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07-16-2012, 05:19 PM
In your department are you bound to the 1000 ft. off campus only? Does the cleary act at all extend the jurisdictional lines? Do you guys have issues when it come to that with your administration?

07-16-2012, 07:52 PM
In your department are you bound to the 1000 ft. off campus only? Does the cleary act at all extend the jurisdictional lines? Do you guys have issues when it come to that with your administration?
We are encouraged to patrol in the 1000 foot area if it's slow on campus. The command staff affectionately refers to this area as "The Moat". Can't answer the Cleary Act question. This moat patrol increases our "Chief's Challenge" and "Click-it-or-Ticket" numbers greatly. Can't have a shift blotter without traffic you know. Pedestrians will be getting citations shortly. However at the same time this seems like it's strengthened our community relations on campus greatly.

07-16-2012, 09:30 PM
Our community is very happy knowing that they are being used as stats for a contest.

07-18-2012, 02:59 PM
A presence on the border deters crime from making its way onto campus. Those who have a do-less, parking lot police philosophy would disagree I'm sure. The adversity doesn't change the fact that it's true though. The stats argument is a weak way to attack a good proactive philosophy.

07-18-2012, 08:46 PM
Crimes on campus have not gone down despite doing a lot of traffic stops outside of the campus. That's all for stats and numbers. If anything it is helping out the County and City areas that do not fund the UP. They always care about stats, but if you broke the stats down, most of it is stuff off campus. If they only ran the on campus stats, it would not meet the requirements for the awards the Admin wants to achieve. The USF students and community pay for police protection on campus and responding quickly to crimes that occur on the campus, and to patrol the campus to insure the safety of the students living on the campus. Officers that are enforcing traffic off of campus, make a lot traffic stops, traffic arrests and write a lot of tickets, but there is a downside. They are not on campus when we need thier manpower a lot of times due to this..., they end up at the orient road jail with the people they arrest from their traffic stops that occur off campus.

07-18-2012, 10:28 PM
A presence on the border deters crime from making its way onto campus. Those who have a do-less, parking lot police philosophy would disagree I'm sure. The adversity doesn't change the fact that it's true though. The stats argument is a weak way to attack a good proactive philosophy.

This is idea is one of the Criminal Justice studies/text book theories that is not true in the USF campus situation as a defined in the study. This enforement study was done in a particular neighborhood with a high crime rate..ie, housing projects. It did work, but it does not work in the USF campus situation. The USF campus sets on a certain defined location and borders. Patrolling the areas outside of the Campus does not produce the same results in the study. It does not hold true for the campus situation. To relate it to the study, and get the same effects, you would need units patrolling with in the campus area. This study has been abused to get traffic stop and arrest stats.

07-19-2012, 04:19 PM
I would have to disagree. a strong aggressive police presence will deter the criminal element from entering the university. The crimes that go on inside by the student body won't compare to that from outside.

07-19-2012, 07:39 PM
Does the Pasco County sheriff do traffic within the southern side of Hillsborough County just to keep crime down in Pasco??? What sense does this make!!!

USF is doing traffic in Temple terrace, Hillsborough County and Tampa Police areas. Funny thing is I never see any of them Patrolling Campus.

07-19-2012, 08:05 PM
You never see police on campus? Look at the stats buddy... You will see that there are constant special details on campus. Look a little harder and you'll see that more traffic is done on campus than off. USF has a nice mix of officers right now. There are highly active go-getters who are doing DUI enforcement, making traffic arrests and taking a lot of enforcement action on and off campus. There are a lot of campus oriented officers who are focusing on special details, contacts and crime prevention. It takes all kinds. While you might not be getting an "of the year" award... you are still an important part of the solution. Those who are in the former group realize that those in the latter group are necessary and vice versa. Why are you so wrapped up in off campus traffic?

