PBA must go!

We need a new union, The PBA must go! We need a union that will stand behind us! Our contract is up this year, we need a union that will fight for us on our next contract! Melbourne and Port Saint Lucie P.D. voted out Coastal PBA last year and their very happy they did. I say that we make the change![/i][/b]

I'm in, has anybody researched which union to switch to? FOP, IUPA?

I'm an union member from Port St Lucie PD that is glad we dumped Coastal Florida PBA. We are happy on making the switch to IUPA. All of our executive board officers with IUPA are our own police officers, not someone located in Daytona Beach. We control our own destiny. Trust has been restored by switching to IUPA. Something that was lacking with Coastal PBA. We run our own union, have our own officers and have our own local meetings. Can you say that about Coastal Florida PBA.

We have a labor attorney at the bargaining table from a reputable law firm, not just a staff rep doing the negotiating like Coastal did. Everything that was promised has been delivered. If we want to open up a local office, we can if we choose to. However, right now there isn't a need to since all of the executive members are "OUR OWN OFFICERS" and are "LOCAL".

No more having a different attorney every year since Coastal PBA has a hard time retaining them. Then again, you wouldn't want to use any of the one's they have or had.

Coastal PBA acts more like a dictatorship than listening to their members. Your Coastal VP in Brevard County is proof of that.

Now lets see, Coastal Florida had Vice Presidents in Port St Lucie and Melbourne and both departments DUMPED Coastal Florida. Now Brevard County has a Vice President with Coastal PBA and they are considering to DUMP Coastal Florida PBA. I GUESS THIS TELLS YOU SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR LEADERSHIP OR LACK OF.

The St Lucie County Sheriffs Office is also considering DUMPING Coastal Florida PBA by a decertification vote or upon the expiration of their contract.

In closing, please consider your move to IUPA. You will not be disappointed. Happy in Port St Lucie.

PSLPD, do you have contact information for IUPA and how do we go about kicking CFPBA out? :D

I'm a PSL officer too. I heard about your guys difficulty with Coastal. We had the same problems with coastal before we switched to IUPA. The switch is the best thing we've done in a long time...all decisions are made locally by PSL cops, we control the money, the name (who we endorse), all decisions about the direction of the union...all without any interference fromthe larger union. We're in contract negotiations and had an attorney named Matt Mierzwa sent to us for approval...the guy is awesome. He truly has the city scared...this guy has 30 years experience and he listens to what we want.

We were able to switch 90 days prior to the expiration of our contract by doing a card drive and getting a perc vote. We had nearly 80 percent of the officers sign cards stating that they wished to switch to iupa. When the vote came, it was damn near unanimous.

Hey, talk to anybody in psl and I would bet money that you'll find they are happy with the switch. There is life outside of COASTAL PBA! Plus, scott pikus is a d-bag.

THE FOP HAS TEKEN OVER VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS FROM THE PBA AND EVERYONE IS EXTREAMLY HAPPY. SATELLITE BEACH, INDIAN HARBOR BEACH AND MELBOURNE. THE FOP IS COPS REPRESENTING COPS. THE FOP HAS SAVE SEVERAL DEPUTIES JOBS IN BCSO.

The contact person for IUPA is Jeff. His phone number is 941-313-0030. He will assist you through the whole process of switching unions. Trust me the grass is greener on the otherside. Be safe!

The time period is 150 days to 90 days before your contract expires or anytime after your contract expires. That's when your the cards have to be signed by your officers for the new union. I believe F.S.S. 447 explains this.

Call Jeff Edmiston at 941-313-0030 or e-mail him @ organizer@iupa.org. He is a great guy and will help you through the whole process.

Don't let Coastal Florida PBA try to tell you differently. They are the biggest bunch of liars and dictators in our region. Just look at the Vice President from your department. Do we need to say more !!!!!

Hopefully, you'll switch to IUPA, we know you will be happy, we are. Anyone is better than Coastal PBA, and the service can only improve from what they are providing.

Ask any officer in Port St Lucie and they'll tell you they are glad we made the switch. GOOD LUCK.

Does IUPA provide an attorny from a law firm to bargin your contract or an IUPA Rep? If a law firm is bargining your contract, are your union dues high?

The FOP has been in Brevard County since 1965 and currently handles the labor contracts for the Satellite Beach PD, Indian Harbor Beach PD, Cocoa Beach PD, Palm Bay PD and Melbourne PD. All units are happy with the services being provided in Brevard. If anyone is serious about a switch, contact FOP Association President Bert Gamin.

IUPA uses the same law firm to negotiate their contracts as the Fire Fighters! We all know what the Fire Fighters get in their contracts! $$$$$ Its time for us to have a professional law firm negotiate our next contract!

The dues for IUPA are $35.00 per month, same as Coastal Florida PBA. However, we charge $5.00 extra per pay (it's your option) from each member in case we decide to open up our own local office. It isn't needed because all of our e-board members are in Port St Lucie, unlike Coastal. You set the dues as much as you want, as long as IUPA gets $35.00 per month.

We now have the money available, to use as the members determine. Political Screenings, helping out a fellow officer during a hardship, etc.

YES, a labor attorney (not a staff rep) will be doing your contracts. This is included in the $35.00 monthly dues.

I have to admit I completely understand your aggrivation and hesitation in moving to a new union. We experienced the same thing. I can honestly say without any regret that I am COMPLETELY relieved to have moved to IUPA and dumped Coastal PBA. We have taken control of our own destiny and IUPA has met us on EVERY single issue with support and guidance.

I was fortunate enough to have been elected President of our new union's local chapter. I am working with eight other dedicated, talented cops who have also taken this challenge, and met it with the same hope and goals to make our union what it was meant to be. WE now have control of our own destiny and there is NO ONE in another city telling us what to do and not to do. IUPA has been with us since day one and constantly answers calls for help and guides us when needed.

On the occassions when we have asked for an attorney, there was NO QUESTIONS asked an attorney met us on scene or was within phone contact almost immediately. We are in the middle of negotiations and the attorney IUPA has supplied to us is amazing. He has completely re-written our contract to protect us on every issue. He found numerous issues within our "old" contract that clearly shows how much in violation the city has been in some of the pay and labor law issues. There was verbiage in the old contracts that could have been extremely damaging in the event of a push coming to a shove.

Bottom line is this...I could not be happier with the change we made. We pay a bit more but I will tell you that you get back what you pay for 100%. IUPA has given us a chance to make a difference in our own future. If you have people within your agency that can step up and take control while working with your best interests in mind, then by all means IUPA is for you. You wont be sorry in making that jump. They have been a GODSEND to us so far! I wish you all luck with what you do. Call any one of us if you need anything.

What a let down! IUPA came in promising to be our white knight. what a sham! No local office, no local attorneys, no support from the National IUPA. IUPA doesn't even provide a rep for IAs. I recently went through one and they gave me another officer to rep me. Another officer! I want someone trained in IAs to rep me.
IUPA, please........ :roll:

That's what IUPA stands for! A buddy of mine was an Iupa member when Iupa repped State Law Enforcement. He was terminated from FWC as a Sgt and Iupa told him it wasn't cost effective to represent him. He spent over $60k on his own attorney and won his job back.
I heard another officer was fired from ABT and had proof that the agency had fabricated documents to do so and once again the toothless tiger Iupa told her that it wasn't cost effective to rep her and the PBA had to step in and salvage her career.
Don't believe the Iupa crap. If Iupa was so great, why are all of the Iupa nationals getting rid of them? Las Vegas? gone. LA? gone. Massachusetts? leaving.

Coastal PBA has had more leave than IUPA and that's just here in Florida. On IUPA.org they are still listed as members. I have a feeling the above 2 posts are from our outstanding PBA. Get to work and off our site! :shock:

REally?
Let's look at the IUPA lost list:
1. Florida State Law Enforcement
2. Florida Highway Patrol
3. Jupiter PD Officers
4. Jupiter PD Lieutenants
5. Clermont PD

Who else do they represent? Oh, hey, Bell Glades. Woo. What about all 20 at North Miami Beach. Yay.

Get a CLUE! IUPA doesn't even lobby the Florida legislature to improve our working conditions in Florida. Their last lobbyist, Chris Moya, was fired for inability to perform. PBA has twenty lobbyists working daily on Florida's law enforcement legislation.
Yeah I support PBA. That's because PBA is producing! What has IUPA done for PSLPD's contract? NOTHING! They are less than half way done with the contract after negotiating since August. That's 8 months! The PBA was almost 90% done.
I challenge you to show where IUPA has done one thing better. One thing! No local attorneys. No local office. No local staff reps. No service. That is what IUPA has done for PSL. Thank you Jimmy. Thank you.

Hillsborough County just voted out the PBA 689 to 250 for no representation. I guess no representation at all is better than the PBA! :shock:

First I would like to tell you that I was a PBA Representative from 1996 to 2007 with the Port St Lucie PD. Now I am one of the Vice Presidents with Local 6015, IUPA.

I saw first hand how the services by the PBA deteriorated over the years, while the dues kept increasing. I wasn't the only one that saw this. Several verbal and written complaints were filed with President, Vince Champion, only to fall on deaf ears. He failed to act on this along with complaints from Melbourne PD. It cost them dearly, roughly 300 members leaving PBA.

Things were good until around 1999 to 2000 when in house attorney Winston Borkowski left PBA to take a job with the State of Florida. I have to admit he was the best they ever had and it was downhill ever since he left. Since then they have gone through an attorney at the rate of about one per year. Their attorneys are always on a learning curve. They are unable to retain them, then again after first hand experience, you wouldn't want them. They rehired one that we actually lost an important grievance, because she couldn't count to ten. The number of days to file a grievance, even after being reminded by the reps three times to make sure it was filed within the timeframe. They had another good part time attorney in Phil Lupo from Rockledge, only to squabble over a few dollars and failing to pay him what he was worth. The the PBA hires an attorney from Michigan only to find out that the City of Port St Lucie investigated this and found out he was disbarred in Michigan. What an embarassment for all of us in Port St Lucie when this happened. Our city revealing what the PBA should have before this attorney was hired.

I could go on and on about the bozo's they have hired to represent their members, but I'll let it go. Anyone who has been a member with Coastal PBA since 1999 can honestly say, the services have gone downhill.

Then against the members wishes, they hire a staff representative that was a civilian administrator with our police department, fired by the Police Chief, then they agreed to make it a resignation (forced resignation). They used this individual at IA hearings and at the bargaining table. Would you actually think you had a snowballs chance in an IA by this person representing you. I think not. Once again, this fell on deaf ears by the PBA. Their answer to this was that we will not have staff reps crossing each other on I-95. Boy they really listened to their members wishes. They only think about their pocketbook. The one staff representative that was respected by many was let go or quit because of the BS. Coastal PBA are dictators and run it like so.

Now to the post from the so called PSL Officer who said IUPA doesn't provide a staff rep or an attorney during IA's or not having a local office or attorney.

First of all, I truly believe that the person that wrote that article, IS NOT a PSL Officer. It sounds like the same rhetoric and lies written by a certain VP of Coastal PBA in the PBA BOLO when we voted PBA out.

I can honestly say that IPUA has always supplied a business agent or an attorney during all IA's if the officer asked for it. There are a few officers who are comfortable with the local reps/officers.

Now for the local office. It is our choosing if we want to open a local office. Right now there isn't a need to since all seven executive board members/officers are local and members of the Port St Lucie PD. Can we say the same about Coastal Florida PBA. I don't think so, since they are in Daytona Beach, over 150 miles from Port St Lucie and a 2-1/2 hour drive away. Just think if we needed an attorney from that distance away.

We have local call out attorneys for emergency's. WE HAVE A LABOR ATTORNEY AT THE BARGAINING TABLE FOR OUR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. I don't even think Coastal PBA knows what that is.

I have been part of negotiating the last four contracts. Let me tell you how nice it is to have a labor attorney at the table instead of a staff rep telling the city, "we have to get back to you after conferring with legal counsel". Which leads us to the in house attorneys at Coastal. There are many flaws in our previous contracts that the PBA attorney didn't pick up. IT PAYS TO HAVE A LABOR ATTORNEY AT THE TABLE.

For IA's, our attorney is 30 minutes away in Palm Beach Gardens, not like Coastal's attorney which had to travel 150 miles and 2-1/2 hours to Port St Lucie.

In closing our union is run by our [b][u]own police officers, not by people far, far away.

Our members are happy with IUPA. They have delivered on everything they promised. Yeah, we may have one or two die hard PBA fans, but probably not more that that.

Oh by the way, IUPA was voted in by a count of 126 for IUPA and only
11 for PBA. [b]Just about 92% for IUPA, and a merely 8% for PBA. This should tell you something.

Thank you and I can tell you that you will be happy by dumping PBA. St. Lucie County Sheriff's are very unhappy with Coastal as are the PEA, city employees. Watch out for a mass exodus from Coastal and rightfully so.

The post from "Another PSL officer" has the B/S meter working overtime. He has to be fake by far. I have personally set in on 90% of the IA's dealt with (which by the way I AM "TRAINED") and handled since IUPA's inception and that's a bunch of crap. (Oh by they way...not any ONE of which resulted in anyone getting fired and or offered resignation for "improper emails") and as a matter of fact NO disciplinary actions resulting in time off or terminations have been handed out to date?

Im sorry, but to be honest we have had an attorney at every IA that has merited it so far (which was ONE). ANY decision for an attorney to be or NOT be present has been the decision of the executive board collectively (9 local reps)...not someone in Talahasse that has to get back to you in four or five days after going through three other people. On the others that were possibly involving any type of any REAL discipline, there has been a IUPA rep at the office within hours and attending the IA.

if that person writing that truly IS someone from PBA it just goes to figure... with MORE smoke and mirrors preceeded by lies.

and "former IUPA member"...PBA was 90% done withour contract??? holy crap!?! Oh wait...well maybe yeah....with all the closed door/back room deals like years past?!?!?!

The ATTORNEY at the table NOW (oh thats right... PBA never HAD an attorney at the table for us) has already found where the city has violated SEVERAL state laws and violations of fair labor standards act for the past eight years! So if it take another NINE months....every single officer we represent has said then so be it!

You see we do what OUR MEMBERS WANT DONE.

When protecting the interests of ALL of your members, it takes a little more time than just looking out for a few.

Nevertheless I refuse to make this a stomping ground. Brevard was wanting answers... A few of us wrote in with the first hand truth. I wish only the best of luck!! You would be happy with IUPA if they treat you as good as they do us.

Let me get this straight, because I don't like IUPA and post that here, it must be someone from PBA. Quit drinking the punch and smell the contract going up in flames! We've made no progress at all on it. I guess you can always blame PBA again for your own ineptitude Jimmy.

An attorney at every IA? So when did Kevin Brady go to law school? Last time I checked he's been with PSL as an officer maybe four years and the military before that. If that is what you call law school, uh ok.

IUPA promised a local office when they came in and you Jimmy got the cards signed. IUPA promised an attorney for everything yet I think we all know that isn't going to happen. In fact, negotiations didn't begin until THREE MONTHS after the election because IUPA told us to save our dues money and hire our own negotiator. Where's all that strength? If we're spending so much on this attorney for negotiations, what's left for defending our members in the event of a shooting? Still waiting on that list of local attorneys IUPA provides.

I guess what you are saying, Jimmy, is that we use the labor attorney for criminal defense. That's like using a podiatrist to perform brain surgery. That's ok though, I don't plan on using IUPA for squat. We should have stayed PBA and had you not lied about what was actually going on we'd already have our contract and our pay raises, just like the Sgts and soon to be like the Lts in PSL (hmmm their represented by PBA too). Instead, we're flapping in the breeze.

That's ok. I'm out of here soon enough.

If you think IUPA is so great, start your own board for Port St Lucie PD and get off ours. The Coastal Florida PBA has done an excellent job for us and we're happy to have them. After all, they are the ones that got us the right to collectively bargain in the first place.

The CFPBA sued then Sheriff Phil Williams and took the case to the Florida Supreme Court where the PBA won its case guarenteeing not only us but all deputies in Florida the right to collectively bargain and get labor agreements.

As a former State Law Enforcment Officer I can tell you that they were glad to get rid of IUPA and you will be too. It took the State 5 years to figure it out and go back to PBA, I doubt it'll take your officers that long as IUPA has gone downhill fast since then.

Go find your own board IUPA.

REally?
Let's look at the IUPA lost list:
1. Florida State Law Enforcement
2. Florida Highway Patrol
3. Jupiter PD Officers
4. Jupiter PD Lieutenants
5. Clermont PD

Who else do they represent? Oh, hey, Bell Glades. Woo. What about all 20 at North Miami Beach. Yay.

Get a CLUE! IUPA doesn't even lobby the Florida legislature to improve our working conditions in Florida. Their last lobbyist, Chris Moya, was fired for inability to perform. PBA has twenty lobbyists working daily on Florida's law enforcement legislation.
Yeah I support PBA. That's because PBA is producing! What has IUPA done for PSLPD's contract? NOTHING! They are less than half way done with the contract after negotiating since August. That's 8 months! The PBA was almost 90% done.
I challenge you to show where IUPA has done one thing better. One thing! No local attorneys. No local office. No local staff reps. No service. That is what IUPA has done for PSL. Thank you Jimmy. Thank you.

Clermont is still with IUPA, the state unit is 1 unit and Jupitor is 1 unit.

Troopers have split off of the rest of State Law enforcement and have their own bargaining unit. Clermont is currently decertifying IUPA. Jupiter has it's own Lieutenants unit, just like PSL.

We all know who the problem is at the PBA! Until he is gone I'm for IUPA or FOP! I think we are riding a sinking ship! Abandon ship! :oops:

I spoke with an officer in Clermont, they are not decertifying from IUPA. The Sergeants just voted down an 8%,8%,8% plus 6% retro! :shock: Where do I sign up for IUPA? :D

LAND O' LAKES - Pasco County sheriff's detention deputies have voted 132-62 not to retain union membership.
Brian Deehan, immediate past president of the detention deputies' union, said the majority "thought we were best-suited without" Fraternal Order of Police representation.
"I just felt we could represent ourselves better than the FOP can," Deehan said. "The reason it came about is we believe in Maj. Brian Head, who oversees jail operations, and we stand by Sheriff Bob White. That's what the bottom line is."
Votes were cast Tuesday and Wednesday at the jails in Land O' Lakes and New Port Richey. The votes were tallied Wednesday evening by the Public Employees Relations Commission.
Officials said 253 of the deputies who work at the jails were eligible to vote.
White didn't have anything to do with the vote and will continue working with his deputies whether they are part of a union or not, agency spokesman Kevin Doll said.
Bill Hastings, who represented detention deputies for the FOP, said they were not at a contract impasse with White, as are the law enforcement deputies, who include those on patrol.

If Clermont isn't leaving, why am I holding valid blue cards from Clermont PD? I guess the IUPA rumor mill is still hard at work. What about North Miami? Seems they are going back to Dade County PBA.

My name is Jeremy Kevitt, I am the president of the Clemont Police Officers Union local 6013 (IUPA). PBA is not being considered by us at this time. In fact, we chose to move from PBA to IUPA several years ago and we will not be going back to PBA. We currently have a contract and are happy with IUPA as we are already negotiating another contract with a substancial raise and benefit package increase. If any one has any questions about the validity of this message please feel free to contact me by leaving a voice message at CPD px 352-394-5588 or thru IUPA office 1-800-247-4872.

We need a new union, The PBA must go! We need a union that will stand behind us! Our contract is up this year, we need a union that will fight for us on our next contract! Melbourne and Port Saint Lucie P.D. voted out Coastal PBA last year and their very happy they did. I say that we make the change![/i][/b]

Obviously, this was posted before melbourne voted down the contract FOP delivered. So who is happy.....? Please tell me so that I can talk to them directly.

The V.P. from Port St Lucie sounds happy. Read the post above. Do you know why Melbourne voted down their contract?

[goldstar]

We need a new union, The PBA must go! We need a union that will stand behind us! Our contract is up this year, we need a union that will fight for us on our next contract! Melbourne and Port Saint Lucie P.D. voted out Coastal PBA last year and their very happy they did. I say that we make the change![/i][/b]

The only problem I've seen with Coastal PBA is that they have grown too much and try to cover too many agencies. I think if they split into two groups and cover a much smaller geographical area, that would lead to better, more localized service. Another option would be to move from Coastal PBA to Central Florida PBA, based in Orlando.

I don't think moving to FOP or IUPA is the answer, since they also have agencies that are unhappy with their service.

Coastal getting bigger? If we are growing, why is the union office shrinking? :shock:

Have you seen the new office? Compared to that dump in the cowfield its the Taj Mahal...... Atleast now they have a real office, not an old house. Seems like things are finally changing for the better.

Why is the PBA building a "Taj Mahal" for an office with our dues money? Shouldn't we have a say in how are dues money is spent? I guess not!

REad the entire post, sheesh. ".... Compared to that dump in the cowfield its the Taj Mahal.."

Hey cop from south florida here and used to work for you guys. Anyhow BPA member here and we have a strong union here in Broward County. Dont know about Dade County PBA, but we are happy. FtLauderdale is FOP and they got screwed.

It doesn't sound like you guys are happy reading the posts on your leo site.

Hey cop from south florida here and used to work for you guys. Anyhow BPA member here and we have a strong union here in Broward County. Dont know about Dade County PBA, but we are happy. FtLauderdale is FOP and they got screwed.

We're happy here with PBA. Its just those with personal agendas looking to attack what we're doing here. PSL voted PBA out in August and went with IUPA. Since then, PBA has gotten substantial raises for three bargaining units in PSL (Sgts union, Lts union, and civilians) and IUPA is still fumbling around at the table with no end in sight. The LTs union voted PBA in after IUPA was voted in and they still got their contract done and signed with checks coming. IUPA? nothing.
Melbourne voted PBA out and they still don't have a contract. That's why places like Atlantic Beach, Cocoa PD, and other FOP units are leaving FOP to go to the PBA. Speaking of Cocoa, they had FOP and FOP was at the table for three years on ONE contract negotiations. They voted FOP out and PBA got it done in 12 months with raises.
As for me, I'll stay PBA.

IUPA got the Sgts in Clermont an 8%, 8%, 8%

I don't know a thing about IUPA or FOP but the PBA has gotta go. Try calling your rep or VP to get information on things that are going on and sit around waiting for a call back. Try and corner about why he doesn't return your phone calls and listen to his weaselly little excuses about why he can't call you back and tells you to call the Daytona office. Why should I call them when I've got you standing in front of me? Aren't you a VP in that union? Try calling up the Daytona office to talk to their lawyer and find out they don't have one because she "went on to pursue other interests" which is a b.s. way of saying she got canned. What are we paying for?

I hear Rich C. is now the IUPA Rep for our area.

The FOP's leagal protection progam is the worst. Last I heard they are going broke!

The above messgae says that the Sgt's settled in Port St Lucie. This is true, but they sold out to the city. The vote was 17 to 14. Not approved by a solid vote. With the PBA and Sgt's selling out for low wages on this contract, they hurt the Police Officers union which went to IUPA>

Oh by the way, the labor attorney supplied by IUPA at the bargaining table has made a HUGE difference in changing the wording of many articles of the contract. This should have been caught by the PBA attorneys years ago when they are suppose to check the TA'd contract before ratification.

The city does not like negotiating with the IUPA labor attorney at the table. To intimidating for them With the PBA you only get a staff rep at the table and no legal advice when desperately needed.

Unfortunately, due to the PBA attorneys imcompetence and letting certain wording get approved in all the contracts in Coastal Florida, it's a wonder anyone would want their lousy legal help or opinion.

PSL is UNITED. Our members are happy with IUPA and do not second guess voting them in. IT IS STILL THE BEST MOVE WE HAVE EVER MADE, NO REGRETS.

HO HO HO, Coastal must go.

[dan1065cf]

Paragraph 3..."not a girl".....Holy CRAP there is a lawsuit....if you have ANYTHING to do with the PBA your an idiot for opening that sexist door. Here go more dues down the drain due to a stupid posting.. Good Grief

You make the IUPA or FOP look good! We need a new union!

Maybe Nate Ingram, Vince Champion or Scotty Pikus can take over and be the new PBA Attorney. It couldn't get any worse, or COULD IT ????

Heck, they probably know a little more (just a little) than the attorneys they keep hiring to represent us. It's a disgrace what they have representing us. Time for a change.

Paragraph 3..."not a girl".....Holy CRAP there is a lawsuit....if you have ANYTHING to do with the PBA your an idiot for opening that sexist door. Here go more dues down the drain due to a stupid posting.. Good Grief


I'm amazed at the level of stupidity displayed by one or two people posting on here and having discussions with themselves in an attempt to stir up trouble.
Let's address some of the posts so far:

1.Maria Kazouris, General Counsel, resigned because she has cancer. Period. It caught everyone by surprise as she was doing well and winning cases. Val Shealey was hired to replace her after her departure. His bio will be posted on the CFPBA website soon as he comes from an employment and discrimination law background.

2.The "letter" from "PBA Executive Committee" was not posted by anyone associated with the PBA. In fact, it more than likely came from a former staff member or former board member. Many of you know why the staffer was terminated (ironically he now works for IUPA) and the board member removed.

If you have to hide who you are to post here, I guess it says alot about who you are. If you have questions, contact the CFPBA and we'll address them. If there are legitimate questions, I'll answer those as well.

We all know the letter you’re referring to originate out of the PBA. Only the sender can delete their posting unless it violated Leoaffairs standards and it didn’t. Nice try! :roll:

We all know the letter you’re referring to originate out of the PBA. Only the sender can delete their posting unless it violated Leoaffairs standards and it didn’t. Nice try! :roll:


After talking with the owner of LEOAFFAIRS, it appears that the moderator removed the post. On a side note, once again it says alot that you are afraid to put your real name on your posts, "Guest".

Paragraph 3..."not a girl".....Holy CRAP there is a lawsuit....if you have ANYTHING to do with the PBA your an idiot for opening that sexist door. Here go more dues down the drain due to a stupid posting.. Good Grief


I'm amazed at the level of stupidity displayed by one or two people posting on here and having discussions with themselves in an attempt to stir up trouble.
Let's address some of the posts so far:

1.Maria Kazouris, General Counsel, resigned because she has cancer. Period. It caught everyone by surprise as she was doing well and winning cases. Val Shealey was hired to replace her after her departure. His bio will be posted on the CFPBA website soon as he comes from an employment and discrimination law background.

2.The "letter" from "PBA Executive Committee" was not posted by anyone associated with the PBA. In fact, it more than likely came from a former staff member or former board member. Many of you know why the staffer was terminated (ironically he now works for IUPA) and the board member removed.

If you have to hide who you are to post here, I guess it says alot about who you are. If you have questions, contact the CFPBA and we'll address them. If there are legitimate questions, I'll answer those as well.


Yea right! The letter stated how great the PBA is and how they have a new (male) Attorney. I’m sure a former board member or employee is going to take the time and write a letter promoting the PBA. Please! The PBA needs to think before they write!

We all know the letter you’re referring to originate out of the PBA. Only the sender can delete their posting unless it violated Leoaffairs standards and it didn’t. Nice try! :roll:


After talking with the owner of LEOAFFAIRS, it appears that the moderator removed the post. On a side note, once again it says alot that you are afraid to put your real name on your posts, "Guest".


Nate, thank you for removing the letter it was the right thing to do!

[Nate Ingram, CFPBA]

We all know the letter you’re referring to originate out of the PBA. Only the sender can delete their posting unless it violated Leoaffairs standards and it didn’t. Nice try! :roll:


After talking with the owner of LEOAFFAIRS, it appears that the moderator removed the post. On a side note, once again it says alot that you are afraid to put your real name on your posts, "Guest".


Nate, thank you for removing the letter it was the right thing to do!


It was removed prior to me getting onto this website today. You can confirm this with C.D. who manages the website.

I think all of you as Reps, Officer, & grown men should be greatful to the PBA for bringing collective bargining to you. The child like behavior you all display for ones beliefs of following the union of their choice is really a disgrace to your profession. You people need to grow up and move on. Grow up and help each other to build the union of your choice. Let your fellow officers choose the union of their choice and see the good works (or not) they do. They will see! You don't need to slander any single person here because you don't get along with that person. How old are you?



PLEASE GROW UP AND BE THE MAN SHOULD BE!

I'm amazed at the level of stupidity displayed by one or two people posting on here and having discussions with themselves in an attempt to stir up trouble.
Let's address some of the posts so far:

1.Maria Kazouris, General Counsel, resigned because she has cancer. Period. It caught everyone by surprise as she was doing well and winning cases. Val Shealey was hired to replace her after her departure. His bio will be posted on the CFPBA website soon as he comes from an employment and discrimination law background.

