02-18-2008, 04:35 PM
THE NEW PROPOSED UNION RETIREMENT IS GREAT FOR THE MAJORITY OF OFFICERS AND GOD BLESS THEM! THE PRESENT RETIREMENT NEEDED TO BE REDONE. HOWEVER, IT IS UNFAIR FOR A FEW OF US AND WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO STAY WITH THE OLD PLAN.
THE PRESENT PLAN ALLOWS FOR A 3% A YEAR MULTIPLIER AND PORF (POLICE OFFICER'S RETIREMENT PLAN) WHICH MAXS OUT AT 12000 A YEAR. THE PRESENT CITY PLAN ALSO HAS AN AGE PENALTY OF 3% A YEAR FROM 50-55 AND A 2% A YEAR FROM 56-60 OR A 25%PENALTY IN YOUR TOTAL RETIREMENT (PORF AND CITY) IF YOU WERE TO RETIRE WHEN YOU ARE 50 YEARS OLD.
THE NEW PLAN WOULD BE 3% A YEAR MULTIPLIER WITH NO AGE PENALTY. THIS IS GREAT PLAN FOR THE YOUNGER GUYS. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BY THE WAY, THE REASON WE NO LONGER HAVE PORF IS BECAUSE THE UNION NEGOTIATED THE PORF AWAY THREE YEARS AGO FOR THAT SHARE PLAN AND OUR SMALL RAISE. WHAT A FOOLISH MOVE!
FOOD FOR THOUGHT.......ALL OFFICERS, YOUNG OR OLD WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY AT AGE 55 Y.O. UNDER THE OLD RETIREMENT PLAN! HOW GOOD IS OUR UNION?
THE UNION WANTS TO TAKE THE PORF MONEY AND PUT IT IN THE GENERAL RETIREMENT PLAN TO SUBSIDIZED THE NEW EARLY RETIREMENT BENEFIT AT NO PENALTY.
THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE FEW OFFICERS HURT BY THE NEW PLAN TO STAY IN THE CITY GENERAL PLAN AND SEPARATE FROM THE UNION. THEY WOULD NOT BE HURT BY THE NEW PLAN AND THE CITY COULD EASILY EXCEPT THEM. WE WOULD ALSO NOT GET SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE NEW UNION PLAN.
THE UNION DOESN'T WANT TO DO THIS. THEY WANT TO TAKE THE PORF MONEY.
THIS COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE THE PORF BOARD DOESN'T CARE AND NEITHER DOES THE CITY. THE UNION WANTS TO TAKE THE PORF MONEY FROM THE OFFICERS WHO EARNED IT AND USE IT AS THEY SEE FIT. THERE IS A PERSONAL AGENDA HERE FOR CERTAIN UNION REPS THAT BENEFIT DIRECTLY FROM THIS NEW RETIREMENT. THE UNION IS NOT BEING HONEST WHEN THEY SAY THINGS CAN'T BE DONE. THE UNION JUST DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.
OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE 18 AND 20 PLUS YEARS ARE GETTING THEIR BENEFITS CUT AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER WHEN THEY CAN'T MAKE IT UP. THIS NEW UNION RETIREMENT HURTS OFFICER 48 Y.O. AND LATER.
I THOUGHT AS POLICE OFFICERS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT WAS MORALLY, ETHICALLY AND LEGALLY RIGHT. THE RESPONSE I GET FROM THE UNION IS "IT'S LEGAL" IT "MIGHT" BE LEGAL BUT IT IS DEFINITELY NOT ETHICAL OR MORAL. WE WERE HIRED UNDER THE PRESENT RETIREMENT AND GIVEN PRINT OUTS THAT STATED THIS IS WHAT WE EARNED AND ARE GOING TO RECEIVE. IT SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED.
I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT I WORK WITH A UNION AND PEOPLE THAT AREN'T CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S ETHICALLY RIGHT, IF THEY CAN "LEGALLY" CHEAT YOU. INCREDIBLE. I GUESS I AM STILL LEARNING.
WHAT ABOUT THE CITY COMMISSION AND CITY ADMINISTRATION. I THOUGHT THEY WERE ELECTED AND APPOINTED TO DO WHAT WAS LEGALLY, ETHICALLY AND MORALLY RIGHT. IS THERE SOME CHARACTER HERE?
