The Police mindset needs to be explained and defended

[Unregistered]

Several days have passed since the Orlando shootings. The media, and arm chaired quarterbacks have chimed in and have repeatedly questioned the delay in making entry and neutralizing this shooter. Since I have heard not one LEO official, anywhere in this Country publically state this, I will attempt to do so. The first goal of any LEO, is to survive and go home! Police work can be dangerous at times, and we often get hurt or killed doing this job, "But it is not a job requirement to get killed or sacrifice yourself". Often, Leo's will take truly heroic measures in this job, but it cannot be ordered or part of a policy to do so. Active shooter training came about after the Columbine High School murders. Again, a attempt to neutralize a shooter if possible. Once the situation turns into a barricaded subject with IED's and Superior firepower, the average police beat officer is ill equipped or trained nor would they have overwhelming force present in order to get the threat stopped. Containment is now a priority until SWAT can respond and deploy. A crucial element of any SWAT operation, is negotiating if possible, and obtaining intel such as physical layout, type of weapons involved, potential for bombs etc. A lot of this info is provided by the initial responding officers. If at anytime the shooting starts back up prior to SWAT deploying, the original responding officers face the same problem, can they get to the shooter, do they have the equipment or overwhelming firepower to do so, can they guarantee no civilians will be hit by their on bullets? Good intentions do not trump civil liability. Unfortunately other people may die. The truth of the matter is not every scenario can be resolved within minutes of arrival.

[Unregistered]

There used to be a time when law enforcement officers agreed to take a certain amount of risk if necessary in order to protect the citizens. Over time that has changed to a "cops first, let's all go home" mentality. OPD knew there were hundreds of people in that nightclub and numerous shots fired (victim 911 calls, cars in parking lot, etc.) It had to be obvious that there were many casualties.
Instead of going in within a reasonable amount of time to save the wounded, the cowardly OPD waited 3 hours to protect their own butts. As the above poster states he didn't think it's his job to "sacrifice".
What we have in OPD is institutionalized cowardice!

[Unregistered]

There used to be a time when law enforcement officers agreed to take a certain amount of risk if necessary in order to protect the citizens. Over time that has changed to a "cops first, let's all go home" mentality. OPD knew there were hundreds of people in that nightclub and numerous shots fired (victim 911 calls, cars in parking lot, etc.) It had to be obvious that there were many casualties.
Instead of going in within a reasonable amount of time to save the wounded, the cowardly OPD waited 3 hours to protect their own butts. As the above poster states he didn't think it's his job to "sacrifice".
What we have in OPD is institutionalized cowardice!

Listen pal.
I am sorry that your queer significant whatever got killed in this mess.
Take your ****ing meds and stay off of this site, no one cares about what you think.
Join up and you can lead the charge on the next one; its coming.
People like you make it almost impossible for the rest of us to believe in God; he couldn't have made so many assholes ! ! !

[Unregistered]

Listen pal.
I am sorry that your queer significant whatever got killed in this mess.
Take your ****ing meds and stay off of this site, no one cares about what you think.
Join up and you can lead the charge on the next one; its coming.
People like you make it almost impossible for the rest of us to believe in God; he couldn't have made so many assholes ! ! !

Queer? Try Marine Corps Recon you ****ing idiot. It makes me sick to see what pussies you cops have devolved into!

[Unregistered]

Recon? Yeah right. You were probably a spoon.

[Unregistered]

Queer? Try Marine Corps Recon you ****ing idiot. It makes me sick to see what pussies you cops have devolved into!

It seems as if I remember that the Recon units were comprised of guys that enjoyed giving reach-arounds in the showers and aggressive dikes with oversize Clits.
Is that still the case?

[FL SWAT cop]

There is a standard for the importance of life when dealing with these type of situations. In order they go like this victims/hostages, innocent civilians, police officers, tactical officers and then suspect. If you put the importance a lower subject above one of a higher standing you run the risk of you mission failing. Having said that I will say that it makes no sense to rush into a no win situation, just to be a hero. If all you will accomplish by rushing in is getting yourself killed, then all you have done is created a bigger problem.