07-23-2012, 03:00 PM
You never see police on campus? Look at the stats buddy... You will see that there are constant special details on campus. Look a little harder and you'll see that more traffic is done on campus than off. USF has a nice mix of officers right now. There are highly active go-getters who are doing DUI enforcement, making traffic arrests and taking a lot of enforcement action on and off campus. There are a lot of campus oriented officers who are focusing on special details, contacts and crime prevention. It takes all kinds. While you might not be getting an "of the year" award... you are still an important part of the solution. Those who are in the former group realize that those in the latter group are necessary and vice versa. Why are you so wrapped up in off campus traffic?

Excellent post

07-24-2012, 01:32 AM
Things have terribly gone wrong some where on this job...the people working in the patrol see it...but the Admin don't see it and only do what they are told by the Chief....It's a sinkng ship....

07-24-2012, 11:43 AM
Things have terribly gone wrong some where on this job...the people working in the patrol see it...but the Admin don't see it and only do what they are told by the Chief....It's a sinkng ship....
Your "country" dialect (aka poor grammar) makes it very easy to know who you are. Standby for Hell to rain down on you.

07-25-2012, 12:01 AM
Why do people constantly bash the chief and make everything about the challenge. If an officer wants to be proactive and not sit around all day or night, there is no reason to whine and complain about it. One can say that doing traffic off campus does not deter crime on it, however, if a would be criminal were to observe a patrol car sitting in the same parking lot, in the same position with the windows condensed over, I doubt that would be a deterrent as well. There has to be a happy medium. Patrolling the campus, via vehicle and foot, is a necessary role in our job. However, when the call volume is down and there is nothing else going on, there is no reason to sit and do nothing. Get out there and do what you signed up to do. Last I checked, traffic enforcement is a role police must play. I seem to remember years ago a large part of my police academy focusing on traffic enforcement. We really need to stop all the inner bickering and just accept the fact that traffic is going to be done, its going to be done off-campus, and its vital aspect of our job. At the same time, we cant neglect our on campus duties. Its up to each individual officer to "police" themselves and be mature enough to know when to do both and make themselves well rounded.

07-25-2012, 12:33 AM
Things have terribly gone wrong some where on this job...the people working in the patrol see it...but the Admin don't see it and only do what they are told by the Chief....It's a sinkng ship....
Your "country" dialect (aka poor grammar) makes it very easy to know who you are. Standby for Hell to rain down on you.


Your rain of hell really worked well last time you flexed your muscles.

07-25-2012, 09:11 PM
Why do people constantly bash the chief and make everything about the challenge. If an officer wants to be proactive and not sit around all day or night, there is no reason to whine and complain about it. One can say that doing traffic off campus does not deter crime on it, however, if a would be criminal were to observe a patrol car sitting in the same parking lot, in the same position with the windows condensed over, I doubt that would be a deterrent as well. There has to be a happy medium. Patrolling the campus, via vehicle and foot, is a necessary role in our job. However, when the call volume is down and there is nothing else going on, there is no reason to sit and do nothing. Get out there and do what you signed up to do. Last I checked, traffic enforcement is a role police must play. I seem to remember years ago a large part of my police academy focusing on traffic enforcement. We really need to stop all the inner bickering and just accept the fact that traffic is going to be done, its going to be done off-campus, and its vital aspect of our job. At the same time, we cant neglect our on campus duties. Its up to each individual officer to "police" themselves and be mature enough to know when to do both and make themselves well rounded.

Well said. Traffic work does help keep the cruds off our turf, but there are a few of us...thankfully a very few...who only want to sit in their car in a parking lot. They never matured beyond the sophomoric motivation for being a cop of looking in the mirror and admiring themselves...perhaps getting a tingle up their leg, or worse. It's about police work. WORK. Discard your hand mirror boys (and girls) and do what you are paid for. If you still must whine on here, then move on to what you consider a "real" police department because we are TIRED of your crap. If you can, that is.

