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08-11-2008, 04:22 AM
Per GO 2 it states you have to write a narritive justifying the ticket, but in the incident summary GO it states that only criminal traffic tickets need a narrative. Let me get this straight, If a SLEO writes an exp. tag, suspended license, red light runner not in conjunction w/ a resource ticket the SLEO can be reprimanded for writing the UTC? Do the GO's have mixed signals or what is it?

08-11-2008, 04:57 AM
That is just the brass's way of saying, DO NOT WRITE TRAFFIC TICKETS!!! which is bs and thats why the public sees us as just Game Wardens. :cop:

08-11-2008, 07:16 PM
the only time you have to write a narrative for traffic is if it is criminal or your supervisor tells you to. i write alot of traffic and never have a problem with infractions.

08-11-2008, 09:41 PM
When we can:
"Speed violations, equipment violations, public carrier/commercial violations, non-moving and moving citations may be issued when there are multiple violations in conjunction with a careless, reckless or a DUI citation."

When you have to write an Incident Summary Report:
"The Uniform Traffic Citation (UTC) or Driving under the Influence (DUI) citation will be completed on all traffic related charges if a citation is warranted. In addition, an Incident Summary Report Narrative (FWC/DLE-045A) will be completed and submitted."

All UTC's need a report written.

08-12-2008, 01:15 PM
If a criminal violation is observed put them on the shoulder. Leave civil infractions to FHP. :cop:

08-12-2008, 01:52 PM
Specialization, it is lazy morons like you that give us a bad name. No wonder every one thinks we are a joke. You probably let people run red lights right in front of your marked vehicle. That is pretty bad. If you don't want to do the job, go ahead and turn in your gun and badge. Remember, traffic stops yield results. The person(s) commiting civil infractions are also potential criminals. So think about that when the next person who runs a red light in front of you. That "civil infraction" you just let go could just also be a murder suspect or child molester. It is not just FHP's job. You have blue lights on your vehicle also.

08-12-2008, 08:58 PM
Are there many traffic lights on the water?

08-12-2008, 10:12 PM
Specialization, it is lazy morons like you that give us a bad name. No wonder every one thinks we are a joke. You probably let people run red lights right in front of your marked vehicle. That is pretty bad. If you don't want to do the job, go ahead and turn in your gun and badge. Remember, traffic stops yield results. The person(s) commiting civil infractions are also potential criminals. So think about that when the next person who runs a red light in front of you. That "civil infraction" you just let go could just also be a murder suspect or child molester. It is not just FHP's job. You have blue lights on your vehicle also.

Law enforcement is a job, not a crusade. Anyone can write 3-4 civil traffic infractions an hour if they chose to do so. Reckless endangerment is one thing but let the trivial pursuits go. Seeing a Grouper Trooper pull someone over for 9 over is the joke. How do you have time to concentrate on the functions you were primarily hired to do if you are playing traffic cop? Or you could get a job with the City and work school zones if that is what gets you off.

08-12-2008, 11:41 PM
Due to management placing so many restrictions on its officers most will not write a UTC. If an FWC Officer writes a UTC and it does not meet the criteria stated in the GO's, the officer can be reprimanded.

So, in my opinion (for what its worth), most FWC Officers will let traffic violations occur in their presence so they don't have to justify writing a ticket, writing a narrative and wonder after they wrote a good UTC if they are going to get reprimanded with a letter or time off.

08-13-2008, 12:54 PM
There are no exemptions for having to write a narrative for a UTC on why you wrote an "open container" ticket anymore. Wow, Tally doens't even want you to write open container tickets without having to justifying it. Pretty sad.

08-14-2008, 02:00 AM
WHAT A JOKE! Then again everything run by this State is a joke! (FHP, DEP, DOC). The State needs to get their sh!t together ASAP.

08-14-2008, 02:08 AM
Your right, the state is a joke, fire us all and send the funds to the sheriffs and PD's. They do all the real police work anyhow.
With all the fat cut out of Tallahassee, we may even get a job with them that will allow us to pay the bills.

08-14-2008, 02:16 AM
Your right, the state is a joke, fire us all and send the funds to the sheriffs and PD's. They do all the real police work anyhow.
With all the fat cut out of Tallahassee, we may even get a job with them that will allow us to pay the bills.

:shock:

08-14-2008, 02:19 AM
If an FWC Officer writes a UTC and it does not meet the criteria stated in the GO's, the officer can be reprimanded.


Will not happen, the reprimand will be for not wrighting a report. Make a form letter type report, change date, location and charge for each UTC.

It's a shame that we are going back to the old Col. Edwards plan; trying to make this agency a bigger GFC.

08-14-2008, 12:48 PM
what's GFC stand for again??

08-14-2008, 05:01 PM
I am a Trooper and I totally think you should be able to write UTC's just as we do. You guys are state law enforcement. What is a civil infraction going to hurt you guys anyway? It's activity isn't it? Just a thought. Stay safe. You guys have a dangerous job. As my ex husband (who is FWC) tells me you all deal with people who have guns (hunting season) ALL of the time. Just as dangerous if not more.

08-17-2008, 12:37 AM
Write it if you see it AND it is worth a UTC and a narrative, otherwise get to where you were headed. I see (hear) a lot of young Officers (immature) that take this job personal. If someone flys by you "in a marked unit" and is not a danger to the public who cares. It is time we police our own back yard which is resource law enforcement, fish and wildlife. I think unmarked vehicles are the ticket, hidden lights unmarked boats. Wear the uniform but not the billboard. FWC Officers rise up, quit riding 10-12 in the Agency and drive the damn thing.

Xiphos
08-20-2008, 04:17 AM
The point was that the previous GO had an exemption for wrinting narratives for certain violations such as, Key Deer or Panther Zones, and/or Open Container citations. The new GO's omitted the previous language.

You will have to justify in a narritive why you wrote an open container ticket and/or UTC in either a Key Deer or Panther Zone since it doesn't meet the GO requirements for writing a UTC. The officer is now subject to discipline for not complying with the GO's.

Gald you think accreditation is, "good to great!"

08-22-2008, 02:04 AM
The point was that the previous GO had an exemption for wrinting narratives for certain violations such as, Key Deer or Panther Zones, and/or Open Container citations. The new GO's omitted the previous language.

You will have to justify in a narritive why you wrote an open container ticket and/or UTC in either a Key Deer or Panther Zone since it doesn't meet the GO requirements for writing a UTC. The officer is now subject to discipline for not complying with the GO's.

Gald you think accreditation is, "good to great!"
:shock: