiting to manifest themselves. If you don't want to take the time and come up with a solution or recommendation, allow those who do, a chance to work on it. We may need to seek public support to gain additional funding from the county commission, and the foolishness on this blog won't help. Another thing to remember is if we anger the county commission, they have actions that they can take to reduce the sheriff's office budget, and authorities. They are already trying right now to strip the tax collector, property appraiser, supervisor or elections, clerk of courts, and sheriff of their constitutional powers. Is that what you want? To work for the county commission? We need to maintain our self respect and professionalism. Many of you have never worked for another agency, I have worn many badges in my career, so far this one has been the best. Please don't let you be the ones to change that.


Ok, so let me try to understand your point of view here. You attempt to berate us based on your professionalism and 23 years of service at this agency. This forum was created to voice anyone’s opinion, however they feel about this topic. Whether it comes across abrasive, tasteless, or just way off left field, it is just that an “opinion”. Let’s make sure we’re on the same page about these little problems plaguing our agency. The Sheriff has had the luxury of spending his entire career here and has had insider access to all of the issues surrounding all of us. He has been well aware with issues of morale, pay and more importantly, employee retention. There is absolutely no excuse for his refusal to address this concerns from the very second he took the oath. There is no doubt in my mind we can come together as an agency and work towards fixing what has been broken for many years but it will take the Sheriff to work along with us as opposed to fulfilling his political agenda and image.

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I am going to start off by saying I deeply saddened to see everyone on this blog acting like a bunch of whining children. It makes us look petty. This is not the venue, or the way to get a pay raise. Do I want more money, yes. Do I feel like I deserve more money, after 23 years in this career, hell yes. But unlike the most of you that have been crying on here like a bunch of dumped prom dates, I understand and see the big picture. The Sheriff does not have unlimited access to unlimited funds. Things do not happen overnight and definitely not in the time frame children that grew up in an on demand society are used to. There is a proper way to accomplish OUR objectives without bringing discredit to our uniform and agency. We have a few problems, that is no secret and I am pretty sure the Sheriff is aware of them. These problems did not develop since January 2017, they were there all along just waiting to manifest themselves. If you don't want to take the time and come up with a solution or recommendation, allow those who do, a chance to work on it. We may need to seek public support to gain additional funding from the county commission, and the foolishness on this blog won't help. Another thing to remember is if we anger the county commission, they have actions that they can take to reduce the sheriff's office budget, and authorities. They are already trying right now to strip the tax collector, property appraiser, supervisor or elections, clerk of courts, and sheriff of their constitutional powers. Is that what you want? To work for the county commission? We need to maintain our self respect and professionalism. Many of you have never worked for another agency, I have worn many badges in my career, so far this one has been the best. Please don't let you be the ones to change that.

Yes, it is truly sad that employees have been beat down and afraid to voice their concerns in the open for several years that we have to resort to speaking in anonymity on an online forum. The person who responded to you first acknowledged that we understand some of these problems were not created by DL and have been festering for years. Let's not forget the most recent last years though. How many times were we told, "we have a 5 year plan to fix pay"? While they held meeting after meeting with every division to appease us. Maybe I missed the memo but I never laid eyes on a 5 year plan nor do I believe they could have provided one if asked. Instead year after year last minute adjustments were put in place. We all continued to have faith and believe and trust the process, which has failed us. Life isn't perfect and neither is this place. We understand the big picture and all we hope for is a leader that is willing to go to bat for us. There has been lot of seasoned employees speaking up lately and I believe this is a great opportunity to make some changes. I am interested to see how, if any, employees opinions or mindsets change if another year goes by without any change or attempt at change.

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I do agree that there is only so much that can be done about pay. That always seems to work out because the agency as a whole was in great standing. Now there is so many harsh issues enhancing the pay problem.

So anywho- How refreshing it is to see so many able to speak without the fear of immediate persecution. I am not sure where I want to start and many of this might have been said but hey let’s give it a roll.
I will start by saying that DL is a great person and I do still feel he can do something he just needs the right people around him.

The truth hurts and might offend however most can learn from it. Here at SCSO you must hold it in and just fade away in the shadows. Well ok, you can speak the truth. Alright well let’s say attempt to bring attention to the problems. Nope not in this department, you suddenly get moved to “nights” or “watch commander” in an instant, ask a few Lt’s. You might even get preached to about how they see it differently in their horrible political agenda nonsense. Maybe what you have to say might even get sent over to the very people who are the very problems. For them to handle? What was that all about? I’m sure that was a good conversation. That’s apparently what happened to a couple of our good guys trying to catch the problems as they started. Yet you ask people for the truth and to speak up and wonder why there is crickets in the room. Sorry let’s not exclude the apple- polishers or fawner (look them up).

Let’s move on. Here at SCSO if you neglect your duties, try scamming the S.O. or just flat lazy and shouldn’t even be able to wear the uniform, its ok we’ll just keep “writing you up” and sending it up the “chain” to the abyss of lies and buddies for nothing to happen. What ever happened to the time when you screw up bad enough or hey maybe weren’t doing your job, you get moved out of the way so someone who really wants the position could come in and do something for the community. Yup the transfer took place within days. Oh yeah I forgot, the supervisors are some of those very people on the naughty list so don’t count on it to get handled properly. Besides you did score highest on the multiple choice cram session and extremely subjective promotional process. No I didn’t forget, you might have been best buddies with the right person who got you pushed up the chain. Highlighting one fairly large problem, no one is even sure how they choose the ones they promote. How about listening to the good supervisors that are trying to clean up their units. Open your eyes and help them out. If they suggest moving someone then try it. You might be surprised about what starts happening.

Anyway, I imagine all the wonderful people sitting quietly waiting for a position to do something good and they are being held up by some sort of weak politics or the buddy system or just plain bad management. Ok calm down, no one said fire them all. I get it, there’s not many left. Please just at least wake them up by getting them out of the specialized units to do something else. The last I checked lateral transfers have always been free! What’s that you say? No one wants them in their division? Houston we identified a problem that might be bigger than we think! Can anyone figure out how to handle it? Nope just write them up and ignore it. Maybe if you stop looking it might go away. “Well just don’t look under the bed” your parents said. “Then you won’t see the monster”! How’s that working out?

Has anyone asked the Captains and Lt’s what they think and to evaluate their people?? Sorry I guess you’ll just have to settle with the measly, flat out horrible stats that can easily be found with all the great reporting we have. Yeah you can see how many of the bad ones are pretty bad. Sadly I watch them victimize the victims over and over that they have sworn to serve. This happens on a regular basis. Why not they just wanted to stop 10-65ing! Hey there is a whole unit in the department that just hangs out at their office, playing with, breaking and fixing their equipment. No one even cares to ask what in the world they do with all that expensive equipment they have. The numbers don’t lie. Nothing is still nothing no matter who tells you. Some just bury it under a few good stories.

Here’s a novel idea. Use the newly formed crew of Captains and staff that were picked to identify problems or whatever, to start auditing and evaluating your departments and units. Hey let them investigate all the way to the top. Let them pop in and check the stats and evaluations to see how little the majority of them are doing and how bad they are. Now that’s an awesome unit to have floating around. Hey let them make suggestions of who stays and who needs to go. What does that Lt. do? What is that person's role? The same as the other other two people in the other units. Ok so no one actually knows. Hey I found some budget cuts over here! Sounds like fun. Sign me up!

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Today was quite a day! HOORAH! Big guy for putting your foot down. It was spectacular to hear and it again seemed to have the glimpse of hope in it! However I am sad to say that this has been brought to your attention before and we have seen that gleam in your eye before. Sadly by many great people. The ones who saw the fire in you before were your supporters who believed in you! They cared about what they saw and cared enough about the agency to open up even though they would surely be persecuted (and did). You might want to revisit some of them. What about the group of your administration (lower levels of course) that were trying to warn you about this? I would imagine you could look back and agree they were right. They mustered up enough courage to go against the machine to try to bring it to your attention! What was done then? What was promised? Sadly we all just hear rumors. If it was my agency, the next few meetings I schedule would be trying to gain the respect and trust of those very people who were brave enough to stand up back then. Ok, you’re right. I’m not smart enough to be the one who runs this place. I get it. Never said I was.

But what could be holding up the process?? If the system is broken and the ties to all of them is so great the problems will not even get addressed. They will be swept under the rug.

Maybe it’s good Ol’ NO. 2? WHO DOES NO. 2 WORK FOR??? We all want to know. I would think another political force or maybe himself? Whatever that is, I would be highly concerned about his motives. How many people have to leave, heck run, from your office to get as far away from that guy before it would be considered a problem? When your command staff is creating problems then being the ones assigned to deal with them or meet with the ones who have the problem… I imagine not much is being resolved.

Not sure what No. 2 has on you but it must be good. That’s what the rumors are saying. They are also sadly wondering if he is trying to mess this up so he can maneuver in and run for your position. Whatever, just rumors.
I wonder how many have warned you of what was happening and what was coming if you left “those people” in the positions they were in. I hear it was several. Until that very information was placed in front of “those people”, apparently on their desk for them to share with those involved. It’s like a chapter from a book about the Mafia. Don’t question or even bring it to the attention of others you’ll be cast out and placed in fear for your job. Hey what happened in the several meeting’s that No. 2 had with several of the people who called out the horrible behavior that was starting? We all want to know. I hear one guy was treated like the Mafia was warning / threatening him. Even heard there were others of rank and even a civilian in on the meeting. Apparently the civilian was able to blast the ranking person. Really?? How does that happen? Anyone want to know a snippet about the word Mafia -a closed group of people in a particular field, having a controlling influence. Yup and good Ol’ LT is the boss! What are they calling him - "Lazy Lou"? I would apologize but I am aware that it was brought to the attention of those who could stop it and… Bazinga! Here we are.

Some of the greatest supporters of the agency risked their careers to go out on a wire and bring the problems to the attention of command and what happened? How did it get handled? I ask all of you to look around? Who are the quiet ones now? Who are the ones that do so much yet don’t ask for anything? Who are the ones going against the machine (Mafia)? Might want to sit down and find out what they know if you want to fix some things.
I again say you should go back a year or so and think of those who spoke up when you asked. Yes I recall when you asked and most sat silently. Typical of most meetings with the man. But what was that? A few brave souls spoke up, putting fear and persecution aside to help you. I would call them back in and ask them for help! They tried to stop this train before it got rolling but you threw the worst of them all in the front to press on the throttle. WHOO WHOO- out of way or get run over.

I heard you said you now fear that you would not get re-elected. I say you can save it. There are plenty who believe in you but you have to dig deep and push some of the politics out of the way. This means you might have to drain the swamp. Take a look to those closest to you and evaluate what has really been taking place. Your right hand man and crew are making a mess of the agency. If you get demoted for being a bully then somehow promoted twice in very short time to be a Captain and have to remind subordinates what your position is and that you are better than them, yup I think the system is flawed! Sounds like the same behavior that got you in trouble before. But hey that guy has some swell help backing him up. Who? Maybe the Sgt. Who tried to swindle the SO out of a $25K boat that he had ordered to be decommissioned for no good reason. Why? So he can set up his girl to bid on it and win for far less than it should be sold. How? By using his own buddies’ auction company that doesn’t typically sell boats. Yeah sounds crooked right. Oh wait so they even put his oh so honest lady friend in charge of the SO non-profit organization. Maybe an audit should be in the works. Just sayin’

Stay safe all!
I’ll be back!

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This means you might have to drain the swamp. Take a look to those closest to you and evaluate what has really been taking place. Your right hand man and crew are making a mess of the agency. If you get demoted for being a bully then somehow promoted twice in very short time to be a Captain and have to remind subordinates what your position is and that you are better than them, yup I think the system is flawed! Sounds like the same behavior that got you in trouble before. But hey that guy has some swell help backing him up. Who? Maybe the Sgt. Who tried to swindle the SO out of a $25K boat that he had ordered to be decommissioned for no good reason. Why? So he can set up his girl to bid on it and win for far less than it should be sold. How? By using his own buddies’ auction company that doesn’t typically sell boats. Yeah sounds crooked right. Oh wait so they even put his oh so honest lady friend in charge of the SO non-profit organization. Maybe an audit should be in the works. Just sayin’

Stay safe all!
I’ll be back!
I guess he is referring to MP and CS..... Special Ops. I'm sure there is more to the story..,........

[Albrecht]

We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.

I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.

Respectfully,

Charlie Albrecht

[759charles]

We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.


I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.


Respectfully,


Charlie Albrecht

[759charles]

We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.

I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.

Respectfully,

Charlie Albrecht

[Unregistered]

Ok, so let me try to understand your point of view here. You attempt to berate us based on your professionalism and 23 years of service at this agency. This forum was created to voice anyone’s opinion, however they feel about this topic. Whether it comes across abrasive, tasteless, or just way off left field, it is just that an “opinion”. Let’s make sure we’re on the same page about these little problems plaguing our agency. The Sheriff has had the luxury of spending his entire career here and has had insider access to all of the issues surrounding all of us. He has been well aware with issues of morale, pay and more importantly, employee retention. There is absolutely no excuse for his refusal to address this concerns from the very second he took the oath. There is no doubt in my mind we can come together as an agency and work towards fixing what has been broken for many years but it will take the Sheriff to work along with us as opposed to fulfilling his political agenda and image.

Read more closely...the writer wrote 23 years in LE. He/she has probably jumped from agency to agency.