07-26-2012, 12:44 AM
Why do people constantly bash the chief and make everything about the challenge. If an officer wants to be proactive and not sit around all day or night, there is no reason to whine and complain about it. One can say that doing traffic off campus does not deter crime on it, however, if a would be criminal were to observe a patrol car sitting in the same parking lot, in the same position with the windows condensed over, I doubt that would be a deterrent as well. There has to be a happy medium. Patrolling the campus, via vehicle and foot, is a necessary role in our job. However, when the call volume is down and there is nothing else going on, there is no reason to sit and do nothing. Get out there and do what you signed up to do. Last I checked, traffic enforcement is a role police must play. I seem to remember years ago a large part of my police academy focusing on traffic enforcement. We really need to stop all the inner bickering and just accept the fact that traffic is going to be done, its going to be done off-campus, and its vital aspect of our job. At the same time, we cant neglect our on campus duties. Its up to each individual officer to "police" themselves and be mature enough to know when to do both and make themselves well rounded.

Well said. Traffic work does help keep the cruds off our turf, but there are a few of us...thankfully a very few...who only want to sit in their car in a parking lot. They never matured beyond the sophomoric motivation for being a cop of looking in the mirror and admiring themselves...perhaps getting a tingle up their leg, or worse. It's about police work. WORK. Discard your hand mirror boys (and girls) and do what you are paid for. If you still must whine on here, then move on to what you consider a "real" police department because we are TIRED of your crap. If you can, that is.


I just love when the Command staff posts here. Stick to what you usually do, second guessing what cops do on the street from the comfort of your desk a day later.

09-25-2012, 09:52 PM
Well what do you know, one s35 and now someone thinks that we should actually be patrolling our own juristiction once again.

You can't prevent crime in your own backyard when your to busy playing in someone else's. :cop: :cop: :cop:

09-26-2012, 12:19 PM
We all know no amount of patrolling anywhere could have prevented those so called burglaries. A guest was allowed to walk around the dorms unescorted and he casually walked into dorms that were left unlocked by our highly educated but not very smart students. Ted Bundy would have had a field day. We were lucky it was just a stupid kid. As for the S35, well we all know how that is going to turn out. But that's still an open investigation.
Not saying I agree with the whole "moat" mentality but I have to say crime has been going down from what it was years ago. When was the last time a car got broken into. I mean really got broken into not just left unlocked and a purse grew arms and legs and let itself out of the car. When was the last time we had a car stolen (and no not a golf cart). Aggressive directed patrols and traffic enforcement does make the common thief reconsider their plan of attack. I'm by no means a big fan of command staff but give credit where it's due. They might be on to something here. I for one don't keep my house safe by just looking around inside of it. I make sure the perimeter is secure and often take a look see from the outside, in, to see what a bad guy might see. Only then do I know what needs to be reinforced. Just saying. Peace!!

09-27-2012, 12:56 AM
In my opinion the reason the the crime rate on campus has dropped is because of the AB patrols and the presence of patrols out there on the campus..., out there in the USF community on their golf carts. It has nothing to do with officers. Most of the officers activity is out somewhere on Fletcher or Fowler stopping cars and making DUI and Drug arrest. That is good for the stats that the Chief wants to produce. He is the Chief and thats what he wants. For on campus safety, security, and determent of crime on the actuall campus, they need the golf cart patrols. On the other hand as valuable as the AB is, I am sure they could double the number of patrols at a much lower cost by hiring student security officers officers at a much lower wage and save a lot of money to do the same thing as the two old men from the muppet show to ride around in a gold cart and do the same thing. This is not the safe team...who's main job is to transport students from point A to point B, it means hiring students to patrol in AB 's capacity with a basic D security license. A lot of money could be saved.

