Open Letter to City of Miami Manager

Mr. City Manager,
It has been recently reported that you will soon be issuing disciplinary action to Police Chief John Timoney regarding his involvement in an ethically questionable Lexus incident, not least of which was his attempt to mislead the public by issuing a statement he reasonably knew to be false.
I would like to take this opportunity to express certain concerns that I hope you will take into consideration in your decision as to what manner of discipline you issue.
As Police Officers, we are held to a higher standard than the general public, we are expected to set the example for proper conduct, both, in our professional as well as personal lives. We are not only bound by Florida State Statutes that don't apply to civilians, but also endure restrictive Departmental Orders which govern our actions both on and off-duty.
Often times, some of these regulations can be intrusive on not only the officers, but our families as well. We and our families endure these policies and accept them as part of our chosen profession, or if you will, our calling.
Every officer recognizes that should he/she be caught violating these or any laws, rules or regulations, he/she faces stiffer penalties than a civilian would in a similiar circumstance.
This is not a complaint, I'm merely stating facts so that you may better understand the context of this letter.
We are held to these higher standards for very good reasons. One of those reasons being our credibility during criminal proceedings. Our testimony on the witness stand is constantly called into question by defense attorneys, seeking to create reasonable doubt by preying upon the jury members already extant suspicion of the police.
I have no doubt that very soon, defense attorneys, will be using this fiasco during their closing arguments to the juries. It would not be the first time that a scandal at the Miami Police Department would be used as fodder to create reasonable doubt.
May I remind you, that the prosecution must put forward a theory of a crime based soley upon facts and testimony entered into evidence. The defense is not burdened by this restriction, allowing them to present any theory, no matter how outlandish. All in an effort to create reasonable doubt.
Now, should the discipline you impose upon Chief Timoney be perceived as exceedingly lenient, the effect may prove extremely detrimental to this department's ability to successfully prosecute criminal cases.
It is not beyond the imagination to picture a defense attorney asking a jury how could they believe the officers testimony, when it has been proven that our leadership can openly lie and mislead the public without serious consequences. If that is the department's leadership? Then what can the public expect from the officers?
Therefore, I submit that there is a logic to holding officers to higher standards, in order to set an example to the community. Following that logic, then one must agree that the leadership should be held to an even higher standard, in order to set an example to the officers as well as the community.
I pray that these concerns do not fall upon deaf ears.

Sincerely,
A Dedicated Miami Police Officer

Mr. City Manager,
It has been recently reported that you will soon be issuing disciplinary action to Police Chief John Timoney regarding his involvement in an ethically questionable Lexus incident, not least of which was his attempt to mislead the public by issuing a statement he reasonably knew to be false.
I would like to take this opportunity to express certain concerns that I hope you will take into consideration in your decision as to what manner of discipline you issue.
As Police Officers, we are held to a higher standard than the general public, we are expected to set the example for proper conduct, both, in our professional as well as personal lives. We are not only bound by Florida State Statutes that don't apply to civilians, but also endure restrictive Departmental Orders which govern our actions both on and off-duty.
Often times, some of these regulations can be intrusive on not only the officers, but our families as well. We and our families endure these policies and accept them as part of our chosen profession, or if you will, our calling.
Every officer recognizes that should he/she be caught violating these or any laws, rules or regulations, he/she faces stiffer penalties than a civilian would in a similiar circumstance.
This is not a complaint, I'm merely stating facts so that you may better understand the context of this letter.
We are held to these higher standards for very good reasons. One of those reasons being our credibility during criminal proceedings. Our testimony on the witness stand is constantly called into question by defense attorneys, seeking to create reasonable doubt by preying upon the jury members already extant suspicion of the police.
I have no doubt that very soon, defense attorneys, will be using this fiasco during their closing arguments to the juries. It would not be the first time that a scandal at the Miami Police Department would be used as fodder to create reasonable doubt.
May I remind you, that the prosecution must put forward a theory of a crime based soley upon facts and testimony entered into evidence. The defense is not burdened by this restriction, allowing them to present any theory, no matter how outlandish. All in an effort to create reasonable doubt.
Now, should the discipline you impose upon Chief Timoney be perceived as exceedingly lenient, the effect may prove extremely detrimental to this department's ability to successfully prosecute criminal cases.
It is not beyond the imagination to picture a defense attorney asking a jury how could they believe the officers testimony, when it has been proven that our leadership can openly lie and mislead the public without serious consequences. If that is the department's leadership? Then what can the public expect from the officers?
Therefore, I submit that there is a logic to holding officers to higher standards, in order to set an example to the community. Following that logic, then one must agree that the leadership should be held to an even higher standard, in order to set an example to the officers as well as the community.
I pray that these concerns do not fall upon deaf ears.