2.The "letter" from "PBA Executive Committee" was not posted by anyone associated with the PBA. In fact, it more than likely came from a former staff member or former board member. Many of you know why the staffer was terminated (ironically he now works for IUPA) and the board member removed.

If you have to hide who you are to post here, I guess it says alot about who you are. If you have questions, contact the CFPBA and we'll address them. If there are legitimate questions, I'll answer those as well.

If she really did leave on her own, it's probably not because of cancer. If she's off battling cancer, what's she doing working for a law firm in Pasco County? And this new guy Shealey, he's not a labor lawyer. Go look at his website: http://www.weseekjustice.com. Click on practice areas on that website and there's no labor/employment law listed. Go look at his profile on the Florida Bar's website (http://www.flabar.org) and he's got PERSONAL INJURY listed in his practice area.

I urge all of you BCSO guys to go and check this guy Shealey out. Or else you can join a true professional organization that has many experienced labor lawyers on retainer. Think about it, would you go to a foot doctor to have brain surgery? No! Two totally different practice areas. So why would you entrust your career to some personal injury attorney?

You are a disgrace to the profession! If all the effort you put into bashing Nate Ingram & the PBA was put into works you wouldn't have to get onto this website and act like infant who just soiled his pants. Grow up and move on......I am sure you can find something better to cry over. :snicker:

You are a disgrace to the profession! If all the effort you put into bashing Nate Ingram & the PBA was put into works you wouldn't have to get onto this website and act like infant who just soiled his pants. Grow up and move on......I am sure you can find something better to cry over. :snicker:

Hey Signal 20, are you Nate Ingram? Are you upset that nobody else is coming to your defense on this board so you're coming in and trying to defend yourself? So do it and explain to us about your new attorney like Officer J.W. posted. I saw that guy's website, and J.W. was right, he doesn't have any labor law experience, he's a personal injury lawyer. What is it with Vince Champion? Get Vince on this board so we can ask him.

You guys are worse than teenage girls. Instead of doing your job you would rather bash your co-workers via internet, instead of going to them directly to try and fix the problem. Get a hobby and move on.

[Nate Ingram, CFPBA]

[quote="You are a signal 20!":x3c5lz8r]You are a disgrace to the profession! If all the effort you put into bashing Nate Ingram & the PBA was put into works you wouldn't have to get onto this website and act like infant who just soiled his pants. Grow up and move on......I am sure you can find something better to cry over. :snicker:

Hey Signal 20, are you Nate Ingram? Are you upset that nobody else is coming to your defense on this board so you're coming in and trying to defend yourself? So do it and explain to us about your new attorney like Officer J.W. posted. I saw that guy's website, and J.W. was right, he doesn't have any labor law experience, he's a personal injury lawyer. What is it with Vince Champion? Get Vince on this board so we can ask him.[/quote:x3c5lz8r]


Jim Weinert,
How is IUPA doing at PSL? Let's see. At impasse with no end in sight.... All of the contracts with the CFPBA/PEA in PSL have been settled for months with raises already paid to the members with thousands of dollars coming in for Sgts and Lts. It's too bad that you have not been able to get what you promised your members. That's not surprising since IUPA followed through on none of its promises.

Let's review:
1. Local office - not done
2. Full time local attorney - not done
3. Local control - not done
4. Attorneys at every IA - not done

Now, you have Rich Clements working for you and IUPA. That's a smart move on your part. The BCSO deputies were glad to see him go.

By the way, the blue cards are coming as the PSL cops are fed up with your empty promises.

Well Natie boy. :devil: :devil:

Let's review as you stated:
1) We don't need a local office. All of our board of Directors are officers with PSL. Not from Daytona Beach which is over 200 miles and 3 hours away. The are only blocks away when needed, not hundred of miles away like the PBA.
2) We have a full time local attorney handling our needs, even have a labor attorney at the bargaining table, which the PBA never supplied. Besides, the attorneys you supply, who would want them.
3) Local control is done an d in our hands. Boy is it nice.
4) We don't need attorney's at every IA. We couldn't use the attorneys the PBA supplied, due to the Coastal PBA being in bed with the administration.

As far as the blue cards, good luck, our department will never go back to the PBA. REMBER THE VOTE WAS 126 TO 11 IN FAVOR OF IUPA and TO GET RID OF THE PBA. Believe us nothing has changed, we don't want the PBA back. :devil:

By the way did you ever let anyone see the "Financial Books" ???? What were you hiding ???? Seems strange, that you do not allow any representative, Vice President or member look at the books. Once again, one can only imagine what the would find and what you are hiding by refusing to show your financial books.

You are right about something, the PBA/Sgt's settled their contract and sold out for low wages. The ratification vote was 17 to 14 in favor. Being that the raises benefited the new Sgt's and that's where most of them are, that's why it passed. They sold out, plain and simple.[/b]

Now on the other hand, our IUPA members are united and standing pat. The Board of Directors are looking out for everyone and a whole, not just a select group. When the proposals are fair and equal for everyone involved, that's when we will approve it.

Well Natie boy. :devil: :devil:

Let's review as you stated:
1) We don't need a local office. All of our board of Directors are officers with PSL. Not from Daytona Beach which is over 200 miles and 3 hours away. The are only blocks away when needed, not hundred of miles away like the PBA.
2) We have a full time local attorney handling our needs, even have a labor attorney at the bargaining table, which the PBA never supplied. Besides, the attorneys you supply, who would want them.
3) Local control is done an d in our hands.[/b]
4) We don't need attorney's at every IA. We couldn't use the attorneys the PBA supplied, due to the Coastal PBA being in bed with the administration.

As far as the blue cards, good luck, our department will never go back to the PBA. REMBER THE VOTE WAS 126 TO 11 IN FAVOR OF IUPA and TO GET RID OF THE PBA. Believe us nothing has changed, we don't want the PBA back. :devil:

By the way did you ever let anyone see the "Financial Books" ???? What were you hiding ???? Seems strange, that you do not allow any representative, Vice President or member look at the books. Once again, one can only imagine what the would find and what you are hiding by refusing to show your financial books.

You are right about something, the PBA/Sgt's settled their contract and sold out for low wages. The ratification vote was 17 to 14 in favor. Being that the raises benefited the new Sgt's and that's where most of them are, that's why it passed. They sold out, plain and simple.[/b]

Now on the other hand, our IUPA members are united and standing pat. The Board of Directors are looking out for everyone and a whole, not just a select group. When the proposals are fair and equal for everyone involved, that's when we will approve it.

Ahhh Jimmy Boy. Mr. Ingram's already posted on here. Guess again!
Where is that local office you promised them Jimmy Boy?
Where's that attorney for EVERY IA you promised JImmy Boy?
Why did you try to hiire Steve M (the PBA negotiator) to do the contract?
Why did it take three months to begin negotiations? ( IUPA wouldn't pay for it would they? tsk tsk)
We'll see about those members.

This PBA v. IUPA argument isn't productive. If you dislike the PBA so much then you don't have to be a member, drop out. They're still the bargaining rep until a majority of us say so so quit complaining about them until we have another union that can come in and offer a better alternative. Or maybe no union is the way to go. I think Nassau County SO has kicked out PBA and FOP and they're not alone. There are lots of SO's without unions and maybe we should go that way too. Rather than sitting here arguing over who has better attorneys or who promised what. Sheriff Parker is a fair guy who's always dealt with me fairly on the few times I've gotten to deal with him and his staff, so what are we gaining by having a union when we don't need protection in the first place? :?:

Let's get one thing straight. I never promised a local office. Why would we need one when all of our Board of Officers live next door to our members. They don't live 200 miles and 3 hours away. Every time we needed an attorney, you would send Brennan 200 miles to us. We didn't want him. You could have sent a local paralegal from PSL that would have done a better job than your attorneys.

We never have or would hire Steve M. I don't know where you got that misinformation from. Better do your homework before you make statements like that. We have a well known Labor Attorney at the table from a well know frim representing us. Why would we want Steve M he wasn't any better than the others supplied by the PBA.

As far as the Vice President, that's the office I decided to run for. Anyone knows you can't put your name on a ballot for every office. I chose to run for VP and won just like the previous 10 years as a rep for the PBA. You failed to address the service you provide going down hill each and every year. I warned you for years and you failed to respond and correct the problem. Instead you placed blame instead of accepting blame. You know what, this very attitude you are displaying cost you Melbourne PD and Port St Lucie PD.

In closing, if you don't accept some blame, I will say, you will lose more police departments to IUPA and FOP. Guaranteed.

LOL If everything you said was true it would have been bought to surface a long time ago. All finances were shown to everyone two PBA meetings ago and we were also told that we could come to see the books anytime we wanted. There were no questions by anyone so the old crap your are bringing up from the past has been put fourth for everyone to see and you would have known that if you were still a member......LOL You cannot divide us BCSO....... If you would stop being a caustic
trouble maker you would see growth instead of division. Or maybe I need to use cartoons to make you understand what I am trying to say..... :devil:

LOL If everything you said was true it would have been bought to surface a long time ago. All finances were shown to everyone two PBA meetings ago and we were also told that we could come to see the books anytime we wanted. There were no questions by anyone so the old crap your are bringing up from the past has been put fourth for everyone to see and you would have known that if you were still a member......LOL You cannot divide us BCSO....... If you would stop being a caustic
trouble maker you would see growth instead of division. Or maybe I need to use cartoons to make you understand what I am trying to say..... :devil:



Ask Nate to see all credit card charges under $500.00! I'm not asking you to I'm daring you! :evil:

LOL If everything you said was true it would have been bought to surface a long time ago. All finances were shown to everyone two PBA meetings ago and we were also told that we could come to see the books anytime we wanted. There were no questions by anyone so the old crap your are bringing up from the past has been put fourth for everyone to see and you would have known that if you were still a member......LOL You cannot divide us BCSO....... If you would stop being a caustic
trouble maker you would see growth instead of division. Or maybe I need to use cartoons to make you understand what I am trying to say..... :devil:



Ask Nate to see all credit card charges under $500.00! I'm not asking you to I'm daring you! :evil:


I've seen the books and there's numbers in them!!!! Holy Sh*T! who'd a thought there was numbers? BCSO lady is right. We got to see the books at the Board of Directors meeting in Titusville. All of the books with the expenses listed even the small ones. There's no mystery there Jimmy Boy!

LOL If everything you said was true it would have been bought to surface a long time ago. All finances were shown to everyone two PBA meetings ago and we were also told that we could come to see the books anytime we wanted. There were no questions by anyone so the old crap your are bringing up from the past has been put fourth for everyone to see and you would have known that if you were still a member......LOL You cannot divide us BCSO....... If you would stop being a caustic
trouble maker you would see growth instead of division. Or maybe I need to use cartoons to make you understand what I am trying to say..... :devil:



Ask Nate to see all credit card charges under $500.00! I'm not asking you to I'm daring you! :evil:


Incase you didn't understand me the first time, I said they showed us everything at the board meeting....Do I need to draw you a picture to help you understand that? They explained every expense and gave us a balance as to the total left in the account. Why are you trying to stir up the same trouble you have for years? It's getting old. As for Mr. Ingram he seems to know his job and how to do it well. I am sorry that angers you. Perhaps if you were on better terms with the PBA you would feel differently. All of us at BSCO are very greatful for all the hard work Cpl. Pikus has done for us. If it were not for him were would not be where we are today and neither would you. You may not like him but you still should be thankful for all his hard work & dedication. We have a great relationship with our sheriff & we are able so resolve any issues at hand. I am so sorry you don't have that there.

You could only wish you had half of the integrity and professionalism that Vince Champion has. He has always been fair and honest. Which brings me to believe that only someone like you who has so much anger and likes to spread lies, could only be angry because you can't be anything close to what they have accomplished. He has the respect of co-workers and memebers of the PBA. He is the perfect role model for all future and in your case current law enforcement officers. Sorry that makes you such an angry person.

Vince is always where he needs to be. He is always ready to help and explain any questions or concerns anyone has. He is an excellent officer, friend, teacher and unlike you a gentleman. You only wish you could accomplish half of what he has done to help all of us in law enforcement. Why don't you try to do half of the things he has to do. Get involved.

I'm amazed by one or two people posting on here and having discussions with themselves in an attempt to stir up trouble.
Let's address some of the posts so far:

1.Maria Kazouris, General Counsel, resigned because she has cancer. Period. It caught everyone by surprise as she was doing well and winning cases. Val Shealey was hired to replace her after her departure. His bio will be posted on the CFPBA website soon as he comes from an employment and discrimination law background.

If you have to hide who you are to post here, I guess it says alot about who you are. If you have questions, contact the CFPBA and we'll address them. If there are legitimate questions, I'll answer those as well.

Okay Nate, so where's the bio on your new attorney? You still have Maria listed as the attorney in the staff section of your website. Hell, the last "news article" you have on your website is from late May. Not much going on at the PBA to brag about huh? Or did you fire the new guy already after someone on here pointed out the truth that he doesn't have an employment law background as you falsely claimed several days ago? You've been strangely silent under your real name, Nate, and it's not like you're too busy to post on here.

To my fellow deputies. I just wish you would realize that we are Coastal Florida PBA's biggest bargaining unit.

All of our money is going to support all those smaller departments that really do not pay for themselves. Yes, we are paying the biggest chunk and receiving the least amount of service.

Just think, if we leave to go to IUPA or FOP, we would control our own destiny and all the money would be used JUST FOR OUR AGENCY. Why are we supporting all the other agencies. Is this really fair.

If we leave it will be goodbye to Vince and Nate. The PBA wouldn't be able to supply the services to the other agencies withour our money. What do they give for our dues, only excuses and lies.

To my fellow deputies. I just wish you would realize that we are Coastal Florida PBA's biggest bargaining unit.

All of our money is going to support all those smaller departments that really do not pay for themselves. Yes, we are paying the biggest chunk and receiving the least amount of service.

Just think, if we leave to go to IUPA or FOP, we would control our own destiny and all the money would be used JUST FOR OUR AGENCY. Why are we supporting all the other agencies. Is this really fair.

If we leave it will be goodbye to Vince and Nate. The PBA wouldn't be able to supply the services to the other agencies withour our money. What do they give for our dues, only excuses and lies.

I've been looking at this board and am disgusted by the personal attacks going back and forth. Is this really solving anything? I appreciate Truth Be Told's post as it is free from any personal attacks and lays out some good points. Let's get back on topic and discuss exactly what the PBA is doing for us and how our dues money is being spent. Yes, I know they won the right for deputies to collectively bargain, but that was years ago and it seems to me that they coast on that achievement. I have found their services to being going steadily downhill and I think it may be a time for a change as out dues money is being used to support the small agencies that they take on board. I'm very willing to hear from the FOP or IUPA about how they're different and how our dues money in those unions would be spent and who it would benefit. I would rather it benefit my fellow deputies here in the BCSO rather than an officer in Jacksonville or somewhere else.

I can honestly say that Rich was the only one in the PBA office with intregrity, knowledge and courage[/b].

My fellow deputies at Brevard SO will someday realize that their hard earned money/dues is going toward paying for all the services that the smaller departments receive from Coastal PBA. We are getting nothing in return except a lack of service that has been steadly going downhill for years. Just look at the quality of the attorney that is working for Coastal PBA. Another one with very little experience.

But if you are happy with your hard earned money being used to pay for sh--ty service by Coastal PBA, then god bless you. You will need it.

I saw on this posting thread an entry by Nate Ingram of the Coastal Florida PBA that Maria Kazuris has cancer. Is this true? Does anyone have an address, e-mail or phone number for her so we can contact her and wish her well?

[Nate Ingram, CFPBA]

I saw on this posting thread an entry by Nate Ingram of the Coastal Florida PBA that Maria Kazuris has cancer. Is this true? Does anyone have an address, e-mail or phone number for her so we can contact her and wish her well?

Cathy,

Yes she resigned due to her cancer returning and has returned to her parents home to live with them. I have not spoken with her since she left so I don't have her new contact info.

As for the rest of the postings on here, I think that to address former CFPBA Board member Jim Weinert or former CFPBA staff member Rich Clements would be pointless. Obviously they have personal axes to grind with this Association. Our financial records are open to dues paying members and are routinely reviewed by outside accountants. We maintain in house counsel as well as outside counsel to respond to our members needs from folks like Mary Jean Navaretta in Port St Lucie to Hank Cox in Jacksonville. Mrs Navaretta is a board certified labor attorney in Port St Lucie and Hank Cox is the past President of the Florida Bar. Our membership continues to grow as we have experienced a net gain in members of almost 400 members yet again.

It is sad to me that alleged law enforcement professionals ( Clements aside as he has never been in law enforcment) are attacking eachother on here, much less anonymously. If I am going to say it, I'll put my name behind it. If you can't sign your real name to what you are saying on this website, you shouldn't say it. If you post it and you hide behind a pseudonym, it shows what type of person you are.

Like I've done in other forums (http://www.flstatecop.com and others), i'll post as I get time. I'll respond to valid questions with valid answers. If it's stated in my posts, I can back it with facts. Yes, Weinert, I'll post your emails/flyers where you told your membership that you were going to get them an office if they went to IUPA as I saved them all. It won't matter, though, as you'll just deny it anyway. Maybe I'll post your article that you wrote in the CFPBA newsletter about the CFPBA being the best organization out there. There's no way you can deny that as it is your own words less than a year before the move to IUPA.

The Brevard deputies that I have had the pleasure of meeting have been true professionals. I would be shocked if they behaved like some of the posts on here suggest. That leaves me with the clear impression that only someone who is not truly a Brevard Deputy is making the anonymous posts on this website. I have spoken with C.B. about tracking the IPs of the "anonymous" posters to prevent the same person from posting under a variety of pseudonyms. That should get this forum back on track.

If you are a member of the CFPBA and have any questions or comments, feel free to contact me.

Nate

I'm sure you all haven't noticed, because it's not something that the Coastal Florida PBA will brag about on their website, but they just lost ANOTHER unfair labor practice that they filed, this one against the Flagler County Sheriff's Office. Was this filed a labor attorney? No, it was filed by staff rep Johnny D. Bingham, and promptly thrown out by the PERC General Counsel Steve Meck for among other reasons, Johnny not citing to the proper law (and citing to the contract, rather than the law) in his unfair labor practice charge and for NOT INCLUDING A COPY OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT with his unfair labor practice charge.

http://perc.myflorida.com/co/orderResul ... &Prefix=CA

Case number 2008-CA-066, Coastal Florida PBA v. Flagler County Sheriff's Office, dismissed in two days.

Better than Shealey, but not a labor lawyer.


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You could only wish you had half of the integrity and professionalism that Vince Champion has. He has always been fair and honest. Which brings me to believe that only someone like you who has so much anger and likes to spread lies, could only be angry because you can't be anything close to what they have accomplished. He has the respect of co-workers and memebers of the PBA. He is the perfect role model for all future and in your case current law enforcement officers. Sorry that makes you such an angry person.

I agree with "JONES". I have to say I am very angered by the way my fellow officers act on here. The personal punches made to people make me sick to my stomach. Grow up men and handle this without bashing dead people!! Man, you are going to have to explain alot.....have your ducks in a row! :!:


Why would we want to be in a union that you guys belong to if this is the way they handle things? Geeez.......I am not sure if it is "Trailer Park Tactics" or "Jerry Springer"!

You could only wish you had half of the integrity and professionalism that Vince Champion has. He has always been fair and honest. Which brings me to believe that only someone like you who has so much anger and likes to spread lies, could only be angry because you can't be anything close to what they have accomplished. He has the respect of co-workers and memebers of the PBA. He is the perfect role model for all future and in your case current law enforcement officers. Sorry that makes you such an angry person.

I agree with "JONES". I have to say I am very angered by the way my fellow officers act on here. The personal punches made to people make me sick to my stomach. Grow up men and handle this without bashing dead people!! Man, you are going to have to explain alot.....have your ducks in a row! :!:


Why would we want to be in a union that you guys belong to if this is the way they handle things? Geeez.......I am not sure if it is "Trailer Park Tactics" or "Jerry Springer"!

What? Are you turning a blind eye to posts on here? you need to take care of your members and quit posting on this site all day! If you put as much energy in servicing the members as you do posting on this site we might not be loosing these departments! GEEZZZ!

You could only wish you had half of the integrity and professionalism that Vince Champion has. He has always been fair and honest. Which brings me to believe that only someone like you who has so much anger and likes to spread lies, could only be angry because you can't be anything close to what they have accomplished. He has the respect of co-workers and memebers of the PBA. He is the perfect role model for all future and in your case current law enforcement officers. Sorry that makes you such an angry person.

I agree with "JONES". I have to say I am very angered by the way my fellow officers act on here. The personal punches made to people make me sick to my stomach. Grow up men and handle this without bashing dead people!! Man, you are going to have to explain alot.....have your ducks in a row! :!:

You are right. My behavior has been very unprofessional and all the pesonal attacks were uncalled for.


Why would we want to be in a union that you guys belong to if this is the way they handle things? Geeez.......I am not sure if it is "Trailer Park Tactics" or "Jerry Springer"!

Although I wish former PBA Attorney Maria Kazouris the best on a full recovery and hope everything works out well for her, lets face it, she was another unqualified and inexperienced attorney hired by Coastal PBA. When will it stop.

Maybe if Vince Champion stopped taking a salary as the president of Coastal PBA (remind you he is also being paid as a police officer), his presidents pay could be applied toward the salary of hiring a good qualified attorney for the first time in the history of Coastal PBA, and maybe one that would remain for more than a year.

What did we go through now ???? About 9 attorneys in 7 years. This is ridiculous.

Hey Deputy Man,

Quote of the day:

Michael Phelps has won about the same amount of Gold Medals in about the same amount of time as, Coastal Florida PBA hired and fired about the same amount of unqualified attorneys in about the same amount of time.

Well now we know Coastal FL PBA would finally win a Gold Medal for something.

Although I wish former PBA Attorney Maria Kazouris the best on a full recovery and hope everything works out well for her, lets face it, she was another unqualified and inexperienced attorney hired by Coastal PBA. When will it stop.

Maybe if Vince Champion stopped taking a salary as the president of Coastal PBA (remind you he is also being paid as a police officer), his presidents pay could be applied toward the salary of hiring a good qualified attorney for the first time in the history of Coastal PBA, and maybe one that would remain for more than a year.

What did we go through now ???? About 9 attorneys in 7 years. This is ridiculous.

Maybe, someone with the balls the size of yours who seems to do nothing but complain could perhaps run for president..........nah, you wouldn't want to put into it as much as Vince ha,s which has taken away a lot of time from his children & wife. You can't because you are one of the very "FEW" that were kicked out. No one on my department has any problems and we are very happy with the PBA. Sorry that angers you......but I have come to realize that by the postings on here you are the same person over and over that posting blogs against the PBA. Everything you say and do is repetative and obvious. So all the childish rumors you have tried to start only make all of us in my department laugh at you but at the same time it angers us because you belittle our profession.

Although I wish former PBA Attorney Maria Kazouris the best on a full recovery and hope everything works out well for her, lets face it, she was another unqualified and inexperienced attorney hired by Coastal PBA. When will it stop.

Maybe if Vince Champion stopped taking a salary as the president of Coastal PBA (remind you he is also being paid as a police officer), his presidents pay could be applied toward the salary of hiring a good qualified attorney for the first time in the history of Coastal PBA, and maybe one that would remain for more than a year.

What did we go through now ???? About 9 attorneys in 7 years. This is ridiculous.

The problem is they don't want qualified attorneys to work for them and tell them that they're wrong on the actions that they take. The PBA would rather file a ULP that it absolutely has no chance of winning so they can appear to be "fighting" for the membership. Check out the link on that Bingham ULP, that guy really screwed that up according to the PERC decision, but why was he filing it in the first place? Where was the legal counsel to review that case and tell the PBA that they didn't have a leg to stand on? Either the attorney was a moron, or they were just grateful to have a job because nobody else would hire their screwed up butt. I guess that's the secret, hire inexperienced attorneys that nobody else wants so they can be told what to do and do it without argument. I just don't know why Nate or Vince won't go to law school, get a law license and then play lawyer themselves, cut out the middle man and keep that forty thousand bucks that they're paying the PBA "attorney".

Maybe, someone with the balls the size of yours who seems to do nothing but complain could perhaps run for president..........nah, you wouldn't want to put into it as much as Vince ha,s which has taken away a lot of time from his children & wife. You can't because you are one of the very "FEW" that were kicked out. No one on my department has any problems and we are very happy with the PBA. Sorry that angers you......but I have come to realize that by the postings on here you are the same person over and over that posting blogs against the PBA. Everything you say and do is repetative and obvious. So all the childish rumors you have tried to start only make all of us in my department laugh at you but at the same time it angers us because you belittle our profession.

Oh please BCSO Lady. St. Vincent doesn't spend any more time away from his wife and kids than anyone else. Or have you forgotten he takes them along to all the PBA Board Meetings and Conferences he attends? All those years the PBA held the board meetings at that hotel near Disney World (probably so Pat McGuire could be near all the kids) Vince took his wife and kids with him, and probably on the PBA dime. I'm sure this post will be deleted as it seems anything on this string mildly critical of St. Vincent gets deleted, but the fact remains he's over-compensated for the small amount of time he doesn't spend with his family.

[quote="BCSO Lady":2ddski52]

Maybe, someone with the balls the size of yours who seems to do nothing but complain could perhaps run for president..........nah, you wouldn't want to put into it as much as Vince ha,s which has taken away a lot of time from his children & wife. You can't because you are one of the very "FEW" that were kicked out. No one on my department has any problems and we are very happy with the PBA. Sorry that angers you......but I have come to realize that by the postings on here you are the same person over and over that posting blogs against the PBA. Everything you say and do is repetative and obvious. So all the childish rumors you have tried to start only make all of us in my department laugh at you but at the same time it angers us because you belittle our profession.

Oh please BCSO Lady. St. Vincent doesn't spend any more time away from his wife and kids than anyone else. Or have you forgotten he takes them along to all the PBA Board Meetings and Conferences he attends? All those years the PBA held the board meetings at that hotel near Disney World (probably so Pat McGuire could be near all the kids) Vince took his wife and kids with him, and probably on the PBA dime. I'm sure this post will be deleted as it seems anything on this string mildly critical of St. Vincent gets deleted, but the fact remains he's over-compensated for the small amount of time he doesn't spend with his family.[/quote:2ddski52]


Forget IUPA & PBA GO FOP

The problem is they don't want qualified attorneys to work for them and tell them that they're wrong on the actions that they take. The PBA would rather file a ULP that it absolutely has no chance of winning so they can appear to be "fighting" for the membership. Check out the link on that Bingham ULP, that guy really screwed that up according to the PERC decision, but why was he filing it in the first place? Where was the legal counsel to review that case and tell the PBA that they didn't have a leg to stand on? Either the attorney was a moron, or they were just grateful to have a job because nobody else would hire their screwed up butt. I guess that's the secret, hire inexperienced attorneys that nobody else wants so they can be told what to do and do it without argument. I just don't know why Nate or Vince won't go to law school, get a law license and then play lawyer themselves, cut out the middle man and keep that forty thousand bucks that they're paying the PBA "attorney".

That's the funniest thing I've read on this board in a long time. Vince and Nate would both have to go to college, spend four years there, then go to law school and spend three years there, and then pass the bar exam. Let's just say I wouldn't hold my breath on that ever happening, even the graduating from college part, let alone the law school and bar exam. Guess they'll have to keep hiring incompetent attorneys that just managed to pass the bar themselves.

[quote="No Control":3j0ygpx3]

The problem is they don't want qualified attorneys to work for them and tell them that they're wrong on the actions that they take. The PBA would rather file a ULP that it absolutely has no chance of winning so they can appear to be "fighting" for the membership. Check out the link on that Bingham ULP, that guy really screwed that up according to the PERC decision, but why was he filing it in the first place? Where was the legal counsel to review that case and tell the PBA that they didn't have a leg to stand on? Either the attorney was a moron, or they were just grateful to have a job because nobody else would hire their screwed up butt. I guess that's the secret, hire inexperienced attorneys that nobody else wants so they can be told what to do and do it without argument. I just don't know why Nate or Vince won't go to law school, get a law license and then play lawyer themselves, cut out the middle man and keep that forty thousand bucks that they're paying the PBA "attorney".

That's the funniest thing I've read on this board in a long time. Vince and Nate would both have to go to college, spend four years there, then go to law school and spend three years there, and then pass the bar exam. Let's just say I wouldn't hold my breath on that ever happening, even the graduating from college part, let alone the law school and bar exam. Guess they'll have to keep hiring incompetent attorneys that just managed to pass the bar themselves.[/quote:3j0ygpx3]

You are no more the FOP Attorney than a real cop!

You are no more the FOP Attorney than a real cop!