09-27-2012, 02:43 AM
In my opinion the reason the the crime rate on campus has dropped is because of the AB patrols and the presence of patrols out there on the campus..., out there in the USF community on their golf carts. It has nothing to do with officers. Most of the officers activity is out somewhere on Fletcher or Fowler stopping cars and making DUI and Drug arrest. That is good for the stats that the Chief wants to produce. He is the Chief and thats what he wants. For on campus safety, security, and determent of crime on the actuall campus, they need the golf cart patrols. On the other hand as valuable as the AB is, I am sure they could double the number of patrols at a much lower cost by hiring student security officers officers at a much lower wage and save a lot of money to do the same thing as the two old men from the muppet show to ride around in a gold cart and do the same thing. This is not the safe team...who's main job is to transport students from point A to point B, it means hiring students to patrol in AB 's capacity with a basic D security license. A lot of money could be saved.

Do you realize how stupid you sound??? Yea, lets ***** and moan about getting criminals off the streets. How dare police officers arrest drunks and druggies. Shame on us few proactive officers who enjoy enforcing the law. You sit there and talk about the campus, campus, campus and while I agree it needs to be patrolled; lets see what you say when a student or two gets mowed down crossing Fletcher by a drunk who runs a red light. Or maybe that felony drug bust on Fletcher and 42nd was heading to deal on campus. Lets think here people. As stated before, no amount of golf carts or foot patrols could have prevented the recent burglaries. We all know, or should know, that if someone wants to commit a crime bad enough, they will. Doesnt matter if theres 6 cops or 600. Complaining about proactive police work is a way for the weak to justify their being. If we stop patrolling off campus and stick to walking around all day/night, their numbers wont look bad, they wont look as lazy, and they wont feel the pressure to perform. But for now our philosophy is a good one. As long as there is a healthy balance of campus patrol and off campus work, we are doing our duties for our ENTIRE community. Last time I checked, I was a police officer. I swore to uphold the laws of the state of florida. Im not going to sit under a tree and watch movies. Im going to work, Im going to use every inch of the 1000 foot jurisdiction I am legally allowed to have, and I am going do my best to be a well balanced officer. Maybe you should try that.

09-27-2012, 03:48 AM
You are a cop, but remember you are a campus cop tough guy. I don't think the meaning of that last post was to stop doing what the Chief wants in his enforcements off of the campus for the stats, that is what he wants and it is going on. There are plenty of guys that enjoy doing that and a lot that don't on this job. But as far as what you were really hired for, don't forget you carry a big set of keys and are a campus cop when it comes down to it. If they ever got rid of the AB, you would be back to doing all their BS work of opening up doors, locking doors, going to stuck elevators, bringing in lost property..ect...

Continuously making traffic arrest off campus is doing what the Chief wants, and that is good and it probably makes you feel like you are doing real police work. But like I say you took the job here as a campus cop and there are a lot of others that took this job to be campus cops and have no interest in being FHP, TPD, or HCSO and make a lot less money for that n their career choice. They actually wanted to be a campus cop and do what they do as a campus cop and get paid a lot less for it in their career decision of career choice. You are fooling yourself. My advice to you if you do not understand that, is get hired by an agency that does traffic all day long. That is FHP, and they don't pay as much as here. At HCSO and TPD you can do traffic but you will also have twice the workload and won't be able to spend your entire night just doing traffic stops and traffic arrests. You won't be able to do all the traffic you want and get an award or a bonus check for all your stops or DUI arrests. The choice is yours, but don't knock the people working here that actually wanted to be a "campus cop" and carry those set of keys and half the work that other agencies do at a lot less pay than they get. A lot of officers, most, here enjoy doing the foot patrol and trying to make the campus a safer place as oppossed to doing a lot of traffic all day like they did when they first got hired on the job somewhere else years ago. It's probably really a maturity level on the job.

09-27-2012, 11:12 PM
You are a cop, but remember you are a campus cop tough guy. I don't think the meaning of that last post was to stop doing what the Chief wants in his enforcements off of the campus for the stats, that is what he wants and it is going on. There are plenty of guys that enjoy doing that and a lot that don't on this job. But as far as what you were really hired for, don't forget you carry a big set of keys and are a campus cop when it comes down to it. If they ever got rid of the AB, you would be back to doing all their BS work of opening up doors, locking doors, going to stuck elevators, bringing in lost property..ect...

