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DLE27 wrote:
Its not a secret! Everyone knows the wear on the state vehicles. Besides you guys and girls should not be doing off duty "Police" details. Where is your authority? Read statutes..you guys and girls still have limited LEO authority and it only applies when you are on-duty with AB&T. So how are you charging for your "LEO authority."?!
I am not familiar with your agency's jurisditional limitations. Can somebody clarify whether this is true or not ???
Thank you!!! [/quote]
Here's the story:
From its inception in 1933, up until FDLE was created in 1964, the State Beverage Department was the only investigative agency of the State. Around 1970, the agency finally got the name it has now (Fl. Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco). That was the result of some departmental mergers/creations. We have always had FULL police powers...until 1995. Back then, we had a director who was very close to the industry, and had plans on joining it after retirement. So, this guy thought it would be a great idea to remove some of our authority...unfortunately so did the Legislature. Basically, we were left with authority over all of the beverage statutes, and all felonies. Our misdemeanor and traffic authority was taken from us, making it harder to really do our jobs effectively.
Fast-forward to about two years ago, we were given full statutory authority again. The verbiage is simply written to say that we have the full legal authority, but that the Division can implement policies so that we may remain focused on the primary duties.
Basically, they just don't want us getting involved in every other crime, especially traffic, because it may not be directly related to "Beverage" cases. However, if we encounter any issues, we can, and are expected to act; even if it means just passing it over to the city/county. We are in a rather unique position to come across a gamut of criminal activity because of the places we frequent.
As for the off-duties, we have all the legal powers we need. Above all, they are authorized by our top administration.
Funny thing, though: FDLE is responsible for the CJSTC, and they have no traffic authority...they don't even want Capitol Police making stops.
Here's the story:
From its inception in 1933, up until FDLE was created in 1964, the State Beverage Department was the only investigative agency of the State. Around 1970, the agency finally got the name it has now (Fl. Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco). That was the result of some departmental mergers/creations. We have always had FULL police powers...until 1995. Back then, we had a director who was very close to the industry, and had plans on joining it after retirement. So, this guy thought it would be a great idea to remove some of our authority...unfortunately so did the Legislature. Basically, we were left with authority over all of the beverage statutes, and all felonies. Our misdemeanor and traffic authority was taken from us, making it harder to really do our jobs effectively.
I heard your Director only wants you to do licensed premise inspections and look for minors in possession, If that is the case how do you work traffic details?? I think you guys might be stretching your authority to say the least....
Fast-forward to about two years ago, we were given full statutory authority again. The verbiage is simply written to say that we have the full legal authority, but that the Division can implement policies so that we may remain focused on the primary duties.
Basically, they just don't want us getting involved in every other crime, especially traffic, because it may not be directly related to "Beverage" cases. However, if we encounter any issues, we can, and are expected to act; even if it means just passing it over to the city/county. We are in a rather unique position to come across a gamut of criminal activity because of the places we frequent.
As for the off-duties, we have all the legal powers we need. Above all, they are authorized by our top administration.
Funny thing, though: FDLE is responsible for the CJSTC, and they have no traffic authority...they don't even want Capitol Police making stops.
Here's the story:
From its inception in 1933, up until FDLE was created in 1964, the State Beverage Department was the only investigative agency of the State. Around 1970, the agency finally got the name it has now (Fl. Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco). That was the result of some departmental mergers/creations. We have always had FULL police powers...until 1995. Back then, we had a director who was very close to the industry, and had plans on joining it after retirement. So, this guy thought it would be a great idea to remove some of our authority...unfortunately so did the Legislature. Basically, we were left with authority over all of the beverage statutes, and all felonies. Our misdemeanor and traffic authority was taken from us, making it harder to really do our jobs effectively.
Fast-forward to about two years ago, we were given full statutory authority again. The verbiage is simply written to say that we have the full legal authority, but that the Division can implement policies so that we may remain focused on the primary duties.