Not everyone posting against the PBA on here is [edit] or [edit], and I wonder if they're actually on here at all. There are plenty of people dissatisfied with the PBA's lousy "leadership" and if there weren't, 500 plus members wouldn't have left over the past couple of years.

Everyone go and check out PERC's website: http://perc.myflorida.com/ and go the clerk's office. Check and see how many R/C petitions the CFPBA has filed over the past couple of years and see what they're doing to get bigger and healthier. Signing up monster units like Atlantic Beach and St. Augustine Beach isn't going to offset the losses of PSL officers and Melbourne PD. Check and see how every Unfair Labor Practice they file winds up getting thrown out. Check back in 2006 and see how they had to pay Melbourne PD $20,000 in attorneys fees (your dues money) because their incompetent attorneys filed a ULP and lost after going to a hearing. After you spend a couple of hours on that site reviewing the incompetence and lack of leadership of the Coastal Florida PBA, call up [edit] at the Ormond Beach Police Department (don't call the PBA office, he's never there) and ask him what his vision for the PBA is other than maintaining power and that fat salary he's pulling down (more dues money). Call up the PBA office at 1-800-625-5451 and talk to [edit] and ask him why he's spending thousands of dollars in your dues money for a t.v. ad attacking John Tanner on a matter that doesn't affect those of you in Brevard County and regarding a matter that's two years old. While you have [edit] on the phone, ask him where the bio is on his new, hot-shot attorney with labor experience, the same lawyer that the Florida bar has listed as a personal injury attorney. Ask how much of your dues money is being wasted on yet another inexperienced attorney that won't do you any good in the IA office or at the table with FDLE after you use your duty weapon.

After you're done listening to [edit] b.s. about how great the PBA is and your gut fears about your dues money being wasted are unfounded, hang up the phone and call George Hachigian and find out about the FOP and what FOP can do for you!

Easier yet, go talk to Bert Gamin there at BCSO. I believe he's still the FOP local president, and if I'm not mistaken he's an alternate rep at the CFPBA too. Rather obivious to see which union he believes in more strongly.

[goldstar]

Easier yet, go talk to Bert Gamin there at BCSO. I believe he's still the FOP local president, and if I'm not mistaken he's an alternate rep at the CFPBA too. Rather obivious to see which union he believes in more strongly.

FOP? You're kidding me, right? Did you see the way their rep stuttered and stammered in front of the County Commission during one of the budget hearings - which was televised for all to see? HAHAHAHA!! No, thanks.

Easier yet, go talk to Bert Gamin there at BCSO. I believe he's still the FOP local president, and if I'm not mistaken he's an alternate rep at the CFPBA too. Rather obivious to see which union he believes in more strongly.

FOP? You're kidding me, right? Did you see the way their rep stuttered and stammered in front of the County Commission during one of the budget hearings - which was televised for all to see? HAHAHAHA!! No, thanks.

Yeah, just like we've seen the PBA reps and attorneys stutter and stammer during civil service board hearings, arbitrations, IA's and everything else. It doesn't matter whether it's to IUPA or FOP but we've gotta get out of the PBA!

IU


Easier yet, go talk to Bert Gamin there at BCSO. I believe he's still the FOP local president, and if I'm not mistaken he's an alternate rep at the CFPBA too. Rather obivious to see which union he believes in more strongly.

FOP? You're kidding me, right? Did you see the way their rep stuttered and stammered in front of the County Commission during one of the budget hearings - which was televised for all to see? HAHAHAHA!! No, thanks.

Yeah, just like we've seen the PBA reps and attorneys stutter and stammer during civil service board hearings, arbitrations, IA's and everything else. It doesn't matter whether it's to IUPA or FOP but we've gotta get out of the PBA!

IUPA is only PBA rejects and wannabes. FOP is a professional union that takes leadership to a new level.

Better than Shealey, but not a labor lawyer.


Henry Matson Coxe, III
Member in Good Standing Eligible to practice in Florida


ID Number: - 155193
Address: Bedell Dittmar Devault Et Al
101 E Adams St
Jacksonville, Florida 322023303
United States
Phone: 904.3530211
Fax: 904.3539307
E-Mail: hmc@bedellfirm.com


County: Duval
Circuit: 4
Admitted: 05/01/1973



Board Certification: Year Area
1988 Criminal Trial

Sections: Administrative Law
Criminal Law
Equal Opportunities Law
Public Interest Law

10-Year Discipline History None



Law School: Washington and Lee University School of Law
Graduation Year: 1972
Degree: Doctor of Jurisprudence/Juris Doctor


Firm: Bedell, Dittmar, DeVault, Pillans & Coxe
Website: bedellfirm.com
Firm Size: 11 to 20
Occupation: Partner / Shareholder
Practice Areas: Criminal
Martindale-Hubbell: AV Peer Review Rating


Federal Courts: U.S. Supreme Court
U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit
U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit
U.S. District Court, Middle District of Florida
State Courts: Florida
Virginia

This guy Coxe just lost an appeal before the 5th DCA on behalf of some scum DUI defendant. I'm glad he lost, but he'll fit right in with the other PBA attorneys because he can't win a case either! Check it out....

http://www.5dca.org/Opinions/Opin2008/0 ... 1108.shtml (http://www.5dca.org/Opinions/Opin2008/081108/filings081108.shtml)

5D07-2376 Wayne Syverud v. State is the case, click on the link and read the opinion.

Another PBA attorney that [edit] brags about that gets beaten down in court. Hey [edit], you ever gonna respond and defend all the lousy attorneys the PBA has hired over the years?

[quote="PBA Attorneys SUCK!!":5nczr8ev]Better than Shealey, but not a labor lawyer.


Henry Matson Coxe, III
Member in Good Standing Eligible to practice in Florida


ID Number: - 155193
Address: Bedell Dittmar Devault Et Al
101 E Adams St
Jacksonville, Florida 322023303
United States
Phone: 904.3530211
Fax: 904.3539307
E-Mail: hmc@bedellfirm.com


County: Duval
Circuit: 4
Admitted: 05/01/1973



Board Certification: Year Area
1988 Criminal Trial

Sections: Administrative Law
Criminal Law
Equal Opportunities Law
Public Interest Law

10-Year Discipline History None



Law School: Washington and Lee University School of Law
Graduation Year: 1972
Degree: Doctor of Jurisprudence/Juris Doctor


Firm: Bedell, Dittmar, DeVault, Pillans & Coxe
Website: bedellfirm.com
Firm Size: 11 to 20
Occupation: Partner / Shareholder
Practice Areas: Criminal
Martindale-Hubbell: AV Peer Review Rating


Federal Courts: U.S. Supreme Court
U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit
U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit
U.S. District Court, Middle District of Florida
State Courts: Florida
Virginia

This guy Coxe just lost an appeal before the 5th DCA on behalf of some scum DUI defendant. I'm glad he lost, but he'll fit right in with the other PBA attorneys because he can't win a case either! Check it out....

http://www.5dca.org/Opinions/Opin2008/0 ... 1108.shtml (http://www.5dca.org/Opinions/Opin2008/081108/filings081108.shtml)

5D07-2376 Wayne Syverud v. State is the case, click on the link and read the opinion.

Another PBA attorney that [edit] brags about that gets beaten down in court. Hey [edit], you ever gonna respond and defend all the lousy attorneys the PBA has hired over the years?[/quote:5nczr8ev]

[edit] Is the PBA broke? why can't we afford a good Attorny? TURN IN YOUR PBA CREDIT CARD BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! $$$$$$

Better tell [edit] and [edit] to turn their credit cards in too...oh wait, they need them to go to lunch and fight over who gets to "pay". And neither one is paying, it's the hard-working members of the PBA that pay for lunch for these guys every single day, and a lot of other stuff too! What exactly does it take for the PBA loyalists on this board to wake up and realize we're being screwed? Wasted dues money, lousy representation, directionless leadership, and we have a good sheriff who would treat us well without a union even being in here! I could understand if Sheriff Parker was like a lot of other sheriffs in this state, but he's a good guy who genuinely cares about his deputies and all the people that work for him. So what has the PBA done for us? Nothing that we couldn't handle ourselves for FREE! Forget IUPA and FOP too, let's de-unionize and keep our dues money for ourselves. Honestly in today's economy can you afford to give up those extra bucks in your pocket for nothing..which is what we're getting with these unions!

Better tell Johnny Bingham and Vince Champion to turn their credit cards in too...oh wait, they need them to go to lunch and fight over who gets to "pay". And neither one is paying, it's the hard-working members of the PBA that pay for lunch for these guys every single day, and a lot of other stuff too! What exactly does it take for the PBA loyalists on this board to wake up and realize we're being screwed? Wasted dues money, lousy representation, directionless leadership, and we have a good sheriff who would treat us well without a union even being in here! I could understand if Sheriff Parker was like a lot of other sheriffs in this state, but he's a good guy who genuinely cares about his deputies and all the people that work for him. So what has the PBA done for us? Nothing that we couldn't handle ourselves for FREE! Forget IUPA and FOP too, let's de-unionize and keep our dues money for ourselves. Honestly in today's economy can you afford to give up those extra bucks in your pocket for nothing..which is what we're getting with these unions!

The Sheriff treats us well to get our support for the upcoming election. Just as any other Sheriff with any brains would do. But, what happens if he's re-elected and decides not to run for a third term? He no longer needs our political support. Then what? How will we be treated then? Without a union to support us, we will go back to doing business the way we did under Jake Miller. No thanks .. been there, done that. Wasn't a lot of fun.

I would tend to agree that we should have some sort of union protection so we're not at the mercy of the sheriff. Granted Jack Parker is treating us fairly now, but I've heard things about some counties that don't have a union and the gripes the deputies have about how they're treated by a sheriff with no limits on his powers to impose discipline on a whim. The only thing I would mention is that I think the PBA has been sliding in the services area over the past few years and I think we ought to look at other options. We don't owe the PBA anything, we've got to look out for ourselves, and if the PBA keeps hiring these lousy or inexperienced employees we could wind up paying the price at the bargaining table or the IA room!

I would tend to agree that we should have some sort of union protection so we're not at the mercy of the sheriff. Granted Jack Parker is treating us fairly now, but I've heard things about some counties that don't have a union and the gripes the deputies have about how they're treated by a sheriff with no limits on his powers to impose discipline on a whim. The only thing I would mention is that I think the PBA has been sliding in the services area over the past few years and I think we ought to look at other options. We don't owe the PBA anything, we've got to look out for ourselves, and if the PBA keeps hiring these lousy or inexperienced employees we could twind up paying the price at the bargaining table or the IA room!


No matter what you do there is always going to be someone unhappy & complaining. Someone to always disagree with what everyone wants or like. These tend to be the people who always cause conflicts in the workplace & family life. So the very "FEW" of you that are complaining go find something else productive to do and quit being so distructive. We all have the same goals in law enforcement and hope that whatever union we belong to looks out for us. Right now I feel that for me the union has done an excellent job with our contract and providing services to me and my fellow workers.

No matter what you do there is always going to be someone unhappy & complaining. Someone to always disagree with what everyone wants or like. These tend to be the people who always cause conflicts in the workplace & family life. So the very "FEW" of you that are complaining go find something else productive to do and quit being so distructive. We all have the same goals in law enforcement and hope that whatever union we belong to looks out for us. Right now I feel that for me the union has done an excellent job with our contract and providing services to me and my fellow workers.

I don't think that it's destructive to express doubts about the effectiveness of our union representation, or lack thereof. I doubt that it's only the "few" people who are expressing those concerns either. Jimmy Weinert has apparently made himself known on this board many times over, but I doubt this is all his doing. Some of the questions being presented are rational and I know they make more than a few people wonder because I've repeated them myself to people I've talked with and I would notice that Nate Ingram is no longer coming forward with the answers and that even when he does "answer" he evades parts of questions he doesn't want to address, like the qualifications of this new PBA attorney Val Shealey. His "qualifications" or lack thereof were posted plainly for all to see on this board, but Nate has yet to explain how and why he was chosen.

Perhaps because Nate has no acceptable answers to give, just like he has no answers as to how he's going to replace the 500 plus members he has lost since he started working at the PBA. Just like he can't explain why Johnny Bingham is being allowed to file ULP's rather than the great legal staff Nate brags that he has. Just like he can't explain how Maria Kazouris who was "going well and winning cases" was getting beaten like a drum on every case she had in front of PERC:

http://perc.myflorida.com

Check them out for yourself and you'll see that Coastal Florida PBA hasn't won a damn thing other than the right to represent a few tiny agencies that account for about 25 total members. So my question is: Why does Nate Ingram still have a job and why isn't BCSO waking up to the fact that the PBA is a lousy, inept organization that doesn't do anything for its members but take their money and provide them with lousy to no service at all!

A
[quote="BCSO Lady":29h5h1un]
No matter what you do there is always going to be someone unhappy & complaining. Someone to always disagree with what everyone wants or like. These tend to be the people who always cause conflicts in the workplace & family life. So the very "FEW" of you that are complaining go find something else productive to do and quit being so distructive. We all have the same goals in law enforcement and hope that whatever union we belong to looks out for us. Right now I feel that for me the union has done an excellent job with our contract and providing services to me and my fellow workers.

I don't think that it's destructive to express doubts about the effectiveness of our union representation, or lack thereof. I doubt that it's only the "few" people who are expressing those concerns either. Jimmy Weinert has apparently made himself known on this board many times over, but I doubt this is all his doing. Some of the questions being presented are rational and I know they make more than a few people wonder because I've repeated them myself to people I've talked with and I would notice that Nate Ingram is no longer coming forward with the answers and that even when he does "answer" he evades parts of questions he doesn't want to address, like the qualifications of this new PBA attorney Val Shealey. His "qualifications" or lack thereof were posted plainly for all to see on this board, but Nate has yet to explain how and why he was chosen.

Perhaps because Nate has no acceptable answers to give, just like he has no answers as to how he's going to replace the 500 plus members he has lost since he started working at the PBA. Just like he can't explain why Johnny Bingham is being allowed to file ULP's rather than the great legal staff Nate brags that he has. Just like he can't explain how Maria Kazouris who was "going well and winning cases" was getting beaten like a drum on every case she had in front of PERC:

http://perc.myflorida.com

Check them out for yourself and you'll see that Coastal Florida PBA hasn't won a darn thing other than the right to represent a few tiny agencies that account for about 25 total members. So my question is: Why does Nate Ingram still have a job and why isn't BCSO waking up to the fact that the PBA is a lousy, inept organization that doesn't do anything for its members but take their money and provide them with lousy to no service at all![/quote:29h5h1un]

Again, BCSO is happy with PBA and they have always taken care of me & my fellow workers. I have no one in "MY" squad or precinct that is unhappy so quit trying to talk for the majority. As far as Nate, maybe he got really tired of the childish bull that was being posted on here by "THE KID COP".

Again, BCSO is happy with PBA and they have always taken care of me & my fellow workers. I have no one in "MY" squad or precinct that is unhappy so quit trying to talk for the majority. As far as Nate, maybe he got really tired of the childish bull that was being posted on here by "THE KID COP".

Or maybe he's unwilling to address unpleasant facts he knows are true. Based on his postings, he replied to Jimmy Weinert more than he did anyone else. I guess he can't develop a lie to cover his own incompetence when it's thrown out and supported by public record.

[Nate Ingram, CFPBA]

[quote="I am BCSO and we are HAPPY PEOPLE":2cyydds9]

Again, BCSO is happy with PBA and they have always taken care of me & my fellow workers. I have no one in "MY" squad or precinct that is unhappy so quit trying to talk for the majority. As far as Nate, maybe he got really tired of the childish bull that was being posted on here by "THE KID COP".

Or maybe he's unwilling to address unpleasant facts he knows are true. Based on his postings, he replied to Jimmy Weinert more than he did anyone else. I guess he can't develop a lie to cover his own incompetence when it's thrown out and supported by public record.[/quote:2cyydds9]

The level of vitriole here is astounding. As much fun as it is to respond to JW and RC on here, there's actually other things to do. Why address the issues of two disgruntled former CFPBA folks when I'm working on behalf of our members in the field? We aren't down 500 members as someone posted here. We're actually ahead of the membership totals when Port St Lucie PD and Melbourne PD left. Through strong political activity coupled with aggressive representation, we have continued to grow at the same rate we have for the last four years.
Someone wanted to know about our attorneys. Anyone can go to the BAR website and pull the face sheet for an attorney. That may or may not tell you everything about them as that is simply a face sheet completed when an attorney becomes certified. It says little of their actual experience. With that said, I've noticed that JW and RC don't want you to know about Mary Jean Navaretta or Jill Hanson. They don't want you to know about Gloria Fletcher or Therese Truelove. Hank Coxe is the past President of the Florida BAR. These are all attorneys we use on a regular basis to defend our membership.
Most of our BCSO members know that when it comes to on-duty incidents, we have local attorneys in Brevard County that can respond anywhere in the county within the hour. In fact, we've recently secured a fellow deputy's brother as another on-call attorney. Kevin has done an excellent job for us now on two shootings.
Let's talk about IUPA for a minute. Statewide in Florida, they have less than 500 dues paying members. Period. They are in decertification elections at several of their current bargaining units including one of their largest remaining units, North Miami Beach. In fact, the totals on that one should be in this week with them returning to the Dade PBA. Nationwide, IUPA is losing ground as well. Las Vegas police recently broke off their affiliation with IUPA. The SEIU, with 1.7 million members (we are affiliated with them), has targeted IUPA nationwide and is intent on stamping IUPA out. That trend shall continue here in Florida.
Let's look at IUPA in PSL. All of our bargaining units in Port St Lucie have completed their respective contracts and have recieved pay raises up to 6% per year. IUPA is at impasse with the city over the officers group and there is no end in sight. Prior to decertification, the CFPBA was over 80% done with the contract and the officers would have had their raises by Thanksgiving 2007. Here we are, almost to September 2008, and no raises. Is that what BCSO truly wants? I don't think so.
The CFPBA sued former Sheriff Phil Williams and secured the rights of BCSO deputies to organize and collectively bargain. Had it not been for the CFPBA, that right would not exist. IUPA was in Florida then and did nothing to assist in getting you this right. Now, they want to ride the coat-tails of hardworking PBA members everywhere and stake a claim to something they had no part in.
The last thing you want to do right now is appear divided to the current county commission. So far, we have been successful in endorsing and supporting quality candidates for Brevard County and look to electing a commission that will support Sheriff Parker and our members with long term financial gains. To that end, I encourage all of you actual BCSO members who read this blog and get involved with the political process. Plug yourself in with the candidates we've endorsed and hold signs or walk neighborhoods to try to get them elected. It is critical during this time of economic uncertainty that we get candidates elected who realize Public Safety is a priority.

[quote="PBA Must Go!!!!!!":glejsl42][quote="I am BCSO and we are HAPPY PEOPLE":glejsl42]

Again, BCSO is happy with PBA and they have always taken care of me & my fellow workers. I have no one in "MY" squad or precinct that is unhappy so quit trying to talk for the majority. As far as Nate, maybe he got really tired of the childish bull that was being posted on here by "THE KID COP".

Or maybe he's unwilling to address unpleasant facts he knows are true. Based on his postings, he replied to Jimmy Weinert more than he did anyone else. I guess he can't develop a lie to cover his own incompetence when it's thrown out and supported by public record.[/quote:glejsl42]

The level of vitriole here is astounding. As much fun as it is to respond to JW and RC on here, there's actually other things to do. Why address the issues of two disgruntled former CFPBA folks when I'm working on behalf of our members in the field? We aren't down 500 members as someone posted here. We're actually ahead of the membership totals when Port St Lucie PD and Melbourne PD left. Through strong political activity coupled with aggressive representation, we have continued to grow at the same rate we have for the last four years.
Someone wanted to know about our attorneys. Anyone can go to the BAR website and pull the face sheet for an attorney. That may or may not tell you everything about them as that is simply a face sheet completed when an attorney becomes certified. It says little of their actual experience. With that said, I've noticed that JW and RC don't want you to know about Mary Jean Navaretta or Jill Hanson. They don't want you to know about Gloria Fletcher or Therese Truelove. Hank Coxe is the past President of the Florida BAR. These are all attorneys we use on a regular basis to defend our membership.
Most of our BCSO members know that when it comes to on-duty incidents, we have local attorneys in Brevard County that can respond anywhere in the county within the hour. In fact, we've recently secured a fellow deputy's brother as another on-call attorney. Kevin has done an excellent job for us now on two shootings.
Let's talk about IUPA for a minute. Statewide in Florida, they have less than 500 dues paying members. Period. They are in decertification elections at several of their current bargaining units including one of their largest remaining units, North Miami Beach. In fact, the totals on that one should be in this week with them returning to the Dade PBA. Nationwide, IUPA is losing ground as well. Las Vegas police recently broke off their affiliation with IUPA. The SEIU, with 1.7 million members (we are affiliated with them), has targeted IUPA nationwide and is intent on stamping IUPA out. That trend shall continue here in Florida.
Let's look at IUPA in PSL. All of our bargaining units in Port St Lucie have completed their respective contracts and have recieved pay raises up to 6% per year. IUPA is at impasse with the city over the officers group and there is no end in sight. Prior to decertification, the CFPBA was over 80% done with the contract and the officers would have had their raises by Thanksgiving 2007. Here we are, almost to September 2008, and no raises. Is that what BCSO truly wants? I don't think so.
The CFPBA sued former Sheriff Phil Williams and secured the rights of BCSO deputies to organize and collectively bargain. Had it not been for the CFPBA, that right would not exist. IUPA was in Florida then and did nothing to assist in getting you this right. Now, they want to ride the coat-tails of hardworking PBA members everywhere and stake a claim to something they had no part in.
The last thing you want to do right now is appear divided to the current county commission. So far, we have been successful in endorsing and supporting quality candidates for Brevard County and look to electing a commission that will support Sheriff Parker and our members with long term financial gains. To that end, I encourage all of you actual BCSO members who read this blog and get involved with the political process. Plug yourself in with the candidates we've endorsed and hold signs or walk neighborhoods to try to get them elected. It is critical during this time of economic uncertainty that we get candidates elected who realize Public Safety is a priority.[/quote:glejsl42]


Well said Nate Ingram!

The level of vitriole here is astounding. As much fun as it is to respond to JW and RC on here, there's actually other things to do. Why address the issues of two disgruntled former CFPBA folks when I'm working on behalf of our members in the field? We aren't down 500 members as someone posted here. We're actually ahead of the membership totals when Port St Lucie PD and Melbourne PD left. Through strong political activity coupled with aggressive representation, we have continued to grow at the same rate we have for the last four years.
Someone wanted to know about our attorneys. Anyone can go to the BAR website and pull the face sheet for an attorney. That may or may not tell you everything about them as that is simply a face sheet completed when an attorney becomes certified. It says little of their actual experience. With that said, I've noticed that JW and RC don't want you to know about Mary Jean Navaretta or Jill Hanson. They don't want you to know about Gloria Fletcher or Therese Truelove. Hank Coxe is the past President of the Florida BAR. These are all attorneys we use on a regular basis to defend our membership.
Most of our BCSO members know that when it comes to on-duty incidents, we have local attorneys in Brevard County that can respond anywhere in the county within the hour. In fact, we've recently secured a fellow deputy's brother as another on-call attorney. Kevin has done an excellent job for us now on two shootings.
Let's talk about IUPA for a minute. Statewide in Florida, they have less than 500 dues paying members. Period. They are in decertification elections at several of their current bargaining units including one of their largest remaining units, North Miami Beach. In fact, the totals on that one should be in this week with them returning to the Dade PBA. Nationwide, IUPA is losing ground as well. Las Vegas police recently broke off their affiliation with IUPA. The SEIU, with 1.7 million members (we are affiliated with them), has targeted IUPA nationwide and is intent on stamping IUPA out. That trend shall continue here in Florida.
Let's look at IUPA in PSL. All of our bargaining units in Port St Lucie have completed their respective contracts and have recieved pay raises up to 6% per year. IUPA is at impasse with the city over the officers group and there is no end in sight. Prior to decertification, the CFPBA was over 80% done with the contract and the officers would have had their raises by Thanksgiving 2007. Here we are, almost to September 2008, and no raises. Is that what BCSO truly wants? I don't think so.
The CFPBA sued former Sheriff Phil Williams and secured the rights of BCSO deputies to organize and collectively bargain. Had it not been for the CFPBA, that right would not exist. IUPA was in Florida then and did nothing to assist in getting you this right. Now, they want to ride the coat-tails of hardworking PBA members everywhere and stake a claim to something they had no part in.
The last thing you want to do right now is appear divided to the current county commission. So far, we have been successful in endorsing and supporting quality candidates for Brevard County and look to electing a commission that will support Sheriff Parker and our members with long term financial gains. To that end, I encourage all of you actual BCSO members who read this blog and get involved with the political process. Plug yourself in with the candidates we've endorsed and hold signs or walk neighborhoods to try to get them elected. It is critical during this time of economic uncertainty that we get candidates elected who realize Public Safety is a priority.

Once again, Nate chooses not to answer questions put to him. Again, he brags about all these "great" attorneys that he has, but doesn't say why he doesn't use any of them to file unfair labor practices and lets Johnny Bingham file one. He doesn't point out any of the "great" things that any of these attorneys or any other PBA attorney in the history of the union has done, because they haven't done anything.

Yeah, we all know about the Juratovic case as it was apparently the only thing worth bragging about on the PBA website for the past four or five months and the fact that the state attorney had a weak case that got thrown out by the judge. The PBA's great attorneys didn't do anything, the JUDGE threw the case out. Those same attorneys are on the case with the two Flagler deputies and what happened in that case? So I'm asking AGAIN, what have these "great" attorneys ever done? How about the history of "great" attorneys they've had? What did Hines, Jordan, Alvarez, Brennan, Kazouris ever do? Oh, Kazouris lost a contract impasse hearing at Port Orange but the PBA still pats her on the back by saying she was a "fighter" in one of their BOLO propaganda sheets, but she still lost and Port Orange got screwed to whatever management wanted. The rest of them lost ULPs and arbitrations, I don't know that any one of those great attorneys ever won a thing for the PBA.

And Navaretta, she got fired by the City of Port St. Lucie for doing a lousy job. She couldn't even keep the PBA out and absolutely HATED the PBA when she was with Port St. Lucie, and now she's working with them? Please, she must be doing a really good job for them, but how many cases did she have? Only one, where she and Kazouris filed a ULP against Port St. Lucie and that got thrown out by PERC! Great attorney there Nate!

Yeah, Coxe was a president of the Florida Bar...so what? That's a popularity contest, kind of like being elected president of a third rate union like CFPBA. it's not an indication that you're any good as a lawyer. And that Jill Hanson, she charged soemthing like $100,000 to clean up an unfair labor practice that Alvarez caused. Haven't seen her name around anywhere since then.

So what about it Nate? Why don't you address the FACTS rather than throw out the same tired propaganda about how "great" your attorneys are? Why don't you admit your new guy has NO experience in labor law and that he's an ambulance chaser? We're way ahead of you in checking on all these stiffs with the Florida bar!

Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.

Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer!

[quote="Get Lost Jimmy":n01n76ku]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer![/quote:n01n76ku]

Whatever Rich! Sorry you are so angry. I am sorry you have to pay the state back so much because you tried to get money that you didn't deserve! I am sorry that all you "MISFITS" have to stick together. The PBA was wrong to hire you anyway. Why did you leave your last job before the PBA? Wonder if you can tell the truth about that one!!!! Pretty soon you won't have anywhere to work because you will have burnt all your bridges......keep it up troll!

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[quote="Silent Nate":13k80f46][quote="Get Lost Jimmy":13k80f46]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer![/quote:13k80f46]

Whatever Rich! Sorry you are so angry. I am sorry you have to pay the state back so much because you tried to get money that you didn't deserve! I am sorry that all you "MISFITS" have to stick together. The PBA was wrong to hire you anyway. Why did you leave your last job before the PBA? Wonder if you can tell the truth about that one!!!! Pretty soon you won't have anywhere to work because you will have burnt all your bridges......keep it up troll![/quote:13k80f46]

SORRY, NOT RICH!

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[quote="Silent Nate":1own0eyq][quote="Get Lost Jimmy":1own0eyq]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer!

Whatever Rich! Sorry you are so angry. I am sorry you have to pay the state back so much because you tried to get money that you didn't deserve! I am sorry that all you "MISFITS" have to stick together. The PBA was wrong to hire you anyway. Why did you leave your last job before the PBA? Wonder if you can tell the truth about that one!!!! Pretty soon you won't have anywhere to work because you will have burnt all your bridges......keep it up troll![/quote:1own0eyq]

SORRY, NOT RICH![/quote:1own0eyq]

WHATEVER you coward!

