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Lets see where can we really cut since the places where the work is actually done to come up with the activity numbers to prove our worth is already at skeleton shifts already. Here's some ideas where funds have been wasted.
Col Liford has a salary of 111,551.70.
Lt Col Jerry Bryan salary jumped from 90,022.40 as Major, to 99,024.64 now as LtC. (Heck of a raise when your officers have gone with none)
Major Mark Haddocks salary by just changing from training Major to Uniformed Major went from 80,501.98 to now 88,552.10.(Another great one when your officers have gone with none)
Adm Asst II Whitney Shiver had a salary jump from 39,510.12 to now 43,461.08. (A secretary making more than a 15-20 year officer) (Another raise our officers didn't receive)
Adm Asst I Amy Beville makes a whopper salary of 30,338.06. (Whats wrong with this picture) Very much sorry your getting the shaft in all these favors)
Major Harold Barry has a salary of 79,783.08.
Major Timothy Rutherford has a salary of 67,990.52.
Capt Dewayne Nash has a salary of 57,213.52.
Lt David Rigdon kept his salary of 55,592.42 even after taking on training.
Capt Ben Burns has a salary of 53,474.72
Capt Shawn Hingson has a salary of 53,474.72.
Capt James Wiggins has a salary of 53,474.72.
LT Eddie Edwards Has a salary of 67,247.70.
LT James Armstrong has a salary of 55,078.40.
Lt John Boatwright has a salary of 56,127.24.
Lt William Forde has a salary of 50,538.08.
Lt Mark Burke has a salary of 44,487.82.
Total salary for 17 positions? $1,067,411. Rounded each just as the IRS.
At least 6 of these being SES positions are also getting for free, Health Insurance, Disability Insurance and god only knows what else FREE. Everything the working officers have to pay for more or less they are getting free.
Want to cut something? Cut 15-20% of these salaries and charge each for all insurance. I'll forward this for sure to my State Representative while in session. Heck Putman will be the new commissioner, may as well send it to he as well.
Damn, if these numbers are true and we start getting cuts in our paychecks, special programs, loss of positions, this dept. is doomed.
The posted are the true salaries. Here's the link to any and all. From the smallest of us peas to the rotten nuts at the top.
http://www2.tbo.com/static/news-special ... -salaries/ (http://www2.tbo.com/static/news-special-reports-data-bay/tbo-special-reports-database-hillsborough-salaries/)
http://www2.tbo.com/static/news-special ... -salaries/ (http://www2.tbo.com/static/news-special-reports-data-bay/tbo-special-reports-database-hillsborough-salaries/)
This will take you to the salary search.
http://www2.tbo.com/static/news-special-reports-data-bay/tbo-special-reports-database-hillsborough-salaries/?appSession=889227503938267
if you have ever dealt with anyone in tallahassee, youll know that the administrative assistant's do most the work. this is nothing that should be cut. work will not get done unless the administrative assistant is there. my two cents
They deserve the money, they work so hard to help us keep our jobs and agency. Sounds like the capitol is tearing them down. The budget woman in Tally got a big raise to Linda Harless and look what the computer person Pati makes. This is awful just terrible. There is probably a bunch more we dont no about.
We were here before the current good ole boys. The problem with the salary of the adm secs is that the distance which is very large. And no I'm not kin to Amy Beville but she has always kept us up and is always very busy in her job. Most of the time she is the only one that actually stays at the office because she has so much to keep up. Its shameful to be paying shiver so much more. We don't need to get rid of any positions but the salaries in Tallahassee need to be adjusted downward. The continuance of our pay staying the same for too many years should be reflected in the hdqts salaries. Not double and triple any one officers salary. We got some sweet chargers but that don't pay any of our bills.
Amy Beville is a very hard worker who has done so much hard work. Are brass is overpaid and Mrs Shiver sure gets some goodies for working for LC Bryan. And David Rigdon had the decensy to not take a raise while the rest of the brass hogs keep giving each other money. A big change needs to go on up there.
Here's an idea, why not stop worrying about what everyone else makes. Just a suggestion.
Amy is a hard worker, I agree. I wonder how many MILLIONS have been spent on people first and can't credit our leave correctly. Thank you Amy for keeping our leave balanced so we don't get robbed of it! Your our people first.
Isn't it strange that it took a major to run the training section at over $80.000.00 but when moved to uniform he kept his major rank and received a $8000.00 raise. Now that position over the training section turned into a LT. Lt Rigdon stayed his salary with no raise. Now where talking! The current administration is proving with out a doubt mismanagement of funds by over paying salaries for only certain people.
Here's an idea, why not stop worrying about what everyone else makes. Just a suggestion.
Here's an idea, why not stop worrying about what everyone else is worrying about? Just a suggestion. You may now return to sucking up to whoever it is you are trying to suck up to.
Yes typo. Rigdon is captain with his Lt pay! This is not worrying about nothing. This shows all that are led here or receives this info exactly whats been going on with funds the last couple years in ag-law. I myself am tired of our officers getting nothing to provide a decent way of life for our families. Yes men need to learn to say no to them. All that will continue is our officers getting the stick without butter.
Hooray to Rigdon he is the only one worth the money and the admin assts at least they work. What does Whitney and Alecia do. And how about Judith Ivester she is useless and stinks. The star redhead and Bryan and Johnson and Haddock do nothing. I hope somebody can see the mismanagement here. Amy Beville does a great job for us so does some of the other supervisors that care. What a mess of a Col we have.
