FHP's back door

Have you guys heard about FHP going behind the PBA's back in an attempt to get a raise? What's up with that?

I guess they think that they will stand a better chance if they did it seperately from all of the other state LEO agencies. FHP's plan to add fees to fund the plan will not pass the governor's veto pen. The plan was for all state LEO agencies to stick together and fight for one thing and they went off on their own without PBA's knowledge. Good luck to them.

I for one hope it works for them.....maybe then we'll see that we need to kick pba to the curb and do it ourselves.....

We did not go behind PBA's back they helped us write it. We are no longer with the other state leo agencies. PBA help us separate last year with the separation bill. Now when we get raises the other state leo agencies can't get it.

That's the reason we'll never win in the long run, since we can't even stand together with budget issues. If we're not going to stand together under a Union, we might as well do away with them!!

You are so right LEO 2, FHP always thinks they are better anyway, just traffic cops..

You are so right LEO 2, FHP always thinks they are better anyway, just traffic cops..


Yes, we did come up with a pay bill for FHP. Several Troopers got together and wrote the entire bill by themselves. After they wrote it, they did a few "knock and talks" with the Legislators to get a sponsor. They got sponsors in both houses along with several co-sponsors. The bills have done quite well so far, but obviously it still has a very long way to go.

As far as us looking out for ourselves.....well, WE wrote the bill. It only makes sense that we would write it for ourselves. Ironically, this topic came up on another site that is restricted only to Florida State Law Enforcement Officers. The author of the FHP bill offered to help the other agencies write a bill and to find a funding source within their normal scope of duties. He offered to help write it and to help the other officers find sponsors. He gave his email address amd cell phone number. To date, he has not received a single call from anyone that wants to take on the challenge.

The Trooper posted that the information being on a "restricted only to Florida State Law Enforcement Officers" site, but I'd have to guess I'm not the only one that doesn't know about such a site. The only site I'm aware of is the FDLEAA????

The fact of the matter was that all of the SLEO Association presidents sat down last year aafter talking to Rubio and agreed to get together as a whole and come up with a plan for the compression raises for all state law enforcement. Rubio suggested "thinking outside of the box" in coming up with fee increases that would not effect the general law abiding public. The here comes FHP branching out on it's own with this. Main PBA knew nothing of it and had nothing to do with writing the bill. So much for a united front. Now several different groups are going to go to the legislature with different plans instead of one large group with one plan. No one will get anything now thanks in part, to FHP.

This is exactly why we all should be merged into a single agency...

Could you imagine the back biting, and back stabbing going on in Tallahassee for control over that agency?! It would have to be an independently elected Director of Public Safety who would also be on the Cabinet. As long as he or she is appointed they will be more obligated to the Governor and Cabinet then to the state.

Could you imagine the back biting, and back stabbing going on in Tallahassee for control over that agency?! It would have to be an independently elected Director of Public Safety who would also be on the Cabinet. As long as he or she is appointed they will be more obligated to the Governor and Cabinet then to the state.

In a perfect world, you would be correct. An elected head would be slightly more responsible to the agency than a politically apponted "hack." You must also remember, this is Florida.

FHP did not come up with that plan!! It was suggested eailer this year and was intened for all State LEO's.

This is exactly why we all should be merged into a single agency...

YES!

I hope that the FHP retention plan works it's way thru committe and becomes law.

This will open the door for other State Agencies to come up with funding sources for a structured pay plan as well.

FWC, MCC, AG, FDLE, we all are in the same sinking boat. We cant keep qualified personnel due to no structured / funded pay plan.

If this passes I would suggest next year adding a ten or twenty dollar surcharge on every single moving violation / ticket to fund all State LEO pay plans.

I hope that the FHP retention plan works it's way thru committe and becomes law.

This will open the door for other State Agencies to come up with funding sources for a structured pay plan as well.

FWC, MCC, AG, FDLE, we all are in the same sinking boat. We cant keep qualified personnel due to no structured / funded pay plan.