[quote="Get Lost Jimmy":v5lpodaq]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer![/quote:v5lpodaq]


Come on Nate, why so silent? Did the PBA propaganda machine break down? Don't know how to answer for yourself and don't have enough money to hire Jim Speering to create a fake background for your latest incompetent attorney? So where's the biography on your new guy Shealey that you promised on the website? We're dying to know about all the labor law experience this guy has when his own website says that he's a personal injury lawyer. For God's sake his phone number is something like 1-800-AREUHURT...I don't know that any labor lawyers have 800 phone numbers like that.

I know you're busy Nate. It must be very time consuming to sit around the office and wait for Johnny Bingam to come back from lunch with Vince so you can find out about all the bargaining units he's NOT been able to organize. How's Seminole County Sheriff's Office going? How many cards have you gotten back? 10 or 11? You've gotta do more than make that lame posting on their LEOAFFAIRS board if you want to get them signed up. But then again, you'd never know about that as you were never an organizer. Just like you don't know anything about negotiating contracts because you never were a lead negotiator.

And Vince, where are you? Busy sitting in your office at Ormond Beach PD with your feet up on your desk? I'm sure you can find some time to get on this board and defend your wretched record of hiring the lamest, most incompetent people to work for this union. I'm not just talking about all your attorneys, I'm talking about Ingram too. How many members are you down now since he was hired? 500...1000? What's the last substantial bargaining unit you've been able to bring into the PBA? BC Tax Collectors? And they're mad at you and Ingram because you can't get them a contract. Come November, I wouldn't be surprised to see them de-cert you, and then where will you be? Still president I'm sure because like Nate, you won't take responsibility for the wretched state of your union. You can blame Rich, Tony, Jim Weinert, Jamie Rocque, all 700 of your former attorneys, Pat McGuire, but where does the buck stop Vince? It stops with you, buddy. Eventually your union membership will wake up and see that.

[quote="Silent Nate":22qq82hk][quote="Get Lost Jimmy":22qq82hk]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer![/quote:22qq82hk]


Come on Nate, why so silent? Did the PBA propaganda machine break down? Don't know how to answer for yourself and don't have enough money to hire Jim Speering to create a fake background for your latest incompetent attorney? So where's the biography on your new guy Shealey that you promised on the website? We're dying to know about all the labor law experience this guy has when his own website says that he's a personal injury lawyer. For God's sake his phone number is something like 1-800-AREUHURT...I don't know that any labor lawyers have 800 phone numbers like that.

I know you're busy Nate. It must be very time consuming to sit around the office and wait for Johnny Bingam to come back from lunch with Vince so you can find out about all the bargaining units he's NOT been able to organize. How's Seminole County Sheriff's Office going? How many cards have you gotten back? 10 or 11? You've gotta do more than make that lame posting on their LEOAFFAIRS board if you want to get them signed up. But then again, you'd never know about that as you were never an organizer. Just like you don't know anything about negotiating contracts because you never were a lead negotiator.

And Vince, where are you? Busy sitting in your office at Ormond Beach PD with your feet up on your desk? I'm sure you can find some time to get on this board and defend your wretched record of hiring the lamest, most incompetent people to work for this union. I'm not just talking about all your attorneys, I'm talking about Ingram too. How many members are you down now since he was hired? 500...1000? What's the last substantial bargaining unit you've been able to bring into the PBA? BC Tax Collectors? And they're mad at you and Ingram because you can't get them a contract. Come November, I wouldn't be surprised to see them de-cert you, and then where will you be? Still president I'm sure because like Nate, you won't take responsibility for the wretched state of your union. You can blame Rich, Tony, Jim Weinert, Jamie Rocque, all 700 of your former attorneys, Pat McGuire, but where does the buck stop Vince? It stops with you, buddy. Eventually your union membership will wake up and see that.[/quote:22qq82hk]


Okay, so what's the alternative to the PBA? FOP? Yeah, right! They don't have time to be a real union. They're too busy organizing golf tournaments and little league baseball teams. Ask Cocoa PD what FOP did for them. NOTHING!! Oh, and then of course there is IUPA. Give me a break. How many members do they have in this state? 400? 500? Wow, there is a real powerhouse of a union. Instead of wasting your time whining about PBA on this blog, why don't you have your unit elect you as their rep? Then you can go to the meetings and air your complaints in person. Of course, that takes time, you won't be able to hide behind a screen name and you will have to provide facts to prove your point. Got the guts? Doubt it!

[quote="PBA Propaganda":13o3d5f9][quote="Silent Nate":13o3d5f9][quote="Get Lost Jimmy":13o3d5f9]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer![/quote:13o3d5f9]


Come on Nate, why so silent? Did the PBA propaganda machine break down? Don't know how to answer for yourself and don't have enough money to hire Jim Speering to create a fake background for your latest incompetent attorney? So where's the biography on your new guy Shealey that you promised on the website? We're dying to know about all the labor law experience this guy has when his own website says that he's a personal injury lawyer. For God's sake his phone number is something like 1-800-AREUHURT...I don't know that any labor lawyers have 800 phone numbers like that.

I know you're busy Nate. It must be very time consuming to sit around the office and wait for Johnny Bingam to come back from lunch with Vince so you can find out about all the bargaining units he's NOT been able to organize. How's Seminole County Sheriff's Office going? How many cards have you gotten back? 10 or 11? You've gotta do more than make that lame posting on their LEOAFFAIRS board if you want to get them signed up. But then again, you'd never know about that as you were never an organizer. Just like you don't know anything about negotiating contracts because you never were a lead negotiator.

And Vince, where are you? Busy sitting in your office at Ormond Beach PD with your feet up on your desk? I'm sure you can find some time to get on this board and defend your wretched record of hiring the lamest, most incompetent people to work for this union. I'm not just talking about all your attorneys, I'm talking about Ingram too. How many members are you down now since he was hired? 500...1000? What's the last substantial bargaining unit you've been able to bring into the PBA? BC Tax Collectors? And they're mad at you and Ingram because you can't get them a contract. Come November, I wouldn't be surprised to see them de-cert you, and then where will you be? Still president I'm sure because like Nate, you won't take responsibility for the wretched state of your union. You can blame Rich, Tony, Jim Weinert, Jamie Rocque, all 700 of your former attorneys, Pat McGuire, but where does the buck stop Vince? It stops with you, buddy. Eventually your union membership will wake up and see that.[/quote:13o3d5f9]


Okay, so what's the alternative to the PBA? FOP? Yeah, right! They don't have time to be a real union. They're too busy organizing golf tournaments and little league baseball teams. Ask Cocoa PD what FOP did for them. NOTHING!! Oh, and then of course there is IUPA. Give me a break. How many members do they have in this state? 400? 500? Wow, there is a real powerhouse of a union. Instead of wasting your time whining about PBA on this blog, why don't you have your unit elect you as their rep? Then you can go to the meetings and air your complaints in person. Of course, that takes time, you won't be able to hide behind a screen name and you will have to provide facts to prove your point. Got the guts? Doubt it! [/quote:13o3d5f9]

Well spoken!!!

Of course, that takes time, you won't be able to hide behind a screen name and you will have to provide facts to prove your point. Got the guts? Doubt it!

If you'll notice, the facts have been provided in every single posting. The facts are that the PBA hires incompetent staff (attorneys, Ingram, Bingham) to provide "service" to the membership. The PBA gets beat like a drum at ULPs they file (check the PERC website, all the CFPBA ULPs are dismissed), they get shot down when they try to organize some of the Port Orange city workers into the police bargaining unit, they get shot down when they try to organize those same workers into their own bargaining unit....they can't do anything right because they have incompetent attorneys/reps representing them. It's all public record and all available through the PERC website: http://perc.myflorida.com. Get up off your butt and see for yourself.

And as far as their new attorney goes, check out his own website and the Florida bar on this guy. He's a PERSONAL INJURY attorney, not a labor lawyer. How's he going to help you at the bargaining table unless you get a paper cut from leafing through the paperwork? The facts have been presented and I know I'm not the only one asking questions about these matters. I just think all deputies should be informed of what's going on in the union that they're paying hard-earned money to represent their interests. You have it good now because Jack Parker is willing to work with and tolerate the PBA. When he's no longer around, and you get an anti-union sheriff like Don Eslinger in Seminole County where's the PBA gonna be then? You'll note that they aren't able to organize Seminole County not least of all because Johnny Bingham doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground, but also because Eslinger runs a very efficient union-busting agency. PBA doesn't have the strength to get into Seminole County which is why I find it laughable that Ingram is claiming that they're orgainizing that department. Just like you're going to organize all the Jacksonville city workers too, right Nate? Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah, you failed because it wasn't a tiny little police agency like Atlantic Beach. Name one large bargaining unit that Ingram can take credit for organizing....I'll save you the trouble of thinking about it...there aren't any. He's useless and incompetent just like every other staff member past and present at the PBA.

[quote="wake up and smell the coffee":2v4rqfxv]

Of course, that takes time, you won't be able to hide behind a screen name and you will have to provide facts to prove your point. Got the guts? Doubt it!

If you'll notice, the facts have been provided in every single posting. The facts are that the PBA hires incompetent staff (attorneys, Ingram, Bingham) to provide "service" to the membership. The PBA gets beat like a drum at ULPs they file (check the PERC website, all the CFPBA ULPs are dismissed), they get shot down when they try to organize some of the Port Orange city workers into the police bargaining unit, they get shot down when they try to organize those same workers into their own bargaining unit....they can't do anything right because they have incompetent attorneys/reps representing them. It's all public record and all available through the PERC website: http://perc.myflorida.com. Get up off your butt and see for yourself.

And as far as their new attorney goes, check out his own website and the Florida bar on this guy. He's a PERSONAL INJURY attorney, not a labor lawyer. How's he going to help you at the bargaining table unless you get a paper cut from leafing through the paperwork? The facts have been presented and I know I'm not the only one asking questions about these matters. I just think all deputies should be informed of what's going on in the union that they're paying hard-earned money to represent their interests. You have it good now because Jack Parker is willing to work with and tolerate the PBA. When he's no longer around, and you get an anti-union sheriff like Don Eslinger in Seminole County where's the PBA gonna be then? You'll note that they aren't able to organize Seminole County not least of all because Johnny Bingham doesn't know his butt from a hole in the ground, but also because Eslinger runs a very efficient union-busting agency. PBA doesn't have the strength to get into Seminole County which is why I find it laughable that Ingram is claiming that they're orgainizing that department. Just like you're going to organize all the Jacksonville city workers too, right Nate? Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah, you failed because it wasn't a tiny little police agency like Atlantic Beach. Name one large bargaining unit that Ingram can take credit for organizing....I'll save you the trouble of thinking about it...there aren't any. He's useless and incompetent just like every other staff member past and present at the PBA.[/quote:2v4rqfxv]


You are such a coward! Go destroy your own union and cause trouble just like you do everywhere else in your life. I can NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE A BADGE!!

Truth hurts, doesn't it BCSO Lady?

Truth hurts, doesn't it BCSO Lady?


You are truly embarrassing to our profession. That is what hurts.

You are truly embarrassing to our profession. That is what hurts.

Wrong, the only true embarassment here is Vince Champion and his legacy of incompetence. Sure he and Ingram can try and brag about all their great attorneys...although we haven't seen much of that lately on this board as the true facts seem to have shut ole Natey boy up...they can try to claim that the Coastal Florida PBA was responsible for for getting collective bargaining for BCSO deputies when actually it was the Florida PBA and their attorney Hal Johnson that were responsible for that...the Coastal Florida PBA just happened to be lucky enough to get their name on the case due to the fact that Phil Williams was such a hard-headed moron...but what have they done to make your lives better lately? Nothing. Yeah, you can continue to be a PBA member and have your monthly dues sucked out of your paycheck automatically every month. I'm sure most of you sheep don't even notice, but if you had to sit down and write a check out every month, maybe then you'd start to ask questions about where your dues money goes and what it's being spent on.

As the largest remaining unit in the CFPBA, your dues money is going to pay for gasoline for Johnny Bingham as he drives around northeast Florida trying to organize new units to join the pathetic PBA. Number of units he's organized in the 16 months he's been employed with the PBA: ZERO. Your dues money is going to pay for his lunches with Vince Champion every day as they "fight" over who gets to pay the bill with their PBA credit cards. Your dues money is paying for an office down in Port St. Lucie, where that PD unit kicked the PBA out. Your dues money is going to pay for yet another incompetent, unprepared attorney who doesn't know labor law and who won't do anything for you at the bargaining table other than give you his card when you rock back in your chair and it falls over causing you to hit your head because he's a PERSONAL INJURY lawyer.

Sit down this month, take out your checkbook and write out a check in the monthly dues amount to the PBA and look at it long and hard. Is getting the PBA Propaganda rag sheet "BOLO" worth those hundreds of dollars a year? Is calling up the PBA office for a legal consultation and being told by the idiot attorney of the day that he doesn't have experience to answer your question worth those hundreds of dollars a year? Is the PBA spending obscene amounts of money in political campaigns that don't even affect you, like the state attorney race in Daytona Beach this summer worth your hundreds of dollars a year? Is the PBA having to pay out thousands of dollars in legal fees to a city attorney after they lose their latest ULP that they shouldn't have filed in the first place according to PERC worth your money?

[quote="BCSO Lady":1ddkpdon]

You are truly embarrassing to our profession. That is what hurts.

Wrong, the only true embarassment here is Vince Champion and his legacy of incompetence. Sure he and Ingram can try and brag about all their great attorneys...although we haven't seen much of that lately on this board as the true facts seem to have shut ole Natey boy up...they can try to claim that the Coastal Florida PBA was responsible for for getting collective bargaining for BCSO deputies when actually it was the Florida PBA and their attorney Hal Johnson that were responsible for that...the Coastal Florida PBA just happened to be lucky enough to get their name on the case due to the fact that Phil Williams was such a hard-headed moron...but what have they done to make your lives better lately? Nothing. Yeah, you can continue to be a PBA member and have your monthly dues sucked out of your paycheck automatically every month. I'm sure most of you sheep don't even notice, but if you had to sit down and write a check out every month, maybe then you'd start to ask questions about where your dues money goes and what it's being spent on.

As the largest remaining unit in the CFPBA, your dues money is going to pay for gasoline for Johnny Bingham as he drives around northeast Florida trying to organize new units to join the pathetic PBA. Number of units he's organized in the 16 months he's been employed with the PBA: ZERO. Your dues money is going to pay for his lunches with Vince Champion every day as they "fight" over who gets to pay the bill with their PBA credit cards. Your dues money is paying for an office down in Port St. Lucie, where that PD unit kicked the PBA out. Your dues money is going to pay for yet another incompetent, unprepared attorney who doesn't know labor law and who won't do anything for you at the bargaining table other than give you his card when you rock back in your chair and it falls over causing you to hit your head because he's a PERSONAL INJURY lawyer.

Sit down this month, take out your checkbook and write out a check in the monthly dues amount to the PBA and look at it long and hard. Is getting the PBA Propaganda rag sheet "BOLO" worth those hundreds of dollars a year? Is calling up the PBA office for a legal consultation and being told by the idiot attorney of the day that he doesn't have experience to answer your question worth those hundreds of dollars a year? Is the PBA spending obscene amounts of money in political campaigns that don't even affect you, like the state attorney race in Daytona Beach this summer worth your hundreds of dollars a year? Is the PBA having to pay out thousands of dollars in legal fees to a city attorney after they lose their latest ULP that they shouldn't have filed in the first place according to PERC worth your money?[/quote:1ddkpdon]

You keep complaining about the PBA, but you offer no viable alternative. Looks to me like you simply have an ax to grind. If that's the case, go to the office and spout off to Vince and Nate in person.

You keep complaining about the PBA, but you offer no viable alternative. Looks to me like you simply have an ax to grind. If that's the case, go to the office and spout off to Vince and Nate in person.

Who's complaining? I'm just challenging Vince and Nate to explain themselves which they refuse to do because the facts speak for themselves. It's tough to run a line of b.s. about your great staff and huge membership gains when the public records all reveal otherwise. Vince Champion is too cowardly to show up on this board and explain himself and his actions in running the PBA into the ground and as stated before it's not like he doesn't have the time. He's a freaking public information officer and rides a desk all day. Barely one step above Kindergarten Cop Weinert.

I'll agree with you that IUPA is not an alternative, they suck worse than a broken vacuum cleaner, but FOP certainly has the size and membership and support structure to get things done. You claim that FOP couldn't get anything done in Cocoa, but I don't see that the PBA did anything other than settle for the same contract that was being offered to FOP. So what difference did the PBA make there? None. FOP is constantly expanding throughout the state of Florida and has even taken over for, or is moving in on the PBA in a lot of places as people are waking up to the fact that PBA is full of nothing more than empty promises and no back-up. Ask Bert Gamin, he's the local FOP president in Brevard, and he's also an alternate rep with the PBA. Guess based on that it's easy to see which union he believes in more strongly.

Once again BCSO, ask yourselves what you're really getting for your dues money. Other than Pikus and Buggs, the two BCSO guys on the PBA executive board who get to go on convention trips to Vegas on your dime, y'all don't get jack for your dues. Just empty propaganda from Vince and Nate about how great the PBA is and how "lucky" you are to have them and their great, revolving cast of attorneys. Just empty propaganda and boasting about their "huge" membership gains when in reality they're adding tiny little bargaining units that you all wind up carrying because you're the biggest. Think about it again in a few months when the next dues increase comes up at an executive board meeting that you're not allowed to attend as a regular member. Think Pikus and Buggs are going to protect your interests then? Not when it comes down to another trip to Vegas for them it won't!!!

Who's complaining? [/quote]

YOU ARE!!

After reading your post it is pretty clear that you are an organizer for the FOP. So, if you want everyone at BCSO to leave PBA and join FOP, why don't you do it the right way? Get your cards signed and send them to PERC. It isn't going to get done by whining in a blog!

Who's complaining?

YOU ARE!!

After reading your post it is pretty clear that you are an organizer for the FOP. So, if you want everyone at BCSO to leave PBA and join FOP, why don't you do it the right way? Get your cards signed and send them to PERC. It isn't going to get done by whining in a blog![/quote]

Because it is easier for him to complain on here than it is to get those cards signed. It would be like beating a dead dog!

Actually there are cards being signed as I know both FOP and IUPA are targeting BCSO and at least some people at the agency are wising up and not simply buying into the Coastal Florida PBA's line of b.s. I'm sure there's a small, hardcore group of pro-PBA folks at BCSO, beyond Pikus and the other reps, but most people will wake up when the truth is slapping them in the face. It's been several weeks now since Nate has been heard from on this board after being challenged yet again to back up his boasts about what a great job the PBA does in providing services to its members. Not surprisingly, he's been very silent because he knows the truth is out there and no amount of PBA lies and spin are going to be able to cover it up.

How about the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Nate? When's the election coming up for the PBA to move in there? Oh, that's right, it's not going to happen because you got about 20 cards signed, maybe 5 percent of the eligible bargaining unit members? Not a very strong showing Nate. How about Putnam County Nate? Didn't get the 30 percent there either did you? And of course, I'm not even going to bother asking you about the Jacksonville blue collar workers....or your continuing inept efforts to organize the civilian workers at Port Orange PD that you've been slapped down twice by PERC in trying to fold them in with the cops or the other city workers. So what exactly did you do to get your job other than apparently have some sort of incriminating photos of Vince Champion?

Actually there are cards being signed as I know both FOP and IUPA are targeting BCSO and at least some people at the agency are wising up and not simply buying into the Coastal Florida PBA's line of b.s. I'm sure there's a small, . group of pro-PBA folks at BCSO, beyond Pikus and the other reps, but most people will wake up when the truth is slapping them in the face. It's been several weeks now since Nate has been heard from on this board after being challenged yet again to back up his boasts about what a great job the PBA does in providing services to its members. Not surprisingly, he's been very silent because he knows the truth is out there and no amount of PBA lies and spin are going to be able to cover it up.

How about the Seminole County Sheriff's Office Nate? When's the election coming up for the PBA to move in there? Oh, that's right, it's not going to happen because you got about 20 cards signed, maybe 5 percent of the eligible bargaining unit members? Not a very strong showing Nate. How about Putnam County Nate? Didn't get the 30 percent there either did you? And of course, I'm not even going to bother asking you about the Jacksonville blue collar workers....or your continuing inept efforts to organize the civilian workers at Port Orange PD that you've been slapped down twice by PERC in trying to fold them in with the cops or the other city workers. So what exactly did you do to get your job other than apparently have some sort of incriminating photos of Vince Champion?


Ingram and Champion aren't gonna answer you. They're worthless and don't even respond to their own members most of the time. Call the office and try to get in touch with anyone other than the woman who answers the phone and nobody is ever around. Things never change, you couldn't ever talk to McGuire or his wife either. Yeah, PBA will take your money, but then they forget who they are supposed to be working for when they tell you your case has been assigned to a staff member like Johnny and he won't call you back. Things don't ever change at the PBA.

Ingram and Champion aren't gonna answer you. They're worthless and don't even respond to their own members most of the time. Call the office and try to get in touch with anyone other than the woman who answers the phone and nobody is ever around. Things never change, you couldn't ever talk to McGuire or his wife either. Yeah, PBA will take your money, but then they forget who they are supposed to be working for when they tell you your case has been assigned to a staff member like Johnny and he won't call you back. Things don't ever change at the PBA.

It's because Nate Ingram can't face the facts when they're out there. It's tough to hide behind a lie about all the "big" units and large numbers of membership that have joined the PBA when the truth is so easy to find. Look at the large bargaining units that have left the PBA since Nate Ingram was hired:

4/9/07--EL-2007-004, Whaley v. Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of Nassau County, Sergeants and Lieutenants Unit. Members of that unit voted to kick out the CFPBA. 17 members of the unit, 14 voted to kick out the PBA, ZERO members voted to keep the PBA.

4/26/07--EL-2007-007, Smith v. Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of Nassau County, Deputy Unit. Members of that unit voted to kick out the CFPBA. 66 members, 34 voted to kick out the PBA, 15 voted to keep the PBA. Coastal Florida PBA decertified as bargaining rep for BOTH units.

9/4/07--EL-2007-021, IUPA v. Coastal Florida PBA v. City of Port St. Lucie, Officer Bargaining Unit. 185 members, 126 voted to kick out the PBA, 11 voted to keep the PBA. Coastal Florida PBA decertified as bargaining rep.

10/16/07--EL-2007-031, FOP v. CIty of Melbourne v. Coastal Florida PBA, Officer Bargaining Unit. 160 members, 91 voted to kick out the PBA, 57 voted to keep the PBA. Coastal Florida PBA decertified as bargaining rep.

428 total potential members lost in those four units since Nate Ingram began with Coastal Florida PBA.

And who has he replaced all these large units with? Oviedo Lieutenants Unit (9 members); Port St. Lucie PD Lieutenants (9 members); St. Augustine Beach Officers Unit (10 members, just barely by a 6-4 vote); St. Augustine Beach Sergeants Unit (3 members); Atlantic Beach Officer's Unit (23 members); Port Orange PD Lieutenants Unit (4 members)....for a grand total of 58 potential members.

In the April 2008 BOLO, Vince Champion makes mention of cards being circulated in the Seminole County and Putnam County Sheriff's Offices. Here it is October 2008, and they still don't have the 30 percent of cards signed in each agency to get PERC to order and election.

The facts are out there folks, and sooner or later, you're going to get tired of supporting this union all by yourselves due to Nate Ingram and Vince Champion's incompetent attempts to increase membership. Yeah, CFPBA is a part of the Florida PBA, and part of your dues that you pay to CFPBA goes to Florida PBA in Tallahassee. But did you know that you never see any money coming from Florida PBA to help you in your time of need? Keep giving your money to Coastal Florida PBA and the Florida PBA so that Nate and Vince can go out and recruit these tiny little agencies to join you. Keep forking over your dues money every month to pay for their latest incompetent attorney to go sit in an IA for some sergeant in St. Augustine Beach PD. Keep forking over money to send Scotty Pikus, Nate Ingram, Vince Champion, Marlon Buggs and the other PBA board members on fancy trips to places like Las Vegas to attend "conferences".

Or you can wake up and join a real, professional union like the Fraternal Order of Police...your choice.......

Seems cut and dried to me that PBA is taking us for a ride. I'll support looking at another union, where can I get some info on them?

Seems cut and dried to me that PBA is taking us for a ride. I'll support looking at another union, where can I get some info on them?

Um, the internet maybe? duh! :roll:

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Seems cut and dried to me that PBA is taking us for a ride. I'll support looking at another union, where can I get some info on them?

IUPA - 1-800-247-4872 or IUPA.org

You forgot to mention part of the PBA dues goes to a group called NAGE. In turn they kick back about $18,000 per year back to the PBA. This goes indirectly into the salary of Vince and Nate.

They will hide that fact and deny it. Just dig a little and you will find out that this is true.

The Port St Lucie Police Officers Association, Local 6015, under the leadership of I.U.P.A. has just settled their contract. The payriases will be between 6.9% to 9.5% for each year of a three years contract with full retro pay.

[u]Yes, the raises of [b]6.9% to 9.5% are for each year for three years which equals 20.7% to 28.5% for three years for each I.U.P.A. member.

In addition, I.U.P.A. negotiated 100% full disability pay when injured on duty. Most other police departments receive 66-2/3% when injured.

Many other fine benefits and wording changes with we didn't have with Coastal PBA.

Yes, we are glad we made the switch to I.U.P.A. It did take a year to get this contract and we wern't sold out. This switch made us stronger and more united than ever before.

Heck, the PBA even tried getting cards signed to try and get us back, but they didn't get any signed.

Sounds like IUPA got a pretty good deal for the PSL cops. I've gotta agree with some of the previous posters, my back is starting to ache from carrying these tiny little units the PBA keeps signing up. Let's get the hell out of the PBA before we're the only ones left! I hear St. Lucie County SO is getting ready to decert the PBA, as well as their civilian unit. I just hope more and more people start to realize that the PBA is more of a problem than a solution!

The Port St Lucie Police Officers Association, Local 6015, under the leadership of I.U.P.A. has just settled their contract. The payriases will be between 6.9% to 9.5% for each year of a three years contract with full retro pay.

[u]Yes, the raises of [b]6.9% to 9.5% are for each year for three years which equals 20.7% to 28.5% for three years for each I.U.P.A. member.

In addition, I.U.P.A. negotiated 100% full disability pay when injured on duty. Most other police departments receive 66-2/3% when injured.

Many other fine benefits and wording changes with we didn't have with Coastal PBA.

Yes, we are glad we made the switch to I.U.P.A. It did take a year to get this contract and we wern't sold out. This switch made us stronger and more united than ever before.

Heck, the PBA even tried getting cards signed to try and get us back, but they didn't get any signed.

Atlantic Beach PD with PBA at the helm got between $6-8k this year plus longevity. Oviedo PD and Lts got 12% for two years. Flagler got 33% for three years. neener neener :devil:

You forgot to mention part of the PBA dues goes to a group called NAGE. In turn they kick back about $18,000 per year back to the PBA. This goes indirectly into the salary of Vince and Nate.

They will hide that fact and deny it. Just dig a little and you will find out that this is true.


And, they know where Jimmy Hoffa is buried and they won't tell! I hear that they keep him buried with the Roswell crash material and Elvis keeps watch.

Hey, i found a neat website. Its http://www.policingiupa.org/ . You should check it out.

Hey IUPA, what's this mean?

The International Union of Police Associations was created to represent hard working officers yet our experience and research shows-

IUPA made $4.8 million in telemarketing donations but spent $4.3 on “fundraising expenses.” WHY?
IUPA Bought a $24,000 sports car for the Union’s lawyer even though he was already being paid $133,000 a year. WHY?
IUPA paid union leaders $533,000 in salaries and $102,000 in benefits packages. WHY?
IUPA spent $275,000 on “conferences” for the union leaders. WHY?
IUPA moved their headquarters out of Washington DC to Sarasota, FL. The new location is just 6 miles from President Cabral’s vacation home. WHY?
Source: International Union of Police Associations IRS 990 Filings

I guess you get what you pay for. Thats the difference between IUPA and Coastal Florida PBA. Quality Officers along with Qualified Union Officers instead of Has Beens and Dictators.

I see the PBA propaganda machine is still in force. In the latest issue of their "BOLO" newsletter, Vince Champion talks about their new attorney and the "wealth" of labor law experience he has. A search of Val Shealey's profile with the Florida Bar shows it was updated on August 27, 2008 and that he's now listing his practice areas as PERSONAL INJURY and labor/employment law. Wow, the PBA hires an inexperienced attorney and tells him to put "labor/employment law" under the practice area on his profile and now he's got a "wealth" of experience!!!! ROTFLMFAO. You've got to be kidding me Vince! This guy has never practiced labor law according to his own law firm's website before you hired him, and now that you told him to change his profile with the Florida Bar he has a "wealth" of experience?