LET'S HOPE THERE IS STILL SOME INTEGRITY LEFT IN THE CITY MANAGEMENT AND SOMEONE ALLOWS US TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE WITH NO CHANGES. I NOW KNOW WHAT THE FOLKS AT ENRON FELT LIKE WHEN THEIR ADMINISTRATORS PILLAGED THEIR RETIREMENT. [/b]
THE PRESENT PLAN ALLOWS FOR A 3% A YEAR MULTIPLIER AND PORF (POLICE OFFICER'S RETIREMENT PLAN) WHICH MAXS OUT AT 12000 A YEAR. THE PRESENT CITY PLAN ALSO HAS AN AGE PENALTY OF 3% A YEAR FROM 50-55 AND A 2% A YEAR FROM 56-60 OR A 25%PENALTY IN YOUR TOTAL RETIREMENT (PORF AND CITY) IF YOU WERE TO RETIRE WHEN YOU ARE 50 YEARS OLD.
THE NEW PLAN WOULD BE 3% A YEAR MULTIPLIER WITH NO AGE PENALTY. THIS IS GREAT PLAN FOR THE YOUNGER GUYS. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
BY THE WAY, THE REASON WE NO LONGER HAVE PORF IS BECAUSE THE UNION NEGOTIATED THE PORF AWAY THREE YEARS AGO FOR THAT SHARE PLAN AND OUR SMALL RAISE. WHAT A FOOLISH MOVE!
FOOD FOR THOUGHT.......ALL OFFICERS, YOUNG OR OLD WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY AT AGE 55 Y.O. UNDER THE OLD RETIREMENT PLAN! HOW GOOD IS OUR UNION?
THE UNION WANTS TO TAKE THE PORF MONEY AND PUT IT IN THE GENERAL RETIREMENT PLAN TO SUBSIDIZED THE NEW EARLY RETIREMENT BENEFIT AT NO PENALTY.
THE SIMPLE SOLUTION WOULD BE TO ALLOW THE FEW OFFICERS HURT BY THE NEW PLAN TO STAY IN THE CITY GENERAL PLAN AND SEPARATE FROM THE UNION. THEY WOULD NOT BE HURT BY THE NEW PLAN AND THE CITY COULD EASILY EXCEPT THEM. WE WOULD ALSO NOT GET SOME OF THE BENEFITS OF THE NEW UNION PLAN.
THE UNION DOESN'T WANT TO DO THIS. THEY WANT TO TAKE THE PORF MONEY.
THIS COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE THE PORF BOARD DOESN'T CARE AND NEITHER DOES THE CITY. THE UNION WANTS TO TAKE THE PORF MONEY FROM THE OFFICERS WHO EARNED IT AND USE IT AS THEY SEE FIT. THERE IS A PERSONAL AGENDA HERE FOR CERTAIN UNION REPS THAT BENEFIT DIRECTLY FROM THIS NEW RETIREMENT. THE UNION IS NOT BEING HONEST WHEN THEY SAY THINGS CAN'T BE DONE. THE UNION JUST DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT.
OFFICERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE 18 AND 20 PLUS YEARS ARE GETTING THEIR BENEFITS CUT AT THE END OF THEIR CAREER WHEN THEY CAN'T MAKE IT UP. THIS NEW UNION RETIREMENT HURTS OFFICER 48 Y.O. AND LATER.
I THOUGHT AS POLICE OFFICERS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO WHAT WAS MORALLY, ETHICALLY AND LEGALLY RIGHT. THE RESPONSE I GET FROM THE UNION IS "IT'S LEGAL" IT "MIGHT" BE LEGAL BUT IT IS DEFINITELY NOT ETHICAL OR MORAL. WE WERE HIRED UNDER THE PRESENT RETIREMENT AND GIVEN PRINT OUTS THAT STATED THIS IS WHAT WE EARNED AND ARE GOING TO RECEIVE. IT SHOULDN'T BE CHANGED.
I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT I WORK WITH A UNION AND PEOPLE THAT AREN'T CONCERNED WITH WHAT'S ETHICALLY RIGHT, IF THEY CAN "LEGALLY" CHEAT YOU. INCREDIBLE. I GUESS I AM STILL LEARNING.
WHAT ABOUT THE CITY COMMISSION AND CITY ADMINISTRATION. I THOUGHT THEY WERE ELECTED AND APPOINTED TO DO WHAT WAS LEGALLY, ETHICALLY AND MORALLY RIGHT. IS THERE SOME CHARACTER HERE?
LET'S HOPE THERE IS STILL SOME INTEGRITY LEFT IN THE CITY MANAGEMENT AND SOMEONE ALLOWS US TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE WITH NO CHANGES. I NOW KNOW WHAT THE FOLKS AT ENRON FELT LIKE WHEN THEIR ADMINISTRATORS PILLAGED THEIR RETIREMENT. [/b]