If this passes I would suggest next year adding a ten or twenty dollar surcharge on every single moving violation / ticket to fund all State LEO pay plans.

When I saw the title of this thread I thought it was a gay porn post :shock: :shock:

DONT FORGET ABOUT PROBATION AND PAROLE (WANTABEES).

DONT FORGET ABOUT PROBATION AND PAROLE (WANTABEES).

this an FDLE board

GET LOST LOSER

The FHP stands to get raises of $ 5,000 - $ 10,000 many of them if their bill passes. If the StateLEO/Corrections bill passes that fund only takes in about 500,000 a year which comes out to like $ 50 an officer a year. What the heck is the PBA talking about that trust fund couldnt even give a 1% raise to senior people with only 500k coming in.

You are so right LEO 2, FHP always thinks they are better anyway, just traffic cops..


Really, I guess thats what you will think the next time some reckless driver speeds down the highway almost causing a crash when you have you family in the car. Try doing the job first!

When I read where someone claiming to be an AGENT, wrote that all troopers think they're better then everyone else embarrassed me!

For the past 20 years I've been a City Officer and County Deputy and now I’m an Agent, I can say every section, department, agency, ...... of law enforcement has some of the same attitude!

Don't point fingers at FHP, we need to be one group against the assholes in TALLAHASSEE that hate state employees and not fight amongst ourselves!!

Ask yourselves why would the jerks refuse to use funds that would not effect the state to give raises? Because they want all state employees to resign and walk away! That’s the only answer I can I think of!!!

You are so right LEO 2, FHP always thinks they are better anyway, just traffic cops..


Really, what make you a cop? What makes anyone a real cop? What arrogance?

How many FDLE agents killed in the line of duty?
Do you have a clue how many Troopers have been killed in the line of duty? NOT?

Again who defines who is a real cop or not?

I know one thing, real cops are allowed to write tickets, you dont want me to go there..

Not that we give a s@#t or want to write tickets, but FDLE has the authority to write them, so check your facts before you look like a jackass.

Black Hornet,

Please don't think that this is the way that all FDLE agents think. I for one appreciate FHP and in my region we work with them often. We are all supposed to be on the same side and I understand that we are all cops, just with different missions. Any agent that insults other cops because of the agency that they work for is a disgrace and should be out of here.

Black Hornet,

Please don't think that this is the way that all FDLE agents think. I for one appreciate FHP and in my region we work with them often. We are all supposed to be on the same side and I understand that we are all cops, just with different missions. Any agent that insults other cops because of the agency that they work for is a disgrace and should be out of here.

AMEN

Dear Black-Hornet,

You want to know why FHP has the reputation that got this thread started? Its the Marine Corp. drill instructors at your academy, that beat it in the recruits' heads that FHP is the greatest! You guys do a great job for a state that doesn't care about it's employees! But far from the best!

You have to remember each Department in the state does their own thing. And with the resources (or lack of) most agencies do a good job. Yes more Troopers have been killed in the line of duty then Agents, and looking at the job descriptions I would be surprised if it was the other way.

Troopers are front line, while FDLE usually is a response type agency. There is no shame in what we do, what there is a shame is when out of jealously, or ignorance people feel like they have to attack my agency, and to quote my grandmother "Don't throw ROCKS when you live in a glass HOUSE!"

I wrote tickets in the past and to be frank, I could careless to ever write another *&^$ing ticket myself (BEEN THERE DONE THAT!!)

Black-Hornet,

Also keep in mind that 90% of all FDLE agents were once local PD and SO that not only wrote tickets (yawn) but also answered calls that FHP has no experience in. With that background plus years in an investigative role, that again FHP does not and will not have any experience in, they chose to work for FDLE due to its investigative role in a wide variety of criminal areas.

I respect FHP and the job they are tasked to do but..... FDLE and FHP are two totally different agencies with totally different objectives regarding law enforcement. Those of us at FDLE could care less about tickets and are more concerned about putting criminals in jail.