Basically, they just don't want us getting involved in every other crime, especially traffic, because it may not be directly related to "Beverage" cases. However, if we encounter any issues, we can, and are expected to act; even if it means just passing it over to the city/county. We are in a rather unique position to come across a gamut of criminal activity because of the places we frequent.
As for the off-duties, we have all the legal powers we need. Above all, they are authorized by our top administration.
Funny thing, though: FDLE is responsible for the CJSTC, and they have no traffic authority...they don't even want Capitol Police making stops.
I heard your Director only wants you to do licensed premise inspections and look for minors in possession, If that is the case how do you work traffic details?? I think you guys might be stretching your authority to say the least....
First, regardless of what our Director wants us to focus on, we have STATUTORY authority. Second, our Director understands that we need a way to make up for salary issues, and we therefore are allowed to work details - including traffic.
Your focus is changing, too. More and more of you are being made Pit Bosses in casinos. Are you jealous of us working details Lima 477?
SFM has no traffic authority. FWC and DEP are restricted by policy, yet they work traffic, too. We are there for worker safety, not enforcement. How about all the municipalties that work traffic details and other off-duties outside of their cities? Why should you even care? Let them work details all they want, because it doesn't affect you, does it?
By the way, a premise is a thought. Premises indicates a building or property.
You guys do not have full LEO power...You must be conducting your primary duty... "on-duty" with ABT. Statute 20.165 follows:
DBPR..s. 20.165,FS reads -
(b) Each employee serving as a law enforcement officer for the division must meet the qualifications for employment or appointment as a law enforcement officer set forth under s. 943.13 and must be certified as a law enforcement officer by the Department of Law Enforcement under chapter 943. Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
1. The primary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to investigate, enforce, and prosecute, throughout the state, violations and violators of parts I and II of chapter 210, part VII of chapter 559, and chapters 561-569, and the rules adopted thereunder, as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce.
2. The secondary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to enforce all other state laws, provided that the enforcement is incidental to exercising the officer's primary responsibility as provided in subparagraph 1., and the officer exercises the powers of a deputy sheriff, only after consultation or coordination with the appropriate local sheriff's office or municipal police department or when the division participates in the Florida Mutual Aid Plan during a declared state emergency.
They are not stretching their authority...you first got to have it, which they dont, to stretch it. Regardless of what their Director approves! Thats on her when things go wrong. I smell lawsuits!
They are not stretching their authority...you first got to have it, which they dont, to stretch it. Regardless of what their Director approves! Thats on her when things go wrong. I smell lawsuits!
Sounds like they shouldn't have guns and badges at all, as they are only inspectors just the the restaurant people.
I think I just saw a roach next to the potato salad..
It ain't been a problem yet! Still looks like you all are pissed off for not working traffic details. *****ing at us won't help you. Call your commissioner and ask him for permission. If you guys are the "premier" LEA in this state, you'd be better paid, too. DLE is the do-***** of the governor, always has been, and always will be.
Jealousy does not become you. We are all state employess, and so we are all equally screwed. Go bark up someone else's tree.
Hey, you better take care that guy...he yanked the slot machine handle too hard.
It ain't been a problem yet! Still looks like you all are pissed off for not working traffic details. *****ing at us won't help you. Call your commissioner and ask him for permission. If you guys are the "premier" LEA in this state, you'd be better paid, too. DLE is the do-***** of the governor, always has been, and always will be.
Jealousy does not become you. We are all state employess, and so we are all equally screwed. Go bark up someone else's tree.
Hey, you better take care that guy...he yanked the slot machine handle too hard.
It ain't been a problem yet!
That is typical ABT, lets continue to do it even if it's wrong because It ain't been a problem yet! wow is see the depth in that agency... Hmmmm.....
We are not restricted by anything. I write fedral, state, traffic, county, and city ordinances all the time. No policy restrictions.
The reason it hasn't been a problem yet:
Former Governor Bush issued a directive to the Secretary of DBPR. The letter stated that it was up to the agency to define what was secondary, as well as define the parameters for our actions. His concern was to keep us focused on our primary responsibilities...as each and every state LEA has it's own set of defined primary responsibilities.