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Gotta love freedom of speech!!! Too bad retaliation prevails when it comes down to it. Whoever the author may be is not a coward, just being smart about his opinion. The truth can hurt sometimes and like DL advised in meetings, sometimes everyone needs to here the truth. If you are posting a negative response against the author, then you are probably a millennial who acutally doesn’t know any better or someone of rank who is too busy kissing up to DL, or someone who is trying to make rank and still has hope that they will actually get promoted. Wake up people, the boss wants to do away with rank!!! Haven’t you heard his speeches. Plus they use the promotional list to their advantage. It’s been proven time and time again, just look at who’s been promoted.
Anyone with any time at this place knows that the former boss was a sad human being. He was a drunk, a womanizer, had low self-esteem, (hence his shoe inserts to make him taller and the motivational CD’s he listened to daily). He may have improved the agency to what it is today; however, he was no angel and everyone knows that.
As for the current boss, well let’s look at his mentor. That should pretty much sum it all up. Someone at CJC knows the truth about a certain female claiming to be in a certain relationship with a certain someone. Hmmm, maybe everyone should keep their eyes open on this. The number one priority for DL is securing his future, that’s it!!! He is not going to rock the boat, make enemies or do anything that will lose the popular votes he needs to be re-elected. All these speeches and committees is a smoke screen, pulling the wool over our eyes just so he can buy time, change the perception, and secure the support of those who believe everything he says.
He has surrounded himself by members of this agency with less experience then himself. What does that say about his leadership and the future of our agency? Are you telling me that if something happens to him or if he is somewhere far away “We” have to rely on LT or MC??? That in itself should tell you the future of our agency. DL is not going to surround himself by anyone with more time on the job then him, anyone who will question his decisions, anyone with actual experience and qualifications to run an agency. We all had high hopes for DL and so far it’s not looking good for him.
Look at the past and present leadership!!! LT as the #2 in charge, really!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone and everyone with time on the job knows he’s been riding everyone’s wings, coat tails, etc. and now he was chosen to be #2. Again, DL will not bring anyone in with more experience. Hence the reason he got rid of EA and SB. Mistake getting rid of EA but good idea getting rid of SB. SB pinned on those stars and thought he was a GOD. He was getting ****y and became a man who stood behind the rank on his collar. Now he’s a pathetic person teaching at SSC. He is one man that never has or ever will scare me. #Ballou2020 are you kidding me!!! Smart move getting rid of him. Don’t think EA wasn’t asked to leave either.
MC, Chief of Staff, OMG really??? This guy must have all the secrets from ML. What has MC ever done at this place? ANSWER: NOTHING!!! Nice guy and I actually like you MC but you are no Chief of Staff. You’re equivalent to maybe a Lieutenant. Advice, keep getting DL coffee and papers. Keep your mouth shut and maybe that will gain some respect from the majority but doubt it.
The Civilian Chiefs, really?????? This isn’t Walmart and this alone should tell you where we are heading as an agency. If DL wants to get rid of rank then start with them. Everyone thinks this is only about pay. Re-read some of these posts and the focus seems to be pay. DL is not responsible for where we are today. He is responsible for the past couple years and you can bet he has influence on the decisions before DE left. Let’s look at some clear examples of why people think this place is unfair, other than the obvious pay issue.
The Captains:
MC over CPS, really??? OMG, I should have ran a computer during the campaign. What a joke this guy is and what has he done here, financial crimes!!! Easy, slow down with that but guess it paid off, oh no wait you were heavily into the campaign. Don’t blame it on the former boss either, we all know DL had input with promotions prior to taking over.
CL and SL, another OMG really??? CL is so condescending that she just sounds stupid. She is one female who would break at the first moment of stress. We have all seen it and just because you pin on some CPT bars does not make you a leader or in her case a COP.
SL, he’s about as smart as grass. He sounds about as smart as his laugh. Everyone has known that for years and still sees what an idiot he is. Guess we should have worked with you DL in the jail to make rank. Reminder: Work on making my laugh sound more stupid. We won’t even touch the issue of those two riding with each other during their time in SNP. It’s the norm here and I am just waiting for the female to come forward. That may change everything.
KB, this idiot should have never gone to the academy. If you need the black vote that bad or his connections, then please do us all a favor and leave office. Everyone knows this guy shouldn’t even wear a uniform.
KM, someone please find her!!!! She is never around or provides any leadership. Sorry excuse for an LEO period. Does she even speak?? She needs to be part of this enrichment team or whatever you call it. We all know that was created because these are Captains with one foot out the door. Once they are gone so will this magical team.
JJ, OMG thank you for demoting her. Finally the leadership, whoever it was, got something right!!! Her time spreading those legs for all of CCIB and the former CPT has come full circle. Do us another favor and fire her. Sorry excuse for a female LEO.
MP, this guy was the biggest pot stirrer in the agency. He whined when CS left and came back, then left and came back again and then left again and yes came back and then got promoted. MP made sure that his stripes didn’t stay on long. Then MP gets promoted and promoted again and then demoted but re-promoted and then yes wait for it, appointed to CPT. WOW!!!!
RF, this guy is smart to remain quiet. He is no idiot and yes he has done a remarkable job with the new division. Does he deserve the rank of CPT, no, he has not done his time and honestly FWC does not count. However, RF is not arrogant and is one person who is willing do anything you ask of him.
TF, we all know the connection there with SB. Those two were obvious back in the day and look where it got him, back in Juvenile as a CPT. Way to go bro!! Again, our previous boss and ways has surely trickled down.
There are more captains at the jail but honestly you have really let that place go down hill. I feel sorry for our brothers and sisters over there. If their leader allows for the inmates to have more power, more say so, complain, etc. over your deputies, well you are in for a future riot where the blood will be on your hands DL. Wake up and get rid of her. Thank God the CPT who just resigned got caught being naughty. Way to go on that promotion btw! Another example of what lies ahead in the future. New guys just make it over 5 years and you will get promoted to CPT.

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Lieutenants

This could take some time so have patience. VB, OMG really, maybe my wife should cheat on me and I keep my mouth shut so I can get promoted. Oh I will also let someone steal my marked car while I’m at it. Everyone knows this was a “hush hush” promotion, otherwise, he probable never would have made it. Thank god KB retired before the IA started, what a waste of a person. Good luck in the future KB with your current spouse, what goes around comes around and you are not a specimen of fitness that’s for sure.

KM, a female who gives females a bad name in this profession. She has done zero time on the road in any supervisory capacity. Some say she is smart. Smart at what!?!?! Having her mommy and daddy work for the campaign!!!! Yeah, actually that was really genius. Maybe I should see if my parents can come volunteer for the next election. She should be an SRD at an elementary school and that’s about it but wait she will break at the first sign of stress or major incident. Does she even know where her gun is.

MS, another NRU person with no experience and thinks he is a leader. OMG he is even cutting his hair like DL now. Every time I see him at bldg. 100 he looks more like the boss. How pathetic that he wants to mirror everything about DL. His people say he is great at snow cones and popcorn events, the best they’ve ever seen! Sorry excuse for an LEO and person of rank. Don’t worry everyone, he will be your next CPT soon, DL Jr.

CB, OMG we all know this was to fill your quota. This guy is the dumbest of all. You even embarrassed him during one of your meetings by proving to him he couldn’t add simple math. This along with him taking care of his boys in the community. Yeah, maybe FDLE should look into that. Someone in CCIB definitely witnessed it. Way to go on this promotion and keeping him as a Region Commander. That’s our future everyone!!!

KH, wow a lieutenant in charge of video footage. Hmmm, that’s about her speed and another female who gives females a bad rap in this profession. We all know that was a SR move before she left the agency, just like all the other softball team members with no experience who got key positions. I’m surprised we didn’t have mandatory rainbow stickers while SR was here. Thank god uncle fester finally retired. Nothing against softball players because we all love them too but it comes down to equality because of your experience, not gender, race, preferred sexual orientation, etc.

JS, another lieutenant who was fast tracked. He should have never been promoted. You’re a nice guy but you are the laziest person who brags about having nothing to do. The boss should put the pressure on you to do something with the property investigators. I have more faith in them doing their job then you being their boss. You should demote yourself!
RR, another lieutenant is not qualified. She may have her doctorate but she will break the first sign of stress or a major incident. Her father couldn’t even pass FTO yet the agency passed him and no he is at the schools. OMG Really????????? He would be one of those who stands outside the schools during an incident. Both he and his daughter would be outside counting grass blades, scared to do anything and MH would be right there with his prepackaged meals. Thank GOD you demoted him but you should keep going as he is not even fit to be a SGT or an LEO. GO back to the Comm Center MH. That’s about your pace, you were great at dispatching.

SF, we all knew that one was coming. He’s your one pilot you need to keep here since you have given him the checkbook to purchase the most expensive crap for our aviation unit. Everyone in the aviation unit can’t stand him, yet you promote him. Smart on your part to keep him here. Someone look at his pay because it is way above any other Lieutenant. He made sure of that years ago.

PP, OMG no one wants to work for him, no one wants to supervise him. Now he is in charge of CCIB, Really?????? I’m surprised no one has beat his ass yet. Another poor excuse for an LEO. He needs to go back being a mechanic or mowing lawns. Don’t worry everyone, he’s not going anywhere, his daddy our former #2 will make a phone call to save him.
DK, this guy should have been fired a long time ago. All the misery he has caused people. You send him to the courthouse where he almost causes a mutiny. CJC personnel still talk about what a horrible person this guy is. We don’t even want him out here on nights. Thanks DL for doing absolutely nothing to this person.

BS, maybe my mommy should work at the agency for 30 years so I can get promoted. He shouldn’t even be an LEO. Please make him a civilian, that is about his speed and allow him to take his wife with him. She is right up there with dumbest employees. Someone pls remind me to call my parents to come volunteer here at the agency and during the campaign. This really worked for BS and KM.

JS, I heard she was about to get with former CPT BL. Another female who gives female LEO’s a bad rap. Great job reviewing policy and sending out some emails. You make DL think this is a flag ship agency when actually it’s the SS Minnow. She is right up there with KH.

I can look down the 17 list and provide a valid example on every single person. There are only a handful that deserve the rank or title. OH wait, we are transitioning to magic so rank won’t matter. I wonder if Harry Potter will let me use his wand, hmmm. Reminders: send email to Harrypotter@gmail.com Also, find out if our new mickey mouse badges will have chocolate in the middle.

This is our future ladies and gentlemen. Get use to it because nothing is going to change. Anyone with 10 years or more, nothing is really going to change for you. Anyone with seniority are really screwed. DL thinks he has you locked in. He thinks you have no other options, therefore, you are stuck here. Any person who wants to comment on this post in a negative way has blinders on because everyone knows this post is true. Everyone talks about this daily. This has nothing to do with misery loves company. This has to do with what has and is going on in the agency. Those of you who want to post that you love the agency and leadership is the best you have ever seen and blah blah blah, you are probably one of those who has a key position, rank or still has the blinders on, refusing to acknowledge the truth. This post is not a disgruntle employee, it’s a person who listens to everyone else talk. Truth be told we all listen to everyone talk and now the word it getting out.

Get used to it people, nothing is going to change. The pay is actually something that DL can’t change overnight. He can cut some units we don’t need in the agency, NRU being one of them, but that’s not going to happen. Sounds like Motors will be the first to go anyway. Yeah that’s a good decision, take away motors and leave us with NRU, real smart move. Oh and for the dumbass who posted “maybe you should stop whining and submit a proposal” we have, they have, everyone has but if it’s not positive and conforms to what the boss wants to hear or popular than that person is looked upon in a negative way. Yes that really happens genius. Again, this is the truth and valid examples of what has occurred in the agency. You can’t deny that.

[Unregistered]

Gotta love freedom of speech!!! Too bad retaliation prevails when it comes down to it. Whoever the author may be is not a coward, just being smart about his opinion. The truth can hurt sometimes and like DL advised in meetings, sometimes everyone needs to here the truth. If you are posting a negative response against the author, then you are probably a millennial who acutally doesn’t know any better or someone of rank who is too busy kissing up to DL, or someone who is trying to make rank and still has hope that they will actually get promoted. Wake up people, the boss wants to do away with rank!!! Haven’t you heard his speeches. Plus they use the promotional list to their advantage. It’s been proven time and time again, just look at who’s been promoted.
Anyone with any time at this place knows that the former boss was a sad human being. He was a drunk, a womanizer, had low self-esteem, (hence his shoe inserts to make him taller and the motivational CD’s he listened to daily). He may have improved the agency to what it is today; however, he was no angel and everyone knows that.
As for the current boss, well let’s look at his mentor. That should pretty much sum it all up. Someone at CJC knows the truth about a certain female claiming to be in a certain relationship with a certain someone. Hmmm, maybe everyone should keep their eyes open on this. The number one priority for DL is securing his future, that’s it!!! He is not going to rock the boat, make enemies or do anything that will lose the popular votes he needs to be re-elected. All these speeches and committees is a smoke screen, pulling the wool over our eyes just so he can buy time, change the perception, and secure the support of those who believe everything he says.
He has surrounded himself by members of this agency with less experience then himself. What does that say about his leadership and the future of our agency? Are you telling me that if something happens to him or if he is somewhere far away “We” have to rely on LT or MC??? That in itself should tell you the future of our agency. DL is not going to surround himself by anyone with more time on the job then him, anyone who will question his decisions, anyone with actual experience and qualifications to run an agency. We all had high hopes for DL and so far it’s not looking good for him.
Look at the past and present leadership!!! LT as the #2 in charge, really!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone and everyone with time on the job knows he’s been riding everyone’s wings, coat tails, etc. and now he was chosen to be #2. Again, DL will not bring anyone in with more experience. Hence the reason he got rid of EA and SB. Mistake getting rid of EA but good idea getting rid of SB. SB pinned on those stars and thought he was a GOD. He was getting ****y and became a man who stood behind the rank on his collar. Now he’s a pathetic person teaching at SSC. He is one man that never has or ever will scare me. #Ballou2020 are you kidding me!!! Smart move getting rid of him. Don’t think EA wasn’t asked to leave either.
MC, Chief of Staff, OMG really??? This guy must have all the secrets from ML. What has MC ever done at this place? ANSWER: NOTHING!!! Nice guy and I actually like you MC but you are no Chief of Staff. You’re equivalent to maybe a Lieutenant. Advice, keep getting DL coffee and papers. Keep your mouth shut and maybe that will gain some respect from the majority but doubt it.
The Civilian Chiefs, really?????? This isn’t Walmart and this alone should tell you where we are heading as an agency. If DL wants to get rid of rank then start with them. Everyone thinks this is only about pay. Re-read some of these posts and the focus seems to be pay. DL is not responsible for where we are today. He is responsible for the past couple years and you can bet he has influence on the decisions before DE left. Let’s look at some clear examples of why people think this place is unfair, other than the obvious pay issue.
The Captains:
MC over CPS, really??? OMG, I should have ran a computer during the campaign. What a joke this guy is and what has he done here, financial crimes!!! Easy, slow down with that but guess it paid off, oh no wait you were heavily into the campaign. Don’t blame it on the former boss either, we all know DL had input with promotions prior to taking over.
CL and SL, another OMG really??? CL is so condescending that she just sounds stupid. She is one female who would break at the first moment of stress. We have all seen it and just because you pin on some CPT bars does not make you a leader or in her case a COP.
SL, he’s about as smart as grass. He sounds about as smart as his laugh. Everyone has known that for years and still sees what an idiot he is. Guess we should have worked with you DL in the jail to make rank. Reminder: Work on making my laugh sound more stupid. We won’t even touch the issue of those two riding with each other during their time in SNP. It’s the norm here and I am just waiting for the female to come forward. That may change everything.
KB, this idiot should have never gone to the academy. If you need the black vote that bad or his connections, then please do us all a favor and leave office. Everyone knows this guy shouldn’t even wear a uniform.
KM, someone please find her!!!! She is never around or provides any leadership. Sorry excuse for an LEO period. Does she even speak?? She needs to be part of this enrichment team or whatever you call it. We all know that was created because these are Captains with one foot out the door. Once they are gone so will this magical team.
JJ, OMG thank you for demoting her. Finally the leadership, whoever it was, got something right!!! Her time spreading those legs for all of CCIB and the former CPT has come full circle. Do us another favor and fire her. Sorry excuse for a female LEO.
MP, this guy was the biggest pot stirrer in the agency. He whined when CS left and came back, then left and came back again and then left again and yes came back and then got promoted. MP made sure that his stripes didn’t stay on long. Then MP gets promoted and promoted again and then demoted but re-promoted and then yes wait for it, appointed to CPT. WOW!!!!
RF, this guy is smart to remain quiet. He is no idiot and yes he has done a remarkable job with the new division. Does he deserve the rank of CPT, no, he has not done his time and honestly FWC does not count. However, RF is not arrogant and is one person who is willing do anything you ask of him.
TF, we all know the connection there with SB. Those two were obvious back in the day and look where it got him, back in Juvenile as a CPT. Way to go bro!! Again, our previous boss and ways has surely trickled down.
There are more captains at the jail but honestly you have really let that place go down hill. I feel sorry for our brothers and sisters over there. If their leader allows for the inmates to have more power, more say so, complain, etc. over your deputies, well you are in for a future riot where the blood will be on your hands DL. Wake up and get rid of her. Thank God the CPT who just resigned got caught being naughty. Way to go on that promotion btw! Another example of what lies ahead in the future. New guys just make it over 5 years and you will get promoted to CPT.