Sincerely,
A Dedicated Miami Police Officer


What a great letter. Whomever you are, I hope you are one of MPD's leaders, or at least hope you are in the future. Your letters of reason have more validity than all this FOP grand standing which has proven to have NO teeth. I hope you continue with your postings and that reason will prevail in the City manger's judgment.

God bless you brother in your efforts -

Buteo

Mr. City Manager,
It has been recently reported that you will soon be issuing disciplinary action to Police Chief John Timoney regarding his involvement in an ethically questionable Lexus incident, not least of which was his attempt to mislead the public by issuing a statement he reasonably knew to be false.
I would like to take this opportunity to express certain concerns that I hope you will take into consideration in your decision as to what manner of discipline you issue.
As Police Officers, we are held to a higher standard than the general public, we are expected to set the example for proper conduct, both, in our professional as well as personal lives. We are not only bound by Florida State Statutes that don't apply to civilians, but also endure restrictive Departmental Orders which govern our actions both on and off-duty.
Often times, some of these regulations can be intrusive on not only the officers, but our families as well. We and our families endure these policies and accept them as part of our chosen profession, or if you will, our calling.
Every officer recognizes that should he/she be caught violating these or any laws, rules or regulations, he/she faces stiffer penalties than a civilian would in a similar circumstance.
This is not a complaint, I'm merely stating facts so that you may better understand the context of this letter.
We are held to these higher standards for very good reasons. One of those reasons being our credibility during criminal proceedings. Our testimony on the witness stand is constantly called into question by defense attorneys, seeking to create reasonable doubt by preying upon the jury members already extant suspicion of the police.
I have no doubt that very soon, defense attorneys, will be using this fiasco during their closing arguments to the juries. It would not be the first time that a scandal at the Miami Police Department would be used as fodder to create reasonable doubt.
May I remind you, that the prosecution must put forward a theory of a crime based solely upon facts and testimony entered into evidence. The defense is not burdened by this restriction, allowing them to present any theory, no matter how outlandish. All in an effort to create reasonable doubt.
Now, should the discipline you impose upon Chief Timoney be perceived as exceedingly lenient, the effect may prove extremely detrimental to this department's ability to successfully prosecute criminal cases.
It is not beyond the imagination to picture a defense attorney asking a jury how could they believe the officers testimony, when it has been proven that our leadership can openly lie and mislead the public without serious consequences. If that is the department's leadership? Then what can the public expect from the officers?
Therefore, I submit that there is a logic to holding officers to higher standards, in order to set an example to the community. Following that logic, then one must agree that the leadership should be held to an even higher standard, in order to set an example to the officers as well as the community.
I pray that these concerns do not fall upon deaf ears.

Sincerely,
A Dedicated Miami Police Officer

I am proud to be your brother! NOW MAIL IT TO MR. HERNANDEZ PRONTO!

Hypnos

HAHAHAHAHA,

What a crock of shit. I can't believe that a looser writing this OPEN LETTER in between porn website visits really wants the manager to read it. Listen, Open Letters are signed by the persons trying to effect a change. Not written in some anonymous wannabe blogger's idea of fun. You want to be a Captain someday, make a complaint to the appropriate people to return the Captain's test. Are you a commander or major promised higher office by unseen dark forces, tell the truth about it and you'll probably be the hero in the next administration.