Well so much for our leaders saying they would take care of us before themselves. Remember the Col and Bryan saying no one gets a raise until we did. Remember all the big speeches by Bryan how to lead from the top down, well he better look up because he is full of it. Now we break up K-9 that was the Cols big idea and sell Vacis. This is wrong, look at the salaries of the brass and civilians ridiculous.
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Bist, Alecia Florida Administrative Assistant Ii - Ses Tallahassee 8/24/98 $44,719.48 $1,719.98 As of 3/2009
Ridiculous! $44,719.48
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Ivester, Judith Florida Senior Management Analyst I - Ses DACS - Agriculture & Csmr Svc 3/21/89 $43,595.76 As of 10/2009
Come on!
I don't see them out here in the middle of nowhere, so they must do nothing! *whine, whimper*.
Someone higher rank than me makes more than me, they must do nothing! *whine, whimper".
Forget the agency leadership, I know more than everyone and I didn't get what I think the agency needs! *wine, whimper".
You come to work, you don't have to take calls, you get high risk retirement for a job that poses some of the lowest danger in the law enforcement spectrum, you can work as hard or as little as you like.
You have a vest, a uniform, a firearm, handcuffs, and a radio. If you didn't purchase these yourself, some of those people you're whining about helped you get them.
Those people you don't see are working hard at the Capitol every day to ensure that you still have a job. They're processing information to ensure you get paid, and that you have insurance coverage, and all the little personnel BS is taken care of.
Just because they dont work at YOUR station, don't think they do nothing. Of course, if you knew this, you probably wouldn't be working at a station anyways, you'd be in charge somewhere!
If you spent half the time doing your own job as you did worrying and whining about everyone else's, the world would be a better place.
Those AA's and SMA's can at least write and read, keep you safe from People First and all the other BS that the brass come up with. The Col. is a lazy worthless stump, Bryan follows behind him as usual with his best skill, a$$ kissing. Johnson smokes outside all day and tries to come up with his ideas to piss everyone off. Dover has a huge salary and Harless does his work while employees make fun of how stupid and lazy he is. What a jackpot Haddock hit, LEI II at Fire Marshal with a K-9 that could read and write his reports for him to Bureau Chief. What a country!
I don't see them out here in the middle of nowhere, so they must do nothing! *whine, whimper*.
Someone higher rank than me makes more than me, they must do nothing! *whine, whimper".
Forget the agency leadership, I know more than everyone and I didn't get what I think the agency needs! *wine, whimper".
You come to work, you don't have to take calls, you get high risk retirement for a job that poses some of the lowest danger in the law enforcement spectrum, you can work as hard or as little as you like.
You have a vest, a uniform, a firearm, handcuffs, and a radio. If you didn't purchase these yourself, some of those people you're whining about helped you get them.
Those people you don't see are working hard at the Capitol every day to ensure that you still have a job. They're processing information to ensure you get paid, and that you have insurance coverage, and all the little personnel BS is taken care of.
Just because they dont work at YOUR station, don't think they do nothing. Of course, if you knew this, you probably wouldn't be working at a station anyways, you'd be in charge somewhere!
If you spent half the time doing your own job as you did worrying and whining about everyone else's, the world would be a better place.
Now get back to work in Tallahassee! Spoken just like an over paid administrative assistant II over paid employee! Has to be or your just kidding yourself!
Dover, Walter Florida Program Planning Coordinator-Dacs Tallahassee 3/1/71 $74,970.74 $2,883.49 As of 3/2009
Johnson, Allan Florida Chief Of Investigative Services-Dacs Tallahassee 12/2/85 $84,563.18 $3,252.43 As of 3/2009
Degroff-Berry, Cheryl Florida Chief Of Administrative Services-Dacs Tallahassee 11/3/03 $81,839.42 $3,147.67 As of 3/2009
What about Cuz' who makes $50thou+ coming out early for no reason, staying out late for no reason and getting over time every pay period, plus sucking up every rest area he can. He is having his officers who have no intention of working the rest areas put in for them and then give them to him. That is dishonest and screws the rest of us.
Looks like the brass are turning on each other like junk yard dogs. And we have to depend on these overpaid bunch of office squirrels to lead us.
Misfit, Who's cuz? I 'll look it up and post for you. Sorry I have to ask but have no idea.
Cuz's info:
Employer Florida
Name Hutchins, Marty
Title Law Enforcement Sergeant
Hire date 5/16/1984
Gender M
Race* White
Annual salary $53,253.72
Base rate** $2,048.22
Current As of 3/2009
Okay, so let’s recap the last several discussion posts:
1. It is so obvious that majority of the people on here are the disgruntled hacks that do as little as possible to get by.
2. Each post attacks a specfic area k-9, sgts, command staff, admin assistants etc.
But let’s really talk about the problem:
Yes there could be some changes in the agency. I am not saying this place is perfect. What floors me is that Uniform thinks that they do such a good job. Uniformed are so uniformed thinking they know about what the k9s, VACIS, Sgt's, command staff do and go into attack mode but if there was a position open, you would secretly be the first to apply. Why, because there is more money involved and you do get a take home car. And for those whose who will post and say something stupid like, "I wouldn’t apply" is one of two things:
A liar or just that....stupid.