[759charles]

We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.

I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.

Respectfully,

Charlie Albrecht

[Unregistered]

We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.

I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.

Respectfully,

Charlie Albrecht


Coming from someone who talked down to his people, then got kicked out of DIS and then brought back in. Only to have that one person stand up to him and make him cry, yes tears. Nice try Charlie.

[Unregistered]

This has more to do with than just pay. Our leadership is the worst yet. The same thing occurred with DE and all his issues in the past. A poor sad human being, who was a drunk, womanizer, and had low self esteem. He was an evil person when it came down to it. Now he passed everything on to DL. Someone we had high hopes for and someone who we thought would actually affect change. Our pay issue is not all his fault. That has been an issue that DE created and maintained over the years. Although he did keep from any positions being cut, he made sure to get a raise himself.

DL has his work cut out for him when it comes to the pay issue. I do not agree with him saying he will not go to the BCC to ask for more money and that he wants us, his employees, to figure out how to cut costs and improve the staffing issue. Right now, DL priority is to remain in office. That is his focus and he will not do anything to disrupt that. No rocking the boat, no going against the BCC. DL will do whatever it takes to secure his future. You can’t blame him for that, truth be told, any one of us would probably do the same. Power has a funny way of changing you.

Everyone is talking about pay and yes pay is a huge issue but so is our leadership. Yet, no one is stating the obvious. What has occurred in the past, what is occurring in the present and what is going to occur in the future. First, DL has not and will not surround himself with anyone who has more experience than him or anyone that will challenge him. He made sure of that with EA and SB. Honestly, good for him to get rid of SB. That guy was trouble as soon as he pinned on those stars. He became very arrogant, worse than he was, and entitled. I am glad to see SB gone and now trying to get hours at SSC to teach. EA, he would have been a good Chief but that’s it.

Look at our current leadership.

LT: Are you telling me that he is #2 and we have to rely on him to make decisions if the boss is gone. This guy rode the wings of everyone else during his career. Everyone knows he can’t make a decision and was horrible in DSD. Now he has stars on his collar and DL is relying on him as his #2??????

MC: Another one who you’re telling me we have to rely on. What experience does he bring to the table? He must have all the dirt, all the files passed down to him from ML. How this guy made it to his current position is beyond anyone. What stressful situation or decision has he made during his career. What leadership experience does he bring to the table to be in his current position??? None!!!

DP: Great at DIS but a Chief, we will soon know. DP is a very smart person, lacks in being a man, but I think we should give him a chance. At least he stood up for CR and overturned that stupid decision by SL.

KM: Has anyone seen her? Far from being any sort of leader, supervisor or LEO. She lacks any personality, the ability to speak with her people and even make an appearance. Did she ever deploy her K-9 when she had it?? Poor excuse for having any rank.

CL: She could be ok, if she just learned to be humble. She can be so arrogant that it really makes her sound stupid. Everyone knows that at the first sign of stress and a major incident she will be hiding somewhere and come out to flex her CPT bars when the smoke has cleared. Kind of like the FD in their big red truck.

SL: People in the jail can’t even believe he’s where he’s at. No one in this place can believe it. He’s as smart as his
laugh. He too is now turning out to be someone who stands behind the rank. Too afraid to confront anyone without it. Maybe we should have worked in the jail with DL also. We won’t even discuss him riding with CL on night shift. Yeah, that is one of those sensitive subjects that has been overlooked by administration. “It’s in the past people”, which translates to the statue of limitations has ran out on that issue.

KP: Never should have gone to the academy. Shouldn’t even be allowed to carry a gun or badge. Everyone knows his son borrowed his unmarked car and ran from LEO couple years back. This is one person who shouldn’t even be at the agency. If DL needs his “connections” that bad then we are truly in a world of hurt. Another DE created position that DL maintains.

MP: This guy created more issues when it came to promotions until he got where he is today. He is the one who made sure CS did not keep his stripes when he first got promoted. Honestly, CS you left and came back and then left and came back again and then left and came back one more time. However, MP made sure you didn’t keep those stripes long. Then MP gets promoted, promoted again and then demoted and then repromoted again and then yes wait for it, appointed to CPT. WOW that sums up this place right there. MP is a smart guy but he is like that dwarf off of Game of Thrones, very mischievous in getting his way.

RF: He has done a great job with his division. No one can take that from him. Does he deserve the rank of CPT, not yet but someday he might be deserving of it. He will make a good leader someday and truth be told, he is willing to help and do whatever anyone asks of him no matter of rank. Keep it up RF.

TF: We all know the relationship between him and SB over the years. Amazing how TF is assigned back to his current spot under SB. Hmmm, anyone else see that??? While on the topic of SB, yes we all know how you got there. Good job!!! Way to represent the female force.

JJ: Thank God you had sense enough to demote her. The time she had in CCIB and with the former CPT of CCIB and the mutiny she was creating in CPS. Her time has come and what goes around comes around for her. Everyone knows who she was in CCIB and who she did.

Yes these are our “leaders” who will take us into the future, oh wait, drive us into the ground. There are plenty of more, some at the jail who do not deserve the rank of CPT, LH, being one of them. How she became a CPT again proves what this place is about. Even worse, the new person in charge over there is single handedly tearing apart the jail. If she maintains her current course heading, she will cause a riot. Inmates having more power than the deputies is a sad day of affairs. I feel sorry for the jail personnel. We haven't even discussed the civilian Chiefs, this is not Walmart.

[Unregistered]

We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.

I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.

Respectfully,

Charlie Albrecht


I believe this entire reply is plagiarized, just like your life. You mean to tell me that you walk around this agency as an advocate for change when everybody knows you will do anything to benefit in the advancement of your career. Everything is about you, there is no respect in your vocabulary and no one trusts you. I am truely baffled by your response but then again you can’t deviate from the Sherff’s side or you risk losing that position of power you love so much. If you want change, show a little respect to the personnel under your chain of command and stop dropping to your knees to the ones above.

[Unregistered]

At least he signs his name to it. Instead of backstabbing, why not go face to face? Cheap shots by people that won't stand up and put their names on it. No worries, you have it all figured out. Jealous, needy, money hungry, scared behind a curtain. nothing better to do with your time or than watch a blog with nothing positive to say. Karma.

[Unregistered]

At least he signs his name to it. Instead of backstabbing, why not go face to face? Cheap shots by people that won't stand up and put their names on it. No worries, you have it all figured out. Jealous, needy, money hungry, scared behind a curtain. nothing better to do with your time or than watch a blog with nothing positive to say. Karma.

Typical response from those who disagree with someone's opinions. They typically resort to namecalling. I find it interesting that nobody is coming to the defense of people being name dropped. Oh wait, I know why! Because the info being dropped is accurate and everyone knows it. Everyone is sick and tired of shit being swept under the rug and "certain" people being rewarded or facing no consquences for their actions. We are suppossed to preach, live, work, enforce fairness and equality in everything we do and yet we don't operate that way internally at SCSO.

I believe someone said before "**** up to move up". Everyone is over it and changes are needed, whatever that may be. Responding by name calling or ignoring the people isn't going to fix anything. Everyone needs a slice of humble pie....

[Unregistered]

You sure OCSO won’t hire us? Cause we be goin and they be takin! But We can survey it if you’d like.
Don’t quote Polk... he’d probably kick your ass just rolling over in his grave from this crap. He also wouldn’t let his deputies get pushed around by the public, yet here we are doing the customer service special.

The grass certainly is greener when I can pay to replace it. It certainly ain’t green here when I can’t even pay to water that shit.

I transferee from SCSO to OCSO in August 17. Heat decision. I've made more in the Time I've been here since the 8 years I did at SCSO.

[Unregistered]

What a ridiculous statement. There’s ONE lieutenant on that force who had a mother involved in the agency years ago. By FAR he’s one of the most well spoken, educated and fair you have. The others are pretty much useless. Not only is he an asset but he’s worked his rearend off to get where he’s got to. This whole statement is incredibly riddled with jealously and false facts. Here’s a thought- hop off the internet and do some work today.

[Unregistered]

This post has turned into a bashing match. Since when did airing out dirty laundry and bashing everyone around you get anything done? Jeeze. Relax.

[Unregistered]

Can someone post the 17 ID list here for God's sake, trying to decipher these initials after being gone a while is a pain..

[Unregistered]

While many excellent points have been made in this thread, I feel it has taken an unnecessary turn. Yes, pay is a huge issue. Morale is another. And the fact is there are many people in positions within this agency that should not be where they are for one reason or another, however they are there nonetheless. There are people at every agency and corporation who fall into this category.

Each and every one of us has a skeleton or two in our closet. What are we gaining by bashing one another? I can tell you that I think it is only creating paranoia within the agency at ever level. Everyone will now be afraid to speak to anyone out of fear it will end up on here where people are clearly exhibiting their own personal agendas. Or they are constantly checking this to make sure they are not somehow incorporated into this conversation.

The Man is now aware that there is a problem in his house. Let him have some time to see if he can fix it. It will not be a quick change that is for sure, but I do believe he has earned a chance for a little patience to be exhibited now that he has taken notice. I do not think he is afraid to do what needs to be done to get us back on track.

[Orange County Deputy]

I have worked for Orange County for over 10 years, and prior to that, another local Sheriffs Office. We went through the same growing pains you all are. But, I assure you, if you don’t think the “problems” you have, we don’t have, you’re only fooling yourself.

You want to come to Orange County, come on. There’s an average of 25 calls holding at any time, you probably won’t get a meal break, we’re severely understaffed, and the majority of areas you’ll be Patrolling, the residents would rather watch you fight with someone than shake your hand. Yes, we make decent money now and there’s unlimited off duty, but our health insurance is pathetic and you won’t get a take home car for at least a year. Oh, and you change your own flat tires, don’t get a spare car when your impala breaks down (new guys), and you have to go to the county pumps to fill up, not your Wawa or 7-11 with a gas card. You’ll wait a minimum of three years before getting off patrol, and I can assure you, you’ll never be asked for your opinion on reorganization or what gun you want to carry, all while being told what to do by a 3 year Deputy fresh out of college, so come on.


And you complain about a Sheriff and command staff that value your opinion, yet here at Orange County, not only does the command staff not value your opinion, they don’t even know your name. The Sheriff, who yes recently got us a decent raise (because he’s running for mayor and was trying to avoid something along these lines), told us for years to be patient, so we did, and got one. It took him 10 years to get us a raise. 10 years, and yet you’re complaining about a Sheriff of only months??

The people who are complaining about Lemma, who has been in office a very short time, aren’t even acknowledging that Eslinger didn’t fight for your raises either? How can you blame Sheriff Lemma for something that happened for years before him?

Nothing for nothing, but sounds like some jealous people of a good Sheriff, who worked his way up the chain...? You want to complain about him, but yet you could have done the same thing? But hey, come on over to Orange County, ocso.com , we’re hiring.

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I have worked for Orange County for over 10 years, and prior to that, another local Sheriffs Office. We went through the same growing pains you all are. But, I assure you, if you don’t think the “problems” you have, we don’t have, you’re only fooling yourself.

You want to come to Orange County, come on. There’s an average of 25 calls holding at any time, you probably won’t get a meal break, we’re severely understaffed, and the majority of areas you’ll be Patrolling, the residents would rather watch you fight with someone than shake your hand. Yes, we make decent money now and there’s unlimited off duty, but our health insurance is pathetic and you won’t get a take home car for at least a year. Oh, and you change your own flat tires, don’t get a spare car when your impala breaks down (new guys), and you have to go to the county pumps to fill up, not your Wawa or 7-11 with a gas card. You’ll wait a minimum of three years before getting off patrol, and I can assure you, you’ll never be asked for your opinion on reorganization or what gun you want to carry, all while being told what to do by a 3 year Deputy fresh out of college, so come on.


And you complain about a Sheriff and command staff that value your opinion, yet here at Orange County, not only does the command staff not value your opinion, they don’t even know your name. The Sheriff, who yes recently got us a decent raise (because he’s running for mayor and was trying to avoid something along these lines), told us for years to be patient, so we did, and got one. It took him 10 years to get us a raise. 10 years, and yet you’re complaining about a Sheriff of only months??

The people who are complaining about Lemma, who has been in office a very short time, aren’t even acknowledging that Eslinger didn’t fight for your raises either? How can you blame Sheriff Lemma for something that happened for years before him?