Here's the story:
From its inception in 1933, up until FDLE was created in 1964, the State Beverage Department was the only investigative agency of the State. Around 1970, the agency finally got the name it has now (Fl. Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco). That was the result of some departmental mergers/creations. We have always had FULL police powers...until 1995. Back then, we had a director who was very close to the industry, and had plans on joining it after retirement. So, this guy thought it would be a great idea to remove some of our authority...unfortunately so did the Legislature. Basically, we were left with authority over all of the beverage statutes, and all felonies. Our misdemeanor and traffic authority was taken from us, making it harder to really do our jobs effectively.
Fast-forward to about two years ago, we were given full statutory authority again. The verbiage is simply written to say that we have the full legal authority, but that the Division can implement policies so that we may remain focused on the primary duties.
Basically, they just don't want us getting involved in every other crime, especially traffic, because it may not be directly related to "Beverage" cases. However, if we encounter any issues, we can, and are expected to act; even if it means just passing it over to the city/county. We are in a rather unique position to come across a gamut of criminal activity because of the places we frequent.
As for the off-duties, we have all the legal powers we need. Above all, they are authorized by our top administration.
Funny thing, though: FDLE is responsible for the CJSTC, and they have no traffic authority...they don't even want Capitol Police making stops.
I heard your Director only wants you to do licensed premise inspections and look for minors in possession, If that is the case how do you work traffic details?? I think you guys might be stretching your authority to say the least....
As recently as last week our southern office made some felony gambling cases. One of the northern offices recently made some felony conterfit cases with ICE. All over the state we are doing other things in addition to the licnese premises inspections and minors in possession. We have some agents on task forces in certain areas of the state and the task forces are gald to have them, especially in Orlando, Miami, and Jax. So while we may not be as important as you think you are, we do a varity of things. Oh, sure, we have some slugs, but I bet you have some at your agency as well. The silliness on this site is really job security. If you think about it, we're all so busy saying we're better than every one else, the bad guys are having a field day because we won't work together. Everyone's to busy trying to get all the mables for themselves and forgetting what law enforcement is about----the health, safety, and welfare of the people of the State of Florida.
Regarding the last post, very well said. My apologies to FWC, I was under the impression upper management had restricted your 10-50 authority.
You guys do not have full LEO power...You must be conducting your primary duty... "on-duty" with ABT. Statute 20.165 follows:
DBPR..s. 20.165,FS reads -
(b) Each employee serving as a law enforcement officer for the division must meet the qualifications for employment or appointment as a law enforcement officer set forth under s. 943.13 and must be certified as a law enforcement officer by the Department of Law Enforcement under chapter 943. Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
1. The primary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to investigate, enforce, and prosecute, throughout the state, violations and violators of parts I and II of chapter 210, part VII of chapter 559, and chapters 561-569, and the rules adopted thereunder, as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce.
2. The secondary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to enforce all other state laws, provided that the enforcement is incidental to exercising the officer's primary responsibility as provided in subparagraph 1., and the officer exercises the powers of a deputy sheriff, only after consultation or coordination with the appropriate local sheriff's office or municipal police department or when the division participates in the Florida Mutual Aid Plan during a declared state emergency.
Not a lawyer, but doesn’t it say "as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce." so there is our authority. Where does it say while only on duty?
Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
Nough said... back to work.
What traffic authority do you need to work a traffic detail? Even if you see an infraction you cannot do anything about it. You can hold until a patrol unit shows up. You cannot be paid by a detail and then enforce laws for the state, you can not work for the state for free, writing traffic citations or a crash report while working the detail would constitute working for the state for free. Unless you call off of your detail, call on as working and then call off of working and go back on your detail. Which I highly doubt.
On a side note… who cares? Seriously, is the money I make working details that important to you, actually where I work there are no FDLE Agents, so quit *****ing.
Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
Nough said... back to work.
Not quite..cause that is the way you want to read it! #1 and #2 which follows the above are provisions which restrict above..the authority and requires ABT to be on ABT duty to enforce all other state laws not stated in #1...thier primary function. Nough said!