Continuously making traffic arrest off campus is doing what the Chief wants, and that is good and it probably makes you feel like you are doing real police work. But like I say you took the job here as a campus cop and there are a lot of others that took this job to be campus cops and have no interest in being FHP, TPD, or HCSO and make a lot less money for that n their career choice. They actually wanted to be a campus cop and do what they do as a campus cop and get paid a lot less for it in their career decision of career choice. You are fooling yourself. My advice to you if you do not understand that, is get hired by an agency that does traffic all day long. That is FHP, and they don't pay as much as here. At HCSO and TPD you can do traffic but you will also have twice the workload and won't be able to spend your entire night just doing traffic stops and traffic arrests. You won't be able to do all the traffic you want and get an award or a bonus check for all your stops or DUI arrests. The choice is yours, but don't knock the people working here that actually wanted to be a "campus cop" and carry those set of keys and half the work that other agencies do at a lot less pay than they get. A lot of officers, most, here enjoy doing the foot patrol and trying to make the campus a safer place as oppossed to doing a lot of traffic all day like they did when they first got hired on the job somewhere else years ago. It's probably really a maturity level on the job.

Thats pretty sad. You are only a campus cop if you choose to be that. I work for the university police, yes, but my mindset is that of a police officer. i carry keys and answer alarms, but so does every city or county agency. Its not all about traffic by any means, but the point is, Id rather be doing traffic stops and traffic arrests then sitting in my car watching Netflix. See the fundamental problem with your rambling is that the campus cops we do have dont do anything at all!!! They dont do foot patrols but maybe once a shift, they are not out interacting with the community. They do their five stops, and then disappear. They hide under a tree in old frat or in a parking lot and do nothing. I made the decision to work here because I can do exactly what I want and I am ok with that. Trust me, I dont want to be FHP at all. But at the same time, Im not going to sit around and claim to be a campus cop protecting the university and sit in my car all day long. And yes, if the time comes and AB is fired and we go back to opening doors and doing all that crap, I will re-evaluate my job. But for now, I can do my traffic, make my arrests, walk around, answer my calls and do pretty much whatever I want, and I am all in for that.

I have no problem if an officer doesnt want to go out in the moat. But at least be proactive on campus. Thats my main issue. The people *****ing and moaning about all the traffic and being off campus are the same ones not doing a damn thing on campus. So, to put it bluntly, just work. I dont care where, on or off campus, but do something besides sit in your car, drive around some parking lots and walk around for five minutes once a shift. You wanna stay on campus, fine, but get out there, do some traffic, walk around, get on the golf cart, walk the dorms, walk the MSC, and do something.

09-27-2012, 11:37 PM
What an azzhole.

09-28-2012, 12:27 AM
Anyone that has taken any Criminal Justice classes knows the difference between proactive and reactive police work. It has always been split down the middle of what the police are for. The good thing about the job on this campus, is you can be either one. Foot patrol is about being seen, not really about interacting with people. I don't know too many cops while they are in uniform and working, want to be the happy friendly cop that goes around on their foot patrol beats and shaking hands and saying Hi to everyone. There are some that enjoy doing that, and they are usually the ones that don't care for the proactive police work. They are usually put in those positions on a Dept. to do that, be officer friendly. The fact is, most people do not like cops and only want them there when they need them...and I shouldn't have to go in to detail to explain this. One of the best things about being a Campus cop, is you can do either one here. Don't knock the one that doesn't like to do what you think they should be doing. They try to make police happy and friendly, but the fact is for any officer that has ever worked the job anywhere, while working in uniform on patrol, is that....everyone is an arsehole until proven other wise. It's all about the job and officer safety.