The fact of the matter is what does uniform really do?
This is where the disgruntled hacks get to say......"We are the fist line of defense in protecting Florida’s agriculture" Sure, keep telling yourselves that. On numerous occasions myself, a family member or friend have driven through an Ag station and are met with "go head", a waving hand through the window or several officers standing around a grill....cause you know Saturdays are “cooking days”. See I have been there I know what you do and decided to move on. Why, because I could. Fact of the matter is you could train a chimp to do what you do. Uniform has it good, you get to act like a LEO, get the pay of a LEO and the 3% retirement of a LEO but then proudly boast (see multiple previous discussion threads) that “ You have it made” and are not interested in doing law enforcement. Send that to your legislator
Hate to beat a dead horse or assume that majority of the old ROAD GUARD would check, but there are other jobs out there. You ***** because you are stuck for the following reasons:
1. I ain’t, emphasis on “ain”t” leavin (insert county) Hamilton, Suwannee, Columbia because this is Gods country and daddy gave me land.
2. Would never make it any place else or realize if you could that the privileges that you have now (requesting days off the day before you need it, or abusing sick leave) would get you fired anyplace else.
The reason this place sucks so bad is because of the constant whining. NEWS FLASH it has always been that way and will continue to be that way until TR, DN, SH, JW are gone. Attacking other officer is not the way to get it done.
And for those who decided to post others pay I did a little research myself regarding TBO.com
JN
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 12/15/80 $48,650.16 As of 3/2009
MD
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 10/17/79 $50,244.22 As of 3/2009
RG
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 6/9/86 $41,767.18 $1,606.43 As of 3/2009
AN
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 10/25/85 $43,351.36 $1,667.36 As of 3/2009
AS
Florida Law Enforcement Officer Macclenny 12/10/79 $48,650.16 $1,871.16 As of 3/2009
I am not by any means saying that the guys above are the ones complaining but why not knock them down. I mean we have heard how sorry the Sgts, k-9, admin staff and command staff are. What about the side stations? Why not cut their pay? Why? BECAUSE THEY EARNED IT and were here when there was a step pay plan!
So for all the Socialists / Marxists, who want to redistribute wealth……suck on the above for a while.
For those in (insert county) Hamilton, Suwannee, Columbia the two big words are pronounced SO-SHALL-IST and MARKS-IST.
Why pick on Hamilton, Suwannee, Columbia because this is where this shite is coming from.
Boy, "Enough" you must have got canned I mean" moved on" but don't hold it against the good old boys that like where they live and that their daddy gave them some land and yours didn't. If you are so much better than us why are you even on a page for "chimps" when you could be sharing your infinite wisdom with someone so much smarter than us. From the sounds of it you were one of the chimps now you are mad that you "moved on". Got to go! I have to wave someone on and the food is almost done.
They do not give raises for K9 and VACIS anymore. So why take the added responsibility without the added pay? The only prestige involved with either position is in one's own mind. So there is really no good reason to want one of those positions unless you are already stuck on the interstate with no way to a side station in the near future. Since you "moved on" how about moving on, you have no dog in this fight and are only stooping to our level by posting here and of course you know that you are better than us so please do not continue to belittle yourself by speaking to us.
ENOUGH your a bit of topic. The officers you have posted have made this job a life so to retire, your post is mute! The point here is our command consistently have given their 15-20 SES positions raises by playing games with funds during a time this state is cutting everyone's budget and axing positions. When you can not give a raise to the working blue collar individual but then in turn switch command positions around and give 8 to 9 thousand dollar raises to them, I as well as a lot of folks call foul with the right as an employee being discriminated against with respect to raises. Now does the side stations do a lot, no! But most of the people you posted started this job 20-25 years ago and done the interstate thing before relaxing. The command staff plays nothing but games with yours and our families lives plain and simple. The cost of living has risen 10 times more than our current pay. If the raises can be given so effortlessly in Tallahassee, why can't we get something. No I don't have the answer!
The Wood Shed, you are right. I did go a little off course. I was not trying to demean just simply stating facts. The majority on here are always attacking other officers. We have some very competent/dedicated uniformed officers but we also have a lot of lazy ones. The lazy ones seem to be the ones *****ing, pointing fingers and then think by breaking or changing the system that that will fix the problem. We go through this ever year and its not right. We have a bunch of babies that need to be told to Shut the F@@k up and do what you were hired to do. Quit worrying about the people above them or what someone else makes and do your job. Look around HCSO, LCPD, CCSO all start lower than we do, the insurance is typically higher and the workload is higher.
Does it suck that non sworn are making more than sworn, sure. It just pisses me off that when have a large divide and thus resort to jamming a knife in the backs of fellow officers.
Is it fair that a side station officer makes more than a sgt or lt? I guess its all how you look at it?
Either way its not going to change but posting an officers name and salary and then like a dumbass stating, "I am going to send it to my Representative" is idiotic.
Enough
Just like they can give raises to these mentioned positions they can to the lowly Officers also. It is simply a budget process. They do not have to wait for the union, the senate or legislature. The catch being the budget approval process. It is all a scam and a racket. The senate and legislature will not approve a budget from our department that gives us a raise because it would cut the union out of the process and there by cutting out the political donations to members of the senate and the house from the union.
The process as it stands goes like this, officers pay dues to the union, the union uses part of these funds to operate and pay the inflated salaries of it's workers, next the union lobbies to get a raise for the whole bargaining unit, the union uses dues money paid by officers to wine and dine the politicians and contribute to the campaign funds of certain ones as "needed". If we get no raise the union says sorry but wait until next year it will be the year, oh an keep paying us, if we get a raise the union says look what we did for you, now join or pay more dues. Either way the process continues year after year.
Now if we changed the process to where each agency is responsible for their LEO raise budget process we would cut out the need for the union in getting raises which in turn would cut the dues money they receive and had available to pay to campaign funds. It would also cut out the wining and dining of the politicians by the union.
Ever notice how often the union goes along with management? Wonder why? It is because management does not take care of us and get us raises so that the union can run their racket along with the politicians in return the union goes along with management.
As the process now stands the union and the politicians have a lot to loose if the process were changed and will fight tooth and nail to keep it from being changed. Some may remember a few years ago when either FDOT or FHP got a raise through unconventional channels and got their hand SLAPPED! by the politicians. Why? Because the union and politicians had been cut out of the loop and stopped from getting what they felt was due them.
Now onto another part of budget process. When I worked at another agency one of the SES Admin Assistants in charge of payroll told me that a department gets funded for each position up to the FULL amount of the pay scale for that position and can thereby give a raise as they want to who they want. I have seen some things happen that leads me to believe that this may be true. No proof mind you but something to keep in mind. I do know for fact that they do not have to hire in at the bottom of the pay scale which again leads me to believe that the money is there if they wanted to give us a raise.
What happens when someone retires and they they hire or replace that person with someone who they pay $10-$20 thousand a year less. Where does that money go? Ask and they will start trying to confuse you with talk of rate money, reduction of budget, etc... Where do you think their raises are coming from, their bonus?
The final kicker in all of this are the bonuses handed out to upper management for keeping within budget, coming in under budget, and reducing the budget. These are no myth they are fact. So you see no one anywhere has any want or need to give us a raise. It is a scam and a racket that they are all in on in some aspect.
The good news is the brass will be gone and will have to find another scam job or nipple somewhere else. The new commissioner will fire all of the worthless overpaid lardbricks in the Rhodes building.
Okay, so let’s recap the last several discussion posts:
1. It is so obvious that majority of the people on here are the disgruntled hacks that do as little as possible to get by.
2. Each post attacks a specfic area k-9, sgts, command staff, admin assistants etc.
But let’s really talk about the problem:
Yes there could be some changes in the agency. I am not saying this place is perfect. What floors me is that Uniform thinks that they do such a good job. Uniformed are so uniformed thinking they know about what the k9s, VACIS, Sgt's, command staff do and go into attack mode but if there was a position open, you would secretly be the first to apply. Why, because there is more money involved and you do get a take home car. And for those whose who will post and say something stupid like, "I wouldn’t apply" is one of two things:
A liar or just that....stupid.
The fact of the matter is what does uniform really do?
This is where the disgruntled hacks get to say......"We are the fist line of defense in protecting Florida’s agriculture" Sure, keep telling yourselves that. On numerous occasions myself, a family member or friend have driven through an Ag station and are met with "go head", a waving hand through the window or several officers standing around a grill....cause you know Saturdays are “cooking days”. See I have been there I know what you do and decided to move on. Why, because I could. Fact of the matter is you could train a chimp to do what you do. Uniform has it good, you get to act like a LEO, get the pay of a LEO and the 3% retirement of a LEO but then proudly boast (see multiple previous discussion threads) that “ You have it made” and are not interested in doing law enforcement. Send that to your legislator
Hate to beat a dead horse or assume that majority of the old ROAD GUARD would check, but there are other jobs out there. You ***** because you are stuck for the following reasons:
1. I ain’t, emphasis on “ain”t” leavin (insert county) Hamilton, Suwannee, Columbia because this is Gods country and daddy gave me land.
2. Would never make it any place else or realize if you could that the privileges that you have now (requesting days off the day before you need it, or abusing sick leave) would get you fired anyplace else.
The reason this place sucks so bad is because of the constant whining. NEWS FLASH it has always been that way and will continue to be that way until TR, DN, SH, JW are gone. Attacking other officer is not the way to get it done.
And for those who decided to post others pay I did a little research myself regarding TBO.com
JN
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 12/15/80 $48,650.16 As of 3/2009
MD
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 10/17/79 $50,244.22 As of 3/2009
RG
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 6/9/86 $41,767.18 $1,606.43 As of 3/2009
AN
Florida Law Enforcement Officer White Springs 10/25/85 $43,351.36 $1,667.36 As of 3/2009
AS
Florida Law Enforcement Officer Macclenny 12/10/79 $48,650.16 $1,871.16 As of 3/2009
I am not by any means saying that the guys above are the ones complaining but why not knock them down. I mean we have heard how sorry the Sgts, k-9, admin staff and command staff are. What about the side stations? Why not cut their pay? Why? BECAUSE THEY EARNED IT and were here when there was a step pay plan!
So for all the Socialists / Marxists, who want to redistribute wealth……suck on the above for a while.
For those in (insert county) Hamilton, Suwannee, Columbia the two big words are pronounced SO-SHALL-IST and MARKS-IST.