There's only one way to officially clarify this...the Florida Supreme Court. Till then, tough crap to those who don't like us.
You guys are wearing me out with this nonsense. Think about it for just a minute. ABT has all the power and authority needed to enforce the Beverage Law. The key to our exsistence has always been specialization. We would not be here today if we had "general law enforcement duties and responsibilities." Folks with "general authority" are called police officers or deputy sheriffs. Been there - done that. It doesn't matter what we are called. it doesn't matter who wants to challenge the situation. The only thing that matters is this -
High risk retirement, take home car, clothing allowance, almost every night and weekend off, very little (if any) shift work, equipment provided, plain clothes, etc. What are you asked to do in return? A few surveys. Some inspections. A case report every now and then. Are you kidding me????
Listen up and listen good - This is not a first response agency. For you kids wanting to be "POLICE" please move on. There are plenty of us very happy with the current situation. There can be no doubt - this is a great deal. It is what it is. I've only got a few years left. You 5.11 wearing, tactical boot clad, four magazine carrying, kubaton toting, tactifools better not mess it up either. Now go do an inspection and attend a coalition meeting!!!!!
What he said !!! Good Job 8)
Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
Nough said... back to work.
Not quite..cause that is the way you want to read it! #1 and #2 which follows the above are provisions which restrict above..the authority and requires ABT to be on ABT duty to enforce all other state laws not stated in #1...thier primary function. Nough said!
Where does it say while only on duty? Show me.. until then... go do whatever it is FDLE does. What do you do by the way? Not FDLE.. what do YOU do?
You guys do not have full LEO power...You must be conducting your primary duty... "on-duty" with ABT. Statute 20.165 follows:
DBPR..s. 20.165,FS reads -
(b) Each employee serving as a law enforcement officer for the division must meet the qualifications for employment or appointment as a law enforcement officer set forth under s. 943.13 and must be certified as a law enforcement officer by the Department of Law Enforcement under chapter 943. Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
1. The primary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to investigate, enforce, and prosecute, throughout the state, violations and violators of parts I and II of chapter 210, part VII of chapter 559, and chapters 561-569, and the rules adopted thereunder, as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce.
2. The secondary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to enforce all other state laws, provided that the enforcement is incidental to exercising the officer's primary responsibility as provided in subparagraph 1., and the officer exercises the powers of a deputy sheriff, only after consultation or coordination with the appropriate local sheriff's office or municipal police department or when the division participates in the Florida Mutual Aid Plan during a declared state emergency.
Ok, DORK!! the secondary secondary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to enforce all other state laws, provided that the enforcement is incidental to exercising the officer's primary responsibility as provided in subparagraph 1.
Subparagraph 1 reads,The primary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to investigate, enforce, and prosecute, throughout the state, violations and violators of parts I and II of chapter 210, part VII of chapter 559, and chapters 561-569, and the rules adopted thereunder, as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce.
back to work
You 5.11 wearing, tactical boot clad, four magazine carrying, kubaton toting, tactifools better not mess it up either. Now go do an inspection and attend a coalition meeting!!!!!
That's funny right there! :snicker:
You 5.11 wearing, tactical boot clad, four magazine carrying, kubaton toting, tactifools better not mess it up either. Now go do an inspection and attend a coalition meeting!!!!!
That's funny right there! :snicker:
I wasn't issued 5.11, but I do have tactical boots. :D
You 5.11 wearing, tactical boot clad, four magazine carrying, kubaton toting, tactifools better not mess it up either. Now go do an inspection and attend a coalition meeting!!!!!
That's funny right there! :snicker:
I wasn't issued 5.11, but I do have tactical boots. :D
Listen up and listen good - This is not a first response agency. For you kids wanting to be "POLICE" please move on. There are plenty of us very happy with the current situation. There can be no doubt - this is a great deal. It is what it is. I've only got a few years left. You 5.11 wearing, tactical boot clad, four magazine carrying, kubaton toting, tactifools better not mess it up either. Now go do an inspection and attend a coalition meeting!!!!!