09-28-2012, 02:30 AM
Anyone that has taken any Criminal Justice classes knows the difference between proactive and reactive police work. It has always been split down the middle of what the police are for. The good thing about the job on this campus, is you can be either one. Foot patrol is about being seen, not really about interacting with people. I don't know too many cops while they are in uniform and working, want to be the happy friendly cop that goes around on their foot patrol beats and shaking hands and saying Hi to everyone. There are some that enjoy doing that, and they are usually the ones that don't care for the proactive police work. They are usually put in those positions on a Dept. to do that, be officer friendly. The fact is, most people do not like cops and only want them there when they need them...and I shouldn't have to go in to detail to explain this. One of the best things about being a Campus cop, is you can do either one here. Don't knock the one that doesn't like to do what you think they should be doing. They try to make police happy and friendly, but the fact is for any officer that has ever worked the job anywhere, while working in uniform on patrol, is that....everyone is an arsehole until proven other wise. It's all about the job and officer safety.

What????? I think the point is that the foot patrol guys dont really do foot patrols except once a shift, maybe. Thats not being very visible. I too could care less about being friendly but if you are going to make the argument for the campus cop, they do need to be proactive in their specific campus cop duties, i.e. walking more, being more visible, etc. Its great to have a balance of both, but i do agree. It seems the "campus cops" dont do a whole lot outside their cars and parking lots S15's. But hey, whatever works.

09-28-2012, 03:34 AM
You are a campus cop and you carry a big set of keys, like it or not not. If the AB wasn't there to do the BS stuff, you would be opening up doors and collecting all kinds of found turned in property, and jump starting cars. I would love to hear your *****ing then...You live in a fantasy world friend. You may not be happy with being a campus cop, but that's what you were hired to do. Get over it, you are here and you are living the dream. You are probably trying to move on like most taking this job, but thats what you were hired for. Some here enjoy being a campus cop. If AB wasn't here you would be on patrolling on a golf cart. It's all about being a campus cop and carrying a big set of keys, if you don't like it, get out. You can go to the bigger agency, if you can get hired, which you probably can't.

09-28-2012, 03:51 PM
You are a campus cop and you carry a big set of keys, like it or not not. If the AB wasn't there to do the BS stuff, you would be opening up doors and collecting all kinds of found turned in property, and jump starting cars. I would love to hear your *****ing then...You live in a fantasy world friend. You may not be happy with being a campus cop, but that's what you were hired to do. Get over it, you are here and you are living the dream. You are probably trying to move on like most taking this job, but thats what you were hired for. Some here enjoy being a campus cop. If AB wasn't here you would be on patrolling on a golf cart. It's all about being a campus cop and carrying a big set of keys, if you don't like it, get out. You can go to the bigger agency, if you can get hired, which you probably can't.

I'm not living in any fantasy. You are missing the point. Ab is here and does those things so I don't have to. And again I never once said I don't enjoy my job. I actually said I really enjoy the fact I can do whatever I want. The whole point is stop making excuses for being lazy by hiding beside the campus cop title. The fact is ab is here so we can be police. You keep saying and making excuses that if ab wasn't here or this or that. But They are here and I love it. I love being able to decide What I want to do every shift and I don't want to leave here but I refuse to hide behind What ifs and the lazy campus cop mentality. T's a choice

09-28-2012, 07:40 PM
Most of us look at you as just a hyper little puppy and silently laugh a little bit.

09-28-2012, 09:38 PM
Most of us look at you as just a hyper little puppy and silently laugh a little bit.

And we look at you like a spayed little *****. Dog terms right?? Haha. But no really, you are. Get off your fat arse and do some work. Oh wait, I forgot, youre a campus cop so that gives you the excuse and right to be a lazy ass. So please go right ahead and knock out them S15's in parking lot of your choice. Public safety at its finest.

09-29-2012, 01:15 AM
I want to get paid as much as possible and get as many benefits as possible, the public taxpayer can shut up and pay. I want all I can squeeze out of the government. I want to do as little as possible in exchange for this. I am a hero.

09-29-2012, 03:45 PM
Most of us look at you as just a hyper little puppy and silently laugh a little bit.