Nothing for nothing, but sounds like some jealous people of a good Sheriff, who worked his way up the chain...? You want to complain about him, but yet you could have done the same thing? But hey, come on over to Orange County, ocso.com , we’re hiring.

You sir are a seriously deranged individual, hypocritical at best. You trash your agency and praise ours, yet you tell us to come on over. If you paid attention to anything posted on this thread you would understand our frustration over Command feeding our Sheriff BS and nothing being done to address the issues plaguing this agency. But yet you reply on our forum attempting to address concerns involving personnel at this agency without being a part of it. A word of advice, stay the hell in your jurisdiction and don’t tell us that we are merely complaining about our organization. We, at the very least are beginning to voice our opinions and open everybody’s eyes to the real problems around here.

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Obviously the person calling out everyone's faults has been passed up for promotion or some position they wanted... I bet their uniform is a little "wrinkled " too.

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I think it is more than 1 person genius but nice try and being funny

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Whoever started this post, thank you. I have my suspicions, but no one knows for sure. This has been some of the best reading in a long time, please everyone keep it going

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I transferee from SCSO to OCSO in August 17. Heat decision. I've made more in the Time I've been here since the 8 years I did at SCSO.

CW. Take more time with your post. Many spelling errors...lol

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What exactly is your problem ? He told you exactly what to expect in orange and you talked down to him/her . Put your big boy pants on and put in a transfer request .



You sir are a seriously deranged individual, hypocritical at best. You trash your agency and praise ours, yet you tell us to come on over. If you paid attention to anything posted on this thread you would understand our frustration over Command feeding our Sheriff BS and nothing being done to address the issues plaguing this agency. But yet you reply on our forum attempting to address concerns involving personnel at this agency without being a part of it. A word of advice, stay the hell in your jurisdiction and don’t tell us that we are merely complaining about our organization. We, at the very least are beginning to voice our opinions and open everybody’s eyes to the real problems around here.

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This has more to do with than just pay. Our leadership is the worst yet. The same thing occurred with DE and all his issues in the past. A poor sad human being, who was a drunk, womanizer, and had low self esteem. He was an evil person when it came down to it. Now he passed everything on to DL. Someone we had high hopes for and someone who we thought would actually affect change. Our pay issue is not all his fault. That has been an issue that DE created and maintained over the years. Although he did keep from any positions being cut, he made sure to get a raise himself.

DL has his work cut out for him when it comes to the pay issue. I do not agree with him saying he will not go to the BCC to ask for more money and that he wants us, his employees, to figure out how to cut costs and improve the staffing issue. Right now, DL priority is to remain in office. That is his focus and he will not do anything to disrupt that. No rocking the boat, no going against the BCC. DL will do whatever it takes to secure his future. You can’t blame him for that, truth be told, any one of us would probably do the same. Power has a funny way of changing you.

Everyone is talking about pay and yes pay is a huge issue but so is our leadership. Yet, no one is stating the obvious. What has occurred in the past, what is occurring in the present and what is going to occur in the future. First, DL has not and will not surround himself with anyone who has more experience than him or anyone that will challenge him. He made sure of that with EA and SB. Honestly, good for him to get rid of SB. That guy was trouble as soon as he pinned on those stars. He became very arrogant, worse than he was, and entitled. I am glad to see SB gone and now trying to get hours at SSC to teach. EA, he would have been a good Chief but that’s it.

Look at our current leadership.

LT: Are you telling me that he is #2 and we have to rely on him to make decisions if the boss is gone. This guy rode the wings of everyone else during his career. Everyone knows he can’t make a decision and was horrible in DSD. Now he has stars on his collar and DL is relying on him as his #2??????

MC: Another one who you’re telling me we have to rely on. What experience does he bring to the table? He must have all the dirt, all the files passed down to him from ML. How this guy made it to his current position is beyond anyone. What stressful situation or decision has he made during his career. What leadership experience does he bring to the table to be in his current position??? None!!!

DP: Great at DIS but a Chief, we will soon know. DP is a very smart person, lacks in being a man, but I think we should give him a chance. At least he stood up for CR and overturned that stupid decision by SL.

KM: Has anyone seen her? Far from being any sort of leader, supervisor or LEO. She lacks any personality, the ability to speak with her people and even make an appearance. Did she ever deploy her K-9 when she had it?? Poor excuse for having any rank.

CL: She could be ok, if she just learned to be humble. She can be so arrogant that it really makes her sound stupid. Everyone knows that at the first sign of stress and a major incident she will be hiding somewhere and come out to flex her CPT bars when the smoke has cleared. Kind of like the FD in their big red truck.

SL: People in the jail can’t even believe he’s where he’s at. No one in this place can believe it. He’s as smart as his
laugh. He too is now turning out to be someone who stands behind the rank. Too afraid to confront anyone without it. Maybe we should have worked in the jail with DL also. We won’t even discuss him riding with CL on night shift. Yeah, that is one of those sensitive subjects that has been overlooked by administration. “It’s in the past people”, which translates to the statue of limitations has ran out on that issue.

KP: Never should have gone to the academy. Shouldn’t even be allowed to carry a gun or badge. Everyone knows his son borrowed his unmarked car and ran from LEO couple years back. This is one person who shouldn’t even be at the agency. If DL needs his “connections” that bad then we are truly in a world of hurt. Another DE created position that DL maintains.

MP: This guy created more issues when it came to promotions until he got where he is today. He is the one who made sure CS did not keep his stripes when he first got promoted. Honestly, CS you left and came back and then left and came back again and then left and came back one more time. However, MP made sure you didn’t keep those stripes long. Then MP gets promoted, promoted again and then demoted and then repromoted again and then yes wait for it, appointed to CPT. WOW that sums up this place right there. MP is a smart guy but he is like that dwarf off of Game of Thrones, very mischievous in getting his way.

RF: He has done a great job with his division. No one can take that from him. Does he deserve the rank of CPT, not yet but someday he might be deserving of it. He will make a good leader someday and truth be told, he is willing to help and do whatever anyone asks of him no matter of rank. Keep it up RF.

TF: We all know the relationship between him and SB over the years. Amazing how TF is assigned back to his current spot under SB. Hmmm, anyone else see that??? While on the topic of SB, yes we all know how you got there. Good job!!! Way to represent the female force.

JJ: Thank God you had sense enough to demote her. The time she had in CCIB and with the former CPT of CCIB and the mutiny she was creating in CPS. Her time has come and what goes around comes around for her. Everyone knows who she was in CCIB and who she did.

Yes these are our “leaders” who will take us into the future, oh wait, drive us into the ground. There are plenty of more, some at the jail who do not deserve the rank of CPT, LH, being one of them. How she became a CPT again proves what this place is about. Even worse, the new person in charge over there is single handedly tearing apart the jail. If she maintains her current course heading, she will cause a riot. Inmates having more power than the deputies is a sad day of affairs. I feel sorry for the jail personnel. We haven't even discussed the civilian Chiefs, this is not Walmart.

Amen.... So many true facts. I pray DL reads this post if he picks only one...

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MH, WS, CM, PP, AY, PB... they need to be in the Top 15. Problem is ... do they even really want the headache?
Speaking of the current Top 15... TF is the ONLY one we’ve seen, heard and probably really respect on the road. I like that guy.

I agree. TF is a cops cop. He should be at the top.

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DL I hope you realize that a large portion of us are very unhappy with your leadership. I hope you don’t trust lying, lazy, lousy LT. He has lied about so many people and I can’t wait for karma to get him. It will.

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What exactly is your problem ? He told you exactly what to expect in orange and you talked down to him/her . Put your big boy pants on and put in a transfer request .
I agree this isn’t our forum. The moment we posted here, it became a public forum. I don’t think you should down an fellow LEO out of OCSO. Everyone has problems. All agencies suffer. He hopefully will gain the benefit of Mina soon. Let’s not down our working class brothers from other mothers. I applaud him. Even with their problems he is still come on down.

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I agree. TF is a cops cop. He should be at the top.

That’s questionable these days, sadly.

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DL I hope you realize that a large portion of us are very unhappy with your leadership. I hope you don’t trust lying, lazy, lousy LT. He has lied about so many people and I can’t wait for karma to get him. It will.

Sheriff, I hope you realize that a MUCH larger portion of us are very happy with your leadership and appreciate the proactive and principled approach you have taken to leading this agency. I hope you don't trust the 5 people (max) who are on here echoing each other and talking horribly about their brothers and sisters of the thin blue line, trying to make it seem like it is a "plague" of problems.

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DL I hope you realize that a large portion of us are very unhappy with your leadership. I hope you don’t trust lying, lazy, lousy LT. He has lied about so many people and I can’t wait for karma to get him. It will.

How about don’t trust most of your command structure. They will lie to you and tell you what you want to hear. Their next bump up relies on your happiness. CA is proof. He can put his name here because he’s cheer the DL on. But, it’s self serving.

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Sheriff, I hope you realize that a MUCH larger portion of us are very happy with your leadership and appreciate the proactive and principled approach you have taken to leading this agency. I hope you don't trust the 5 people (max) who are on here echoing each other and talking horribly about their brothers and sisters of the thin blue line, trying to make it seem like it is a "plague" of problems.

Far more than 5. It spreads across the agency. It falls upon while shifts. You are slowly going into the minority. Don’t try and fluff. That was the problem with the previous administration after the first couple cycles. People are scared to call a duck a duck. If it walks like one and quacks like one then it is a duck. Think about it. The meeting the other day wouldn’t have gone so had it been the majority. Nor would the continuous chatter throughout the halls continue.

Sheriff don’t listen to the self serving listen to those who truly serve. We serve the public and do so with pride. But, when moral crashes so does lots of things. Maybe people are jealous of being passed over, of course they are. Sub par selection can not really make jealousy but, contempt and it ultimately cheats the citizens when you choose weak and inexperienced personal for important positions.

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I'm sure DL is reading all the posts, and probably has the IT investigators busy trying to find out who is behind each post instead of taking time to reflect on himself and the decisions he has made. DL this is NOT the time to punish those who have spoken out here.If the fear of retaliation, bullying, and double secret probation were not iminently present for those who do, you would know the problems that have been laid out here. It is time to be a LEADER i.e. making tough decisions, especially about those at the higher escelon. Maybe look at history of 2 great leaders Marcus Aurelius when he ruled Rome would have a servant whisper " you are just a man , only a man" in his ear as citizens would bow to him to stay humble. Abraham Lincoln hired 3 people who ran against him in his campaign for president and made them part of his cabinet, they weren't admonished for having different perspectives or ideas from his own, I do not see that happening with any of the top at SCSO. Everyone is out for their own good intentions and do not care about the peasant masses ( slick sleeves). I will not bash any command staff on here as it has been done enough. Do I feel there are some at the command level who are competent and care about their people, yes, but unfortunately they are outcast by the inner circle for not complying with the rhetoric that everything is just peachy. To be honest it is now and "us" vs " them" mentality between the command staff and non command staff. IF you WANT or CARE about the people at YOUR agency it is up to YOU to fix these issues, how about asking the people on patrol how they have been treated by supervisors, what issues they have, etc..and no, not the political " hey how is everything" meeting actually listen and care and do not retaliate for honest answers. They say the truth hurts sometimes and it does, but it how YOU, Sheriff Dennis Lemma, handle it. It is time for change.

Another issue of contention is having civilians commanding sworn deputies, it is a slap in the face for those of us who have been through the academy and been subjected to the horrors and stress of working as a law enforcement officer to be commanded by someone who has no idea what it is like. Would you want someone who has not been to medical school overseeing a heart surgeon who is operating on you or a loved one? I think not.

There was once a time where we knew as law enforcement officers we were grossly underpaid, but the job wasnt bad, we got time off, and actually TRUSTED and liked our co-workers and most of the command staff. The pay will always be an issue anywhere, how bout make the work environment better, if you read most of this thread it is about that issue. People don't quit jobs they quit bosses. Dennis, there is a very, very, simple solution here, stop ALLOWING supervisors to run rampant, bully, and use their rank to make those under them miserable AND PUNISH those who do. It's really that simple. Take care of your people and they will take care of you. I wish you luck.

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Far more than 5. It spreads across the agency. It falls upon while shifts. You are slowly going into the minority. Don’t try and fluff. That was the problem with the previous administration after the first couple cycles. People are scared to call a duck a duck. If it walks like one and quacks like one then it is a duck. Think about it. The meeting the other day wouldn’t have gone so had it been the majority. Nor would the continuous chatter throughout the halls continue.

Sheriff don’t listen to the self serving listen to those who truly serve. We serve the public and do so with pride. But, when moral crashes so does lots of things. Maybe people are jealous of being passed over, of course they are. Sub par selection can not really make jealousy but, contempt and it ultimately cheats the citizens when you choose weak and inexperienced personal for important positions.

The poster you are replying to is actually right, there are only a few of us malcontents. Probably less than 5 actually, and I am sorry. I'm sorry I am so spineless I can't confront the Sheriff myself in person, I'm sorry my life hasn't turned out the way I had hoped it would, I'm sorry I have no friends, I'm sorry I am a poor excuse of a law enforcement officer, but, most of all, I am sorry I have not done more in my career to be recognized as a leader (in either rank or social status), so my only option is to come on here and write about people without showing half the sac CA has shown.

Off topic though, what hallways are you talking about? Because as hard as I was trying to stir crap today with my insubordination, all I heard was support for the Sheriff. I was actually ashamed I opened my ignorant mouth.

Sincerely,
The Original Poster.

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We have all fought through adversity at one time or another in our life or careers. I have learned that to be a change agent in our organization, you must first build stock within our organization by doing what is asked of you, always giving your best effort and remain positive, even when it is hard. Whether you are in the chain of command or an unofficial leader, an effective and influential change agent must lead by example, have strong relationships built on trust, and ultimately, gain the respect of our organizational family. We have to work together to solve our problems.

I respect everyone’s opinion, everyone has a voice, and we all need to voice our concerns in the appropriate forum. Please work with your leadership in a positive productive manner in lieu of a destructive disrespectful manner. I welcome everyone with concerns to come and meet, or you could visit your chain of command to discuss these issues and get your ideas to make improvements in our agency. The collective intelligence of our family can make a plan to effect positive change.

Respectfully,

Charlie Albrecht


You of all people need to practice what you preach about visiting the chain of command.... just saying

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Far more than 5. It spreads across the agency. It falls upon while shifts. You are slowly going into the minority. Don’t try and fluff. That was the problem with the previous administration after the first couple cycles. People are scared to call a duck a duck. If it walks like one and quacks like one then it is a duck. Think about it. The meeting the other day wouldn’t have gone so had it been the majority. Nor would the continuous chatter throughout the halls continue.