There are also standards on how to deal with active shooters and hostage situations. If the person is actively killing people you go in and neutralize the threat. If the shooter stops shooting and takes hostage you slow your roll, contain and wait for SWAT and negotiations. The public doesn't want to hear that we will step over the wounded to get to the shooter in active shooter situations. Those that are shot or wounded will be helped once we stop the shooter, that is the hard facts of these situations. That is why we need to keep the mind set that this job is done by rough men and women that deal with the ugliness of human nature.

It is a sad state to think that we can legislate ourselves out of danger. Signs will not prevent ignorance from prevailing. Passing laws against guns will only prevent law abiding citizens from obtaining guns. Those that are criminals or have evil in their hearts will find a way to arm themselves.

If you were not on scene in Orlando or have never been in a situation like that you can not judge the officers on their actions. If you are making or passing judgement by what you have seen from the news, then shame on you. God bless all those that are brave enough to put on the uniform, not matter what color it is. They are truly God's warriors.

[Unregistered]

What you ***** cops fail to understand is that when dozens of people are shot and bleeding to death, even when the shooter
stops, it's equivalent to the shooter still being active because he continues to kill by denying medical care to the critically
wounded. I can understand not wanting to rush in but under the circumstances three hours crossed the line from caution well
into cowardice.

[Unregistered]

Pretty certain all active shooter training across the country is the same. And if it's "active", there is no waiting for any special response units.....

[Unregistered]

What you ***** cops fail to understand is that when dozens of people are shot and bleeding to death, even when the shooter
stops, it's equivalent to the shooter still being active because he continues to kill by denying medical care to the critically
wounded. I can understand not wanting to rush in but under the circumstances three hours crossed the line from caution well
into cowardice.

I can't decide whether to classify being called a coward by a queer is an insult or an enigma.

[Unregistered]

This same SWAT team has no problem being billy badass breaking down the front doors to civilian homes and threatening the people inside watching TV or eating dinner over a couple of joints or a DNA warrant. You will throw the unarmed grandmother on the floor or rough up an unarmed teenager, but heaven forbid you take on someone that can actually fight back.

You had ballistic shields, bullet proof vests, automatic weapons, flash bang grenades, armored cars and you STILL cowered in the parking lot hiding behind your cars for three hours. I wonder how many of you would have gone next door to the Dunkin Donuts instead if it had been open.

How many unarmed civilians has the Orlando police shot in the last three years. Is it 36? 49? You are cowardly pussies and you will always be known as the cowardly pussies that ran for cover instead of doing your jobs. These comments out here will also generate a new charge against you cowards, that you sat outside because you hate gay people and they weren't worth saving. A bunch of homophobic jackboot cowards who get off beating up old ladies and shooting unarmed teens. It's a title you've all earned.

[Unregistered]

I was watching their chief on TV giving an update during the alligator incident. He displayed a lot of disorganized thoughts and beat around the bush for a long time before finally addressing the issue. He is definately a few french fries short of a happy meal. OPD needs to get a chief with some balls who can turn that into a real PD.

[Unregistered]

What do you expect from a Mickey Mouse police department like that. By the way, how are those ballistic tests coming to see how many of the 49 were killed by the police cowards from outside the building shooting into the building from the hole they made in the wall because they were too afraid to go inside and see who they were shooting at?

[Unregistered]

I propose the OPD repaint their cars yellow (to reflect their courage) and change their motto to "We serve and protect....ourselves"

[Unregistered]

This is great ! ! ! ! !

No longer will Orlando be associated with Family Vacations, Disney, Universal, Old Town and just healthy fun for the whole family.

Orlando now is the epicenter of Gays, Lesbians and other assorted misfits that you just LOVE to have your kids around, but also the city with the biggest Muslim population growth in Florida.
Think about how many of these "folks" are hiding under the Disney costumes as they grope your kids in the park for photo ops ? ? ?

This marks the beginning of the end of Orlando as a family vacation destination.
Dump your Disney stock now ! ! ! !