Probably the most relevant thing posted here in months.
DEP is not restricted. They have some of the best traffic enforcement equipment aroud. Every DEP car I see is new and has a kustom or mph radar in it. They just applied for grant for 5 v-8 chargers for traffic enforcement/pursuit. I heard it straight from the bureau chief's mouth last month.
FYI dep has printers in their cars too, to print tickets.
Radar? Printers in cars? Pursuit vehicles? Traffic enforcement? Funny stuff. I have a pen capable of writing through 5 copies of a NTA. I also use the same pen when pressing hard through both copies of an official notice.
Who's kidding who?
I dont understand what youre trying to say...
We all have a job to do, I decided to do this job, you decided to do yours. No one job is better then the other, if your job was so great you won't be here trying to make yourself feel better about it. Comes down to this, you are getting your ass kicked, I come rolling up in my Impala, are you really going to care if I am on duty or off? Seriously, what does it matter?
I dont understand what youre trying to say...
I'm not trying to say anything. I am merely stating a fact. If go back several posts, you will see some inane rambling about DEP and their "toys." My observation should have hit home with you. The fact remains - you don't need all that crap to do the job you were hired to do. A pen capable of pressing through several carbonless copies will serve you well.
Mr. FDLE, how many felony arrest have you made, how many warrants have you served, how much have you seized asset wise? What is it that you do? Seriously, what do YOU do?
Who cares what another agency is doing. Each of use chose a specific agency to work for and that is all that needs to be said. I could careless about FHP, DEP, DLE or any other alphabet. We are all state employees and we need more pay to support our families, don't let this job take you away from what really counts at the end of the day.
The beauty of this job is that, as long as your focus remains within our mission, there is room to be the fat lazy old retiree who sits around and does nothing but inspections and stat-building, but there is also room to be the "5.11 wearing" police. Granted you can't expect to be chasing cars or busting down doors, but there is a good bit of "real police work" to be had, for those who give enough of a shit to look for it.
If you want to sit around and sponge state money with a minimal amount of work, go for it. That leaves more for the rest who actually take a little pride in what they do.
Who cares what another agency is doing. Each of use chose a specific agency to work for and that is all that needs to be said. I could careless about FHP, DEP, DLE or any other alphabet. We are all state employees and we need more pay to support our families, don't let this job take you away from what really counts at the end of the day.
Then go get a real job and quit *****ing!!!
The job market sucks right now...especially in this State. Florida's economy is a disaster at the moment, so keep the job you got. The last one in is always the first one out.
The beauty of this job is that, as long as your focus remains within our mission, there is room to be the fat lazy old retiree who sits around and does nothing but inspections and stat-building, but there is also room to be the "5.11 wearing" police. Granted you can't expect to be chasing cars or busting down doors, but there is a good bit of "real police work" to be had, for those who give enough of a shizzat to look for it.
If you want to sit around and sponge state money with a minimal amount of work, go for it. That leaves more for the rest who actually take a little pride in what they do.
Some of the most productive people at ABT have been here the longest. It takes a while to learn all the laws and administrative and licensing side of things. You get no help from licensing, they hang up on the agents who call with questions and licensing supervisors will fight with agents for hours instead of taking two minutes and looking something up. So you're on your own for a while until you get the hang of things. That's one reason new people get discouraged and then there's plenty of ABT agents with bad attitudes and they contribute to the discouragement the new folks feel. Add to that no raises or steps and constantly changing upper management and it's a recipe for high turnover. But for those who stay, it can be interesting and productive.
Take some money, go to a PD, and find some detectives or officers who want to conduct an investigation-don't call it a task force or Tallahasse will get faint and lose consciousness. Partner up with some good locals. Make arrests if you are lucky enough to have an experienced LT who doesn't go pale at the first sign of police work. Some of the offices actually encourage good work and arrests, even thought you have to do some searching to find them.