Sheriff don’t listen to the self serving listen to those who truly serve. We serve the public and do so with pride. But, when moral crashes so does lots of things. Maybe people are jealous of being passed over, of course they are. Sub par selection can not really make jealousy but, contempt and it ultimately cheats the citizens when you choose weak and inexperienced personal for important positions.

Nah, it really is just a couple of us being jerks. Sorry.

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I have worked for Orange County for over 10 years, and prior to that, another local Sheriffs Office. We went through the same growing pains you all are. But, I assure you, if you don’t think the “problems” you have, we don’t have, you’re only fooling yourself.

You want to come to Orange County, come on. There’s an average of 25 calls holding at any time, you probably won’t get a meal break, we’re severely understaffed, and the majority of areas you’ll be Patrolling, the residents would rather watch you fight with someone than shake your hand. Yes, we make decent money now and there’s unlimited off duty, but our health insurance is pathetic and you won’t get a take home car for at least a year. Oh, and you change your own flat tires, don’t get a spare car when your impala breaks down (new guys), and you have to go to the county pumps to fill up, not your Wawa or 7-11 with a gas card. You’ll wait a minimum of three years before getting off patrol, and I can assure you, you’ll never be asked for your opinion on reorganization or what gun you want to carry, all while being told what to do by a 3 year Deputy fresh out of college, so come on.


And you complain about a Sheriff and command staff that value your opinion, yet here at Orange County, not only does the command staff not value your opinion, they don’t even know your name. The Sheriff, who yes recently got us a decent raise (because he’s running for mayor and was trying to avoid something along these lines), told us for years to be patient, so we did, and got one. It took him 10 years to get us a raise. 10 years, and yet you’re complaining about a Sheriff of only months??

The people who are complaining about Lemma, who has been in office a very short time, aren’t even acknowledging that Eslinger didn’t fight for your raises either? How can you blame Sheriff Lemma for something that happened for years before him?

Nothing for nothing, but sounds like some jealous people of a good Sheriff, who worked his way up the chain...? You want to complain about him, but yet you could have done the same thing? But hey, come on over to Orange County, ocso.com , we’re hiring.

Come on over, you guys have no clue why we get paid the money we do. We do five to ten times the work you guys do with citizens that hate us. You won’t make it here with your 5 arrest a year. In FTO I made over 50 arrest, most of you that is what you do in your career.

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CW. Take more time with your post. Many spelling errors...lol

CW was a good employee that did his time and deserved a chance on the road. I hope everything is working out for you CW.

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Just remember that DL did get rid of MN, 🙏.

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Come on over, you guys have no clue why we get paid the money we do. We do five to ten times the work you guys do with citizens that hate us. You won’t make it here with your 5 arrest a year. In FTO I made over 50 arrest, most of you that is what you do in your career.

There is that stereotypical OCSO I'm better than you attitude. Assuming most of these 50 arrests in FTO were dispatched calls. How much harder do you think it is to apply that statues in orange compared to other counties? Last I checked we all enforce the same laws, so to imply nobody could make it there soley because you may handle more calls is absurd. Please do tell the difference between making an arrest county to county.

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There is that stereotypical OCSO I'm better than you attitude. Assuming most of these 50 arrests in FTO were dispatched calls. How much harder do you think it is to apply that statues in orange compared to other counties? Last I checked we all enforce the same laws, so to imply nobody could make it there soley because you may handle more calls is absurd. Please do tell the difference between making an arrest county to county.

I think the poster was saying we are slugs. I can see why he says that look at what we are saying about each other.

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Anyone ever heard the term “don’t air out your dirty laundry in public” we are starting to look like idiots to the 33,000 people who have read this. Point is across boss’s I’m sure have read it let’s not take it to other county’s now.

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Anyone ever heard the term “don’t air out your dirty laundry in public” we are starting to look like idiots to the 33,000 people who have read this. Point is across boss’s I’m sure have read it let’s not take it to other county’s now.

I could not agree more. We are starting to look asses to the public and other law enforcement agencies. It is embarrassing getting phone calls from other officers and deputies throughout Central Florida asking what is happening here. We all know cops are the biggest gossipers. We are doing nothing but becoming water cooler talk everywhere. And what is this accomplishing at this point? Nothing, except making people believe we work for a broken agency and that we are only making matters worse. This needs to be handled internally and more discreetly. Our public meltdown has not gone unnoticed. Mission accomplished everyone.

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I could not agree more. We are starting to look asses to the public and other law enforcement agencies. It is embarrassing getting phone calls from other officers and deputies throughout Central Florida asking what is happening here. We all know cops are the biggest gossipers. We are doing nothing but becoming water cooler talk everywhere. And what is this accomplishing at this point? Nothing, except making people believe we work for a broken agency and that we are only making matters worse. This needs to be handled internally and more discreetly. Our public meltdown has not gone unnoticed. Mission accomplished everyone.

Seems to me we’ve reached a breaking point that has gone to the only outlet we have. I think that reality speaks for itself.

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I could not agree more. We are starting to look asses to the public and other law enforcement agencies. It is embarrassing getting phone calls from other officers and deputies throughout Central Florida asking what is happening here. We all know cops are the biggest gossipers. We are doing nothing but becoming water cooler talk everywhere. And what is this accomplishing at this point? Nothing, except making people believe we work for a broken agency and that we are only making matters worse. This needs to be handled internally and more discreetly. Our public meltdown has not gone unnoticed. Mission accomplished everyone.

Yeah because handling it internally and discretely has been working well..you do work for a broken agency and it's getting worse..open your eyes

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Yeah it looks like handling it in house and "discreetly" has worked wonders..wake up it is broken

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Yeah it looks like handling it in house and "discreetly" has worked wonders..wake up it is broken

No wonder you were never given significant responsibility, you spend all your time blogging.

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Therapy Dogs, Yards of the month, Snow Cone trailers, 12 days of Christmas videos, men getting their nails painted...?

I had to double check to make sure I was looking at a Law Enforcement agencies page.

This is the stuff we proudly display on social media. Imagine what you’re not seeing. I would say it’s unbelievable, but it’s really not at this point. I can’t wait to see what’s next.

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No wonder you were never given significant responsibility, you spend all your time blogging.

Never blogged anything

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CW. Take more time with your post. Many spelling errors...lol

Yea new phone trying to work it out. LOL

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This is a view point from the jail side. DL who tried to say every day how much he "cared" about us and how he was "one of us" is bull. I've seen alot since LB came in and she has turned one of the greatest places to work into a living nightmare. I remember a day when people enjoyed going into there and now u have people calling out daily. WE do not run that jail, the INMATES run that jail. and the inmates get treated better than the CO's. It's all DL fault because he decided to bring LB, a CIVILIAN with no personal CO experience. And for OCSO, graunteed I haven't been here long, but they treat everyone as a DEPUTY and I tell people daily, I'll never go back. This is coming from someone who grew up in Seminole County and has been around this agency so long. It's sad because SCSO was a great place to work. All in all, us tenure deputies aren't worth a shit, and DL just wants new blood to re shape what DE took years to perfect.

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What a ridiculous statement. There’s ONE lieutenant on that force who had a mother involved in the agency years ago. By FAR he’s one of the most well spoken, educated and fair you have. The others are pretty much useless. Not only is he an asset but he’s worked his rearend off to get where he’s got to. This whole statement is incredibly riddled with jealously and false facts. Here’s a thought- hop off the internet and do some work today.

I was going to stay out of this, but the lieutenant in question is a hard worker and a humble guy. The poster who criticized him is wrong.

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I agree with this, the command staff has gone downhill since DE and it is only the beginning. Pay and morale are at an all time low. The way command staff handles employee punishment is also wrong. Good people being fired/ demoted for things that hardly merit the punishment(MD, BL), while others borderline break the law and give the agency a bad image, yet have little consequences for their actions. Sad day.

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I agree with this, the command staff has gone downhill since DE and it is only the beginning. Pay and morale are at an all time low. The way command staff handles employee punishment is also wrong. Good people being fired/ demoted for things that hardly merit the punishment(MD, BL), while others borderline break the law and give the agency a bad image, yet have little consequences for their actions. Sad day.

I'm not sure how anyone can take this comment seriously, considering that you are absolutely wrong regarding pay being "at an all time low". Morale is subjective, but it can't be disputed that employees are paid more now than ever.

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Come on over, you guys have no clue why we get paid the money we do. We do five to ten times the work you guys do with citizens that hate us. You won’t make it here with your 5 arrest a year. In FTO I made over 50 arrest, most of you that is what you do in your career.

As someone who has worked at both agencies I can tell you that though this poster comes off as arrogant it is not far from the truth. If you work at SCSO and are a proactive deputy who likes to work and be a cops cop, not get treated as a “community servant” and have to kiss every career criminals ass, then come over! We want you! And you will move up and accross if you are a hard worker! It’s not about who you know and who you b*** here it’s about being a real cop. Not a glorified FSO. That being said I know there are some good cops at SCSO who would do amazing over here and will only get shit on by SCSO. Being a hard working cop at SCSO only gets you in trouble with the current admin. On the other hand, if your a lazy slug and want to do your APs and go home and get your 40k a year then stay at SCSO and stop complaining. You take maybe 1 report every 2 shifts with 0 arrests while you watch YouTube on your agency issued computer. You know who you are. If that’s the case then stay at SCSO and enjoy it. Your not gonna find another agency that lets you do that for 18 bucks an hour.

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coming from someone who talked down to his people, then got kicked out of dis and then brought back in. Only to have that one person stand up to him and make him cry, yes tears. Nice try charlie.

agreed agreed

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I transferee from SCSO to OCSO in August 17. Heat decision. I've made more in the Time I've been here since the 8 years I did at SCSO.

You also can’t spell!

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I was going to stay out of this, but the lieutenant in question is a hard worker and a humble guy. The poster who criticized him is wrong.

His mother didnt get him where he is, that I agree. He is a nice guy, but he has no business being a Supervisor of
Any sort.. He would make a great civilian employee.

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You also can’t spell!

Yea new phone who cares

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If you’re so unsatisfied, GTFO. You all sound like a bunch of A-type, gun-toting, pussies! Omg, either be the solution or go! If anyone thinks the sheriff doesn’t have an open door policy, then you don’t really know how he operates. The way you’re choosing to vent your frustrations is disgusting. Clearly not leadership material. I pray to God none of you have the responsibility for raising a child. RM (throw those initials under the bus along with everyone else)...you all suck...

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Get ready here it comes. That’s all I am saying.

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He was brought back as a higher rank. He couldn't have been that bad. All believers of rumors, why don't you ask CA, DP, MC, what happened? Or Chief Harriett for that matter?

"If you didn’t see it with your own eyes or hear it from the person with your own ears, Don’t invent it with your small mind, and share it with your big mouth “

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As far as open door policy, I'd like to respectfully disagree. I tried to see him for months and I was told that he's always busy. With that been said, I still respect him and believe he can improve this agency. I think he should be more down to earth and definitely way more approachable. I think that is his main skill he needs to work on. Just be more approachable and down to earth.

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Man has this place changed over the past few years. Now I would say that DL did not dig us in this hole with pay in just the year he has been at the top. This has been building up for years.Also Letting us being able to choose a new weapon was a nice move and I appreciate that. But with that being said he has done absolutely nothing to improve the morale or pay scale. He look to us for ways to save money but then brings back the undersheriff position and assign what essentially is three captains to a member engagement committee. By the way anyone sign up for that softball team this summer? I got dibs on team captain! The other captain would be the original poster! Can anyone please tell me the real point of this unit please? Most of our newly hired employees are millennials. Millennials won't stick around after a few years of not being paid. It was easy to get away with saying how great Seminole County was and not losing people for years but not in today’s time.

My advised to everyone is to just start putting in your application in other places before the mass exit at the end of the year when DL reminds us on how he had to “fight” for our 3 percent raise. It’s ridiculous a topped out Deputy/Officer at OCSO and OPD makes more than a topped out Sgt./almost Lieutenant here. If this new compensation committee works and we get something reasonable I would have to tip my hat off to him for getting it done within his first two years. But how he acted towards salary and raises his first 6 months leave me very worried about getting this done. This place was once truly special to work . Just a few years ago everyone was talking about how horrible it was at Orange County, but after their big raises we hear nothing but good things. This does have a correlation with happiness while working in today’s time.

Our budget at SCSO isn’t anywhere close to that of OCSO and OPD. Anyone think about that??

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Lindsey and Ramirez! No matter what! True cops
Made the ultimate sacrifice and they deserve a day of silence!

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DL truth is the photos you look like a pro, LT not so much. He’s lazy and a man who undermines you. Get rid of him in your new re org. Just sayin. He’s not your friend. The deps at 100 aren’t your friends. Look to counsel from those on the road. The ones who will be honest. I think you got this Sheriff, rid yourself of the baggage and civilian command and the road will have you always. That FB post with that dep she ain’t no good for your image sir. Fix the problem of the road NRU wast a time. Motors is before dem uni’s at the “NRD” squad.

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If morale is a major concern, spreading negativity without offering solutions and making personal insults really doesn't help. Let's focus on some positive. For example: wages are higher now than they were 20 years ago! Wohoo, progress!

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Speaking of morale, it’s about time DL addresses some real nasty people in this agency and get them under control. How about a manager at the jail SH. Complaint after complaint and NOTHING gets done about her. Enough is enough.

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Speaking of morale, it’s about time DL addresses some real nasty people in this agency and get them under control. How about a manager at the jail SH. Complaint after complaint and NOTHING gets done about her. Enough is enough.

I’m calling bullshit on this one.

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Speaking of morale, it’s about time DL addresses some real nasty people in this agency and get them under control. How about a manager at the jail SH. Complaint after complaint and NOTHING gets done about her. Enough is enough.

I’m guessing she was the bearer of bad news for a job you couldn’t complete or failed at.... I smell ishhhhhh

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Hey guys and gals, we all have an axe to grind with someone somewhere. But, it a low point of discussion. How about, let’s take this chance to discuss postivity about what we can do to fix the problems.

We are allowed to submit proposals but from what I see many are not implemented. The ones that are are trivial. So let’s take a closer look at previous proposals. Let’s speak freely, but positively. Negative statements make negative response.