Black-Hornet,

Also keep in mind that 90% of all FDLE agents were once local PD and SO that not only wrote tickets (yawn) but also answered calls that FHP has no experience in. With that background plus years in an investigative role, that again FHP does not and will not have any experience in, they chose to work for FDLE due to its investigative role in a wide variety of criminal areas.

I respect FHP and the job they are tasked to do but..... FDLE and FHP are two totally different agencies with totally different objectives regarding law enforcement. Those of us at FDLE could care less about tickets and are more concerned about putting criminals in jail.


I responded to what TROCC wrote.

"You are so right LEO 2, FHP always thinks they are better anyway, just traffic cops"..

His statement Its consending, and arrogant.

TROCC needed a taset of his own medicine and that what was admistered.

I have nothing against FDLE. I have worked with them for years. I know a lot of FDLE Agents and probably more than most FDLE agents do. Some Troopers are former City cops and Deputies. Just as some FDLE Agents are former Troopers. We are 1600 plus srtong and probably 100-200 are former city cops or deputies.

In my 23 plus years with FHP, I have answered calls, maybe not day in and day out, but enough to undersatnd the risks.

I know FDLE agents as a whole do not feel as TROCC feels, but my message was directed at him as he was sending a message about FHP..

I suggest that he be rediculed by those within FDLE, just as I was ridicule for defending FHP.

I did not draw 1st blood!!

Be safe out there...

[quote We are 1600 plus srtong and probably 100-200 are former city cops or deputies.

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Thoght you were down to about 1200?

[quote We are 1600 plus srtong and probably 100-200 are former city cops or deputies.

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Thoght you were down to about 1200?[/quote]



Not yet, maybe after next week if we dont get the pay raise!!

You are so right LEO 2, FHP always thinks they are better anyway, just traffic cops..


what are you FDLE paper pushers complaing about

you have step pay....fhp does not

Since you are bitter I should not even reply, but fyi we do not have a step plan.

If by paper pushers you mean writing search warrants on drug traffickers, arrest warrants on homicide suspects and wire intercept orders on organized crime targets, you're right.

My definition of paper pusher however would be writing civil citations and warnings. Not to mention window tint violations, now thats some real law enforcement for you..

Right on, the only thing FHP knows about law enforcement is, where they can get 1/2 price meals! I should know, I was a trooper and I know how much they goof off been S-4s and their "contacts!"

I think the site may be: flstatecop.com

Boy.. let me tell you somehthin....I ve been on the highway my whole life..I have had a blessed opportunity their..Ive eatin at some of the best restaurants..namely Sonny's..I love their garlic bread...but back to my statement FHP are heroes...and they got the best off duty.

If by paper pushers you mean writing search warrants on drug traffickers, arrest warrants on homicide suspects and wire intercept orders on organized crime targets, you're right.

My definition of paper pusher however would be writing civil citations and warnings. Not to mention window tint violations, now thats some real law enforcement for you..

OH you mean you write those for the sheriffs dept to carry out

This is why the state thinks all State LEO's are a joke and we look like children. Just read some of the posts on these boards. I'd like to think most of the idiotic posts are from non LEO's. We all do the job with different functions, who gives a S@#T! We all need to be paid better and that's the bottom line. There is strength in numbers and with all the infighting the state wins. Think about it before a childish post is placed and think who is reading these boards. Stay Safe and be positive.

I think this is funny. The agents calling the Troopers out and vice versa. I am a trooper, and we work very well with FDLE in my area. We have very different jobs from one another. Most Troopers dont want to be agents, and most agents do not want to be Troopers. Regardless, when one agency works together to achieve a raise, the other should not degrade them. If you recall, there were years that FDLE got raises, and FHP did not. Yes, we as Troopers were not happy, but we did not go out publicly on a forum and bash you. I hope we all get something next year! I don't think we should ban together, as FHP is separate from the other SLEOS. Just like FDLE being serparate from other unions. We all have our purpose for the State.
My 2 cents!