Why pick on Hamilton, Suwanee, Columbia because this is where this shite is coming from.
Where in the hell are you coming up with this socialist/Marxist bull crap. im not looking to take any money from someone else's pocket to even my salary with theirs, i would simply like to have a 2%, maybe more cost of living raise every year. Maybe were disgruntled because every year were told they don't have enough money for raises, but miraculously everyone in Tally makes more $$ every year.
If the budget needs to be cut down further, cutting programs like the K-9's, vacis, and take=home vehicles to keep within the budget need to be discussed way before lay-offs, salary reductions, and mandatory unpaid days off.
I'm not attacking k-9's, vacis or other perks but if budget cuts are needed, those programs should be one of the first things to go. They (K-9's/Vacis) are by no means more valuable/product-able on the ramp then the chimp.
The good news is the brass will be gone and will have to find another scam job or nipple somewhere else. The new commissioner will fire all of the worthless overpaid lardbricks in the Rhodes building.
Brother I will agree with that statement. They are running scared because they can't let the roots grow any longer. They know they are being watched closely. And to whom will still be her when they are gone along with the new commissioner? Terry Rhodes! Will be doing everything for Putman and scooping up the white wash and replacing them. They for sure know the days are numbered.
It sounds like they are turning on each other up here in the palace. No surprise because there is no leadership there now. They are all looking out for themselves, not us. I work in the Rhodes building and have seen some awful stuff going on. The Col. hides in his office counting his days, Bryan is trying to find another job, Haddock has told everyone he is leaving because of his family moving to another state. The rest of the Chiefs are so crappy they are not worth mentioning. But you attack the AA's and other support staff instead for what they make. They are the only ones working to keep this place together, us low level ones. Dover, Jennings, Harless are just way overpaid who do nothing. Dover lets the receptionist sleep at her desk because he has no backbone and never has had. All Harless does is start trouble for everyone and is obsessed with getting a female chief fired (actually she should be fired) but thats not Harless's job. It is grim here because we have no direction or leaders here. Thank God for David Rigdon, he and Justin are hard workers. Rigdon should be the Colonel. The truth is the truth, you see we worker bees as LC Bryan calls us don't miss anything. The capitol is just waiting to pounce on us and deystroy us, but the brass are fighting their own egos instead of doing their jobs, so sad.
What about cutting the overtime the Sgt. CUZ is getting??????? Just a thought
What about cutting the overtime the Sgt. CUZ is getting??????? Just a thought
How much overtime is he getting? Is it overtime a officer wasn't given the option to take? Just questions. We all need to share information so we know just how much officers are not getting. Overtime means a lot to us all to make ends meet with no kinda of raise in too many years.
It sounds like they are turning on each other up here in the palace. No surprise because there is no leadership there now. They are all looking out for themselves, not us. I work in the Rhodes building and have seen some awful stuff going on. The Col. hides in his office counting his days, Bryan is trying to find another job, Haddock has told everyone he is leaving because of his family moving to another state. The rest of the Chiefs are so crappy they are not worth mentioning. But you attack the AA's and other support staff instead for what they make. They are the only ones working to keep this place together, us low level ones. Dover, Jennings, Harless are just way overpaid who do nothing. Dover lets the receptionist sleep at her desk because he has no backbone and never has had. All Harless does is start trouble for everyone and is obsessed with getting a female chief fired (actually she should be fired) but thats not Harless's job. It is grim here because we have no direction or leaders here. Thank God for David Rigdon, he and Justin are hard workers. Rigdon should be the Colonel. The truth is the truth, you see we worker bees as LC Bryan calls us don't miss anything. The capitol is just waiting to pounce on us and deystroy us, but the brass are fighting their own egos instead of doing their jobs, so sad.
couldn't be said any better...
What about cutting the overtime the Sgt. CUZ is getting??????? Just a thought
How much overtime is he getting? Is it overtime a officer wasn't given the option to take? Just questions. We all need to share information so we know just how much officers are not getting. Overtime means a lot to us all to make ends meet with no kinda of raise in too many years.
He just stays over and comes out early for no reason other than to get overtime and brown nose the Lt and Cpt. He does take rest areas that officers never get the option to take, and him making $53,000 a year.
It sounds like they are turning on each other up here in the palace. No surprise because there is no leadership there now. They are all looking out for themselves, not us. I work in the Rhodes building and have seen some awful stuff going on. The Col. hides in his office counting his days, Bryan is trying to find another job, Haddock has told everyone he is leaving because of his family moving to another state. The rest of the Chiefs are so crappy they are not worth mentioning. But you attack the AA's and other support staff instead for what they make. They are the only ones working to keep this place together, us low level ones. Dover, Jennings, Harless are just way overpaid who do nothing. Dover lets the receptionist sleep at her desk because he has no backbone and never has had. All Harless does is start trouble for everyone and is obsessed with getting a female chief fired (actually she should be fired) but thats not Harless's job. It is grim here because we have no direction or leaders here. Thank God for David Rigdon, he and Justin are hard workers. Rigdon should be the Colonel. The truth is the truth, you see we worker bees as LC Bryan calls us don't miss anything. The capitol is just waiting to pounce on us and deystroy us, but the brass are fighting their own egos instead of doing their jobs, so sad.