I personally don’t want to hurt anyone’s egos. We are all people And we all have wants and needs. But we can’t always get what we want. I agree if this isn’t the place for you then go. If taking working out or will work out then stay. We all suffered the hard and good times and lately a lot more hard than good and not all this admins fault past carries some blame and the public and social media and media play even a bigger part.

I myself am considering leaving not for most of the listed reasons. Mainly because I want to grow and this just doesn’t seem the place for a great deal of good people to grow. Not admins fault again. In the long end of it we are a small agency with very little movement.

I will give this SCSO has the nicest equipment and up to date programs and a stellar CAD and cafe system. I will miss those. But, money is a huge thing even bigger the ability to progress. So try and fix what we can work with the Sheriff, not against him. He does love this agency. A union is not the answer . All that nice stuff we have would go, we would have to work for it after that.

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I’m calling bullshit on this one.

Break out the surveys.

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Let be less demeaning here. Give DL a chance. However, the 17 year plan I am trying to figure out how that’s a good idea. Can someone break down that to stupid language so I can understand we have to wait 17 years for a step plan. I am not an accountant so I am struggling with this one.

But we do have great stuff. Pay was a little better and more growth would be premium!

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DL...believe in karma?

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DL...believe in karma?

What Karma? He’s probably got the cleanest closet for an admin I have ever known. Other staff I can’t preach the same. But, a lot of his structure was partly previous admin. I personally think he inherited an bad hand and is struggling to fix it within the confines of what he’s allowed. Remember he’s still backed by a party and their special interests and they back DE. So if he wants to get re-elected he really has to tow the line. That’s not entirely his fault.

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Things are finally coming to light, as it should have when DE was there. That agency has been through the ringer, unprofessional, deceptive, and if you are not liked boy oh boy. Your job is gone in a blink of the eye. It is time to clean house and get DL from behind the scenes and put some one who is loyal, professional, and trustworthy.

It has been a hand washing system for years and seems to continue. You are guilty until proven innocent. This also goes with the bias court system. If you are liked you get special treatment if not oh well not my problem. We need to clean house from the top to the bottom.

Promotion on fairness....no promotion to my bestie! Just sad! The agency has lost a lot of good people but they don’t care they just worry about themselves and status!

Upcoming election....folks need to vote and get the bad ass folks out!

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Wish MC prof Stand was fair, but his day is coming.

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.Now we are threatening command staff? Come on man. Enough is enough. First off, MC is super down to earth, leads by example and made more arrests in his career then probably anyone on here reading this. I personally worked for MC and he was the most fair, caring, reasonable and just plain normal supervisors a person could ask for. Actually I have worked at a few different agencies and all of the supervisors I have had here BLOW away the previous agencies. I think most of the gripes are coming from people who have not worked for these "wonderful better paying cities". Trust me, there is a huge difference in the way you are treated here compared to how you are treated at our surrounding cities. Plain and simply put. The sheriff is a great guy who has worked his way up from the bottom. I had the opportunity to work the road with him as a slick sleeve deputy and he was stellar. I don't understand why everyone thinks every problem the agency has should be 100% corrected within one year. He is very intelligent and knows what areas the agency lacks in. Give him time to correct it. Honestly even if the original post did make some points, the majority of the comments are down right embarrassing. Posting this stuff on a national forum is lunacy. There's no place on earth where every cop loves every single person in the command staff. I have an idea, don't bother them. Don't try to be known by kissing butt and interacting with them all the time. Or don't do dumb crap that gets you in trouble and on the radar. I have worked here multiple multiple years and have barely spoken to most of them. Not because I don't like them or they don't like me, it just doesn't need to happen during my work day. Just so everyone around the world reading this knows, SCSO is actually a great place to work. Sheriff "DL" is an intelligent, well spoken, genuine, cops cop sheriff that truly cares about the agency and the men and women that work here.

Sincerely,
- A guy that's not trying to get promoted / a guy that needs more money / a guy that has made more arrests and been part of more aggressive / proactive units then most OCSO guys with the same amount of time on. (No offense! I love my OCSO brothers and sisters)

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After reading the forum and going to meetings and listening to deputies we need to find someone in command staff who can bridge the gap between the top to the bottom. We have lost and are loosing good people dut to less than loyal command staff. DL has stated that he has been told moral is great. He has forgotten where he came from. DE had SH and between the two they never lost track of how people were taken care of. Loyalty, fellowship, taking care of the people and the citizens were a focus. Remember we didn't get into this for the money. We came to the SCSO because it was a premiere agency. DL really need to find someone to put in command that can be the SH. Someone that has the respect of all that can relay that message to the top and back again. Someone that can make a decision that tells it like it is. It's time to get someone that can do the job. Not someone that brags about their list ion but someone humble enough to realize that command is an extension of all. There are good people thatcandothis within the agency and if needed go outside. DE did this with SH from Sanford and Kennedy from Opd. Both were great and supported the Sheriff. Look at B. Lee, B. Oconner, E. Allen, S. Balough, J. Duncan. All were at the SO when it was at its best and all are experienced command and had and currently have respect in their current jobs. When DL talks about a reorg then look at everyone everywhere. It will not make everyone happy but it's a start in the right direction. DL do not forget to listen to us. We do not need a go between to relay our message as it can be twisted.

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Gotta love freedom of speech!!! Too bad retaliation prevails when it comes down to it. Whoever the author may be is not a coward, just being smart about his opinion. The truth can hurt sometimes and like DL advised in meetings, sometimes everyone needs to here the truth. If you are posting a negative response against the author, then you are probably a millennial who acutally doesn’t know any better or someone of rank who is too busy kissing up to DL, or someone who is trying to make rank and still has hope that they will actually get promoted. Wake up people, the boss wants to do away with rank!!! Haven’t you heard his speeches. Plus they use the promotional list to their advantage. It’s been proven time and time again, just look at who’s been promoted.
Anyone with any time at this place knows that the former boss was a sad human being. He was a drunk, a womanizer, had low self-esteem, (hence his shoe inserts to make him taller and the motivational CD’s he listened to daily). He may have improved the agency to what it is today; however, he was no angel and everyone knows that.
As for the current boss, well let’s look at his mentor. That should pretty much sum it all up. Someone at CJC knows the truth about a certain female claiming to be in a certain relationship with a certain someone. Hmmm, maybe everyone should keep their eyes open on this. The number one priority for DL is securing his future, that’s it!!! He is not going to rock the boat, make enemies or do anything that will lose the popular votes he needs to be re-elected. All these speeches and committees is a smoke screen, pulling the wool over our eyes just so he can buy time, change the perception, and secure the support of those who believe everything he says.
He has surrounded himself by members of this agency with less experience then himself. What does that say about his leadership and the future of our agency? Are you telling me that if something happens to him or if he is somewhere far away “We” have to rely on LT or MC??? That in itself should tell you the future of our agency. DL is not going to surround himself by anyone with more time on the job then him, anyone who will question his decisions, anyone with actual experience and qualifications to run an agency. We all had high hopes for DL and so far it’s not looking good for him.
Look at the past and present leadership!!! LT as the #2 in charge, really!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone and everyone with time on the job knows he’s been riding everyone’s wings, coat tails, etc. and now he was chosen to be #2. Again, DL will not bring anyone in with more experience. Hence the reason he got rid of EA and SB. Mistake getting rid of EA but good idea getting rid of SB. SB pinned on those stars and thought he was a GOD. He was getting ****y and became a man who stood behind the rank on his collar. Now he’s a pathetic person teaching at SSC. He is one man that never has or ever will scare me. #Ballou2020 are you kidding me!!! Smart move getting rid of him. Don’t think EA wasn’t asked to leave either.
MC, Chief of Staff, OMG really??? This guy must have all the secrets from ML. What has MC ever done at this place? ANSWER: NOTHING!!! Nice guy and I actually like you MC but you are no Chief of Staff. You’re equivalent to maybe a Lieutenant. Advice, keep getting DL coffee and papers. Keep your mouth shut and maybe that will gain some respect from the majority but doubt it.
The Civilian Chiefs, really?????? This isn’t Walmart and this alone should tell you where we are heading as an agency. If DL wants to get rid of rank then start with them. Everyone thinks this is only about pay. Re-read some of these posts and the focus seems to be pay. DL is not responsible for where we are today. He is responsible for the past couple years and you can bet he has influence on the decisions before DE left. Let’s look at some clear examples of why people think this place is unfair, other than the obvious pay issue.
The Captains:
MC over CPS, really??? OMG, I should have ran a computer during the campaign. What a joke this guy is and what has he done here, financial crimes!!! Easy, slow down with that but guess it paid off, oh no wait you were heavily into the campaign. Don’t blame it on the former boss either, we all know DL had input with promotions prior to taking over.
CL and SL, another OMG really??? CL is so condescending that she just sounds stupid. She is one female who would break at the first moment of stress. We have all seen it and just because you pin on some CPT bars does not make you a leader or in her case a COP.
SL, he’s about as smart as grass. He sounds about as smart as his laugh. Everyone has known that for years and still sees what an idiot he is. Guess we should have worked with you DL in the jail to make rank. Reminder: Work on making my laugh sound more stupid. We won’t even touch the issue of those two riding with each other during their time in SNP. It’s the norm here and I am just waiting for the female to come forward. That may change everything.
KB, this idiot should have never gone to the academy. If you need the black vote that bad or his connections, then please do us all a favor and leave office. Everyone knows this guy shouldn’t even wear a uniform.
KM, someone please find her!!!! She is never around or provides any leadership. Sorry excuse for an LEO period. Does she even speak?? She needs to be part of this enrichment team or whatever you call it. We all know that was created because these are Captains with one foot out the door. Once they are gone so will this magical team.
JJ, OMG thank you for demoting her. Finally the leadership, whoever it was, got something right!!! Her time spreading those legs for all of CCIB and the former CPT has come full circle. Do us another favor and fire her. Sorry excuse for a female LEO.
MP, this guy was the biggest pot stirrer in the agency. He whined when CS left and came back, then left and came back again and then left again and yes came back and then got promoted. MP made sure that his stripes didn’t stay on long. Then MP gets promoted and promoted again and then demoted but re-promoted and then yes wait for it, appointed to CPT. WOW!!!!
RF, this guy is smart to remain quiet. He is no idiot and yes he has done a remarkable job with the new division. Does he deserve the rank of CPT, no, he has not done his time and honestly FWC does not count. However, RF is not arrogant and is one person who is willing do anything you ask of him.
TF, we all know the connection there with SB. Those two were obvious back in the day and look where it got him, back in Juvenile as a CPT. Way to go bro!! Again, our previous boss and ways has surely trickled down.
There are more captains at the jail but honestly you have really let that place go down hill. I feel sorry for our brothers and sisters over there. If their leader allows for the inmates to have more power, more say so, complain, etc. over your deputies, well you are in for a future riot where the blood will be on your hands DL. Wake up and get rid of her. Thank God the CPT who just resigned got caught being naughty. Way to go on that promotion btw! Another example of what lies ahead in the future. New guys just make it over 5 years and you will get promoted to CPT.



Isn’t this the truth!

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Honestly I think this blog/post has out lived itself. An it’s not serving a useful end. So to that, i think let it be. Unless there’s more constructive things, let it be.

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.


I did leave, and it was the best decision of my life. I know work for another SO in Central Florida and it's a lot better than Seminole. I find it amusing now when I hear other agencies talking about Seminole and what a hole it has become.

If you are thinking about leaving, LEAVE! You will not regret it one bit. Every agency has it's problems, but nothing like Seminole. Seminole is one of the richest counties per capita, but you can't tell that by the way Deputies are treated.

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Broward County just did a no confidence vote on their Sheriff. Maybe it's time we take our own vote and make sure the citizens of Seminole County know what things are really like in our agency.

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I did leave, and it was the best decision of my life. I know work for another SO in Central Florida and it's a lot better than Seminole. I find it amusing now when I hear other agencies talking about Seminole and what a hole it has become.

If you are thinking about leaving, LEAVE! You will not regret it one bit. Every agency has it's problems, but nothing like Seminole. Seminole is one of the richest counties per capita, but you can't tell that by the way Deputies are treated.

I feel the same way. Ever since I left Seminole to also go to a Central florida agency, I ask myself why I didnt do it years ago when I wanted to leave. I always thought SCSO was the best, but the last 2yrs I realized it wasn't. DL has changed it to one of the worst.

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I encourage all in a leadership position or aspiring leaders to read the book "Extreme Ownership " by Jocko Willink & Leaf Babin.

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As the late John E. Polk said “if you are not happy, leave! There is the door, don’t let it hit you on the way out! Quit your complaining and go work for OCSO (dream on, they wont hire you), but please remembet the “grass isn’t always greener”! Personally I believe you all are nothing more than a bunch of whiney babies that couldn’t get a job with Eatonville PD if you wanted.

Sure that will fix the problem SMH .......... Then they will ask, why do you think we have such a high turn around, what do you think we can do?

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you guys need a union. I went to school with DL. Asshole then and from the comments still is.

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You guys understand, these are the exact things that could be discussed at Union meetings right?

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So instead of doing tenured deputies right , the Sheriff is making us retire by putting us under fire. Taking away certain divisions that are needed. This is all about the money game. We deserve more than this crap. The Sheriff doesn't have to worry about money . He and his Lt wife make a bundle. Tenured Deputies have done the work with promises of compensation. However, the new hires got a pay raise first. Then we were promised to be second. Again, not true. We are being pushed out so he doesn't have to pay our worth. Also I think our county commissioners need to be looked at closer. They are lining their pockets while we barely pay our Bill's. Most of us can't afford to live in our own county! wtf

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You guys understand, these are the exact things that could be discussed at Union meetings right?

I don't want to hear about UNIONS. I tried for years to bring it here only to be rebuked by most of you because you kissed the Sheriff's ass as you got away with murder (you know who you are now that you're in your cushy weekends off position). Now you want to be represented by the Union? WTF? Thank God I'm almost out and won't have to listen to all of you whine about being mistreated or pay or whatever's up your a**. If we do get union representation, try not to make them puke with your childish demeanor.

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You guys understand, these are the exact things that could be discussed at Union meetings right?

I don't know if you're all aware but Seminole County has an FOP lodge that has been active for years:

http://www.foplodge172.org

if there's an interest in having union representation (& collective bargaining), just contact the lodge for more information on how to get this started

its just a matter of filling out an interest card and you can remain anonymous

some may be opposed to this, but based on the posts I've read about what has been going on, I think it would help both the agency and employees alike to have union representation on these issues (just as it has for many other neighboring agencies, both in FL & nationwide)

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Seriously? You expect us to tie our fortunes to this lodge? JJ as pres, SN as VP and RO in a leadership role??? What is he in charge of, domestic violence prevention? Get some serious leaders and perhaps this will get some traction. The reason we don't have a union is because of these boobs.