Are you pissed because the FOP's fifteen minutes are almost up? Pete Hernandez is a stand up person who won't accept this anonymous and vicious attacks on Timoney. Remember, we did the same thing to him a few months back and unlike us, those people never forget. Remember Mr Manager, we are like the crackhead brother that turns every couple of months to screw things up.

From Another Anonymous Blogger Policeman...


HAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA,

What a crock of shizzat. I can't believe that a looser writing this OPEN LETTER in between porn website visits really wants the manager to read it. Listen, Open Letters are signed by the persons trying to effect a change. Not written in some anonymous wannabe blogger's idea of fun. You want to be a Captain someday, make a complaint to the appropriate people to return the Captain's test. Are you a commander or major promised higher office by unseen dark forces, tell the truth about it and you'll probably be the hero in the next administration.

Are you pissed because the FOP's fifteen minutes are almost up? Pete Hernandez is a stand up person who won't accept this anonymous and vicious attacks on Timoney. Remember, we did the same thing to him a few months back and unlike us, those people never forget. Remember Mr Manager, we are like the crackhead brother that turns every couple of months to screw things up.

From Another Anonymous Blogger Policeman...


HAHAHAHA

So, Contrarian, you prefer an unethical, lying and sot police chief?

Your fellow officers you call crackheads, the lowers form of chemical addiction. With supporters like you, Timoney surely does not need enemies!

The fact is that anonymous dissent is, and historically been a valued expression of free speech, read The Federalist Papers and learn!

Mr. Hernandez may or may not read all the anonymous letters, that most assuredly are raining upon his office regarding Timoney's predicament. Whether Timoney is suspended without pay, dismissed or given a 'dignified way out remains to be seen and Mr. Hernandez must weigh his own future in this crucible too! The fact remains that if most of the anonymous letters project a picture of a police department whose force is totally demoralized and resentful of the top two command officers, as it's echoed in this forum, Timoney you've got a problem!

Time to get a job as a high paid consultant with your new bud Donny Deluca!

Perhaps we expect too much from a system that is run by and supported by the politicos!!!

To point out the obvious:
Mr. Hernandez answers to the mayor, the mayor being known to be a less than by-the-book guy supports the chief.

The manager who wants to be here long enough to be elligible to collect another pension will do what the mayor wants. It is simple enough!!!

By the time the Ethics Commisions catch up all the players have retired gone on to their next money making project and everyone has forgotten all about it.

I think we need to look into how the BSO Sheriff came to be investigated by the Federalys. The same elemental crimes were committed here and I don't think that the statutory limitations apply to chief law enforcement officers when they commit a crime...........................

For once I'm glad the Feds don't like us :D

Hello FBI, Can We Talk..............................

I can imagine that in the final analysis everyone wants the same thing. If Timoney's supervisors determine that he committed a violation, he should be punished accordingly. No one has actually questioned that fact at all. The problem that I see as a relatively disinterested observer is the way some have used this incident to forward their own agendas. Who knows what is really going on in the dark corners of this agency. That is what I really want to know.

The Chief and his Deputy Chief have done what they truly believed was necessary to move forward in a positive direction. I'm sure some people were put out when a Police LT was promoted to Deputy Chief, seemingly overstepping some other potential candidates. That doesn't change the need for new and dynamic leadership. Notice that I did not say, friendly, hold hands leadership. So what if he has acted a bit imperial on occasion, I know new sergeants that walk around treating people like crap. If I'm going to have a new chief in the future step up and show us who you are, what you can do, how you're going to do it. Don't do it in the cover of darkness with minions and future mini despots doing the dirty work.