Here's an idea Vince, rather than trying to cover up the fact that you hired, yet again, someone unqualified and incompetent to do their job, why don't you spend time actually finding a qualified attorney to represent your members? Oh wait, that would mean you'd have to pay for one, and no labor lawyer worth his bar license would work for what you'd pay them. And if you paid them any more, why that would come out of your salary and Ingram's salary wouldn't it? Can't have that, can we Vince?

How many weeks or months has it been since Ingram was on this board? Can't argue with the truth, can you Nate? And Vince, I know you're reading this, but at least Nate has the balls to come on here and try to explain himself, why are you hiding behind him? Explain yourself to your membership in something other than your carefully crafted b.s. BOLO rag. Defend the incompetents you keep hiring and explain how Shealey is going to be any better than any of the 700 other attorneys you've had.

The facts are that both PBA and IUPA are lousy, second rate unions. When you get tired of carrying the PBA on your back BCSO and you're ready to have a real, professional union with a large, nationwide membership represent you, then come on over to the Fraternal Order of Police!

I see the PBA propaganda machine is still in force. In the latest issue of their "BOLO" newsletter, Vince Champion talks about their new attorney and the "wealth" of labor law experience he has. A search of Val Shealey's profile with the Florida Bar shows it was updated on August 27, 2008 and that he's now listing his practice areas as PERSONAL INJURY and labor/employment law. Wow, the PBA hires an inexperienced attorney and tells him to put "labor/employment law" under the practice area on his profile and now he's got a "wealth" of experience!!!! ROTFLMFAO. You've got to be kidding me Vince! This guy has never practiced labor law according to his own law firm's website before you hired him, and now that you told him to change his profile with the Florida Bar he has a "wealth" of experience?

Here's an idea Vince, rather than trying to cover up the fact that you hired, yet again, someone unqualified and incompetent to do their job, why don't you spend time actually finding a qualified attorney to represent your members? Oh wait, that would mean you'd have to pay for one, and no labor lawyer worth his bar license would work for what you'd pay them. And if you paid them any more, why that would come out of your salary and Ingram's salary wouldn't it? Can't have that, can we Vince?

How many weeks or months has it been since Ingram was on this board? Can't argue with the truth, can you Nate? And Vince, I know you're reading this, but at least Nate has the balls to come on here and try to explain himself, why are you hiding behind him? Explain yourself to your membership in something other than your carefully crafted b.s. BOLO rag. Defend the incompetents you keep hiring and explain how Shealey is going to be any better than any of the 700 other attorneys you've had.

The facts are that both PBA and IUPA are lousy, second rate unions. When you get tired of carrying the PBA on your back BCSO and you're ready to have a real, professional union with a large, nationwide membership represent you, then come on over to the Fraternal Order of Police!

Yeah. FOP. Right. Didn't they just give up the pension plan at Melbourne? FOp=Hatchagan. He got fired from Broward [edit]. I've seen the IA when it got circulated around Melbourne. He's a real winner. FOp has what, 9 contracts around the state. Coastal alone has 48 contracts it negotiates. I remember that Fop flyer that claimed it even represented Brevard County SO for collective bargaining purposes. Ain't that sumthin? Hey Bert, go back to drinkin beer at the lodge. or focus on ur Lts bars. :devil:

I see the PBA propaganda machine is still in force. In the latest issue of their "BOLO" newsletter, Vince Champion talks about their new attorney and the "wealth" of labor law experience he has. A search of Val Shealey's profile with the Florida Bar shows it was updated on August 27, 2008 and that he's now listing his practice areas as PERSONAL INJURY and labor/employment law. Wow, the PBA hires an inexperienced attorney and tells him to put "labor/employment law" under the practice area on his profile and now he's got a "wealth" of experience!!!! ROTFLMFAO. You've got to be kidding me Vince! This guy has never practiced labor law according to his own law firm's website before you hired him, and now that you told him to change his profile with the Florida Bar he has a "wealth" of experience?


Direct from the website of Baker and Shealey, I give you the proof of what the other poster says.

I guess they forgot this one, which tells what type of Civil Matters that their firm handles. What, no Labor and Employment Law?

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo51/NateIngram/BakerandShealey2.jpg

Here is the link.http://bakerandshealey.com/pareas.htm

Oooopppssss. Here is another one that shows the areas of Civil Matters that their firm handles. What, no Labor and Employment Law?

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo51/NateIngram/BakerandShealy.jpg

Here is the link. http://bakerandshealey.com/civil.htm

Here is one page from their web site that they did change.

http://i361.photobucket.com/albums/oo51/NateIngram/BakerandShealey3-1.jpg

Here is a link to it.http://bakerandshealey.com/shealeybio.htm

But notice the area I circled in red. Does this Attorney who is now representing the PBA, also specialize in suing Police Officers, accusing them of Police Misconduct?

Gee, I wonder if his heart would be whole heartedly behind winning a case for an officer in an IA, or wondering how much he could win representing the citizen suing the officer...

Wow Jimmy boy, it must suck to have no life. to think all you have to do is scope out the PBA and see how it should be done..... :evil:

Wow Jimmy boy, it must suck to have no life. to think all you have to do is scope out the PBA and see how it should be done..... :evil:

Wow, guess the truth really does hurt doesn't it Nate/Vince/Scott? Yet another in the long line of inexperienced employees working for the PBA, and I'm sure he'll stick around for a good long time because you only fire the guys with actual experience who know what they're doing. Wake up folks, while you're sitting at the IA table with this guy Shealey, or worse yet, Bingham or Boettger representing you, get ready to kiss your career goodbye. After you get fired, thanks to the inept CFPBA representation, maybe you can ask them for a refund for all the dues money you wasted on them over the years. Of course, they'll have to sell Nate's car or perhaps cut Vince Champion's salary, or maybe tell Scotty he can't go on the Vegas excursion this year, but none of those things will ever happen so you'll be S.O.L. OR, you can take charge of your own life, your own career, and not rely upon the lousy CFPBA in bed with Jack Parker, and stop allowing them to waste your hard earned dues money on themselves. Get out of the PBA and into the FOP and see what a difference a REAL union will make in your career!

Wow I guess if I'm called in on an IA I should hire my own attorney. It doesn't seem like the PBA really has our best interests at heart if this is the type of guy they hire. Maybe I should get out of the PBA and save my dues money that I'm paying every month for a real attorney like Phil Lupo.

Lupo told the PBA to get lost after Nate made the great decision not to hire him back. They hired that Maria chick back but they wouldn't hire Lupo and he was the only decent attorney I can ever remember coming out of that place. That's one of the reasons why I'm an EX PBA member.

Lupo told the PBA to get lost after Nate made the great decision not to hire him back. They hired that Maria chick back but they wouldn't hire Lupo and he was the only decent attorney I can ever remember coming out of that place. That's one of the reasons why I'm an EX PBA member.


Yeah then Lupo went and repped Bob Allen against a couple of Titusville cops after Bob got caught by TPD in the mens room. Way to go Lupo! Besides, didn't he want $80k a year to work 20 hours a month for PBA? I heard that was why Mr. Ingram didn't hire him back. :cop:

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Lupo told the PBA to get lost after Nate made the great decision not to hire him back. They hired that Maria chick back but they wouldn't hire Lupo and he was the only decent attorney I can ever remember coming out of that place. That's one of the reasons why I'm an EX PBA member.


Yeah then Lupo went and repped Bob Allen against a couple of Titusville cops after Bob got caught by TPD in the mens room. Way to go Lupo! Besides, didn't he want $80k a year to work 20 hours a month for PBA? I heard that was why Mr. Ingram didn't hire him back. :cop:

You need to get your facts straight. Bob Allen was represented by Eisenmenger, not Lupo. You can verify this by going to the Clerk of Courts website: http://webinfo4.brevardclerk.us/facts/d_party_atty.cfm

Yeah then Lupo went and repped Bob Allen against a couple of Titusville cops after Bob got caught by TPD in the mens room. Way to go Lupo! Besides, didn't he want $80k a year to work 20 hours a month for PBA? I heard that was why Mr. Ingram didn't hire him back. :cop:


It seems to me that we get what we pay for and I'd rather have my dues money going to pay Lupo 80K a year and have someone who knows what he's doing rather than my dues money going to whatever they're paying this new guy. Lupo is a defense attorney, he goes against cops all the time, that's part of his job, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't go all out in defending you in an IA. Get real man.

I see Jimmy Whiner is still rearing his UGLY head on our board. Give it a rest Jimmy. BCSO is solidly with PBA and we're not going to join your pathetic excuse for a union. Go back to work escorting kids to detention and carry out your fight with Nate and Vince somewhere else. If you think Phil Lupo is so great, you can have him. While I haven't talked to or met Val Shealey yet, I'm sure he's plenty qualified to do the job. I know Lupo, been cross examined by him on the stand before several times and I don't think he's all that great, certainly not to the tune of 80 grand a year :roll: Nate made the right choice in not giving into his salary demands and we're all the better for it!

Lupo told the PBA to get lost after Nate made the great decision not to hire him back. They hired that Maria chick back but they wouldn't hire Lupo and he was the only decent attorney I can ever remember coming out of that place. That's one of the reasons why I'm an EX PBA member.


Yeah then Lupo went and repped Bob Allen against a couple of Titusville cops after Bob got caught by TPD in the mens room. Way to go Lupo! Besides, didn't he want $80k a year to work 20 hours a month for PBA? I heard that was why Mr. Ingram didn't hire him back. :cop:

You need to get your facts straight. Bob Allen was represented by Eisenmenger, not Lupo. You can verify this by going to the Clerk of Courts website: http://webinfo4.brevardclerk.us/facts/d_party_atty.cfm

So that wasn't Phil Lupo giving quotes to the media saying "I'm Phil Lupo, I represent Bob Allen...."? It sure looked and sounded like Lupo.

Let's see "He allegedly offered an undercover police officer $20 for the unspecified act. His attorney, Philip Lupo of Titusville, said the charge was a second-degree misdemeanor." CNN July 12, 2007

how about this link? http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_p ... ot-gu.html (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2007/07/allen-im-not-gu.html)

Let's look at Lupo's website: http://www.lupolaw.net/

Our areas of expertise include:
Family / Divorce Law

Auto Accidents

Civil Litigation

Personal Injury
Criminal Defense
Traffic / DUI
Wills / Probate

Let's see, he specializes in family and divorce law. Criminal defense is fifth on that list. :cop:

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[quote=Guest]Lupo told the PBA to get lost after Nate made the great decision not to hire him back. They hired that Maria chick back but they wouldn't hire Lupo and he was the only decent attorney I can ever remember coming out of that place. That's one of the reasons why I'm an EX PBA member.


Yeah then Lupo went and repped Bob Allen against a couple of Titusville cops after Bob got caught by TPD in the mens room. Way to go Lupo! Besides, didn't he want $80k a year to work 20 hours a month for PBA? I heard that was why Mr. Ingram didn't hire him back. :cop:

You need to get your facts straight. Bob Allen was represented by Eisenmenger, not Lupo. You can verify this by going to the Clerk of Courts website: http://webinfo4.brevardclerk.us/facts/d_party_atty.cfm

So that wasn't Phil Lupo giving quotes to the media saying "I'm Phil Lupo, I represent Bob Allen...."? It sure looked and sounded like Lupo.

Let's see "He allegedly offered an undercover police officer $20 for the unspecified act. His attorney, Philip Lupo of Titusville, said the charge was a second-degree misdemeanor." CNN July 12, 2007

how about this link? http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_p ... ot-gu.html (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2007/07/allen-im-not-gu.html)

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Once again .. the official record is: http://webinfo4.brevardclerk.us/facts/d_party_atty.cfm

PERC Case No. CB-2008-065, Magnuson v. Florida PBA

A PBA member filed an unfair labor practice against the Florida PBA for failing to assist him during his pre-determination conference. The ULP was dismissed as being untimely among other reasons, but to quote page two of the order:

"Magnuson, a union member, called PBA attorney Hal Johnson for assistance. Magnuson explained the current charge and his past two disciplinary actions. Johnson noted that this was Magnuson's third disciplinary charge and that he was a short term employee. Johnson advised Magnuson that he resign and refused to represent him."

Seems like the PBA has a pattern of this sort of behavior. The CFPBA refused to represent several Port St. Lucie PD officers and instead advised them to resign when they were facing disciplinary action. Of course with inexperienced attorneys like Val Shealey and lousy reps like Johnny Bingham they're not going to be much help to you anyway when you're sitting there in staff services watching your career flash before your eyes. Wake up folks, and quit sending your dues money down the drain by supporting this lame, weak union that won't even fight for it's own members.

PERC Case No. CB-2008-065, Magnuson v. Florida PBA

A PBA member filed an unfair labor practice against the Florida PBA for failing to assist him during his pre-determination conference. The ULP was dismissed as being untimely among other reasons, but to quote page two of the order:

"Magnuson, a union member, called PBA attorney Hal Johnson for assistance. Magnuson explained the current charge and his past two disciplinary actions. Johnson noted that this was Magnuson's third disciplinary charge and that he was a short term employee. Johnson advised Magnuson that he resign and refused to represent him."

Seems like the PBA has a pattern of this sort of behavior. The CFPBA refused to represent several Port St. Lucie PD officers and instead advised them to resign when they were facing disciplinary action. Of course with inexperienced attorneys like Val Shealey and lousy reps like Johnny Bingham they're not going to be much help to you anyway when you're sitting there in staff services watching your career flash before your eyes. Wake up folks, and quit sending your dues money down the drain by supporting this lame, weak union that won't even fight for it's own members.

And what was the wonderful FOP doing during this time? Oh yeah, they were organizing a little league baseball tournament. YAY!! Now, there's a real (cough) union for ya!! Any union rep (from any union) will tell you that with a three time loser like this guy, you just have to cut your losses and tell the guy to resign. Especially if the case against him is rock solid and losing will certainly result in his being fired.

I guess the point is that PBA won't fight for you. I've been a PBA member for a few years and I've heard this from time to time, that PBA won't fight for you unless they can get some publicity out of it like that deal up in Volusia where they fought against the state attorney. I've never been in trouble so I've never needed PBA for that but I do hear those stories and then I see stuff like this and I've gotta wonder if the PBA will have my back. Yeah this guy Maguson was a three time loser, but we don't know the entire circumstances surrounding that and for the PBA to just refuse to even try to help him, that's pretty low. Isn't that what we pay dues for?

www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/nov/15/port-st ... -oks-cont/ (http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2008/nov/15/port-st-lucie-police-officers-association-oks-cont/)
(Go to the above link to see the newspaper article)

The Port St. Lucie Police Officers Association OKs contract terms with city

Saturday, November 15, 2008

PORT ST. LUCIE — The Port St. Lucie Police Officers Association, a local chapter of the International Union of Police Associations, this week agreed on contract terms with the city that include salary increases for officers, according to an IUPA spokesman and a release.

The terms call for a lump sum average salary increase ranging from almost 7 percent to more than 9 percent per year for the next three years, a release states. Also, the officers are expected to receive a retroactive pay increase.

The union also got 100 percent full disability pay for officers injured in the line of duty, compared to about 67 percent pay in the past.

The agreement comes after about a year of negotiations and affects at least 200 police officers, said Rich Roberts, IUPA public information officer.

"This is the best contract they've ever gotten," Roberts said of the impacted officers. "They've made that clear to us."

Yet more proof, as if any was needed, that the PBA is worthless. PBA won't get you a decent contract, won't live up to their obligations and represent you in your time of need (and even if they do they'll send an inexperienced rep to "help" you), basically won't do a damn thing except take your money and spend it on a fancy new office, lunches for their staff members, cars for their staff members, and I could go on and on and on.

Ask yourselves this my fellow deputies...where is the majority of that money coming from? It's coming from US! The PBA hasn't added any new bargaining units of substance in a long time and it's losing members every day from the ones it's already got. Talk to people at the St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office, they're about ready to bolt the PBA. Same as the Port St. Lucie civilians. That's more big units gone and even more pressure being put on us to support this lousy union and its corrupt and inept "leadership" Vince and Nate.

As you'll notice, Nate stopped coming on this board to address these concerns. He doesn't like going to a place where he can't control the information. Oh sure, he'll respond to you all day long when you send him a "friendly" e-mail in which you act like you believe his line of b.s. and support him and Vince, but send him an e-mail questioning his lousy handling of the union and you won't ever get a response. Come on Nate, I know you're not that busy as you haven't organized any new units in a long, long time. When's Seminole County coming aboard again Nate? Putnam County coming too right Nate?

Nate even gave up some of Coastal Florida's territory back to the Florida PBA. Coastal Florida PBA had Marion County, and represented a police agency in the tiny town of Dunnellon. Only about six members, but that's damn good considering the table scraps ole Natey boy has been bringing in since he was hired almost two years ago. The point is that Nate could have tried to organize the City of Ocala PD, or maybe the Marion County S.O., but rather than try he just gave up the territory back to Florida PBA (which incidentally failed to organized Marion County S.O.).

So how about it Brevard? Are you tired yet of this lame-ass "union" that is struggling to hold on to it's own membership and can't even organize any new units? If your back is getting tired from carrying this union, get out and join the FOP. You'll have local control of your own union and get to make your own decisions about your future. You won't have to depend upon guys from other agencies in other counties calling the shots for you anymore. Do you REALLY think Vince Champion cares about you beyond your providing your monthly dues check to pay his salary and his car note?

Oh yes, I almost forgot to mention this. Check out how popular the Coastal Florida PBA discussion group on Yahoo is, all of two members, Nate and Vince. Founded on November 30, 2007, almost one year ago, and they've grown their membership on that site to TWO members. Seems like their just as good at growing that site as they are their actual union. Of course they won't lose members on that site, until Vince Champion wises up and fires Nate for his stunning incompetence.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cfpba/

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Yet more proof, as if any was needed, that the PBA is worthless. PBA won't get you a decent contract, won't live up to their obligations and represent you in your time of need (and even if they do they'll send an inexperienced rep to "help" you), basically won't do a darn thing except take your money and spend it on a fancy new office, lunches for their staff members, cars for their staff members, and I could go on and on and on.

Ask yourselves this my fellow deputies...where is the majority of that money coming from? It's coming from US! The PBA hasn't added any new bargaining units of substance in a long time and it's losing members every day from the ones it's already got. Talk to people at the St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office, they're about ready to bolt the PBA. Same as the Port St. Lucie civilians. That's more big units gone and even more pressure being put on us to support this lousy union and its corrupt and inept "leadership" Vince and Nate.

As you'll notice, Nate stopped coming on this board to address these concerns. He doesn't like going to a place where he can't control the information. Oh sure, he'll respond to you all day long when you send him a "friendly" e-mail in which you act like you believe his line of b.s. and support him and Vince, but send him an e-mail questioning his lousy handling of the union and you won't ever get a response. Come on Nate, I know you're not that busy as you haven't organized any new units in a long, long time. When's Seminole County coming aboard again Nate? Putnam County coming too right Nate?

Nate even gave up some of Coastal Florida's territory back to the Florida PBA. Coastal Florida PBA had Marion County, and represented a police agency in the tiny town of Dunnellon. Only about six members, but that's darn good considering the table scraps ole Natey boy has been bringing in since he was hired almost two years ago. The point is that Nate could have tried to organize the City of Ocala PD, or maybe the Marion County S.O., but rather than try he just gave up the territory back to Florida PBA (which incidentally failed to organized Marion County S.O.).

So how about it Brevard? Are you tired yet of this lame-ass "union" that is struggling to hold on to it's own membership and can't even organize any new units? If your back is getting tired from carrying this union, get out and join the FOP. You'll have local control of your own union and get to make your own decisions about your future. You won't have to depend upon guys from other agencies in other counties calling the shots for you anymore. Do you REALLY think Vince Champion cares about you beyond your providing your monthly dues check to pay his salary and his car note?

Hey FOP guy ... if you're so good, why don't you try to organize BCSO the right way instead of coming in here with your bullshit?

Why would anyone want to come on to this website and argue with idiots? PBa propaganda, you're simply pushing your own agenda and not getting involved, as usual. When was the last time you attended contract negotiations? Attending any political functions? doing anything besides sitting at your mom's home in your boxers with some Cheetohs blogging away I'd bet. If you had an ounce of courage, you'd actually post using your name. Ingram at least registered and used his name on here as opposed to you hiding. Coward!

Why would anyone want to come on to this website and argue with idiots? PBa propaganda, you're simply pushing your own agenda and not getting involved, as usual. When was the last time you attended contract negotiations? Attending any political functions? doing anything besides sitting at your mom's home in your boxers with some Cheetohs blogging away I'd bet. If you had an ounce of courage, you'd actually post using your name. Ingram at least registered and used his name on here as opposed to you hiding. Coward!


Hmmmm, unless your parents are a couple of retards, they probably didn't name you "Huh?" You've got quite the nerve to come on here and accuse me of cowardice for not revealing my identity when you fail to do so yourself. And yes, Nate Ingram has registered on here under his own name, but when was the last time he was on here to respond to any of the things I've said? Where is his explanation for the Coastal Florida PBA's slipping membership numbers? Where is his explanation for his complete and utter failure to organize any substantial bargaining units in the TWO years he's been "working" for the Coastal Florida PBA? Where is his explanation for hiring yet another in a long and seemingly endless line of incompetent and unprepared attorneys?

As I noted above, Nate will not address these questions, because he has no ready answers for them that aren't thinly disguised b.s. He can claim that the CFPBA is organinzing all these new counties, like Seminole and Putnam, but the reality is to those of us that have friends in those agencies and know first hand that the only "organizing" Nate has done is to post that lame posting on Seminole County's board here on Leoaffairs and to send Johnny Bingham to town on one occasion to lamely talk to a couple of deputies about whether they were "happy". Great job Nate, did they teach you those techniques in that seminar on how to run a union you got sent to?

The thing is, that it's really not Nate's fault. Much like a retarded child who doesn't know any better, he's just following the lousy direction of the REAL problem behind Coastal Florida PBA, President Vince Champion. Vince ultimately makes the hiring decisions, so the buck stops with him when the PBA hires yet another unqualified attorney to represent you at your civil service hearing. It was Vince that carried along that convicted child molester Pat McGuire for years as the executive director (note to Leoaffairs.com staff, this is NOT a personal slur, it's a fact....see for yourselves at http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates ... =321026538 (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=321026538))

Vince Champion didn't even get a raise for his own agency in the new contract he and Nate negotiated this summer. Ormond Beach PD did not get a raise but rather the promise of a "significant raise" the following year and a two percent (TWO PERCENT!!!) raise that "could be renegotiated (probably down to 1 percent). Way to go Vince! Way to look out for your own co-workers! (See minutes of Ormond Beach City Commission Meeting, July 15, 2008, Item #8(I)). Vince was even nice enough to show up at the city commission meeting and express his appreciation for everyone involved in the negotiations.

The facts are out there folks...judge for yourselves how ineffective the PBA is and take my advice and GET OUT before it's too late!

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[quote="Huh?":3p4kqshv]Why would anyone want to come on to this website and argue with idiots? PBa propaganda, you're simply pushing your own agenda and not getting involved, as usual. When was the last time you attended contract negotiations? Attending any political functions? doing anything besides sitting at your mom's home in your boxers with some Cheetohs blogging away I'd bet. If you had an ounce of courage, you'd actually post using your name. Ingram at least registered and used his name on here as opposed to you hiding. Coward!


Hmmmm, unless your parents are a couple of retards, they probably didn't name you "Huh?" You've got quite the nerve to come on here and accuse me of cowardice for not revealing my identity when you fail to do so yourself. And yes, Nate Ingram has registered on here under his own name, but when was the last time he was on here to respond to any of the things I've said? Where is his explanation for the Coastal Florida PBA's slipping membership numbers? Where is his explanation for his complete and utter failure to organize any substantial bargaining units in the TWO years he's been "working" for the Coastal Florida PBA? Where is his explanation for hiring yet another in a long and seemingly endless line of incompetent and unprepared attorneys?

As I noted above, Nate will not address these questions, because he has no ready answers for them that aren't thinly disguised b.s. He can claim that the CFPBA is organinzing all these new counties, like Seminole and Putnam, but the reality is to those of us that have friends in those agencies and know first hand that the only "organizing" Nate has done is to post that lame posting on Seminole County's board here on Leoaffairs and to send Johnny Bingham to town on one occasion to lamely talk to a couple of deputies about whether they were "happy". Great job Nate, did they teach you those techniques in that seminar on how to run a union you got sent to?

The thing is, that it's really not Nate's fault. Much like a retarded child who doesn't know any better, he's just following the lousy direction of the REAL problem behind Coastal Florida PBA, President Vince Champion. Vince ultimately makes the hiring decisions, so the buck stops with him when the PBA hires yet another unqualified attorney to represent you at your civil service hearing. It was Vince that carried along that convicted child molester Pat McGuire for years as the executive director (note to Leoaffairs.com staff, this is NOT a personal slur, it's a fact....see for yourselves at http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates ... =321026538 (http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates/detail.asp?Bookmark=1&From=list&SessionID=321026538))

Vince Champion didn't even get a raise for his own agency in the new contract he and Nate negotiated this summer. Ormond Beach PD did not get a raise but rather the promise of a "significant raise" the following year and a two percent (TWO PERCENT!!!) raise that "could be renegotiated (probably down to 1 percent). Way to go Vince! Way to look out for your own co-workers! (See minutes of Ormond Beach City Commission Meeting, July 15, 2008, Item #8(I)). Vince was even nice enough to show up at the city commission meeting and express his appreciation for everyone involved in the negotiations.

The facts are out there folks...judge for yourselves how ineffective the PBA is and take my advice and GET OUT before it's too late![/quote:3p4kqshv]

And your solution to all these accusations is what? Join the FOP? What have you and your union done that is so great? Please enlighten us with specific facts.

Goldstar,

You can learn all about the FOP and our 325,000 strong LEO membership at:

http://www.grandlodgefop.org/

I'm here on this board to point out the deficiencies of the PBA, to cut through the outright b.s. they sling every few months in the BOLO about what a great organization they are and how they're growing. The only thing growing about the PBA is the size of Nate Ingram's and Vince Champion's wallets on the dues of hard working members. If you want to keep your head in the sand and continue to think that an organization that has met negative growth in the two years that Ingram has been executive director has the pull and the power to get things done then that's your business. If you want to think that Vince Champion will fight for you when he won't even fight for his own co-workers at Ormond Beach PD and get them even a COLA instead of nothing, then that's up to you. Of course Vince doesn't care, but ask his co-workers how they feel about getting shafted out of no raise next year.

FOP never fails to get fair and equitable raises for its membership. FOP hires professionals who know how to do their jobs and don't have to learn on the job like Ingram, Kazouris, Shealey, Alvarez and all the others at the PBA over the years. Perhaps you can explain your loyalty to the PBA Goldstar. What have they done for you? Unless you're Scott Pikus, the answer is probably NOTHING.

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Once again, propaganda, you come here to hurl insults at people and offer no substance. Like I said in my last message, show us some SPECIFIC FACTS. Which agencies have benefitted from FOP representation and how? Then, if we agree that your organization will offer us better service, we can contact you. We don't want to see more insults and a website address. We want SPECIFIC FACTS. If you can't do that, then you're just using this blog as your personal ***** board and you're wasting our time.

Saw that Al Rainey got his tail caught in a crack and that the PBA is going to bat for him. I don't know Al that well, but it seems like he really kinda stepped in it and he's lucky he didn't get fired. Let's hope that new PBA attorney does know his stuff.

Saw that Al Rainey got his tail caught in a crack and that the PBA is going to bat for him. I don't know Al that well, but it seems like he really kinda stepped in it and he's lucky he didn't get fired. Let's hope that new PBA attorney does know his stuff.

PBA won't be able to help him, no matter who represents him. Nice of them to try though. After all, that is what we pay for.

Yet more proof, as if any was needed, that the PBA is worthless. PBA won't get you a decent contract, won't live up to their obligations and represent you in your time of need (and even if they do they'll send an inexperienced rep to "help" you), basically won't do a darn thing except take your money and spend it on a fancy new office, lunches for their staff members, cars for their staff members, and I could go on and on and on.

Ask yourselves this my fellow deputies...where is the majority of that money coming from? It's coming from US! The PBA hasn't added any new bargaining units of substance in a long time and it's losing members every day from the ones it's already got. Talk to people at the St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office, they're about ready to bolt the PBA. Same as the Port St. Lucie civilians. That's more big units gone and even more pressure being put on us to support this lousy union and its corrupt and inept "leadership" Vince and Nate.