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Seriously? You expect us to tie our fortunes to this lodge?


Seriously? You expect us to tie our fortunes to this lodge?

Actions speak louder than words. They reveal the true nature of people.

Nobody is perfect, but atleast they are making an effort. What have you done lately to unite & defend the rest who have invested their lives, families & futures in Seminole County?

Are you an advocate of unity & brotherhood, or an advocate of chaos & keeping everyone "divided & conquered" ?

Why make misleading statements aimed at discouraging membership in an organization that can bring about positive change?

Why don't you get involved & become part of the solution?

Fortunes have already been lost in having no mediation & representation all these years. This particular FOP lodge lists a trivial $1.10/day for membership that includes a legal defense plan & representation. Thats peanuts compared to the alternative, and clearly a huge step in the right direction. Take a look at the neighboring agencies with FOP lodges that voted for labor union representation - how do their pay & benefits compare to Seminole County?

Everyone needs to get involved to make a difference - our country was founded through unity in the face of adversity.

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I have no problem with the organization, just this particular lodge. Please do enlighten me as to what those affiliated with that lodge have done to make this a better place to work. As you have no idea what I have or haven't done for this place I'll ignore that part, but please, do put me in my place with your dazzling list of their accomplishments.

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From my understanding, this is how lodges & collective bargaining works:

There can only be 1 lodge for each agency, and Seminole County already has FOP lodge #172 - belonging to any other lodge is a waste of money because they cannot represent Seminole County employees for collective bargaining.

With FOP lodge #172 already being established, all it needs is for 1/3rd of the employees to fill out a card that shows an interest in collective bargaining, and once the threshold is reached, an outside 3rd party (PERC) will become involved in validating everything & setting up voting booths to finalize the process.

The cards and votes remain private to protect everyone from being targeted, so there is nothing to fear.

With that in mind, the leaders of any lodge (especially this one) truly deserve everyone's thanks & appreciation for going out on a limb, risking their career & being targeted as a result of establishing the lodge.

If there is any serious concern over leadership, members can vote and change the leadership, and I'm sure there will be more people willing to get involved in a leadership role once collective bargaining has been established to protect them.

So, in summary, the first step is for everyone to fill out an interest card.

for anyone that needs their contact info again, its:

www.foplodge172.org

Call or email the lodge, and take the first step in the right direction.

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Send out the interest cards then. You’ve advertised see if the agency wants that route. But, I have a feeling you’ll get the same results as in the past. Just as the admin are figuring out who’s posted what here, vengeance is a strong motivation. They will still keep employees that may want this from moving. There’s no real way of being involved without someone finding out. They always find it out. The energy in weeding out the posters and people that they want to target was redirected there would be solutions. Nothing but that will make changes. Re-org. Banish the civilian contracted spots. We have no need for a benefits coordinator that 75k+ would go better elsewhere such as getting another couple deputies. That’s the ultimate resolution do whatever it takes to retain your tenured and hire more deputies. You need more troops than commanders, they are the back bone of the agency. Not the command.

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Ok I’ll say it, could it really be any worse with a union? Yeah maybe it’s not the best representation, but would it really be worse than the way we’re treated now? VCSO and OCSO have union representation and they both make more than us.

I’ll fill out an interest card. To the leaders of the union, could you suspend the dues for a period of a few months and see if that entices people to join?

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Get rid of LT and tuck your tail between your legs and let your ego go and bring back SB as your Undersheriff. Nothing will change with LT in that position.

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I don't know if you're all aware but Seminole County has an FOP lodge that has been active for years:

http://www.foplodge172.org

if there's an interest in having union representation (& collective bargaining), just contact the lodge for more information on how to get this started

its just a matter of filling out an interest card and you can remain anonymous

some may be opposed to this, but based on the posts I've read about what has been going on, I think it would help both the agency and employees alike to have union representation on these issues (just as it has for many other neighboring agencies, both in FL & nationwide)

You really might want to think about having FOP 172 represent us. JJ is lazy, refuses to do his job, refuses accept responsibility, a back stabber, and is shady. He was caught up in a scam and from what I hear he was in deep trouble. When he doesn't get his way, he cries and goes running to building 100. He is not the person who can help, he is a joke.

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You really might want to think about having FOP 172 represent us. JJ is lazy, refuses to do his job, refuses accept responsibility, a back stabber, and is shady. He was caught up in a scam and from what I hear he was in deep trouble. When he doesn't get his way, he cries and goes running to building 100. He is not the person who can help, he is a joke.

All I can say is, agreed!

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Broward County just did a no confidence vote on their Sheriff. Maybe it's time we take our own vote and make sure the citizens of Seminole County know what things are really like in our agency.

I support DL, but do not agree with some of his choices for Captain and higher. He needs to leave his ego at the door, tuck his tail between his legs and demote LT to Lieutenant (lowest he can go under civil service) and pick up the phone and call SB and offer him the #2 position. Next, he needs LEO's in the positions of chiefs, get rid of the civilians (okay, maybe not the comptroller). A union would be BIG mistake. DL has the capability to lead the agency, he just made some bad decisions, probably as a result of DFE!!!

Hang in there Sheriff!!

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you guys need a union. I went to school with DL. Asshole then and from the comments still is.
Union would be a HUGE mistake.

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Union would be a HUGE mistake.

Heck no! I agree with you, Union is bad!

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An let the rants begin!

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Heck no! I agree with you, Union is bad!

You obviously are not thinking this through, or you are one of the people causing the trouble everyone is talking about?

Without collective bargaining (aka: union), who do you suppose will represent everyone & mediate issues?

Maybe you think HR is going to be on your side?

Mediation is not just for the employees. The entire organization benefits when issues are resolved and things run smoothly.

So why don't you do the math:

$30/month for group representation & start solving problems
or $5000 retainer to hire a lawyer to defend yourselves, one at a time.

Its a no-brainer.

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You obviously are not thinking this through, or you are one of the people causing the trouble everyone is talking about?

Without collective bargaining (aka: union), who do you suppose will represent everyone & mediate issues?

Maybe you think HR is going to be on your side?

Mediation is not just for the employees. The entire organization benefits when issues are resolved and things run smoothly.

So why don't you do the math:

$30/month for group representation & start solving problems
or $5000 retainer to hire a lawyer to defend yourselves, one at a time.

Its a no-brainer.

This person is an idiot! We don't need a union! Unions are nothing but problems!

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You obviously are not thinking this through, or you are one of the people causing the trouble everyone is talking about?

Without collective bargaining (aka: union), who do you suppose will represent everyone & mediate issues?

Maybe you think HR is going to be on your side?

Mediation is not just for the employees. The entire organization benefits when issues are resolved and things run smoothly.

So why don't you do the math:

$30/month for group representation & start solving problems
or $5000 retainer to hire a lawyer to defend yourselves, one at a time.

Its a no-brainer.

I have been with the Agency longer than most. I can tell you I am not a part of the problem. I back my people 100%, I don’t believe the in the admin politics. It mucks up the waters.

But that FOP Lodge is a joke. Unions won’t make it better. How can a union force an elected official to do their job?

As it go’s for legal, I can obtain several legal plans for the same monthly cost of my choosing. Heck I can even join the FOP orPBA and get their “law enforcement experienced attorneys” without joking a specific Lodge. Because at the end all they want is that check.

As it goes for representatives they really have no power. Go into a IA they can really only sit and listen. They can ask questions but that’s it.

In all my years at this agency I may disagree with our admin and policies and even this new reorganization, when it comes to legal they have always taken care of all of us. Never has any deputy needed an attorney at a shooting. An unless you do something really dumb, immoral and illegal they cover you civilly too. So where is the benefit of us underpaid working class using more of our hard earned money for nothing?

That there my friend is the no brainer!

[Unregistered]

“who do you suppose will represent everyone & mediate issues?”

We have an open door and direct access to the Sheriff. I’ve worked here for a while and came from another agency (union). There is no other agency around here where you can speak with the Sheriff directly about anything. Trust me. Not only that, but he comes to all of us to hear from the source. You don’t need a union when the man himself has your best interest in mind and is showing us through action that he is making progress. From what I’ve seen, he is doing everything he can to make life, work, pay, and everything else better. I listened to him recently and I have no doubt he has our back. Don’t listen to these people who say a union is better or a union is what you need. Unions love your money, say they’ll fight and battle, but they are a waste. You do not need a union when when you have a sheriff that will do what is right for you. He not only says it but he is doing it right now.

[Unregistered]

“who do you suppose will represent everyone & mediate issues?”

We have an open door and direct access to the Sheriff. I’ve worked here for a while and came from another agency (union). There is no other agency around here where you can speak with the Sheriff directly about anything. Trust me. Not only that, but he comes to all of us to hear from the source. You don’t need a union when the man himself has your best interest in mind and is showing us through action that he is making progress. From what I’ve seen, he is doing everything he can to make life, work, pay, and everything else better. I listened to him recently and I have no doubt he has our back. Don’t listen to these people who say a union is better or a union is what you need. Unions love your money, say they’ll fight and battle, but they are a waste. You do not need a union when when you have a sheriff that will do what is right for you. He not only says it but he is doing it right now.


He’s doing shit now because he has no other choice. Do you honestly believe that this man is in your side, that when push comes to shove he will back you no matter what. I think not, his only concern right now is to save face and prepare for re election. His back is on the wall and he will continue say and do whatever it takes to earn our respect. Once again all of you dangling on his sack will realize that he has been a part of our agency for well over 20 years and you mean to tell me he has no clue as to what’s going on in this agency. Wake the hell up, how much more time should I give him to turn this bus around people, this is the same nonsense from the previous Sheriff. He is at the very top of the food chain now, complete control and all I hear are the very same lame excuses. So I guess we’ll just take the same approach, talk shit about him until we’re bored then resume business as usual.

[Unregistered]

Why do some posts have to go through a mod and others don’t???? That is weird.

[Unregistered]

He’s doing shit now because he has no other choice. Do you honestly believe that this man is in your side, that when push comes to shove he will back you no matter what. I think not, his only concern right now is to save face and prepare for re election. His back is on the wall and he will continue say and do whatever it takes to earn our respect. Once again all of you dangling on his sack will realize that he has been a part of our agency for well over 20 years and you mean to tell me he has no clue as to what’s going on in this agency. Wake the hell up, how much more time should I give him to turn this bus around people, this is the same nonsense from the previous Sheriff. He is at the very top of the food chain now, complete control and all I hear are the very same lame excuses. So I guess we’ll just take the same approach, talk shit about him until we’re bored then resume business as usual.

Couldn’t say it any other way. This is just a reaction to all this. It really hasn’t improved it’s all smoke and mirrors. Moving rocks around in the dirt. It’s still dirt and there’s still the same rocks.

[Unregistered]

Not only do I believe he is in our side, I know it. Why don’t you go talk to him instead of being so bitter on this forum?

[Unregistered]

Not only do I believe he is in our side, I know it. Why don’t you go talk to him instead of being so bitter on this forum?

Funny thing he will tell everyone he’s on their side. I’ve witnessed that and even if they oppose each other. Go back to your cushy 100 job.

[Unregistered]

Sounds like a NRU doe trying to save her position. Funny how one thinks they can get by on their looks. Kiss commands butt and say it’s the best. NRU is a huge mistake and they should be disbanded

[Unregistered]

Sounds like a NRU doe trying to save her position. Funny how one thinks they can get by on their looks. Kiss commands butt and say it’s the best. NRU is a huge mistake and they should be disbanded

So you rant about issues and when you don’t get your way or listen to reason you openly slander your brothers and sisters behind internet secrecy knowing they would rush to help you no matter what. Then you want us to join your union? Why? So you can bash more people and divide us? How about this. Leave if you are so unhappy. People see right through all of you who attack us and breed negativity.

10+ year patrol deputy

[Unregistered]

Unions save jobs and protect employees from being targeted by there employers, which seems to be happening more and more at SCSO if your not a favorite. We need to unionize.

[Unregistered]

At least the sheriff finally spoke out in response to a lot of the issues brought up in this thread. Which means at the very least he is reading what’s being said here.

To that point let me reiterate loud and clear: GET RID OF NRD.

They do less than nothing and at this point are just taking bodies away from the road, which vitally needs staffing. No one wants them, not to mention the people on it have done nothing to earn it.

[Unregistered]

The whole agency just need to be thrown away......corruption,corruption,corruption

[Unregistered]

Sir. Do you wonder why every time you come to the jail LB is stuck on you like glue? If she hears your in the building she runs to find you. She doesn't want people to answer your questions honestly. Try coming here when she is on one of her many days off. Help us.

[Unregistered]

Sir. Do you wonder why every time you come to the jail LB is stuck on you like glue? If she hears your in the building she runs to find you. She doesn't want people to answer your questions honestly. Try coming here when she is on one of her many days off. Help us.

I think that’s a reasonable request. I hear she was just as bad for the State. DL go seek out her background from your deputies. Not criminals, inmates and her inner circle.

[Edward McDonough]

Dennis Lemma has never been qualified for any position he has ever had at the Seminole County Sheriff's Office. I do not even remember him being on the street as a patrol deputy. As a CPS investigator, he was incompetent to say the least. He used to have to get a Major Crimes investigator to do his interviews for him since he could never seem to do them himself. As PIO, he would not know a news story if it kicked him. He made his rank by kissing DE's ass and going motorcycle riding with him on the weekends. Now that he is Sheriff, his lack of credentials is showing. Good luck working at the SCSO now!

[Unregistered]

Come on over, you guys have no clue why we get paid the money we do. We do five to ten times the work you guys do with citizens that hate us. You won’t make it here with your 5 arrest a year. In FTO I made over 50 arrest, most of you that is what you do in your career.

OCSO sounds like Sanford PD but with better pay, don’t mind if I do

[Unregistered]

Great job catching the bad guy at the 417 North bound on ramp, a couple of hours ago. The Det. driving the van will never no how close he came to possibly killing some one when blowing through that red light without even slowing down . Sir, there were already FOUR marked units on scene.