Not trying to knock on Rigdon, but even @ in-service it seems that Carl and Keith run the show and he is clueless. I am not complaining as I was really hoping to see Carl take over training in the first place. Him and Keith do an AWESOME job.
Nice post Carl, but don't sell yourself anymore.
Not Carl. He does not have to sell himself though, for the most part his performance speaks for it's self. At least he is not @ home painting OALE cars in his shed/shack and then taking it all off as comp time. Isn't that kind of stuff supposed to be put through the State Bid System. Bet everybody did not know that we have two mechanics on staff and that one is a Lt. Talk about screwing the system and poor old Ed.
Hey, if you have something like that and it is true, why havent you gone to a supervisor or the IG
Hey, if you have something like that and it is true, why havent you gone to a supervisor or the IG
If you are making reference to th car painting LT, who do you think is approving him to do this? His supervisor DN and his supervisor TR. The IG will just sweep it under the rug. They are spending department time and money to fix what is a Ford Motor Company recall. Even got a car donated from a county agency.
towmaters-
dont forget this is rigdons first inservice... cut him some slack. we all know keith and carl are training pros by now and they should be.
Have yall ever heard of anything being "fair". The fair is where you go to ride rides, eat cotton candy and walk around in monkey $--t. It aint never came here and won't never come here.
I work in Tallahassee, just a little AA. I have been here a very long time, longer than most of the other people here. I can tell you that I have never seen the bad behavior and backstabbing like what is happening now. I am so disapointed in the lack of control or leadership that has been lacking from our so called commanders. I am just hoping to make my time and survive this group of idiots gone wild. There is no control here.
Remember the stories of the Clintons taking things when they left the White House??? That is what is going on here in Tally. They know that they are on their way out so they are trying to take anything that is not nailed down. Who ever comes in with the new Commish will have nothing.
I work in Tallahassee, just a little AA. I have been here a very long time, longer than most of the other people here. I can tell you that I have never seen the bad behavior and backstabbing like what is happening now. I am so disapointed in the lack of control or leadership that has been lacking from our so called commanders. I am just hoping to make my time and survive this group of idiots gone wild. There is no control here.
Hold on because I really believe it will get worse in the office. Big buddy Baker dropped out of the race and they know for sure, they are gone and I hope the door hits them square in the kister! You can only go so far pushing people as they are now. Treat people like you want to be treated or suffer later is very true.
This bill wanting to change our retirement to 2% is probably arse master Haddocks idea! They all have the time covered so why should they care what happens after screwing everything up.
Terry Rhodes is starting her genocide on law enforcement and it has only just begun. She will run the table in OALE and Salerio and his buddys. With OALE falling down around itself and no leader at the front just say buh bye. She is big on loyalty and OALE treated her wrong.
I work in Tallahassee, just a little AA. I have been here a very long time, longer than most of the other people here. I can tell you that I have never seen the bad behavior and backstabbing like what is happening now. I am so disapointed in the lack of control or leadership that has been lacking from our so called commanders. I am just hoping to make my time and survive this group of idiots gone wild. There is no control here.
Hold on because I really believe it will get worse in the office. Big buddy Baker dropped out of the race and they know for sure, they are gone and I hope the door hits them square in the kister! You can only go so far pushing people as they are now. Treat people like you want to be treated or suffer later is very true.
This bill wanting to change our retirement to 2% is probably arse master Haddocks idea! They all have the time covered so why should they care what happens after screwing everything up.
What bill dropping retirement to 2%????? You need to post a link about that!
Terry Rhodes is starting her genocide on law enforcement and it has only just begun. She will run the table in OALE and Salerio and his buddys. With OALE falling down around itself and no leader at the front just say buh bye. She is big on loyalty and OALE treated her wrong.
She was treated like what she is, a B. SUPER B.
Why they don't give a crap! Unknown if it will happen but they are cutting and trying to save every penny we are paid plus some. This state is and has been the biggest joke along with California. Here are the three pension bills that have been filed. HB 1543 by Zapata, HB 1319 by Grady, and SB 1902 by Bennett. It's still a very fluid environment in bill drafting...so we expect that there might be more of them that will come out. Guess we will find out when the session is almost over. Strong armed robbery at its worst! This would give you 70% max and guaranteed 30 years, maybe more.
OPPAGA Report Recommends FRS Class Restructure to Cut Costs
The FRS may measure well against other states in the southeast, but a
number of Legislators are still very concerned with costs of Florida’s system. The
Office of Program Policy Analysis and Government Accountability (OPPAGA) is
the research arm of the Florida Legislature and this year OPPAGA was tasked to
analyze the class structure of the FRS with emphasis on ways to reduce costs. If
the presentation discussed in the last article offered everyone some comfort, this
report may turn your stomach in knots.
The OPPAGA report gave a historical view of how the FRS got to the point
it is at today. It compared Florida’s benefit structure and class structure to other
states and the federal government. Then it got to the point of the analysis, how
can the Legislature restructure the classes to cut costs. Our focus will center on
the topic of class restructuring.
OPPAGA provided the Legislature with four restructuring options:
Option 1) Consolidate the classes based on the employees ability to work a 30 year career;
Option 2) Limit Special Risk to Law Enforcement, Firefighters, and Correctional Officers;
Option 3) Reduce accrual rates for employees;
Option 4) Require employee contributions.