As you'll notice, Nate stopped coming on this board to address these concerns. He doesn't like going to a place where he can't control the information. Oh sure, he'll respond to you all day long when you send him a "friendly" e-mail in which you act like you believe his line of b.s. and support him and Vince, but send him an e-mail questioning his lousy handling of the union and you won't ever get a response. Come on Nate, I know you're not that busy as you haven't organized any new units in a long, long time. When's Seminole County coming aboard again Nate? Putnam County coming too right Nate?

Nate even gave up some of Coastal Florida's territory back to the Florida PBA. Coastal Florida PBA had Marion County, and represented a police agency in the tiny town of Dunnellon. Only about six members, but that's darn good considering the table scraps ole Natey boy has been bringing in since he was hired almost two years ago. The point is that Nate could have tried to organize the City of Ocala PD, or maybe the Marion County S.O., but rather than try he just gave up the territory back to Florida PBA (which incidentally failed to organized Marion County S.O.).

So how about it Brevard? Are you tired yet of this lame-ass "union" that is struggling to hold on to it's own membership and can't even organize any new units? If your back is getting tired from carrying this union, get out and join the FOP. You'll have local control of your own union and get to make your own decisions about your future. You won't have to depend upon guys from other agencies in other counties calling the shots for you anymore. Do you REALLY think Vince Champion cares about you beyond your providing your monthly dues check to pay his salary and his car note?

Hey FOP guy ... if you're so good, why don't you try to organize BCSO the right way instead of coming in here with your bullshit?

Sure sounds like our wonderful PBA rep is weighing in here with insightful comments. What would you expect from a Cpl that just rides around and is in the managements pocket so he can keep doing nothing????? What a waste of air. Has he done anything???? He is just a management Do-Boy!!!!!

Little Scotty can get on here and try to defend the PBA all he wants, but he realizes there's no defense, so he doesn't really offer one. I offer specific facts about how the PBA is letting its membership down, and how the BCSO, as the biggest agency in the CFPBA is going to have to bear the burden of supporting this lame union. Your dues are going to support the Florida PBA, and the members who joined CFPBA through such powerhouse units as Atlantic Beach PD.

If there's a defense to be had, or an explanation to be given in a NEUTRAL forum, why isn't the PBA here to give it? Rather than asking why should you leave PBA, ask why should you STAY? What benefits are you getting from the PBA? You're going to pay the price for them to charge a windmill in defense of this Rainey guy. When they lose at arbitration, the PBA will have to pay thousands of dollars to the arbitrator for his time in hearing the case, his travel, his hotel room, his meals, and where's that money coming from? OUT OF YOUR POCKET! Simply because they have to put on a show in a losing case they can't win due to the lousy facts and their incompetent attorney Shealey.

Wake up folks, rather than buy into the PBA propaganda, ask the tough questions. Ask yourselves why Nate Ingram doesn't appear on this board anymore to answer these tough questions. The answer is because he knows everything I've told you is TRUE and that the PBA is losing members and is not attracting any new ones as they can't organize any new units (Seminole County? Putnam County anyone?). How about it Scotty....why don't you explain for Nate and Vince WHY these hard working deputies should remain a part of a failing, impotent union!

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Little Scotty can get on here and try to defend the PBA all he wants, but he realizes there's no defense, so he doesn't really offer one. I offer specific facts about how the PBA is letting its membership down, and how the BCSO, as the biggest agency in the CFPBA is going to have to bear the burden of supporting this lame union. Your dues are going to support the Florida PBA, and the members who joined CFPBA through such powerhouse units as Atlantic Beach PD.

If there's a defense to be had, or an explanation to be given in a NEUTRAL forum, why isn't the PBA here to give it? Rather than asking why should you leave PBA, ask why should you STAY? What benefits are you getting from the PBA? You're going to pay the price for them to charge a windmill in defense of this Rainey guy. When they lose at arbitration, the PBA will have to pay thousands of dollars to the arbitrator for his time in hearing the case, his travel, his hotel room, his meals, and where's that money coming from? OUT OF YOUR POCKET! Simply because they have to put on a show in a losing case they can't win due to the lousy facts and their incompetent attorney Shealey.

Wake up folks, rather than buy into the PBA propaganda, ask the tough questions. Ask yourselves why Nate Ingram doesn't appear on this board anymore to answer these tough questions. The answer is because he knows everything I've told you is TRUE and that the PBA is losing members and is not attracting any new ones as they can't organize any new units (Seminole County? Putnam County anyone?). How about it Scotty....why don't you explain for Nate and Vince WHY these hard working deputies should remain a part of a failing, impotent union!

Once again you come to this forum with your insults and whining. Still no specific facts on what the FOP can do for us. Stop the insults. Stop the *****ing. Stop the whining. SHOW US SOME SPECIFIC FACTS ON WHAT THE FOP CAN DO FOR US.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't see what PBA propaganda has to say as whining, I see them as legitimate questions about what we're getting from the PBA. I've talked to Nate about some of these things and I keep getting a variation on the theme that "PBA works hard for you" and "PBA is growing". I gotta say I'm concerned about their apparent inability to recruit new units and I've heard the rumors about other units, like the Port St. Lucie civilians, leaving the PBA. If that does happen, where will that leave us? I don't know that FOP or IUPA is an answer, but why won't PBA be straight with the members about the current state of the union? How are we going to keep our strength if we can't grow? I know Nate never had any experience running a union before he got hired, and that inexperience is showing. We're not growing, we're shrinking, so where is our leadership to answer for this?

They ain't gonna answer you. PBA is weak, always has been, and trying to get any of those guys to actually talk to you about their lousy union is next to impossible. I can't believe you got Ingram to talk to you, I've never been able to talk to him, even face to face on the few times I've seen him I've asked him questions and not gotten any replies. Forget about Vince Champion cause he won't take your calls or call you back if you leave a message. Everything I've heard about FOP and IUPA it at least sounds like their leadership talks to their membership. I agree with PBA Propaganda, Ingram and Champion for not getting on here and answering questions.

PBA sucks. I dropped them months ago.

Smart move dropping the PBA. As noted here ad nauseaum they haven't been able to do anything under the "leadership" of Nate Ingram and Vince Champion. Not that the PBA was all that great beforehand with their constant hiring of incompetent attorneys, including that one guy Feldman who'd actually been disbarred in another state and yet the PBA went ahead and hired him anyway.

Again I ask you all, what is the PBA doing to improve your lives? Where is the support from the PBA when you call their office up in Daytona? What kind of service do you get when you speak to the woman on the phone? Do you ever actually get to talk to Nate Ingram? Is he ever in the office? And what about Vince Champion? When is the last time anyone here (other than Scotty and Marlon) ever gotten to speak with him to express their concerns about the direction of the PBA? The fact is that 99 percent of the membership never gets an audience with either King Vince or Prince Nate because they're only interested in one thing...the dues money being siphoned out of your paycheck.

They won't even come into a neutral forum to answer for their stunning incompetence. Nate Ingram has never organized a unit of any size or substance in the two years he has been director of the Coastal Florida PBA. Where's Seminole County S.O.? How come they haven't joined PBA if Nate is sooo good at his job? How about Putnam County S.O.? Where are they Vince Champion? Where are the answers for all your empty promises? How much longer must Brevard County S.O. carry this pathetic excuse for a union on its weary back? How much longer does our dues money get wasted on an arbitration for an officer in Atlantic Beach PD or some civilian lunkhead in Port St. Lucie that Nate and Vince know they can't win, especially with newbie Shealey aboard, but they go ahead and file for anyway because Port St. Lucie civilians are getting ready to leave them!

Where are the answers Nate and Vince? This is a neutral forum, why are you so scared to answer?

Smart move dropping the PBA. As noted here ad nauseaum they haven't been able to do anything under the "leadership" of Nate Ingram and Vince Champion. Not that the PBA was all that great beforehand with their constant hiring of incompetent attorneys, including that one guy Feldman who'd actually been disbarred in another state and yet the PBA went ahead and hired him anyway.

Again I ask you all, what is the PBA doing to improve your lives? Where is the support from the PBA when you call their office up in Daytona? What kind of service do you get when you speak to the woman on the phone? Do you ever actually get to talk to Nate Ingram? Is he ever in the office? And what about Vince Champion? When is the last time anyone here (other than Scotty and Marlon) ever gotten to speak with him to express their concerns about the direction of the PBA? The fact is that 99 percent of the membership never gets an audience with either King Vince or Prince Nate because they're only interested in one thing...the dues money being siphoned out of your paycheck.

They won't even come into a neutral forum to answer for their stunning incompetence. Nate Ingram has never organized a unit of any size or substance in the two years he has been director of the Coastal Florida PBA. Where's Seminole County S.O.? How come they haven't joined PBA if Nate is sooo good at his job? How about Putnam County S.O.? Where are they Vince Champion? Where are the answers for all your empty promises? How much longer must Brevard County S.O. carry this pathetic excuse for a union on its weary back? How much longer does our dues money get wasted on an arbitration for an officer in Atlantic Beach PD or some civilian lunkhead in Port St. Lucie that Nate and Vince know they can't win, especially with newbie Shealey aboard, but they go ahead and file for anyway because Port St. Lucie civilians are getting ready to leave them!

Where are the answers Nate and Vince? This is a neutral forum, why are you so scared to answer?


Looks like you got your wish. Vince has fired Nate.

[goldstar]

Smart move dropping the PBA. As noted here ad nauseaum they haven't been able to do anything under the "leadership" of Nate Ingram and Vince Champion. Not that the PBA was all that great beforehand with their constant hiring of incompetent attorneys, including that one guy Feldman who'd actually been disbarred in another state and yet the PBA went ahead and hired him anyway.

Again I ask you all, what is the PBA doing to improve your lives? Where is the support from the PBA when you call their office up in Daytona? What kind of service do you get when you speak to the woman on the phone? Do you ever actually get to talk to Nate Ingram? Is he ever in the office? And what about Vince Champion? When is the last time anyone here (other than Scotty and Marlon) ever gotten to speak with him to express their concerns about the direction of the PBA? The fact is that 99 percent of the membership never gets an audience with either King Vince or Prince Nate because they're only interested in one thing...the dues money being siphoned out of your paycheck.

They won't even come into a neutral forum to answer for their stunning incompetence. Nate Ingram has never organized a unit of any size or substance in the two years he has been director of the Coastal Florida PBA. Where's Seminole County S.O.? How come they haven't joined PBA if Nate is sooo good at his job? How about Putnam County S.O.? Where are they Vince Champion? Where are the answers for all your empty promises? How much longer must Brevard County S.O. carry this pathetic excuse for a union on its weary back? How much longer does our dues money get wasted on an arbitration for an officer in Atlantic Beach PD or some civilian lunkhead in Port St. Lucie that Nate and Vince know they can't win, especially with newbie Shealey aboard, but they go ahead and file for anyway because Port St. Lucie civilians are getting ready to leave them!

Where are the answers Nate and Vince? This is a neutral forum, why are you so scared to answer?

You still haven't told us what the FOP can do for us. You still haven't told us what FOP has done for other agencies. You just keep complaining. Where are the answers Bert? This is a neutral forum, why are you so scared to answer?

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Nate got fired? About time and good riddance, now if only Vince would follow him out the door.

Not sure what the beef about Vince and not getting back with people is on here. I emailed him with a question last week and got a reply about 2 hours later. Try vchampion@cfpba.us

Thank God Nate Ingram was fired. But why, maybe he had the goods on Vince Champion aboout his wife being paid by the PBA, along with his fat salary from our hard earned money being taken in PBA dues. Wake up fellow deputies and smell the roses.

[delete]. Why don't they allow us to look at the books ??? Why was the audit done only on expenses over $500.00 ??? But what the heck, it's only our money [delete].

What goes around, comes around, Good riddance Nate, and hopefully next to go will be Vince Champion and [delete] Scott Pikus.

It is common knowledge that those two will lie their way out of practically anything.

Wow, what an expected move by Vince Champion. Rather than take responsibility for the sorry state the Coastal Florida PBA is in. Rather than take responsibility for hiring a man who was in no way qualified for the job and fire himself, he fired Nate Ingram. The buck stops at the top folks. Vince Champion has spent years hiring people that couldn't do the job rather than people who were actually competent at their jobs and has fired them all, but shouldn't he take the blame for hiring them in the first place? And hold on to your side everyone, as you bust out laughing over the fact that Vince has named Johnny Bingham as Nate's replacement!

Yeah, the same Johnny Bingham who can't figure out how to properly file an unfair labor practice. The same Johnny Bingham who hasn't organized a single bargaining unit since he started with the PBA almost two years ago, despite the fact that it's his JOB. We all know why Johnny got the job, being a pal of Vince from Ormond Beach PD is about the only "qualification" Johnny has for his new position. Vince just can't hire anyone worth a damn to run a professional union and it's time he paid the price for it. After molester McGuire, Vince was actually thinking about giving the job to that attorney Alvarez who was probably the worst attorney (and that's covering a lot of ground now) that the PBA EVER had. Instead David Murrell of Florida PBA was looking to get rid of Ingram and Vince volunteered to take him. Rather than conduct a real job search and hire someone of quality, Vince simply took a Florida PBA retread with no experience and look where the PBA is now...down over 1,000 members since 2005.

So how about it BCSO? Tired of dealing with an ineptly run "union" that is going to be of absolutely NO use to you when you're sitting in Dave McCormick's office with your career in jeopardy? Tired of the "union" wasting your dues money pursuing arbitration cases they can't win like Al Rainey's?

http://www.floridatoday.com/assets/pdf/A91227701119.PDF

Tired of this union hiring inexperienced attorneys and directors that embarss themselves and your union in public hearings before city councils?

http://www.port-orange.org/council/spec ... 192008.PDF (http://www.port-orange.org/council/special_minutes/CC06192008.PDF)

Then come on over and join a professionally run union that gets things done! Join the FOP! Talk to our local lodge president Bert Gamin about everything the FOP can do for you.

And to Goldstar, I'm not Bert Gamin, and I'm not George Hachigian, but keep on guessing Scotty.

And to the guest who gave me Vince's e-mail address, I have his private e-mail as well as well as his home and cell telephone numbers and he's never gotten back to me because he knows he can't answer for his mismanagement of the Coastal Florida PBA.

Thank God Nate Ingram was fired. But why, maybe he had the goods on Vince Champion aboout his wife being paid by the PBA, along with his fat salary from our hard earned money being taken in PBA dues. Wake up fellow deputies and smell the roses.

Why don't they allow us to look at the books ??? Why was the audit done only on expenses over $500.00 ??? But what the heck, it's only our money being misused.

What goes around, comes around, Good riddance Nate, and hopefully next to go will be Vince Champion and Scott Pikus.

It is common knowledge that those two will lie their way out of practically anything.


With McGuire doing nothing but time for the next five years with his lawsuit failing and with Vince not paying him off, I wouldn't be surprised if McGuire starts talking and telling his secrets that he knows about how Vince has been running the PBA all these years and how the membership's dues money has been misused time and time again, such as on cars for McGuire AND McGuire's wife, not to mention Ingram's sweet ride (which he probably didn't get to keep as a parting gift). Hmmmm...and wouldn't it be funny if Nate joins in that chorus to get revenge on Vince?

[goldstar]

Wow, what an expected move by Vince Champion. Rather than take responsibility for the sorry state the Coastal Florida PBA is in. Rather than take responsibility for hiring a man who was in no way qualified for the job and fire himself, he fired Nate Ingram. The buck stops at the top folks. Vince Champion has spent years hiring people that couldn't do the job rather than people who were actually competent at their jobs and has fired them all, but shouldn't he take the blame for hiring them in the first place? And hold on to your side everyone, as you bust out laughing over the fact that Vince has named Johnny Bingham as Nate's replacement!

Yeah, the same Johnny Bingham who can't figure out how to properly file an unfair labor practice. The same Johnny Bingham who hasn't organized a single bargaining unit since he started with the PBA almost two years ago, despite the fact that it's his JOB. We all know why Johnny got the job, being a pal of Vince from Ormond Beach PD is about the only "qualification" Johnny has for his new position. Vince just can't hire anyone worth a darn to run a professional union and it's time he paid the price for it. After molester McGuire, Vince was actually thinking about giving the job to that attorney Alvarez who was probably the worst attorney (and that's covering a lot of ground now) that the PBA EVER had. Instead David Murrell of Florida PBA was looking to get rid of Ingram and Vince volunteered to take him. Rather than conduct a real job search and hire someone of quality, Vince simply took a Florida PBA retread with no experience and look where the PBA is now...down over 1,000 members since 2005.

So how about it BCSO? Tired of dealing with an ineptly run "union" that is going to be of absolutely NO use to you when you're sitting in Dave McCormick's office with your career in jeopardy? Tired of the "union" wasting your dues money pursuing arbitration cases they can't win like Al Rainey's?

http://www.floridatoday.com/assets/pdf/A91227701119.PDF

Tired of this union hiring inexperienced attorneys and directors that embarss themselves and your union in public hearings before city councils?

http://www.port-orange.org/council/spec ... 192008.PDF (http://www.port-orange.org/council/special_minutes/CC06192008.PDF)

Then come on over and join a professionally run union that gets things done! Join the FOP! Talk to our local lodge president Bert Gamin about everything the FOP can do for you.

And to Goldstar, I'm not Bert Gamin, and I'm not George Hachigian, but keep on guessing Scotty.

And to the guest who gave me Vince's e-mail address, I have his private e-mail as well as well as his home and cell telephone numbers and he's never gotten back to me because he knows he can't answer for his mismanagement of the Coastal Florida PBA.

Why should we have to go to your lodge to find out what you can do for us? You talk about everything else in this forum, why not tell us IN THIS FORUM what the mighty FOP can do for us? Why not tell us IN THIS FORUM what the mighty FOP has done for other agencies? What are you afraid of Bert? Not being able to back up your claims? (Oh, by the way Bert, I'm not your nemesis Scotty.)

It has been told that Nate wasn't truthful in a lot of matters and the his past history he tried to hide was brought to light. Although he seems like a good person to your face he actually was another behind your back.

I am sorry once again the PBA has to be drug through the mud. Vince Champion is a excellent trustworthy person, officer, and President. Perhaps, if we found more people like him we would have less problems.

[deleted]

By the way, did Nate Ingram ever get hired as a BCSO Reserve Deputy ??? I sure hope not.

Wow, what an expected move by Vince Champion. Rather than take responsibility for the sorry state the Coastal Florida PBA is in. Rather than take responsibility for hiring a man who was in no way qualified for the job and fire himself, he fired Nate Ingram. The buck stops at the top folks. Vince Champion has spent years hiring people that couldn't do the job rather than people who were actually competent at their jobs and has fired them all, but shouldn't he take the blame for hiring them in the first place? And hold on to your side everyone, as you bust out laughing over the fact that Vince has named Johnny Bingham as Nate's replacement!

Yeah, the same Johnny Bingham who can't figure out how to properly file an unfair labor practice. The same Johnny Bingham who hasn't organized a single bargaining unit since he started with the PBA almost two years ago, despite the fact that it's his JOB. We all know why Johnny got the job, being a pal of Vince from Ormond Beach PD is about the only "qualification" Johnny has for his new position. Vince just can't hire anyone worth a darn to run a professional union and it's time he paid the price for it. After molester McGuire, Vince was actually thinking about giving the job to that attorney Alvarez who was probably the worst attorney (and that's covering a lot of ground now) that the PBA EVER had. Instead David Murrell of Florida PBA was looking to get rid of Ingram and Vince volunteered to take him. Rather than conduct a real job search and hire someone of quality, Vince simply took a Florida PBA retread with no experience and look where the PBA is now...down over 1,000 members since 2005.

So how about it BCSO? Tired of dealing with an ineptly run "union" that is going to be of absolutely NO use to you when you're sitting in Dave McCormick's office with your career in jeopardy? Tired of the "union" wasting your dues money pursuing arbitration cases they can't win like Al Rainey's?

http://www.floridatoday.com/assets/pdf/A91227701119.PDF

Tired of this union hiring inexperienced attorneys and directors that embarss themselves and your union in public hearings before city councils?

http://www.port-orange.org/council/spec ... 192008.PDF (http://www.port-orange.org/council/special_minutes/CC06192008.PDF)

Then come on over and join a professionally run union that gets things done! Join the FOP! Talk to our local lodge president Bert Gamin about everything the FOP can do for you.

And to Goldstar, I'm not Bert Gamin, and I'm not George Hachigian, but keep on guessing Scotty.

And to the guest who gave me Vince's e-mail address, I have his private e-mail as well as well as his home and cell telephone numbers and he's never gotten back to me because he knows he can't answer for his mismanagement of the Coastal Florida PBA.

We should have FOP and IUPA hold a meeting and explain the benifits of their oganizations. Let's get out while we can. I think we are aboard a sinking ship! :shock:

Wow, I'm shocked that Nate is gone. I never had any problems with him personally and always found him to be a nice guy who seem to care about the membership, contrary to what has been posted on this board. What did Nate do that finally got Vince to fire him..does anyone know? I'm talking about the truth, not rumors.

Wow, what an expected move by Vince Champion. Rather than take responsibility for the sorry state the Coastal Florida PBA is in. Rather than take responsibility for hiring a man who was in no way qualified for the job and fire himself, he fired Nate Ingram. The buck stops at the top folks. Vince Champion has spent years hiring people that couldn't do the job rather than people who were actually competent at their jobs and has fired them all, but shouldn't he take the blame for hiring them in the first place? And hold on to your side everyone, as you bust out laughing over the fact that Vince has named Johnny Bingham as Nate's replacement!

Yeah, the same Johnny Bingham who can't figure out how to properly file an unfair labor practice. The same Johnny Bingham who hasn't organized a single bargaining unit since he started with the PBA almost two years ago, despite the fact that it's his JOB. We all know why Johnny got the job, being a pal of Vince from Ormond Beach PD is about the only "qualification" Johnny has for his new position. Vince just can't hire anyone worth a darn to run a professional union and it's time he paid the price for it. After molester McGuire, Vince was actually thinking about giving the job to that attorney Alvarez who was probably the worst attorney (and that's covering a lot of ground now) that the PBA EVER had. Instead David Murrell of Florida PBA was looking to get rid of Ingram and Vince volunteered to take him. Rather than conduct a real job search and hire someone of quality, Vince simply took a Florida PBA retread with no experience and look where the PBA is now...down over 1,000 members since 2005.

So how about it BCSO? Tired of dealing with an ineptly run "union" that is going to be of absolutely NO use to you when you're sitting in Dave McCormick's office with your career in jeopardy? Tired of the "union" wasting your dues money pursuing arbitration cases they can't win like Al Rainey's?

http://www.floridatoday.com/assets/pdf/A91227701119.PDF

Tired of this union hiring inexperienced attorneys and directors that embarss themselves and your union in public hearings before city councils?

http://www.port-orange.org/council/spec ... 192008.PDF (http://www.port-orange.org/council/special_minutes/CC06192008.PDF)

Then come on over and join a professionally run union that gets things done! Join the FOP! Talk to our local lodge president Bert Gamin about everything the FOP can do for you.

And to Goldstar, I'm not Bert Gamin, and I'm not George Hachigian, but keep on guessing Scotty.

And to the guest who gave me Vince's e-mail address, I have his private e-mail as well as well as his home and cell telephone numbers and he's never gotten back to me because he knows he can't answer for his mismanagement of the Coastal Florida PBA.

We should have FOP and IUPA hold a meeting and explain the benifits of their oganizations. Let's get out while we can. I think we are aboard a sinking ship! :shock:

Don't need a meeting ... just go to their websites.

PSL Police Get New Contract
Salaries increase up to 9.5%

International Union of Police Associations

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 14, 2008

Contact: Rich Roberts
Ph. 941-487-2560
Cell 941-586-3658
This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

PSL Police Get New Contract

After negotiating with the city for a full year, The Port St. Lucie Police Officers Association, I.U.P.A. Local 6015 (PSLPOA) has reached agreement with the city on a contract. The terms of the contract call for a lump sum average salary increase ranging from 6.9 percent to as much as 9.5 percent per year for the next three years. Other terms include officers receiving retroactive pay increases in their mid-November paychecks.

A provision that is exclusively The I.U.P.A.'s and not available to officers in other bargaining units provides officers with one part of their raise each October 1st and the second part on each officer's anniversary date instead of officers having to wait for their anniversary date to receive their full pay increase.

The I.U.P.A. also successfully negotiated 100% full disability pay for officers injured in the line of duty, a benefit not enjoyed by the Police Benevolent Association's members. Prior to this agreement, Port St. Lucie and other police departments would only give an officer sixty six and two thirds of their pay when injured on duty. According to union negotiators this is a major benefit that will help protect I.U.P.A. members when it is most needed.

Union officers attributed their success in having an I.U.P.A. attorney at the bargaining table in obtaining many changes that did not provide the same kind of protection in prior contracts. As the newest bargaining unit in the department PSLPOA Vice President Jim Weinert said, "It really does pay to have a labor attorney at the bargaining table instead of a staff representative like before. Our joining The I.U.P.A. has made us stronger and more united than we have ever been."

Commenting on the contribution of The International Union of Police Associations headquarters unit that had contributed support throughout the protracted negotiations, Local #6015 Vice President Weinert concluded, "We are glad we made the switch to I.U.P.A. Your patience, understanding and most importantly, your support made this possible. Without your continued support, we couldn't have done this."

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Thank God Nate's gone now if only Vinny and [deleted]follow him out the door maybe this union can get strong again.

Yeah right, like this union is going to get strong with Johnny Bingham running it. No offense to Johnny cause he seems like a nice guy, but I've heard that he's no more qualified to run the PBA than Nate was. For God's sake Vince, haven't you learned your lesson yet about hiring unqualified people? Can't you find anyone with any competence to work for the PBA? I guess you really get what you pay for and since you're not willling to pay anyone a decent salary to work for you you're not going to get anyone but Florida PBA cast-offs like Ingram and lawyers with no labor law experience like Shealey.

What are you doing with all the dues money Vince? [deleted]

Man oh man I cannot wait for the next issue of the BOLO to come out and for Vince to try and spin his hiring of Johnny Bingham as the new ED of that thing he likes to call a "union". He couldn't have hardly done worse than Ingram, but don't ever underestimate your boy Vince and his ability to find the worst, most inept, inexperienced person for a job. I'll agree with one earlier poster that Johnny is a nice guy, but talking to him is like talking to Ingram. [delete] If you guys think Johnny is gonna save the union, you're really deluding yourselves and I've got a bridge in New York I'd love to sell ya.

Between [delete]Shealey who's never practiced labor law, and Bingham who's never been a union rep, has organized exactly ZERO units and misfiled at least one ULP in his illustrious career with organized labor, what in the world are you people still holding onto your membership in the PBA for exactly? Vince is ordering the band to play on while the Titanic is sinking beneath the waves and you're all just sitting there in the deck chairs watching. Enjoy the cold and icy North Atlantic while Vince, Johnny and [delete] sail off in a life raft bought with your hard earned dues money.

Wanna get into a life raft of your own? Come join the FOP, a professionally run union with employees who actually have experience in doing their jobs. Come and see the difference a real professional union can make.

[goldstar]

Man oh man I cannot wait for the next issue of the BOLO to come out and for Vince to try and spin his hiring of Johnny Bingham as the new ED of that thing he likes to call a "union". He couldn't have hardly done worse than Ingram, but don't ever underestimate your boy Vince and his ability to find the worst, most inept, inexperienced person for a job. I'll agree with one earlier poster that Johnny is a nice guy, but talking to him is like talking to Ingram. [delete] If you guys think Johnny is gonna save the union, you're really deluding yourselves and I've got a bridge in New York I'd love to sell ya.

Between [delete] Shealey who's never practiced labor law, and Bingham who's never been a union rep, has organized exactly ZERO units and misfiled at least one ULP in his illustrious career with organized labor, what in the world are you people still holding onto your membership in the PBA for exactly? Vince is ordering the band to play on while the Titanic is sinking beneath the waves and you're all just sitting there in the deck chairs watching. Enjoy the cold and icy North Atlantic while Vince, Johnny [delete] sail off in a life raft bought with your hard earned dues money.

Wanna get into a life raft of your own? Come join the FOP, a professionally run union with employees who actually have experience in doing their jobs. Come and see the difference a real professional union can make.

Here we go again ... How many times do I have to type this? --You still haven't told us what the FOP can do for us. You still haven't told us what FOP has done for other agencies. When are you going to post facts to back up your claims about how great FOP is? Forget your gripes about Vince, Nate, Pikus and anyone else you have a grudge against. Your constant rants are getting old. GIVE US THE FACTS OR GET LOST!

I'm actually thinking about rejoining the PBA now that they got rid of Nate Ingram. That guy was clueless but I don't know about the new guy Bingham. Maybe I ought to wait for a while and see how this develops cause I don't have any faith in IUPA or FOP either.