The beauty of this job is that, as long as your focus remains within our mission, there is room to be the fat lazy old retiree who sits around and does nothing but inspections and stat-building, but there is also room to be the "5.11 wearing" police. Granted you can't expect to be chasing cars or busting down doors, but there is a good bit of "real police work" to be had, for those who give enough of a shizzat to look for it.
If you want to sit around and sponge state money with a minimal amount of work, go for it. That leaves more for the rest who actually take a little pride in what they do.
That's great. "5.11 Wearing" Police. We also have some idiots who like to wear dew rags and fingerless gloves. They wear 5.11's too!!!
What traffic authority do you need to work a traffic detail? Even if you see an infraction you cannot do anything about it. You can hold until a patrol unit shows up. You cannot be paid by a detail and then enforce laws for the state, you can not work for the state for free, writing traffic citations or a crash report while working the detail would constitute working for the state for free. Unless you call off of your detail, call on as working and then call off of working and go back on your detail. Which I highly doubt.
On a side note… who cares? Seriously, is the money I make working details that important to you, actually where I work there are no FDLE Agents, so quit *****ing.
Not to mention that even construction workers can direct traffic and call FHP when they witness a traffic related incident.
Just to expound a little on DEP....
Yes, we do traffic. We do ALOT of traffic. However, we are the park police. We have statewide jurisdiction and are encouraged to use our authority wherever it is needed and prudent.
Tallahassee does not want me sitting on the side of the interstate running radar or stopping a car with a tag that is expired a month or two, while I am driving to my zone, which is a park. They feel that this would take my time away from the places that I am supposed to be everyday and the people who rely on me to be there.
With that said, if I am on the way to my park or other patrol area and someone is driving like an idiot,or committing a crime or fits the description of a BOLO, I am expected to be the police officer that I am, and stop that vehicle and resolve the situation using the discretion that we all have.
And we are, by all means necesary, available to provide back up for ALL other LEO's, no matter what color uniform they are wearing. If you need us, we will help you.
Many times, we are not invited to the party when it comes to task forces etc..because people do not understand what we do. So, these are a few of our tasks as far as the patrol bureau goes....
We have issued AR 15's and have had "active shooter" training to be able to provide assistance in those type situations and other situations that are applicable.
We do traffic enforcement. It is very necessary with the volume of people in the state parks.
We have training in clandestine meth labs.
We are some of the first boots on the ground immediately after hurricanes and participate in urban search and rescue efforts.
We do homicide investigations. Sometimes on our own, sometimes in tandem with the local authorities depending on what resources are needed.
We enforce fishing, boating, and game laws
We make drug arrests
We handle domestic violance calls
We deal wtih pedophiles
We deal with illegals, vagrants, pedophiles, drunks, missing children and neglected children. People from all walks of life and all of their issues.
We have become adept at dealing with large groups of pissed off people.
We deal with people and alcohol because alcohol is prohibited in the public day use areas of the park. With that we deal with people under age that are drinking, especially during spring break.
Generally, like the city PD's and SO's we do a little of everything in a very unique environment. Our job also involves alot of aspects of community policing.
Those are just some of the things that we do, and have knowledge of, and it will change according to the district. I am not trying to be preachy or arrogant or anything of that sort. I just thought that this was an opportunity to educate other law enforcement entities that may not be familiar with us, to the things that we do, or might be able to offer you, to help with anything you might need.
I worked with DEP during Spring Break in Panama, it went well. They called for back up, we arrived and helped out. They were thankful to have us there and were thankful they called us. I wish I had a laptop in my car with a printer, not to mention the AR, plus the one I saw had night vision.. really cool. Thanks for the heads up.
I have to admit, I was not aware of all the tasks DEP have to complete.
You guys do not have full LEO power...You must be conducting your primary duty... "on-duty" with ABT. Statute 20.165 follows:
DBPR..s. 20.165,FS reads -
(b) Each employee serving as a law enforcement officer for the division must meet the qualifications for employment or appointment as a law enforcement officer set forth under s. 943.13 and must be certified as a law enforcement officer by the Department of Law Enforcement under chapter 943. Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
1. The primary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to investigate, enforce, and prosecute, throughout the state, violations and violators of parts I and II of chapter 210, part VII of chapter 559, and chapters 561-569, and the rules adopted thereunder, as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce.