I can imagine that in the final analysis everyone wants the same thing. If Timoney's supervisors determine that he committed a violation, he should be punished accordingly. No one has actually questioned that fact at all. The problem that I see as a relatively disinterested observer is the way some have used this incident to forward their own agendas. Who knows what is really going on in the dark corners of this agency. That is what I really want to know.

The Chief and his Deputy Chief have done what they truly believed was necessary to move forward in a positive direction. I'm sure some people were put out when a Police LT was promoted to Deputy Chief, seemingly overstepping some other potential candidates. That doesn't change the need for new and dynamic leadership. Notice that I did not say, friendly, hold hands leadership. So what if he has acted a bit imperial on occasion, I know new sergeants that walk around treating people like crap. If I'm going to have a new chief in the future step up and show us who you are, what you can do, how you're going to do it. Don't do it in the cover of darkness with minions and future mini despots doing the dirty work.
Yet, your comments and mine are from necessity, have to come from the darkness your rail against. What you fail to realize is that whatever frank is, it is what T$ had done that is relevant. Twice now he has lied in public, to the media, about his acts. He knew the freebies was wrong or why lie about it being a lease. Why? And if he didn't say F the cubans, why hasn't he filed suit against the Miami New Times? Why? If he is ever a witness in court, his word is worthless . Any one who has spent time in court, has seen it done to witnesses by the defense lawyers. AND THAT IS WHY HE NEEDS TO MOVE ON. He has been caught lying, and in our profession that makes your words suspect for life. And this why he should realize his acts, and resign. But that, will not happen as this man has no honor.

I'm not sure if this subject has been covered before or not but I will present the question to all of you. Now that we have thrown down our cards and voted against the Chief what do we do next if he is allowed to stay? And please do not start the B.S. talk about a work slow down. That has not worked in the past and will not work now. As distasteful as some of you find it the reality is that the FOP president needs to have some kind of working relationship with the Chief of Police. He needs to have the ability to pick up the phone and address concerns of the policemen without having to wait through the grievance process. That ability is now completely gone. I would have hoped that Armando would have brought his concerns to the Chief earlier and that the evidence would have been much stronger. The lack of a thorough investigation is clearly a problem. Him stating that he leaked information regarding a possible ethics violation to the media instead of bringing it to the attention of the proper authorities is clearly a problem. Then to make matters worse he chooses to provide that information to only one news outlet. What did he think would happen next? The Chief then provides every other channel with statements and access which turns them in his favor. Other errors were made but it helps little to discuss them now. Why did we not let the Lexus debacle bring down Timoney then actively push for a candidate of our liking to replace him? Because in his rush to bring down F.F. Armando might have done much more harm than good. Armando raised the sword of the FOP in an attempt to topple F.F. If the attempt fails Armando may have to fall on that same sword.

Who do you suggest Armando tell. The Mayor? Who? He was in contact with the city Manager for a MONTH. Start talking to citizens on your calls folks. Public safety trumps the media every time. Explain how crimes changed, do not get investigated, leaving the offender free to keep doing business. Those of you who thought this was going to be easy, aren't realist. But you can get the public on your side, and the clowns at Pan Am Drive, will send him on his way.

[Thanatos]

Never forget that people with political aspirations fear the court of public opinion.
The leadership of this city has been contacted directly and have chosen to ignore our concerns.
Our only recourse is then make the public aware of what we have been forced to deal with.
The more public the our concerns become, the more questions are asked of the politicians.
These politicians may not give a squat about what the employees think, but public opinion, that's their livelyhood.
Hence the reason I post my thoughts not only on this forum, which trust me, the department as well as the city's administration monitor,but on those which are more readily monitored by the public as well.

Who do you suggest Armando tell. The Mayor? Who? He was in contact with the city Manager for a MONTH. Start talking to citizens on your calls folks. Public safety trumps the media every time. Explain how crimes changed, do not get investigated, leaving the offender free to keep doing business. Those of you who thought this was going to be easy, aren't realist. But you can get the public on your side, and the clowns at Pan Am Drive, will send him on his way.