And Coastal Florida PBA got us a big fat ZERO PERCENT pay raise for this coming year down here at the St. Lucie County Sheriffs Office. We'll be joining our fellow brother and sister officers at Port St Lucie and join IUPA.


PSL Police Get New Contract
Salaries increase up to 9.5%

International Union of Police Associations

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: November 14, 2008

Contact: Rich Roberts
Ph. 941-487-2560
Cell 941-586-3658
This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

PSL Police Get New Contract

After negotiating with the city for a full year, The Port St. Lucie Police Officers Association, I.U.P.A. Local 6015 (PSLPOA) has reached agreement with the city on a contract. The terms of the contract call for a lump sum average salary increase ranging from 6.9 percent to as much as 9.5 percent per year for the next three years. Other terms include officers receiving retroactive pay increases in their mid-November paychecks.

A provision that is exclusively The I.U.P.A.'s and not available to officers in other bargaining units provides officers with one part of their raise each October 1st and the second part on each officer's anniversary date instead of officers having to wait for their anniversary date to receive their full pay increase.

The I.U.P.A. also successfully negotiated 100% full disability pay for officers injured in the line of duty, a benefit not enjoyed by the Police Benevolent Association's members. Prior to this agreement, Port St. Lucie and other police departments would only give an officer sixty six and two thirds of their pay when injured on duty. According to union negotiators this is a major benefit that will help protect I.U.P.A. members when it is most needed.

Union officers attributed their success in having an I.U.P.A. attorney at the bargaining table in obtaining many changes that did not provide the same kind of protection in prior contracts. As the newest bargaining unit in the department PSLPOA Vice President Jim Weinert said, "It really does pay to have a labor attorney at the bargaining table instead of a staff representative like before. Our joining The I.U.P.A. has made us stronger and more united than we have ever been."

Commenting on the contribution of The International Union of Police Associations headquarters unit that had contributed support throughout the protracted negotiations, Local #6015 Vice President Weinert concluded, "We are glad we made the switch to I.U.P.A. Your patience, understanding and most importantly, your support made this possible. Without your continued support, we couldn't have done this."

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And Coastal Florida PBA got us a big fat ZERO PERCENT pay raise for this coming year down here at the St. Lucie County Sheriffs Office. We'll be joining our fellow brother and sister officers at Port St Lucie and join IUPA.

Yeah, and Vince Champion didn't even get a raise for his own unit at Ormond Beach when he and Nate negotiated the Ormond Beach contract. Then Vince had the nerve to show up at the city commission meeting and THANK the city of Ormond Beach for working with the PBA on the contract.

And you want to be a part of a union that has THIS guy as the president? Not to mention the fact that the city of Port Orange workers went to impasse this summer and didn't get a raise after contract negotiations there. Nate conducted the impasse hearing himself and actually had to be instructed by City Attorney Margaret Roberts that he had to confine his presentation to the issues at impasse. I guess he got some good legal advice from those fine PBA attorneys.

Wake up BCSO, leave this poor, pathetic excuse for a union and come join the FOP, which has consistently gotten raises above and beyond a simple COLA for all its bargaining units. Want to stay at zero percent like Ormond Beach PD and now apparently St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office? Then stay PBA. Want to make a change for the better? Then come on over to FOP!

The Pba is a freaking joke. I haven't read one good comment about them on this entire board. They don't hire good people, they don't win unfair labor practices and arbitrations, they can't organize any units, they are losing members left and right. What point is there in staying with them? Can anyone come up with a good reason to stay with the PBA?

I went and looked up the minutes for the Ormond Beach City Commission meeting on July 15, 2008 and saw in the minutes that the mayor announced that the police would not be getting any raises for the upcoming year followed by a "significant" raise and a two percent raise that could be renegotiated, so no guarantee on either of those. And the minutes quote:

"Officer Vince Champion, 35 Nightingale Lane, president of the Police Benevolent Association, expressed appreciation to all of those who were involved in the negotiations."

What a punk! He doesntget a raise for his own unit in a contract that he negotiated and actually does thank the city. Vince has been president for over ten years now and the PBA is on the decline rather than going stronger. Do us all a favor Vince, leave the presidency and take Pikus with you so maybe we can get an executive board that will actually do something for us!

[goldstar]

I went and looked up the minutes for the Ormond Beach City Commission meeting on July 15, 2008 and saw in the minutes that the mayor announced that the police would not be getting any raises for the upcoming year followed by a "significant" raise and a two percent raise that could be renegotiated, so no guarantee on either of those. And the minutes quote:

"Officer Vince Champion, 35 Nightingale Lane, president of the Police Benevolent Association, expressed appreciation to all of those who were involved in the negotiations."

What a punk! He doesntget a raise for his own unit in a contract that he negotiated and actually does thank the city. Vince has been president for over ten years now and the PBA is on the decline rather than going stronger. Do us all a favor Vince, leave the presidency and take Pikus with you so maybe we can get an executive board that will actually do something for us!
Vince & Scott are elected to their positions. If you want to get rid of them, tell your reps to vote against them. Better yet, if you think you can do better, run for the position yourself.

Tell your reps to vote against them or run yourself. you got to be kidding. Everyone of those reps are just King Vince's little puppets. I take it, you never went to the Board of Directors meetings ?? If you did, then next time open your eyes to see what is really going on.

This is why we will be leaving CFPBA in the very near future.

Congratulations to Rich Clements for winning his case with the State against Coastal Florida PBA. CFPBA has to now pay Rich since Vince and Scotty were caught in lies with their pants down. When will they learn. I guess never.



[quote="Silent Nate":1jllu3rg][quote="Get Lost Jimmy":1jllu3rg]Get lost Jimmy and stop posting on our board. I have been a PBA member for several years so I'm somewhat familiar with the reasons you got kicked out of the PBA. Also, I haven't ever heard of anyone else that's a PBA member around here complaining about any of the attorneys or the PBA service. In fact, I was glad to see Marlon Buggs become a VP because he has always been a great rep who's dedicated to his job as a deputy and as a union rep. Sorry you're unhappy about not being PBA anymore, but take your fight with Nate, Vince and Scott somewhere else.


Nice guess, but I'm not Jim Weinert. I don't even know the guy, but I've heard that he was smart enough to get his unit away from the PBA. I'm just wondering why sheep like you are so blindly willing to follow Nate Ingram and Vince Champion to the slaughter. As you'll note, Nate Ingram hasn't responded defending his wonderful "legal" team and all 700 of the former PBA attorneys who either quit or were fired over the past 8 years. I know Nate likes to claim that he's "out there in the field" meeting up with the membership, when in reality all he does is go on three hour lunches and spend the afternoons at the daytona track with that fat chick's husband. Come on Nate, you've got the time, let's hear your defense of the indefensible and your explanation as to why you and Vince Champion continue the PBA tradition of hiring yet another inexperienced lawyer![/quote:1jllu3rg]

Whatever Rich! Sorry you are so angry. I am sorry you have to pay the state back so much because you tried to get money that you didn't deserve! I am sorry that all you "MISFITS" have to stick together. The PBA was wrong to hire you anyway. Why did you leave your last job before the PBA? Wonder if you can tell the truth about that one!!!! Pretty soon you won't have anywhere to work because you will have burnt all your bridges......keep it up troll![/quote:1jllu3rg]

Wow, what a surprise that the PBA loses AGAIN and has to pay money AGAIN. I guess that personal injury attorney Shealey really did a bang-up job for the PBA in Clement's unemployment hearing. Once again, Vince Champion using the wrong tool for the wrong job and not hiring a competent, experienced labor lawyer and again it costs the PBA money, just like it did when that attorney Jordan filed the ULP against Melbourne PD. Not only did the PBA get tossed, but the PBA got hit with having to pay the attorneys fees of $23,000 after they didn't drop the ULP when they should have known it was b.s. Check out the PERC website for this case:

AF06002 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 05/17/06
Date Final Order Issued - 07/12/06

CA05079 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Assoociation, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 12/05/05
Date Final Order Issued - 04/19/06

So once again Vince Champion and Scott Pikus are wasting your dues money just like they've done before. And as people and units drop the PBA, that leaves the few of you who are still foolish enough to belong to this pathetic excuse for a union having to pay a larger and larger share of settlements to attorneys, former employees (how much did Nate Ingram get in his severance package after he was fired....six months salary, almost $30,000, from what I have heard). Forget about your back, is your WALLET starting to ache from carrying this "union" yet?

If so, the answer is right here, join the Fraternal Order of Police and experience what a real, professionally run union can do for you and the difference we can make in your life and your career.

Wow, what a surprise that the PBA loses AGAIN and has to pay money AGAIN. I guess that personal injury attorney Shealey really did a bang-up job for the PBA in Clement's unemployment hearing. Once again, Vince Champion using the wrong tool for the wrong job and not hiring a competent, experienced labor lawyer and again it costs the PBA money, just like it did when that attorney Jordan filed the ULP against Melbourne PD. Not only did the PBA get tossed, but the PBA got hit with having to pay the attorneys fees of $23,000 after they didn't drop the ULP when they should have known it was b.s. Check out the PERC website for this case:

AF06002 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 05/17/06
Date Final Order Issued - 07/12/06

CA05079 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Assoociation, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 12/05/05
Date Final Order Issued - 04/19/06

So once again Vince Champion and Scott Pikus are wasting your dues money just like they've done before. And as people and units drop the PBA, that leaves the few of you who are still foolish enough to belong to this pathetic excuse for a union having to pay a larger and larger share of settlements to attorneys, former employees (how much did Nate Ingram get in his severance package after he was fired....six months salary, almost $30,000, from what I have heard). Forget about your back, is your WALLET starting to ache from carrying this "union" yet?

If so, the answer is right here, join the Fraternal Order of Police and experience what a real, professionally run union can do for you and the difference we can make in your life and your career.

LMAO. Join FOP? Why for the lodge priviledges? I can join the Moose Lodge for less money and get better benefits. Please....FOP is a joke. And "PBA Propaganda" knows it. They have about as much weight in Tallahassee as the spotted-owl society.

And from what I heard, what Nate got was a couple of boxes to pack his shit and nothing more. Not sure where PBA propoganda gets his information.

Wow, what a surprise that the PBA loses AGAIN and has to pay money AGAIN. I guess that personal injury attorney Shealey really did a bang-up job for the PBA in Clement's unemployment hearing. Once again, Vince Champion using the wrong tool for the wrong job and not hiring a competent, experienced labor lawyer and again it costs the PBA money, just like it did when that attorney Jordan filed the ULP against Melbourne PD. Not only did the PBA get tossed, but the PBA got hit with having to pay the attorneys fees of $23,000 after they didn't drop the ULP when they should have known it was b.s. Check out the PERC website for this case:

AF06002 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 05/17/06
Date Final Order Issued - 07/12/06

CA05079 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Assoociation, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 12/05/05
Date Final Order Issued - 04/19/06

So once again Vince Champion and Scott Pikus are wasting your dues money just like they've done before. And as people and units drop the PBA, that leaves the few of you who are still foolish enough to belong to this pathetic excuse for a union having to pay a larger and larger share of settlements to attorneys, former employees (how much did Nate Ingram get in his severance package after he was fired....six months salary, almost $30,000, from what I have heard). Forget about your back, is your WALLET starting to ache from carrying this "union" yet?

If so, the answer is right here, join the Fraternal Order of Police and experience what a real, professionally run union can do for you and the difference we can make in your life and your career.

LMAO. Join FOP? Why for the lodge priviledges? I can join the Moose Lodge for less money and get better benefits. Please....FOP is a joke. And "PBA Propaganda" knows it. They have about as much weight in Tallahassee as the spotted-owl society.

And from what I heard, what Nate got was a couple of boxes to pack his shizzat and nothing more. Not sure where PBA propoganda gets his information.


Seems to me that even lodge priviledges would be a welcome benefit considering we aren't getting anything from the PBA except visionless "leadership" and a bunch of guys who seem to be adept at wasting our dues money on cases they can't win. I wonder how much their defense of Al Rainey is costing us and how much it will ultimately cost us. PBA doesn't ever win at arbitrations, they're a joke, and they wind up having to pay for the arbitrator and the city or county attorney's fees as well. The PBA is a joke and we really need to explore what FOP and or IUPA can do. I've heard good things about both, and experienced NOTHING from the PBA. It's time for a change everyone.

Hooray to Rich Clements and his big win over Coastal Florida PBA. You were the only one with intregrity in the Daytona Office. I guess it showed during your hearing with the State of Florida against Coastal Florida PBA. I would like to been a fly on the wall to hear all the lies from Champion and Pikus. When will the rest of the board wake up and see they are being used by these two.

Make sure you see us in May 2009 to have us sign the cards to bring IUPA in as our bargaining unit. Many of our deputies just read the Port St Lucie Officers contract and couldn't believe it. OUTSTANDING.

We are ready to come your way especially with honest men like Rich Clements at your side.

Hooray to Rich Clements and his big win over Coastal Florida PBA. You were the only one with intregrity in the Daytona Office. I guess it showed during your hearing with the State of Florida against Coastal Florida PBA. I would like to been a fly on the wall to hear all the lies from Champion and Pikus. When will the rest of the board wake up and see they are being used by these two.

Make sure you see us in May 2009 to have us sign the cards to bring IUPA in as our bargaining unit. Many of our deputies just read the Port St Lucie Officers contract and couldn't believe it. OUTSTANDING.

We are ready to come your way especially with honest men like Rich Clements at your side.


Good for Rich and I agree with everything you said. Let's sign some cards and get the PBA outta here!

[dan1065cf]

good grief....14 pages on this nonsense and it STILL goes on..

good grief....14 pages on this nonsense and it STILL goes on..

And thanks to your post it will soon be 15. I love people who complain about the length of a blog string by posting to that very same string. Moron.

[goldstar]

Tell your reps to vote against them or run yourself. you got to be kidding. Everyone of those reps are just King Vince's little puppets. I take it, you never went to the Board of Directors meetings ?? If you did, then next time open your eyes to see what is really going on.

This is why we will be leaving CFPBA in the very near future.

If everyone of those reps are Vince's puppets, become a rep yourself and initiate the changes you want.

[goldstar]

Wow, what a surprise that the PBA loses AGAIN and has to pay money AGAIN. I guess that personal injury attorney Shealey really did a bang-up job for the PBA in Clement's unemployment hearing. Once again, Vince Champion using the wrong tool for the wrong job and not hiring a competent, experienced labor lawyer and again it costs the PBA money, just like it did when that attorney Jordan filed the ULP against Melbourne PD. Not only did the PBA get tossed, but the PBA got hit with having to pay the attorneys fees of $23,000 after they didn't drop the ULP when they should have known it was b.s. Check out the PERC website for this case:

AF06002 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 05/17/06
Date Final Order Issued - 07/12/06

CA05079 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Assoociation, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 12/05/05
Date Final Order Issued - 04/19/06

So once again Vince Champion and Scott Pikus are wasting your dues money just like they've done before. And as people and units drop the PBA, that leaves the few of you who are still foolish enough to belong to this pathetic excuse for a union having to pay a larger and larger share of settlements to attorneys, former employees (how much did Nate Ingram get in his severance package after he was fired....six months salary, almost $30,000, from what I have heard). Forget about your back, is your WALLET starting to ache from carrying this "union" yet?

If so, the answer is right here, join the Fraternal Order of Police and experience what a real, professionally run union can do for you and the difference we can make in your life and your career.

Again and again, the FOP rep claims he can make a difference in our lives and our career - but with no specifics. How can you make our lives and careers better? What agencies do you represent in Brevard County and what have you done for them that other unions couldn't do? Why won't you give us specific facts? Are you afraid that we will see right through all of your empty promises?

Wow, what a surprise that the PBA loses AGAIN and has to pay money AGAIN. I guess that personal injury attorney Shealey really did a bang-up job for the PBA in Clement's unemployment hearing. Once again, Vince Champion using the wrong tool for the wrong job and not hiring a competent, experienced labor lawyer and again it costs the PBA money, just like it did when that attorney Jordan filed the ULP against Melbourne PD. Not only did the PBA get tossed, but the PBA got hit with having to pay the attorneys fees of $23,000 after they didn't drop the ULP when they should have known it was b.s. Check out the PERC website for this case:

AF06002 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 05/17/06
Date Final Order Issued - 07/12/06

CA05079 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Assoociation, Inc. vs. City of Melbourne
Date Opened - 12/05/05
Date Final Order Issued - 04/19/06

So once again Vince Champion and Scott Pikus are wasting your dues money just like they've done before. And as people and units drop the PBA, that leaves the few of you who are still foolish enough to belong to this pathetic excuse for a union having to pay a larger and larger share of settlements to attorneys, former employees (how much did Nate Ingram get in his severance package after he was fired....six months salary, almost $30,000, from what I have heard). Forget about your back, is your WALLET starting to ache from carrying this "union" yet?

If so, the answer is right here, join the Fraternal Order of Police and experience what a real, professionally run union can do for you and the difference we can make in your life and your career.

Again and again, the FOP rep claims he can make a difference in our lives and our career - but with no specifics. How can you make our lives and careers better? What agencies do you represent in Brevard County and what have you done for them that other unions couldn't do? Why won't you give us specific facts? Are you afraid that we will see right through all of your empty promises?

I don't know that FOP can get us anything better than what the PBA has, but it seems to me that the jist of PBA Propaganda's posts has been that the PBA is being run by people who don't know what they're doing. That certainly was the case with Nate Ingram. Just talking to him and seeing his eyes glaze over after you ask him a few simple questions made that very clear and I know Johnny Bingham's not much better. I agree with PBA Propaganda that the problem is Vince Champion and his apparent inability to hire good people with the experience to do their jobs. I haven't dealt with any of the attorneys they've hired over the years but certainly know people who have and those folks say for the most part they don't know what they're doing and this new guy certainly seems to fit that mold. So it looks like we have another inexperienced executive director in Bingham and another inexperienced lawyer in Shealey, what's it going to take to break this pattern?

Maybe FOP actually hires experienced people who know their jobs and can actually assist us in times of trouble. I don't know, that's up to PBA Propaganda to provide the details on but I can't say that I like what I've seen from the PBA over the past several years. Maybe I'll call Rich Clements and hear about IUPA and what they can offer. It seems like the Port St. Lucie PD is very happy with their new contract and I don't know how many of you deputies are really that happy with ours.

Tell your reps to vote against them or run yourself. you got to be kidding. Everyone of those reps are just King Vince's little puppets. I take it, you never went to the Board of Directors meetings ?? If you did, then next time open your eyes to see what is really going on.

This is why we will be leaving CFPBA in the very near future.

If everyone of those reps are Vince's puppets, become a rep yourself and initiate the changes you want.


Like Frank Carter, Jamie Rocque and Jim Weinert were able to? It seems like the PBA is Vince Champion's own private little kingdom and like any good despot he'll do whatever it takes to hold onto power, including trying to kick out people who question him and the way he runs the union like Carter, Rocque and Weinert did.

good grief....14 pages on this nonsense and it STILL goes on..


Then go read another blog and quit posting on this one.

PBA is pathetic. Check out the message boards for other agencies and you can't find anyone with a good word to say about the PBA. I dropped Coastal a long time ago after one of their attorneys screwed up the will they were preparing for me and I complained to Pat McGuire but he didn't do anything, not even have them draft me a new will. Although I can't say I'd want one after that attorney Adam screwed up my first one. Lousy representation, no customer service, no way I'd ever be a PBA member again.

Sit down everyone and prepare yourselves for the shock of a lifetime...the Coastal Florida PBA has screwed up the organization of two new bargaining units...AGAIN. And the best part of this is is that they were seeking an acknowledgement of the two bargaining units at an agency that they already "represent"!

Check out the following cases on the PERC website:

RA08009 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. Sheriff of Flagler County
Date Opened - 11/18/08
Date Final Order Issued - 01/06/09
Decision -
Recommended Order Final Order


RA08008 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. Sheriff of Flagler County
Date Opened - 11/18/08
Date Final Order Issued - 01/06/09
Decision -
Recommended Order Final Order

In a nutshell what happened is that Nate Ingram, before he got booted out the door, filed a couple of representation/acknowledgement petitions with PERC in which he certified that the Flagler County Sheriff Don Fleming (another sheriff the PBA is in bed with) agreed that the units being proposed were appropriate for collective bargainging purposes. The two units being proposed were a group of corrections LT's and law enforcement LT's. Two separate cases, with two separate hearing officers and both hearing officers issued orders to Coastal Florida PBA directing them to provide more information as to why these bargaining units were appropriate and each one gave the PBA 14 days to get that done. And the PBA NEVER FILED ANYTHING to support their organization of these units and BOTH CASES WERE DISMISSED BY PERC!!!

How about the professionalism of the Coastal Florida PBA? They CAN'T EVEN ORGANIZE A UNIT WHEN THEY HAVE THE CONSENT OF THE EMPLOYER! How much longer are you going to stick with such an inept and incompetent union? Seems like Brevard County S.O. is rapidly becoming the last of the mohicans as the St.Lucie County S.O. is looking to leave, along with the Port St. Lucie civilian workers and with such amazing ineptitude it's not a surprise why.

Where was the ultra-experienced Val Shealey in this? Why did Nate and why does Johnny Bingham insist on filing these cases with PERC that ultimately get dismissed? Oh, because despite the fact that the amount of labor law that Nate and Johnny know could only fill the cup on a flea's jockstrap, it's still more knowledge than Shealey has. I'll keep posting these examples of the Coastal Florida PBA's incompetence as they occur and until you folks wise up and come join a truly professional union that can get things done, the Fraternal Order of Police.

[goldstar]

Sit down everyone and prepare yourselves for the shock of a lifetime...the Coastal Florida PBA has screwed up the organization of two new bargaining units...AGAIN. And the best part of this is is that they were seeking an acknowledgement of the two bargaining units at an agency that they already "represent"!

Check out the following cases on the PERC website:

RA08009 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. Sheriff of Flagler County
Date Opened - 11/18/08
Date Final Order Issued - 01/06/09
Decision -
Recommended Order Final Order


RA08008 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. Sheriff of Flagler County
Date Opened - 11/18/08
Date Final Order Issued - 01/06/09
Decision -
Recommended Order Final Order

In a nutshell what happened is that Nate Ingram, before he got booted out the door, filed a couple of representation/acknowledgement petitions with PERC in which he certified that the Flagler County Sheriff Don Fleming (another sheriff the PBA is in bed with) agreed that the units being proposed were appropriate for collective bargainging purposes. The two units being proposed were a group of corrections LT's and law enforcement LT's. Two separate cases, with two separate hearing officers and both hearing officers issued orders to Coastal Florida PBA directing them to provide more information as to why these bargaining units were appropriate and each one gave the PBA 14 days to get that done. And the PBA NEVER FILED ANYTHING to support their organization of these units and BOTH CASES WERE DISMISSED BY PERC!!!

How about the professionalism of the Coastal Florida PBA? They CAN'T EVEN ORGANIZE A UNIT WHEN THEY HAVE THE CONSENT OF THE EMPLOYER! How much longer are you going to stick with such an inept and incompetent union? Seems like Brevard County S.O. is rapidly becoming the last of the mohicans as the St.Lucie County S.O. is looking to leave, along with the Port St. Lucie civilian workers and with such amazing ineptitude it's not a surprise why.

Where was the ultra-experienced Val Shealey in this? Why did Nate and why does Johnny Bingham insist on filing these cases with PERC that ultimately get dismissed? Oh, because despite the fact that the amount of labor law that Nate and Johnny know could only fill the cup on a flea's jockstrap, it's still more knowledge than Shealey has. I'll keep posting these examples of the Coastal Florida PBA's incompetence as they occur and until you folks wise up and come join a truly professional union that can get things done, the Fraternal Order of Police.

Yep, Nate was an idiot. That's why he was fired. We already know that. So what can FOP do for us? Still no specifics. Is it because you're no better than PBA or IUPA? Is it because Bert and the gang are just as inept as Nate? Simply bashing PBA isn't enough. You need to be specific about how FOP can "get things done". Show us what makes FOP a "truly professional union". Show us the facts. What agencies do you represent? What have you done for them that another union couldn't do? Why won't you answer these simple questions?

Goldstar,

The facts are that the Fraternal Order of Police is a professionally run organization with a long history of competent leadership and representation of police officers all over the country. The facts on the FOP are out there for anyone to see, what I'm doing on this board is bringing to light the shortcomings of the Coastal Florida PBA that my fellow members of the BCSO may not be aware of. The PBA loves to put out it's propaganda machine and talk about all the great attorneys they hire and the experienced employees they have and all their big plans to organize big bargaining units to gain leverage and power, but the fact is they aren't even organized enough to run their propaganda machine, that BOLO "newsletter", and get it cranked out on a regular basis. The PBA hasn't organized a unit of substance in years, the ones they currently "represent" are all talking about leaving, I just don't want my fellow deputies to pay the price when we're the last ones standing and holding this pathetic excuse for a "union" up.

Frankly, I don't care if we go an join IUPA, it's not FOP, but anything is better than the Coastal Florida PBA!

I don't think FOP is the answer as I know a couple of people in Melbourne who ain't to happy with them but I agree that the PBA is useless.

I don't think FOP is the answer as I know a couple of people in Melbourne who ain't to happy with them but I agree that the PBA is useless.

Go IUPA! Port Saint Lucie just recieved 9%, 9%, 9% on their contract. Pay me now!

Personally I think the problem is not with the PBA, but with Vince Champion. If we can get rid of Vince and get someone in the presidency who knows what he's doing and can appoint and hire decent people who know their jobs and then keep them around the PBA can return to what it once was. The fact that Vince has hired his buddy Johnny Bingham to be the new executive director is sickening. Johnny Bingham doesn't know a single thing about running a union, just like Nate didn't know anything about running a union.

A few years ago the PBA was strong and was growing. Pat McGuire, for all his other faults, knew what he was doing and hired good people. For all the complaints from PBA Propaganda, I used the services of several of the PBA attorneys and found them to be competent for the most part in answering my legal questions. I think the reason the PBA ran through so many of them is that PBA didn't want to pay them what they're worth and they probably didn't want to put up with Pat anymore.

The fact is that Vince's time has passed and he needs to realize this and leave. If he won't leave on his own, someone needs to run against him and we need to force him out. He's turned the PBA into a joke and I remember when the PBA was so much more. Please Vince, give it up and go away!

Personally I think the problem is not with the PBA, but with Vince Champion. If we can get rid of Vince and get someone in the presidency who knows what he's doing and can appoint and hire decent people who know their jobs and then keep them around the PBA can return to what it once was. The fact that Vince has hired his buddy Johnny Bingham to be the new executive director is sickening. Johnny Bingham doesn't know a single thing about running a union, just like Nate didn't know anything about running a union.

A few years ago the PBA was strong and was growing. Pat McGuire, for all his other faults, knew what he was doing and hired good people. For all the complaints from PBA Propaganda, I used the services of several of the PBA attorneys and found them to be competent for the most part in answering my legal questions. I think the reason the PBA ran through so many of them is that PBA didn't want to pay them what they're worth and they probably didn't want to put up with Pat anymore.

The fact is that Vince's time has passed and he needs to realize this and leave. If he won't leave on his own, someone needs to run against him and we need to force him out. He's turned the PBA into a joke and I remember when the PBA was so much more. Please Vince, give it up and go away!


You've got to be kidding. Vince Champion will never walk away from the cash cow that is the Coastal Florida PBA. He's getting paid a $25K salary for doing bascially nothing except hiring incompetent cronies to run the PBA office and incompetent attorneys to screw you over at the arbitration table. He's getting a free car, a free PBA credit card to use for "union expenses" (like lunch with Johnny Bingham), paid trips and expenses to various "conventions" he attends (like the one in Vegas every year). Not to mention the 15-20K per year he brings down from his association with NAGE. Vince will have to either be arrested or die to get him out of that office as the PBA membership is apparently not smart enough to keep from voting him in as president every few years.

[mikescud]

It sure would be nice if people checked their facts before posting things that are far from true on this board.

"as the PBA membership is apparently not smart enough to keep from voting him in as president every few years"

Now ... why would we want to join FOP when their spokesman talks about us like this? Go screw yourself propaganda!!

Ladies and Gentlemen,
If you think Nate Ingram is gone, THINK AGAIN. He moved to the office next door and is still working behind the scenes at Coastal Florida PBA. They have us bamboozled all of us. When do the lies stop from Coastal Florida PBA.

http://www.nage.org/regional_offices.shtml
http://cfpba.us/general/contact.asp


Use the above links and you will find out that Coastal Florida PBA and SEIU/NAGE are using the same phone/fax numbers and their offices are next door to each other in Daytona Beach, FL. I bet they even have connecting doors. This answers why Vince Champion is drawing another hefty salary from NAGE/SEIU that the members don't know about. If the offices, staff and phones are shared, WHY AREN'T OUR DUES GOING DOWN IN THESE HARD ECONOMIC TIMES. WHY JUST RECEIVED A NOTICE THAT THE DUES ARE INCREASING. Vince, what is going on here. What salary are you really getting from NAGE/SEIU ?? We know it's over $20,000, and this isn't even counting what he is getting from Coastal PBA !! Why is Nate Ingram still involved behind the scenes, especially since we lost a huge amount of members and income??? WHY VINCE, we need an answer????