Since our membership is composed of Special Risk Class Members, the following
summaries will demonstrate how each option would affect the Special Risk Class.
Option 1) The recommendation is to make the FRS a two class system by
requiring everyone who is expected to work a 30 year career a member of the
Regular Class; and everyone who by the nature of their work may become a
danger to the public, themselves, and their coworkers after 25 years of service, a
member of Special Risk. Of note within this recommendation is that some
current members of Special Risk may be required to work 30 years, which would
move them into the Regular Class. Another glaring change to class structure in
this option is the accrual rate for Special Risk would drop down to 2% from the
current 3%. So the new calculating formula would be a general 25 yrs x 2%,
equaling 50% of your best five years of salary (a 25% REDUCTION to your
current benefit).
Option 2) The recommendation is to purge the Special Risk Class
membership back down to the original membership employees who are career
Law Enforcement Officers, Firefighters, or Correctional Officers. Obviously, if
you are not classified, even loosely, into one of these three categories, the
recommendation is to move you into Regular Class. For the remaining members,
the accrual rate would remain at 3% with 25 years of service. A major concern
would be the potential that Correctional Probation Officers would not be included
in Special Risk.
Option 3) The recommendation is to reduce Special Risk from a 3%
accrual per year of service to a 2% accrual per year. As discussed in Option 1), the
new calculating formula would be a general 25 yrs x 2%, equaling 50% of your
best five years of salary (a 25% REDUCTION to your current benefit). This
option does not include a purge to Special Risk, but it would reduce all other
classes’ accrual rates to the Regular Class rate of 1.6% which is essentially a
purge.
Option 4) The recommendation is to require all employees to contribute to
the pension like the original FRS of 1970. This option would not purge classes or
reduce benefits, but the employee contribution would essentially operate like a
pay reduction.
Thanks for the info WoodShed!
It appears Haddock either lied to the officer that asked about this or was just ignorant of it.
I will research a little further when I have more time and computer access. It would seem though that there would have to either be a cut off date, a "grandfather" clause or something in this. I notice they only seem to be talking about pension not the investment plan. The investment plan gets more than 3% monthly, it is like 20% deposited into my account. I would seem by reading the bill summaries that they are only going after the pension plan, if this is what is happening GET OUT FOLKS. Wonder if this will change the politicians plan? If I am not mistaken they get 3%.
How is Haddock to blame here?. You better look at the administration in Tallahassee, no command staff and they are jumping ship like rats. Liford well what more can be said, the new LC Bryan same as he was as a chief no idea what he is doing, accreditation who cares. Johnson is well who knows Johnson and Haddock is just counting his days to leave, at least thats what he has said to everyone who will listen. The support staff in Tallahassee is grossley overpaid for nothing, and who will get cut?, well the officers again.
Just a thought. Depends on the way the retirement is cut. If it goes to 2%, then the amount contributed to the investment fund will also drop hurting both.
Haddock is blamed because he is standing at in service classes and telling folks that you will not be hurt in the cuts. Plain down liar! He has his and don't care.
You are telling the truth, he just needs to STFU.
Lawmakers look at savings possible by slashing state worker benefits
By Bill Cotterell
Florida Capital Bureau
Florida taxpayers could save hundreds of millions by severely cutting pension and insurance benefits for state employees, the head of the Legislature's fiscal watchdog agency told House and Senate members Monday.
Taking another run at a pay cut — vetoed by Gov. Charlie Crist last year — or implementing furloughs for state workers were also among options aired in the first of what will undoubtedly be many discussions of personnel costs during the 2010 legislative session. Lawmakers convened a week ago, facing revenue shortages projected as high as $3.2 billion.
Gary Vanlandingham, director of the Office of Program Policy Analysis and Government Accountability, said he was not recommending any of the bitter solutions he outlined to the Joint Legislative Auditing Committee. The panel called him to its first meeting for a briefing on ways of changing the Florida Retirement System, personnel policies, insurance plans and other employment costs.
"Many states are doing furloughs," Vanlandingham said. He said cutting salaries and leave allowances would also lower operating costs, but would have an impact on services.
Bills have already been introduced to make a 5 percent pay cut for employees making more than $65,000 a year and to require all state workers pay for health insurance. Vanlandingham said eliminating the "banking" of sick leave and vacation time — a "use it or lose it" policy — would save money but could backfire on efficiency.
"If you have a 'use it or lose it' situation, a lot of people will tend to bank their sick leave throughout the year and then most people will be off the last couple weeks of the year, if they haven't gotten sick or haven't taken their vacations yet," he said. "So it's going to be tough to get things done in the last couple weeks of the year."
Eliminating stockpiles of vacation and sick leave would also hurt employees who are stricken by long, serious illnesses, he said.
"These are all bad ideas," said Rep. Dwayne Taylor, D-Daytona Beach. He noted that pruning some benefits would require renegotiation of some labor contracts.
Matt Puckett, deputy director of the Police Benevolent Association, said after Vanlandingham's presentation that correctional, police and probation offers will fight any bill or budget item to reduce the "special risk" pension credit from 3 percent for each year's service to 2 percent of average salary for each year.
"This is not something our members are going to want to hear, especially since employees haven't had a general pay raise for four years," said Puckett.