[Unregistered]

This agency is so corrupt, Im glad he writer made this post. The post momentum has died down since, but not without getting 100,000+ views! Karma sure is a *****, I’m glad certain people got called out in this post. Not all deserved it, but some definitely did. All for 100,000+ people to see. To the victims, just enjoy your life and let karma take its course.

[Unregistered]

That was an Orange County deputy in that van.....not SCSO

[Unregistered]

That was an Orange County deputy in that van.....not SCSO

Wrong again! First they don't get take homes let alone unmarks. second the deputy from DSD knows what they did.

[Unregistered]

I have to laugh a little one of the pass arounds around all of SC Gets a LMPD formal CPD P-whipped and locks him in with a baby. Typical of SC employees. Oh TJ former TC you finally got into the LEO family. You sure had your way around this County amongst other Counties. Sadly, RJ is actually a nice guy. TJ/TC you are annoying posting all over FB constantly. You are still known as the pass around of the county. Reality check people don't like you. You are one of many....

[Unregistered]

You of all people need to practice what you preach about visiting the chain of command.... just saying

Stalk much? Obviously worried about what others are doing/saying instead of what you should be doing. Nosey.

[Edward McDonough]

I notice Dennis Lemma and other Florida sheriffs are doing a TV commercial endorsing Moody for Attorney General. I thought the SCSO had a policy prohibiting a deputy from campaigning in uniform for a political candidate. If so, then Lemma is violating his own policy. What kind of message does this send to the deputies?

By the way, the policy also restricts political campaigning by deputies to their personal time. They cannot campaign while they are getting paid by the SCSO. If this commercial was filmed during regular business hours then that was another violation by Lemma.

How about obeying your own policies, Sheriff Lemma!

[Unregistered]

TJ captain! Is that not the Fox guarding the hen house! He use rip off the wekiva Reserve HOA!!

[Unregistered]

I notice Dennis Lemma and other Florida sheriffs are doing a TV commercial endorsing Moody for Attorney General. I thought the SCSO had a policy prohibiting a deputy from campaigning in uniform for a political candidate. If so, then Lemma is violating his own policy. What kind of message does this send to the deputies?

By the way, the policy also restricts political campaigning by deputies to their personal time. They cannot campaign while they are getting paid by the SCSO. If this commercial was filmed during regular business hours then that was another violation by Lemma.

How about obeying your own policies, Sheriff Lemma!

Your are still an idiot! He is an elected official, he can endorse whoever he wants!

[Unregistered]

I did not say he could not endorse a political candidate. He just needs to do on his own time...not the taxpayers time and wear a suit and tie not a uniform. Read my post, stupid. You sound like a Lemma asskisser.

[Unregistered]

Hey Dennis,

How’s that new Maserati driving? You slash benefits and raise healthcare costs for everyone, then buy an exotic car for yourself. Way to enhance your quality of life there chief! Btw, pretty sure that line is meant for the citizens, not for your personal gain.

This guy is ****ing unbelievable.

[Unregistered]

Hey Dennis,

How’s that new Maserati driving? You slash benefits and raise healthcare costs for everyone, then buy an exotic car for yourself. Way to enhance your quality of life there chief! Btw, pretty sure that line is meant for the citizens, not for your personal gain.

This guy is ****ing unbelievable.

Did he really? Wow just wow.

[Unregistered]

Hey Dennis,

How’s that new Maserati driving? You slash benefits and raise healthcare costs for everyone, then buy an exotic car for yourself. Way to enhance your quality of life there chief! Btw, pretty sure that line is meant for the citizens, not for your personal gain.

This guy is ****ing unbelievable.

Wow! Just WOW!

[Unregistered]

So a man who makes approximately $160,000 by statute mind you, purchased a used car and you have an issue? Check Cargurus for used Maserati in Orlando. Average prices are 30-40 g. My last vehicle purchase was more and I'm a slick sleeve. God forbid he enjoys a lifetimes hard work. I also saw him at the grocery store the other day and he bought a rib-eye instead of a sirloin. All I know I have more money in my check and have better working conditions that many places I have seen. If you have an issue go see him about spending his money on what he wants you know where his office is I'm sure he will speak to you. On another note I will be in the break room selling pacifiers for any of you toddlers that need one. PATHETIC at best

[Unregistered]

So a man who makes approximately $160,000 by statute mind you, purchased a used car and you have an issue? Check Cargurus for used Maserati in Orlando. Average prices are 30-40 g. My last vehicle purchase was more and I'm a slick sleeve. God forbid he enjoys a lifetimes hard work. I also saw him at the grocery store the other day and he bought a rib-eye instead of a sirloin. All I know I have more money in my check and have better working conditions that many places I have seen. If you have an issue go see him about spending his money on what he wants you know where his office is I'm sure he will speak to you. On another note I will be in the break room selling pacifiers for any of you toddlers that need one. PATHETIC at best

Well first off Bud put the Koolaide down!! And well yes since most of the deputies that are hired and remain at SCSO have zero education, I am sure this job compared to Walmart is a huge pay increase for you.. I could careless what he spends his money on its his right. But he has run this agency into the ground. Everyone who has an education or a brain on their head is leaving and getting hired elsewhere for more money less bullshit..

[Unregistered]

Well first off Bud put the Koolaide down!! And well yes since most of the deputies that are hired and remain at SCSO have zero education, I am sure this job compared to Walmart is a huge pay increase for you.. I could careless what he spends his money on its his right. But he has run this agency into the ground. Everyone who has an education or a brain on their head is leaving and getting hired elsewhere for more money less bullshit..

Lol @ koolaid. That seems to be an agency wide term now for the goons in the tower

[Unregistered]

So a man who makes approximately $160,000 by statute mind you, purchased a used car and you have an issue? Check Cargurus for used Maserati in Orlando. Average prices are 30-40 g. My last vehicle purchase was more and I'm a slick sleeve. God forbid he enjoys a lifetimes hard work. I also saw him at the grocery store the other day and he bought a rib-eye instead of a sirloin. All I know I have more money in my check and have better working conditions that many places I have seen. If you have an issue go see him about spending his money on what he wants you know where his office is I'm sure he will speak to you. On another note I will be in the break room selling pacifiers for any of you toddlers that need one. PATHETIC at best

Congratulations slick sleeve. With an attitude like that, they will make a senior administrator of inter-agency relations of you. I think the point they are trying to make

[Unregistered]

Zero education but somehow you remain. Where are all the people who have left? Oh wait a second, some have come back as they realized that maybe its not so bad after all. You on the other hand are apparently too lazy to leave as it is run into the ground as you mentioned. Go hide somewhere as you don't have the backbone to go and do your job. Don't worry the rest of us will pick up your slack. I would guess your work product is so abysmal you can't get a transfer and no other place will hire you due to your uselessness as well as your poor ability to do your job. Your work ethic wouldn't allow Walmart to hire you. Again, you know where his office is at, find your spine and go tell him what's wrong. Go ahead you bag of wind put your mouth where your keyboard is at. Sure is real easy to run your mouth about the sheriff when you hide from him behind your computer. Go ahead and walk in there tomorrow and tell it like you feel. And by the way you couldn't fill my shoes with two sets of feet. Well until you get another dose of keyboard warrior courage I bid you ado.

[Unregistered]

Zero education but somehow you remain. Where are all the people who have left? Oh wait a second, some have come back as they realized that maybe its not so bad after all. You on the other hand are apparently too lazy to leave as it is run into the ground as you mentioned. Go hide somewhere as you don't have the backbone to go and do your job. Don't worry the rest of us will pick up your slack. I would guess your work product is so abysmal you can't get a transfer and no other place will hire you due to your uselessness as well a ths your poor ability to do your job. Your work ethic wouldn't allow Walmart to hire you. Again, you know where his office is at, find your spine and go tell him what's wrong. Go ahead you bag of wind put your mouth where your keyboard is at. Sure is real easy to run your mouth about the sheriff when you hide from him behind your computer. Go ahead and walk in there tomorrow and tell it like you feel. And by the way you couldn't fill my shoes with two sets of feet. Well until you get another dose of keyboard warrior courage I bid you ado.

Gone work one County over now! starting pay went up $11,000 first year and combined with details making an additional 60k more than I did at SCSO..And thats not counting the yearly step plan that will top me out in the 80's without promoting. People that have come back are lazy and couldn't hack it at other agencies. Yes one county over you hump a ton of calls more than you ever will at SCSO. But the pay and the ability to have a union; coupled with all the details and mobility that is open to you made it worth while in my case.

Dont worry about me I am doing fine. If you are happy working under a tyrannical regime that fires people for talking and having an opinion of their own then by all means stay. Make your lower Salary and enjoy watching buddies of buddies get promoted into position that they are woefully unqualified for. Watch your PTO shrink, watch your health care double, and loose all you special unit pay incentives.

I am not trying to fill your shoes, I left and will never return.. SCSO is a medium sized agency that thinks they are bigger than they really are. It has become nothing more than a large good ole boys club where you must kiss the ring to move anywhere. Thats fine if you are happy serving on your knees as you seem to be..

Enjoy SCSO Sir..

[Unregistered]

Zero education but somehow you remain. Where are all the people who have left? Oh wait a second, some have come back as they realized that maybe its not so bad after all. You on the other hand are apparently too lazy to leave as it is run into the ground as you mentioned. Go hide somewhere as you don't have the backbone to go and do your job. Don't worry the rest of us will pick up your slack. I would guess your work product is so abysmal you can't get a transfer and no other place will hire you due to your uselessness as well as your poor ability to do your job. Your work ethic wouldn't allow Walmart to hire you. Again, you know where his office is at, find your spine and go tell him what's wrong. Go ahead you bag of wind put your mouth where your keyboard is at. Sure is real easy to run your mouth about the sheriff when you hide from him behind your computer. Go ahead and walk in there tomorrow and tell it like you feel. And by the way you couldn't fill my shoes with two sets of feet. Well until you get another dose of keyboard warrior courage I bid you ado.

BTW I am amazed you can type and suck up as hard as you are at the same time.. Until you get out of the mess you truly wont understand how bad it really is...

[Unregistered]

Gone work one County over now! starting pay went up $11,000 first year and combined with details making an additional 60k more than I did at SCSO..And thats not counting the yearly step plan that will top me out in the 80's without promoting. People that have come back are lazy and couldn't hack it at other agencies. Yes one county over you hump a ton of calls more than you ever will at SCSO. But the pay and the ability to have a union; coupled with all the details and mobility that is open to you made it worth while in my case.

Dont worry about me I am doing fine. If you are happy working under a tyrannical regime that fires people for talking and having an opinion of their own then by all means stay. Make your lower Salary and enjoy watching buddies of buddies get promoted into position that they are woefully unqualified for. Watch your PTO shrink, watch your health care double, and loose all you special unit pay incentives.

I am not trying to fill your shoes, I left and will never return.. SCSO is a medium sized agency that thinks they are bigger than they really are. It has become nothing more than a large good ole boys club where you must kiss the ring to move anywhere. Thats fine if you are happy serving on your knees as you seem to be..

Enjoy SCSO Sir..


Holy shit ROUND OF APPLAUSE.. take a ****ing bow. Can I get an encore?

[Unregistered]

So a man who makes approximately $160,000 by statute mind you, purchased a used car and you have an issue? Check Cargurus for used Maserati in Orlando. Average prices are 30-40 g. My last vehicle purchase was more and I'm a slick sleeve. God forbid he enjoys a lifetimes hard work. I also saw him at the grocery store the other day and he bought a rib-eye instead of a sirloin. All I know I have more money in my check and have better working conditions that many places I have seen. If you have an issue go see him about spending his money on what he wants you know where his office is I'm sure he will speak to you. On another note I will be in the break room selling pacifiers for any of you toddlers that need one. PATHETIC at best

I don’t even know that him buying a car is the point. I think the point is, the agency is in the worst state it’s ever been in. Morale is low, benefits, pay, stats, not feeling good enough no matter what we do, not being able to make ends meet. knowing the sheriff sees how we all feel about the 3 who got terminated over words, knowing how our morale is so low and he isn’t doing anything about it except putting a smile on his face, and making himself happy is insane. A guy who wears a ****ing suit to the range, and only cares about what he and the agency looks like from the outside but doesn’t do anything to fix what’s going on inside is a politician and a coward. He’s a selfish man who let the rank get to him.. he is out of touch with reality and surrounded by his goons who continue to drink the koolaid. Seminole used to be the place to work. Now, it’s the place to get a foot in and go somewhere else. The state of the agency is not good and he is not doing anything about it.

[Unregistered]

I don’t even know that him buying a car is the point. I think the point is, the agency is in the worst state it’s ever been in. Morale is low, benefits, pay, stats, not feeling good enough no matter what we do, not being able to make ends meet. knowing the sheriff sees how we all feel about the 3 who got terminated over words, knowing how our morale is so low and he isn’t doing anything about it except putting a smile on his face, and making himself happy is insane. A guy who wears a ****ing suit to the range, and only cares about what he and the agency looks like from the outside but doesn’t do anything to fix what’s going on inside is a politician and a coward. He’s a selfish man who let the rank get to him.. he is out of touch with reality and surrounded by his goons who continue to drink the koolaid. Seminole used to be the place to work. Now, it’s the place to get a foot in and go somewhere else. The state of the agency is not good and he is not doing anything about it.

Bingo. For all the leadership nonsense he spouts, he does not adhere to any of the practices he’s preaching.

I left. Never been happier. Treated well, 30k overall raise, better equipment, and empowered to do the job I wanted to do when I started all this.

We were really hoping for better from you sir. You let us down.

[Unregistered]

Our budget at SCSO isn’t anywhere close to that of OCSO and OPD. Anyone think about that??

Except SCSO has a bigger budget than OPD.

[Unregistered]

It's amazing to read through this old thread and realize things have only gotten worse.

What a joke.

[Unregistered]

If we stick our heads in the ground and do nothing, maybe things will change. Lol said all the great leadership books never.

[Unregistered]

It seems as this agencies bigest problem is the person responsible for "fixing problems" in the agency. Driving away good personell in the process and driving moral down to new lows. Sad to see it happen.

Regards

W. Wallace

[Unregistered]

Except SCSO has a bigger budget than OPD.

OPD doesn't run a jail or courthouse security. Remove that and OPD has a larger budget compared to what we have allocated for Division of LE.

[Unregistered]

OPD doesn't run a jail or courthouse security. Remove that and OPD has a larger budget compared to what we have allocated for Division of LE.

Right remove jail and courthouse and SCSO is smaller by about 300 sworn officers so whats your point?