Ladies and Gentlemen,
If you think Nate Ingram is gone, THINK AGAIN. He moved to the office next door and is still working behind the scenes at Coastal Florida PBA. They have us bamboozled all of us. When do the lies stop from Coastal Florida PBA.

http://www.nage.org/regional_offices.shtml
http://cfpba.us/general/contact.asp


Use the above links and you will find out that Coastal Florida PBA and SEIU/NAGE are using the same phone/fax numbers and their offices are next door to each other in Daytona Beach, FL. I bet they even have connecting doors. This answers why Vince Champion is drawing another hefty salary from NAGE/SEIU that the members don't know about. If the offices, staff and phones are shared, WHY AREN'T OUR DUES GOING DOWN IN THESE HARD ECONOMIC TIMES. WHY JUST RECEIVED A NOTICE THAT THE DUES ARE INCREASING. Vince, what is going on here. What salary are you really getting from NAGE/SEIU ?? We know it's over $20,000, and this isn't even counting what he is getting from Coastal PBA !! Why is Nate Ingram still involved behind the scenes, especially since we lost a huge amount of members and income??? WHY VINCE, we need an answer????

If you're really a rep and you have a question for Vince, go to a meeting and ask him personally. Of course, if you were really a rep, you would already know that. hmmm .....

I know that, unfortunately, our members do not !!! Why is that ???


[quote="concerned cfpba rep":16m8s3yo]Ladies and Gentlemen,
If you think Nate Ingram is gone, THINK AGAIN. He moved to the office next door and is still working behind the scenes at Coastal Florida PBA. They have us bamboozled all of us. When do the lies stop from Coastal Florida PBA.

http://www.nage.org/regional_offices.shtml
http://cfpba.us/general/contact.asp


Use the above links and you will find out that Coastal Florida PBA and SEIU/NAGE are using the same phone/fax numbers and their offices are next door to each other in Daytona Beach, FL. I bet they even have connecting doors. This answers why Vince Champion is drawing another hefty salary from NAGE/SEIU that the members don't know about. If the offices, staff and phones are shared, WHY AREN'T OUR DUES GOING DOWN IN THESE HARD ECONOMIC TIMES. WHY JUST RECEIVED A NOTICE THAT THE DUES ARE INCREASING. Vince, what is going on here. What salary are you really getting from NAGE/SEIU ?? We know it's over $20,000, and this isn't even counting what he is getting from Coastal PBA !! Why is Nate Ingram still involved behind the scenes, especially since we lost a huge amount of members and income??? WHY VINCE, we need an answer????

If you're really a rep and you have a question for Vince, go to a meeting and ask him personally. Of course, if you were really a rep, you would already know that. hmmm .....[/quote:16m8s3yo]

It sure would be nice if people checked their facts before posting things that are far from true on this board.


Okay buddy, what are the facts then? I see you're Vince's new communications director so set us straight about which of the facts regarding Vince are untrue? It's certainly not the 25K salary he pulls down for being president of CFPBA. It's certainly not the extra money he gets from NAGE/SEIU, as that's public record through a search with the United States Department of Labor. I've seen the documents that NAGE files with the DOL showing Vince Champion's 10K salary from them. And you're saying that Vince doesn't have a PBA credit card? I've seen him use it! You're saying he doesn't attend conventions in Las Vegas and other places? I've talked with reps who've been at board meetings where the executive board voted to spend the money to send themselve on these trips. So which facts aren't true Mr. Scudiero? And how much is Vince paying you to be his new mouth piece? Why can't he speak for himself on this board? Why won't he take phone calls or respond to e-mails that seek to question his handling of the CFPBA? What is he afraid of?

Concerned CFPBA Rep,

The average member can't get an answer from Vince Champion. He won't take phone calls and he won't respond to e-mails and good luck trying to find him at the Daytona office. I'm not surprised Nate Ingram really didn't go anywhere other than next door and maybe this revelation is what it will finally take for the other BCSO deputies to start asking questions about what's really going on at the CFPBA and what our dues money is really being spent on.

It sure would be nice if people checked their facts before posting things that are far from true on this board.


Okay buddy, what are the facts then? I see you're Vince's new communications director so set us straight about which of the facts regarding Vince are untrue? It's certainly not the 25K salary he pulls down for being president of CFPBA. It's certainly not the extra money he gets from NAGE/SEIU, as that's public record through a search with the United States Department of Labor. I've seen the documents that NAGE files with the DOL showing Vince Champion's 10K salary from them. And you're saying that Vince doesn't have a PBA credit card? I've seen him use it! You're saying he doesn't attend conventions in Las Vegas and other places? I've talked with reps who've been at board meetings where the executive board voted to spend the money to send themselve on these trips. So which facts aren't true Mr. Scudiero? And how much is Vince paying you to be his new mouth piece? Why can't he speak for himself on this board? Why won't he take phone calls or respond to e-mails that seek to question his handling of the CFPBA? What is he afraid of?


Sure is interesting how nobody from the PBA ever has an answer for anything when they're called out. What about it PBA? Which of those statements about Vince Champion are untrue?

It sure would be nice if people checked their facts before posting things that are far from true on this board.


What about Scudiero, you ever gonna respond? You're the communications director at the PBA so certainly you must know how to use a keyboard and type out a response. I suppose it's because you know that everything that's been said about Vince Champion has been true and that it's all completely verifiable. Another waste of our dues money. Thanks buddy.

I guess the PBA must be too busy losing ULPs and "negotiating" crappy contracts in order to be bothered responding. Pretty pathetic Vince.

I guess the PBA must be too busy losing ULPs and "negotiating" crappy contracts in order to be bothered responding. Pretty pathetic Vince.

I say we get Rid of the PBA and our problems will be solved! Fort Peirce PD is leaving PBA and going with IUPA. I feel like I'm on a sinking ship! :shock:

Just for the record...the FOP sucks at the agency I work at. We have 750 cops and I think 748 want the FOP gone..good luck and if you guys pick the FOP I hope you have better luck than we do!

Just for the record...the FOP sucks at the agency I work at. We have 750 cops and I think 748 want the FOP gone..good luck and if you guys pick the FOP I hope you have better luck than we do!

What Department? FT Lauderdal?

Surprise, surprise, surprise...or maybe not. Yes, the PBA has LOST ANOTHER UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.

Check out PERC Case No. CA-2009-027, Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of St. Lucie County, filed on March 27, 2009, PERC's general counsel dismissed the ULP on April 6, 2009. Yes, the latest PBA attorney Val Shealey, with all his vast labor law experience as touted by Vince Champion, lost a ULP for among other reasons by failing to include copies of the grievances or a statement of the facts of the ULP the PBA failed to prove a prima facie violation of Florida law. The second reason they lost is because they alleged the sheriff failed to give the deputies a step increase as required in the contract. What they overlooked is that they didn't bargain a built-in step increase for the fiscal year they were complaining about.

What a bunch of morons! Seems like Val Shealey is yet another in the long line of PBA attorneys that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to labor law. So how about it guys....how's the job ol' Val's been doing for you when you're facing down the staff services office on some b.s. IA?

How about explaining this one Vince? How about explaining how you keep hiring incompetent people at the PBA and yet you manage to keep holding on to your job? Where does the buck stop Vince? Obviously not with you, rather with the incompetents you hire!

Surprise, surprise, surprise...or maybe not. Yes, the PBA has LOST ANOTHER UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.

Check out PERC Case No. CA-2009-027, Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of St. Lucie County, filed on March 27, 2009, PERC's general counsel dismissed the ULP on April 6, 2009. Yes, the latest PBA attorney Val Shealey, with all his vast labor law experience as touted by Vince Champion, lost a ULP for among other reasons by failing to include copies of the grievances or a statement of the facts of the ULP the PBA failed to prove a prima facie violation of Florida law. The second reason they lost is because they alleged the sheriff failed to give the deputies a step increase as required in the contract. What they overlooked is that they didn't bargain a built-in step increase for the fiscal year they were complaining about.

What a bunch of morons! Seems like Val Shealey is yet another in the long line of PBA attorneys that doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to labor law. So how about it guys....how's the job ol' Val's been doing for you when you're facing down the staff services office on some b.s. IA?

How about explaining this one Vince? How about explaining how you keep hiring incompetent people at the PBA and yet you manage to keep holding on to your job? Where does the buck stop Vince? Obviously not with you, rather with the incompetents you hire!


Yup, some things never change. PBA sucks.

So you think the PBA sucks? Drop out! Don't pay dues if you're not happy, it's as simple as that!

So you think the PBA sucks? Drop out! Don't pay dues if you're not happy, it's as simple as that!


Don't have to worry about me. I dropped Vince, Scotty and that band of losers a long time ago and haven't regretted a day of it. I found a much better use for my money.

So are you tired of carrying the PBA along yet? If you're not by now, you will be after the Ft. Pierce PD leaves the PBA, just like Port St. Lucie PD did to join IUPA and just like the St. Lucie County S.O. is getting ready to do as well. Check out the PERC website and see that IUPA filed an R/C petition to take over Ft. Pierce PD:

RC09024 - International Union of Police Associations, AFL-CIO vs. City of Fort Pierce vs. Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc.

And yet, the lies from Vince Champion keep on coming via this latest B.S. blast on the CFPBA website. They don't have any real news to report, so Vince has to lie:

Dear Friends:

As Spring rolls forward things have never been busier at your PBA & PEA. Soon we will have exciting announcements about new units coming on board and it gives me great personal pride to inform you that we are expanding our membership each day, despite an economy that has adversely affected us all. That’s the good news.

...

Best Regards,


Vincent L. Champion, President
Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association
Coastal Florida Public Employees Association

The problem with your lies Vince is that they're all so easy to check out and pick apart. You and the PBA/PEA have not filed an R/C petition in OVER ONE YEAR:

RC08007 - Coastal Florida Police Benevolent Association, Inc. vs. City of Port Orange
Filed on 2/12/08.

So how exactly are you expanding your membership each day? Certainly not by gaining the Jacksonville city workers unit that Nate Ingram promised. Certainly not by gaining the Putnam County S.O., another Nate promise. Certainly by not having Johnny Bingham out there actually organizing units like you and your lackeys said he was so good at right Vince? I know you won't respond to this Vince, because you can't handle the truth and you don't have any way to spin this into more of your lies.

So what about it folks? Tired of carrying Vince and his pathetic excuse for a union on your back? Tired of forking over your hard earned money to pay dues to belong to a union that is shrinking smaller and smaller every day? If so, then come on over to the FOP, a large union with real political power to protect you and your job in these tight economic times.

I have just read all the posts on this site complaining about the CFPBA, and comparing it with IUPA. I also seen where one blogger posted that Nate moved nextdoor and is still secretly working for PBA under a different format. It would be soothing to see just one person on this site speak with intelligence, an intelligence expected from a police officer. Out of all the complaints aired, I have yet to see one person speak up and say.. "This is what I did for my union." or "This is what I tried to do for my union to make things better." Keep in mind, collectively...you all voted the people into office that bargain and defend your rights. They didn't walk in and sit down at the first desk and take over. How much research has any one person really done to learn about the union you are attempting to leave, or learn about the union you are attempting to join? Do you really believe that the grass is greener on the other side? Right now you are PBA, and you know the problems that you think exist. When you move into IUPA, you are brand spanking new again, and may only find the problems are even more serious than what you left. Be honest with yourself, you really don't know. You haven't really taken the time to find out. Most of you sit at your computer in a chat room and take what you hear in it, and run with it. How many documents have you really gone over to learn? Does losing one case make a president a loser? Isn't it funny how every single employee that screws up and files a grievance thinks that his/hers case alone is the most important? Lets look at the Monkee E-mail case. A handful of police officers, with nothing on their plates but spare time, detectives, no less, engaging in the art of slamming minorities, not thinking they would be caught. Has anyone thought about the hourly rates of pay these skilled officers receive for their daily accomplishments this day? Collectively, they cost PSL Citizens thousands of dollars...for nothing. Think about this. A McDonalds hamburger tosser actually worked harder that day than did a crew of supposedly intelligent detectives. Now, being a good union man that pays his dues promptly each month, would you really appreciate the union spending your hard earned money defending a group of overpaid clowns at the office, that you know played on their computers during the course of their day and cost the city thousands? If the hamburger flipper at McDonalds stole a few dollars from the cash register where he works, and you were called in, would you charge him with robbery? How much time and money would you care to invest? Your union should have bigger fish to catch, rather than support a bunch of overpaid, wannabees. Clean up your backyards, new homes are being built and they are getting a view of how you live.

I don't think anyone with half a brain in defending those Monkee Mail dopes who got exactly what they deserved. The larger point is what is the PBA doing for us? I'm doing my part by paying my dues every month and I expect for that to receive competent service from competent workers whose salary I'm paying, and that includes Vince Champion. Rather than getting that, it's evident that the PBA keeps hiring people who have no idea what they're doing and how to do their jobs. The long list of failed unfair labor practices they file, the fact that they haven't organized a new bargaining unit in over a year, and when they did organize a unit and filed a recognition/acknowledgement petition with PERC they screwed that up just goes to show that the people that work for the PBA are a bunch of incompetents. And whose responsibilty is it? It's Vince Champion's responsibility as the buck stops at his desk. He's been president of this union for over a decade and all he's done is hire child molesters like Pat McGuire and incompetent idiots like 99% of the attorneys that have worked for the PBA, including the present guy Shealey.

I'm doing my part, I'm paying my dues. Vince, you need to do your part by resigning as it's rather obvious you have no idea what the hell you're doing.

I'm doing my part, I'm paying my dues. Vince, you need to do your part by resigning as it's rather obvious you have no idea what the hell you're doing.


Geez, say a mircle happens and Vince resigns, or gets hit by bus crossing the street. The new prez would then be Little Scotty wouldn't it? Talk about going from bad to worse!

Hello folks,

Yes, I know it's getting to be pretty much a broken record here, but the Coastal Florida PBA/PEA and their wonderful labor attorney Val Shealey, the guy Vince Champion claims has so much experience in labor law, LOST ANOTHER ULP.

You know something, worse than even losing a ULP at a hearing, the PBA/PEA and their lousy, inexperienced attorney can't even get past the PERC General Counsel. See PERC case number CA-2009-043, David Pierre-Louis v. City of Port St. Lucie, where Shealey filed a ULP on May 20, 2009 alleging that the city wouldn't process his grievance after he was fired. SHEALEY DIDN'T FILE A COPY OF THE GRIEVANCE WITH THE ULP. Not only that, but he didn't provide the date the city allegedly denied the grievance or the name of the person who denied the grievance. And to quote the PERC General Counsel "the charge is also deficient because the supporting documents [that Shealey did file] do not support an allegation in the charge." So Shealey DOESN'T file the documents he needs to, and instead files documents that are of no use whatsoever! PERC General Counsel files his summary dismissal on May 27, 2009. This is the PBA's great labor attorney folks!!

Oh, and the great Val Shealey also screwed up a representation/certification petition for the PBA/PEA. Check out PERC case number RC-2009-028, Coastal Florida PEA v. City of Sebastian v. Communications Workers of America, AFL-CIO in which the PBA/PEA tries again to file a certification petition for only a certain segment of a specifically defined bargaining unit that is already represented by another union. Just as they tried to file an R/C petition and get the Melbourne PD detectives from the Melbourne PD officers bargaining unit that the FOP took from them, and were shot down by PERC, they get shot down by PERC again for trying to take only a certain segment of the bargaining unit represented by CWA. I guess Shealey, Champion, Pikus, Bingham and the rest of the short bus crew at the PBA/PEA are awfully slow learners. R/C petition filed on May 26, 2009, and dismissed by PERC on June 3, 2009.

So I'll ask you again folks...how long are you going to keep sticking with this group of incompetents? When you've decided you've had enough, join many of your fellow deputies and come learn about the Fraternal Order of Police. Check us out on the PERC website and you'll see we know how to take care of our members and we don't get every ULP we file on our membership dismissed and every representation petition thrown out! Come on Vince...where's the reinforcements you promised in your b.s. blast on the CFPBA website on May 1st?

You know something, worse than even losing a ULP at a hearing, the PBA/PEA and their lousy, inexperienced attorney can't even get past the PERC General Counsel. See PERC case number CA-2009-043, David Pierre-Louis v. City of Port St. Lucie, where Shealey filed a ULP on May 20, 2009 alleging that the city wouldn't process his grievance after he was fired. SHEALEY DIDN'T FILE A COPY OF THE GRIEVANCE WITH THE ULP. Not only that, but he didn't provide the date the city allegedly denied the grievance or the name of the person who denied the grievance. And to quote the PERC General Counsel "the charge is also deficient because the supporting documents [that Shealey did file] do not support an allegation in the charge." So Shealey DOESN'T file the documents he needs to, and instead files documents that are of no use whatsoever! PERC General Counsel files his summary dismissal on May 27, 2009. This is the PBA's great labor attorney folks!!


Surprise, surprise, surprise...or maybe not. Yes, the PBA has LOST ANOTHER UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.

Check out PERC Case No. CA-2009-027, Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of St. Lucie County, filed on March 27, 2009, PERC's general counsel dismissed the ULP on April 6, 2009. Yes, the latest PBA attorney Val Shealey, with all his vast labor law experience as touted by Vince Champion, lost a ULP for among other reasons by failing to include copies of the grievances or a statement of the facts of the ULP the PBA failed to prove a prima facie violation of Florida law. The second reason they lost is because they alleged the sheriff failed to give the deputies a step increase as required in the contract. What they overlooked is that they didn't bargain a built-in step increase for the fiscal year they were complaining about.


I've checked into what this guy has been saying about the PBA/PEA filing unfair labor practices and having them thrown out and it's true. And the big problem is they keep making the same mistakes over and over again as evidenced above. They file unfair labor practices over grievances, and then don't bother to ever include copies of the grievances with the ULPs. What the hell is going on? Why can't the PBA/PEA ever hire staff people who know what they're doing? Between all the lousy attorneys they've had, and inexperienced directors like Nate Ingram and Johnny Bingham that they have to send to seminars to learn how to do their jobs, when is this going to stop? I don't think it ever will as long as Vince Champion is president as he has shown that he has no talent for being able to run this union. Vince has gotta go so we can grow!!!!

[quote="PBA Propaganda":1skrxen5]You know something, worse than even losing a ULP at a hearing, the PBA/PEA and their lousy, inexperienced attorney can't even get past the PERC General Counsel. See PERC case number CA-2009-043, David Pierre-Louis v. City of Port St. Lucie, where Shealey filed a ULP on May 20, 2009 alleging that the city wouldn't process his grievance after he was fired. SHEALEY DIDN'T FILE A COPY OF THE GRIEVANCE WITH THE ULP. Not only that, but he didn't provide the date the city allegedly denied the grievance or the name of the person who denied the grievance. And to quote the PERC General Counsel "the charge is also deficient because the supporting documents [that Shealey did file] do not support an allegation in the charge." So Shealey DOESN'T file the documents he needs to, and instead files documents that are of no use whatsoever! PERC General Counsel files his summary dismissal on May 27, 2009. This is the PBA's great labor attorney folks!!


Surprise, surprise, surprise...or maybe not. Yes, the PBA has LOST ANOTHER UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.

Check out PERC Case No. CA-2009-027, Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of St. Lucie County, filed on March 27, 2009, PERC's general counsel dismissed the ULP on April 6, 2009. Yes, the latest PBA attorney Val Shealey, with all his vast labor law experience as touted by Vince Champion, lost a ULP for among other reasons by failing to include copies of the grievances or a statement of the facts of the ULP the PBA failed to prove a prima facie violation of Florida law. The second reason they lost is because they alleged the sheriff failed to give the deputies a step increase as required in the contract. What they overlooked is that they didn't bargain a built-in step increase for the fiscal year they were complaining about.


I've checked into what this guy has been saying about the PBA/PEA filing unfair labor practices and having them thrown out and it's true. And the big problem is they keep making the same mistakes over and over again as evidenced above. They file unfair labor practices over grievances, and then don't bother to ever include copies of the grievances with the ULPs. What the hell is going on? Why can't the PBA/PEA ever hire staff people who know what they're doing? Between all the lousy attorneys they've had, and inexperienced directors like Nate Ingram and Johnny Bingham that they have to send to seminars to learn how to do their jobs, when is this going to stop? I don't think it ever will as long as Vince Champion is president as he has shown that he has no talent for being able to run this union. Vince has gotta go so we can grow!!!![/quote:1skrxen5]


If you got such a big problem with Vince maybe you should man up and get in his face to voice your complaint. Then maybe you slap him in the face to make yourself feel better about your weak cowardice. You wont do it because you know Vince would stomp your crocth into dust. If Vince wasnt such a gentleman he would have already thrown a flying knee into your sternum and crushed you like a week-old grape. Be thankful Vince is a gentleman, you sissy.

[quote="Vince Must Go":1agdw49q][quote="PBA Propaganda":1agdw49q]You know something, worse than even losing a ULP at a hearing, the PBA/PEA and their lousy, inexperienced attorney can't even get past the PERC General Counsel. See PERC case number CA-2009-043, David Pierre-Louis v. City of Port St. Lucie, where Shealey filed a ULP on May 20, 2009 alleging that the city wouldn't process his grievance after he was fired. SHEALEY DIDN'T FILE A COPY OF THE GRIEVANCE WITH THE ULP. Not only that, but he didn't provide the date the city allegedly denied the grievance or the name of the person who denied the grievance. And to quote the PERC General Counsel "the charge is also deficient because the supporting documents [that Shealey did file] do not support an allegation in the charge." So Shealey DOESN'T file the documents he needs to, and instead files documents that are of no use whatsoever! PERC General Counsel files his summary dismissal on May 27, 2009. This is the PBA's great labor attorney folks!!


Surprise, surprise, surprise...or maybe not. Yes, the PBA has LOST ANOTHER UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE.

Check out PERC Case No. CA-2009-027, Coastal Florida PBA v. Sheriff of St. Lucie County, filed on March 27, 2009, PERC's general counsel dismissed the ULP on April 6, 2009. Yes, the latest PBA attorney Val Shealey, with all his vast labor law experience as touted by Vince Champion, lost a ULP for among other reasons by failing to include copies of the grievances or a statement of the facts of the ULP the PBA failed to prove a prima facie violation of Florida law. The second reason they lost is because they alleged the sheriff failed to give the deputies a step increase as required in the contract. What they overlooked is that they didn't bargain a built-in step increase for the fiscal year they were complaining about.


I've checked into what this guy has been saying about the PBA/PEA filing unfair labor practices and having them thrown out and it's true. And the big problem is they keep making the same mistakes over and over again as evidenced above. They file unfair labor practices over grievances, and then don't bother to ever include copies of the grievances with the ULPs. What the hell is going on? Why can't the PBA/PEA ever hire staff people who know what they're doing? Between all the lousy attorneys they've had, and inexperienced directors like Nate Ingram and Johnny Bingham that they have to send to seminars to learn how to do their jobs, when is this going to stop? I don't think it ever will as long as Vince Champion is president as he has shown that he has no talent for being able to run this union. Vince has gotta go so we can grow!!!![/quote:1agdw49q]


If you got such a big problem with Vince maybe you should man up and get in his face to voice your complaint. Then maybe you slap him in the face to make yourself feel better about your weak cowardice. You wont do it because you know Vince would stomp your crocth into dust. If Vince wasnt such a gentleman he would have already thrown a flying knee into your sternum and crushed you like a week-old grape. Be thankful Vince is a gentleman, you sissy.[/quote:1agdw49q]

Wow Vince, you sure are a tough guy. How about answering the tough questions though about your pathetic record as the president of the PBA and about how the only people you seem to be able to hire are child molesters and unqualified idiots? How about accounting for the tremendous drop in the PBA's membership over the past two years? How about explaining why you can't even read a written statement in your "press conference" regarding the IRCSO deputies? How about it Vince?

I'll say it again, if you don't like the PBA then drop out and don't pay your dues money anymore and go join FOP or IUPA or the Teamsters or whoever you want. Stop wasting your time whining on this board about how much the PBA sucks.

Good lord.....16 pages of this garbage and it still is strong... you people are sad

I'll say it again, if you don't like the PBA then drop out and don't pay your dues money anymore and go join FOP or IUPA or the Teamsters or whoever you want. Stop wasting your time whining on this board about how much the PBA sucks.

nah ... they'd have to get up off their ass to do that. much easier to sit in front of their 'puter and *****.

Good lord.....16 pages of this garbage and it still is strong... you people are sad

Maybe if the PBA could give us competent representation and show that they can actually do anything right we wouldn't have any cause to complain. The facts show though that the PBA is a bunch of incompetent buffoons who lose at everything they try and who can't organize any other bargaining units to help take the pressure off us here at the BCSO. We're the largest unit in this "union" and it's part of our dues money that's being wasted when the PBA spends time filing these unfair labor practices for people in Port St. Lucie that they can't even win. How much is it costing us to have this "attorney" Shealey who's just another in the long line of incompetents? How much is Johnny Bingham being paid to be executive director of a union that he can't grow and make stronger? Of course we all know Vince is getting paid in order to provide his lousy, visionless "leadership".

You guys can stick your heads in the sand and let the PBA keep sucking dues out of your paycheck every month if you want. But some of us have woken up and realize what a sham Vince and Co. are.

Good lord.....16 pages of this garbage and it still is strong... you people are sad

Maybe if the PBA could give us competent representation and show that they can actually do anything right we wouldn't have any cause to complain. The facts show though that the PBA is a bunch of incompetent buffoons who lose at everything they try and who can't organize any other bargaining units to help take the pressure off us here at the BCSO. We're the largest unit in this "union" and it's part of our dues money that's being wasted when the PBA spends time filing these unfair labor practices for people in Port St. Lucie that they can't even win. How much is it costing us to have this "attorney" Shealey who's just another in the long line of incompetents? How much is Johnny Bingham being paid to be executive director of a union that he can't grow and make stronger? Of course we all know Vince is getting paid in order to provide his lousy, visionless "leadership".

You guys can stick your heads in the sand and let the PBA keep sucking dues out of your paycheck every month if you want. But some of us have woken up and realize what a sham Vince and Co. are.

Well if its so danm bad then just quit paying your dues and go away you whiner. If you want to be a SCAB and leave the union then do it you SCAB.

Florida's a right to work state moron, there's no such thing as a "scab". You don't have to belong to a union in order to work in this state, which is a good thing for those of us who are smart enough to realize what a p.o.s. the PBA is.

I'll say it for the third time all you losers, if you don't like the PBA then DROP OUT! Vince isn't going to miss you and neither am I or any of the true PBA members who actually support one another rather than spend all our free time tearing each other down. If you guys are so bitter, go join Rich Clemens at IUPA and you can sit around in your circle there and ***** with him about how much you hate the PBA, but the rest of us ain't going nowhere!

I'll say it for the third time all you losers, if you don't like the PBA then DROP OUT! Vince isn't going to miss you and neither am I or any of the true PBA members who actually support one another rather than spend all our free time tearing each other down. If you guys are so bitter, go join Rich Clemens at IUPA and you can sit around in your circle there and ***** with him about how much you hate the PBA, but the rest of us ain't going nowhere!


I've never said I don't like the PBA, my main problem is with Vince Champion and the lousy "leadership" and "management" he's provided over the years. The facts aren't in dispute, Vince has an awful record of hiring incompetent idiots to work for the PBA and rather than continuing to grow, this union is shrinking day by day as the staff and some of the executive board members continue to alienate the membership. Vince doesn't ever seem to recognize there's a problem until it's too late and bargaining units like Port St. Lucie and Melbourne up and leave the PBA and now Ft. Pierce is getting ready to do the same. I strongly believe in unions and that we need to hang together and fight for better treatment from our employers, but the problem comes in when you've got people doing the fighting for you who don't know what they're doing. Counties and cities can afford to hire the best, most experienced labor lawyers in the state. What does Vince hire? Anything with a pulse that's willing to work for him, probably for slave wages.

Vince, you're part of the problem, not part of the solution. It's time for you to finally admit you've never learned a damn thing about running a union and ride off into the sunset. I'm sure the PBA/NAGE/IBPO have a nice, fat retirement plan for you, even though you didn't earn it with your years and years of mismanagement of the PBA. But do us ALL a favor...go away!