And we look at you like a spayed little *****. Dog terms right?? Haha. But no really, you are. Get off your fat arse and do some work. Oh wait, I forgot, youre a campus cop so that gives you the excuse and right to be a lazy ass. So please go right ahead and knock out them S15's in parking lot of your choice. Public safety at its finest.

HA HA HA nobody does anything around here but you. Keep living the dream

10-09-2012, 01:00 AM
Hide yo kids, you ipads, you bikes, an you gerlfriends! they rapen and stealen everthing on campus! I said good lordy! what's goin on around this campus!

10-09-2012, 02:36 AM
RAPES??????? We don't have time to deal with the RAPES and the property crimes that are now going through the roof. Just get out there and get those crosswalk violators and off campus traffic stats you lazy bums!

Let's also make sure that we have every single available officer on overtime to make sure our Sundome Attendees have a quick drive home.

Where is the common sense here?

10-09-2012, 03:10 AM
RAPES??????? We don't have time to deal with the RAPES and the property crimes that are now going through the roof. Just get out there and get those crosswalk violators and off campus traffic stats you lazy bums!

Let's also make sure that we have every single available officer on overtime to make sure our Sundome Attendees have a quick drive home.

Where is the common sense here?

There is no common sense, it has all gone to the way side from what I have heard. I have driven drove down Fowler on my way home now twice, and have seen USF patrol units set up along Fowler Ave. along with other agency units, all set up off the roadway with emergency lights going during 5:00 rush hour traffic time. I called into the dispatch to see what was going on, and they told me that the units were there for a Sundome event/concert that was scheduled for that night. It is shear ridiculousness. What has the agency gone to since I have left the PD...? Where is the Administration leadership in all of this? Something is not right.

10-09-2012, 04:07 AM
The Chief has taken control and promoted the most qualified of leaders into his command staff and they are making the best decisions money can buy based on their years of experience sitting behind desks or in a patrol car years ago hoping nothing ever happened. Each one of his appointments was in his best interest. Everything makes so much sense. You just have to be here, on the inside of the PD, to understand it.

10-09-2012, 09:11 PM
The Chief has taken control and promoted the most qualified of leaders into his command staff and they are making the best decisions money can buy based on their years of experience sitting behind desks or in a patrol car years ago hoping nothing ever happened. Each one of his appointments was in his best interest. Everything makes so much sense. You just have to be here, on the inside of the PD, to understand it.

LOL, WELL SAID !! Command staff are a joke and completely incompetent. The last two command staff promotions put people in those positions that have done nothing their whole career and it shows. Want to have a good laugh? Let's talk about TRT and all the training they do !! Hey training Sgt, qualify in the rifle yet? Or is it still on the ground whe you last threw it? Who are the leaders in this agency ? When will they emerge and actually run this place?

10-09-2012, 11:59 PM
No leaders amongst all of these posters who hide behind their keyboards.

10-10-2012, 12:02 AM
shut up

10-10-2012, 01:00 AM
Just make sure your traffic numbers are up

10-10-2012, 02:46 AM
No leaders amongst all of these posters who hide behind their keyboards.
I think you’d be very surprised who post on this site. If all you have to say is what you said then I’d take a guess and say you are one of the single digits LEO numbers at the PD. Pretty much everyone with a number higher than 14 can see what’s really going on but has no authority to change anything and their leadership abilities (those that have that ability) are squashed by those unable to accept criticism.

10-20-2012, 11:33 PM
No leaders amongst all of these posters who hide behind their keyboards.
I think you’d be very surprised who post on this site. If all you have to say is what you said then I’d take a guess and say you are one of the single digits LEO numbers at the PD. Pretty much everyone with a number higher than 14 can see what’s really going on but has no authority to change anything and their leadership abilities (those that have that ability) are squashed by those unable to accept criticism.
Maybe, but change takes time. Things are better here than they were ten or fifteen years ago. No doubt about that!