2. The secondary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to enforce all other state laws, provided that the enforcement is incidental to exercising the officer's primary responsibility as provided in subparagraph 1., and the officer exercises the powers of a deputy sheriff, only after consultation or coordination with the appropriate local sheriff's office or municipal police department or when the division participates in the Florida Mutual Aid Plan during a declared state emergency.
NOW PLEASE READ THAT LINE THAT IS BOLD AND UNDERLINED. WHEN YOU ARE DONE YOU LITTLE CADET ROOKIE BEOTCH WE WILL TEST YOU, THEN IF YOU PASS WE MIGHT GIVE YOU A LITTLE BADGE! AB&T AGENTS AINT NO DIFFERENT THEN DLE AGENTS, EXCEPT THE HUGE FKING EGOS MIGHT NOT BE THERE! STFU AND DROP THE TOPIC DUMBSHIT!
You guys do not have full LEO power...You must be conducting your primary duty... "on-duty" with ABT. Statute 20.165 follows:
DBPR..s. 20.165,FS reads -
(b) Each employee serving as a law enforcement officer for the division must meet the qualifications for employment or appointment as a law enforcement officer set forth under s. 943.13 and must be certified as a law enforcement officer by the Department of Law Enforcement under chapter 943. Upon certification, each law enforcement officer is subject to and has the same authority as provided for law enforcement officers generally in chapter 901 and has statewide jurisdiction. Each officer also has arrest authority as provided for state law enforcement officers in s. 901.15. Each officer possesses the full law enforcement powers granted to other peace officers of this state, including the authority to make arrests, carry firearms, serve court process, and seize contraband and the proceeds of illegal activities.
1. The primary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to investigate, enforce, and prosecute, throughout the state, violations and violators of parts I and II of chapter 210, part VII of chapter 559, and chapters 561-569, and the rules adopted thereunder, as well as other state laws that the division, all state law enforcement officers, or beverage enforcement agents are specifically authorized to enforce.
2. The secondary responsibility of each officer appointed under this section is to enforce all other state laws, provided that the enforcement is incidental to exercising the officer's primary responsibility as provided in subparagraph 1., and the officer exercises the powers of a deputy sheriff, only after consultation or coordination with the appropriate local sheriff's office or municipal police department or when the division participates in the Florida Mutual Aid Plan during a declared state emergency.
NOW PLEASE READ THAT LINE THAT IS BOLD AND UNDERLINED. WHEN YOU ARE DONE YOU LITTLE CADET ROOKIE BEOTCH WE WILL TEST YOU, THEN IF YOU PASS WE MIGHT GIVE YOU A LITTLE BADGE! AB&T AGENTS AINT NO DIFFERENT THEN DLE AGENTS, EXCEPT THE HUGE FKING EGOS MIGHT NOT BE THERE! STFU AND DROP THE TOPIC DUMBSHIT!
I guess I'm in somewhat of a minority. You see, I had the good fortune of having two very good and close FDLE friends. I don't recall us ever seriously demeaning one another. Conversely, we worked very well together on some pretty important, serious and fun investigations. One of the FDLE agents of whom I refer thought we had "awesome powers" (his words) which he based upon our authority to inspect and search a licensed premises W/O a warrant. On several occasions he came to us and asked that we either inspect the premises for named individuals he was interested in or on one occasion actually seize records that he needed to examine. We worked together, we lunched together and we found ways to razz one another without doing harm to our relationship. From our end we referred to them as "prema donna" mother*fukers and they called us ass*holes but it was all in fun. Today the mutual respect and more importantly, friendship continues so I really don't see the point of all this bull*shit about who has the most authority, makes the most money or whatever else the moronic mindset banters about. It would be nice if we could all agree that there's not enough of us out there to be fighting one another. I consider any and all LEO's family.
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