Vanlandingham said taxpayers could save $71.4 million by eliminating the Deferred Retirement Option Program, which allows employees to retire and keep on working for five years — eight, for school teachers — while their pensions earn interest toward the day they actually quit. He said restricting the special-risk retirement benefit to only cops, firefighters and prison officers — eliminating many other job classes that have been added over the years — would save $83 million.
If employees paid into their pensions, Vanlandingham said, each 1 percent contributed would generate $275 million. That wouldn't be all savings, though, because the money would belong to the employee and would be refunded to those who leave before "vesting" in the system after six years — as 70 percent of FRS employees do.
Folks need to stop all the whining about fellow officers and start worrying more about what this agency and state is trying to do to the working people. The below is outrageous and another attempt by the state to take the very last crumb that our families need to survive.
Instead of continually slashing and gouging at fellow officers and making yourself feel as if your a giant posting crap, try keeping up with whats going on this year!
TALLAHASSEE -- A proposal to allow property-insurance companies to raise homeowners rates without regulatory approval passed a first House committee Wednesday and was amended to include much of an insurance industry wish list.
Its supporters say the proposal would attract more insurance capital to the state and increase options for consumers. A less-ambitious version passed last year was vetoed by Gov. Charlie Crist, who says he's still against it.
Rep. Bill Proctor's current bill would allow companies to charge rates beyond those approved by regulators, with important exclusions. Florida's largest property insurer, state-run Citizens Property Insurance, is excluded, as are the policies private companies have taken over from Citizens. Also excluded from unregulated rate increases would be policies that don't cover wind damage.
"The question, really, in my mind remains, does this broaden consumer choice . . . (and) is it possible it might attract some additional surplus" investment in the state, Proctor said.
An entirely new version of Proctor's bill was offered to the House Insurance, Business & Financial Affairs Policy Committee, with the strike-all amendment published Tuesday. The new version eases into full rate deregulation with limits on rate increases at 5 percent in 2011, 10 percent in 2012 and 15 percent annual increases thereafter.
Insurance Consumer Advocate Sean Shaw said he understood a need to find a balance among the interests of consumers and the industry, though he said the bill goes too far.
"I think this bill is askew with that balancing act," Shaw said.
Shaw also said rate hikes could be even higher than the caps for individual policyholders if those limits apply to a statewide average.
"You might be seeing 15-, 20-, 30-percent rate increases in some areas," Shaw said.
Proctor said he'd try to address that.
"I think those are valid concerns and I think we can work on that language," Proctor said.
Republican members of the committee pounced on Shaw.
"I fear that you oppose this bill because you have a lack of faith in that free-market system," said Rep. Ritch Workman, a Melbourne Republican. "A private business will eventually learn when they have charged too much. From the consumer perspective, there are people that would like very much to spend more to get more."
Proctor's bill would also concentrate responsibility for paying back Citizens deficits on its own policyholders, up to a maximum 45 percent surcharge on top of premiums, before assessments would be charged to all private insurance consumers -- not just homeowners -- if Citizens deficits remain.
Hold your chin up. We work where we work and have the powers to do the job as long as its done correctly with the core mission kept priority!
570.073 Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, law enforcement officers.--
(1) The commissioner may create an Office of Agricultural Law Enforcement under the supervision of a senior manager exempt under s. 110.205 in the Senior Management Service. The commissioner may designate law enforcement officers, as necessary, to enforce any criminal law or conduct any criminal investigation or to enforce the provisions of any statute or any other laws of this state. Officers appointed under this section shall have the primary responsibility for enforcing laws relating to agriculture and consumer services, as outlined 1in this section, and 2have jurisdiction over violations of law which threaten the overall security and safety of this state's agriculture and consumer services. The primary responsibilities of officers appointed under this section include the enforcement of laws relating to:
(a) Domesticated animals, including livestock, poultry, aquaculture products, and other wild or domesticated animals or animal products.
(b) Farms, farm equipment, livery tack, citrus or citrus products, or horticultural products.
(c) Trespass, littering, forests, forest fires, and open burning.
(d) Damage to or theft of forest products.
(e) Enforcement of a marketing order.
(f) Protection of consumers.
(g) Civil traffic offenses as 3provided in state law.
(h) The use of alcohol or drugs which occurs on property owned, managed, or occupied by the department.
(i) Any emergency situation in which the life, limb, or property of any person is placed in immediate and serious danger.
(j) Any crime incidental to or related to paragraphs (a)-(i).
4(k) The responsibilities of the Commissioner of Agriculture.
(2) Each law enforcement officer shall meet the qualifications of law enforcement officers under s. 943.13 and shall be certified as a law enforcement officer by the Department of Law Enforcement under the provisions of chapter 943. Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and shall have the same arrest and other authority provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and shall have statewide jurisdiction. Each officer shall also have arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Such officers have full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
(3) The commissioner may also appoint part-time, reserve, or auxiliary law enforcement officers under chapter 943.
(4) All department law enforcement officers, upon certification under s. 943.1395, shall have the same right and authority to carry arms as do the sheriffs of this state.
(5) Each law enforcement officer in the state who is certified pursuant to chapter 943 has the same authority as law enforcement officers designated in this section to enforce the laws of this state as described in subsection (1).
Whats the difference in a Dept of Agriculture LEO that works the ramp and Wackenhut?
Wackenhut is just Wackenhut, Ag cops are Wackin in the hut
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