:P THE HONORABLE MR. CITY MANAGER,

JOHN TIMONEY AND FRANK FERNANDEZ HAVE BROUGHT WORK ETHICTS AND DISCIPLINE TO THE FINEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE WORLD.
A FEW LAZY DISGRUNTLED OFFICERS ARE CONSPIRING TO UNTIE THE KNOT OF PROGRESS AND TO RETURN TO THE DARK AGES OF THE PAST.

THESE FEW BAD APPLES CANNOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS GONE FROM INFAMOUS TO RECOGNIZED THROUGHTOUT THE WORLD.


THANK YOU

Yo,La verdad,what drugs you be on cause thats some good shi...
T and his wanna bee chief havent done a thing for this dept. unless u want to include destroying the morale and causing over a 100 good cops to leave!!!
EVERYTHING they have done was in place under chief Martinez.
THE MIAMI POLICE DEPT HAS BEEN VIEWED WORLD WIDE AS ONE OF THE BEST FOR 50YRS!!! NOT EVEN THE HARD RIVER COP YRS RUINED US.
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF YOU PIECE OF CRAP.
YOU ARE DENIGRATING AND BADMOUTHING FELLOW COPS WHO CAME BEFORE US!! SOME WHICH GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR THIS CITY.

YOU ARE a DISGUSTING,EGOMANIAC,STAFF MEMBER AND KISS A$$ IF YOU THINK THAT THIS TRAVELING,DRUNK CHIEF, HAS DONE ANYTHING FOR US!

La Verdad? Mack, you wouldn't know what the word means in any language! Your post oozes the most vile and servile attitude a man could ever plummet to. When you look in the mirror, does your reflection vomits at your sight?



Who do you suggest Armando tell. The Mayor? Who? He was in contact with the city Manager for a MONTH. Start talking to citizens on your calls folks. Public safety trumps the media every time. Explain how crimes changed, do not get investigated, leaving the offender free to keep doing business. Those of you who thought this was going to be easy, aren't realist. But you can get the public on your side, and the clowns at Pan Am Drive, will send him on his way.


:P THE HONORABLE MR. CITY MANAGER,

JOHN TIMONEY AND FRANK FERNANDEZ HAVE BROUGHT WORK ETHICTS AND DISCIPLINE TO THE FINEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE WORLD.
A FEW LAZY DISGRUNTLED OFFICERS ARE CONSPIRING TO UNTIE THE KNOT OF PROGRESS AND TO RETURN TO THE DARK AGES OF THE PAST.

THESE FEW BAD APPLES CANNOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS GONE FROM INFAMOUS TO RECOGNIZED THROUGHTOUT THE WORLD.


THANK YOU

Who do you suggest Armando tell. The Mayor? Who? He was in contact with the city Manager for a MONTH. Start talking to citizens on your calls folks. Public safety trumps the media every time. Explain how crimes changed, do not get investigated, leaving the offender free to keep doing business. Those of you who thought this was going to be easy, aren't realist. But you can get the public on your side, and the clowns at Pan Am Drive, will send him on his way.


:P THE HONORABLE MR. CITY MANAGER,

JOHN TIMONEY AND FRANK FERNANDEZ HAVE BROUGHT WORK ETHICTS AND DISCIPLINE TO THE FINEST POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE WORLD.
A FEW LAZY DISGRUNTLED OFFICERS ARE CONSPIRING TO UNTIE THE KNOT OF PROGRESS AND TO RETURN TO THE DARK AGES OF THE PAST.

THESE FEW BAD APPLES CANNOT ACCEPT THE FACT THAT OUR DEPARTMENT HAS GONE FROM INFAMOUS TO RECOGNIZED THROUGHTOUT THE WORLD.


THANK YOU

Brought work ethic? Hey as?hole. Many of those who came before you have died or been severely disabled by doing their job and you have the gaul to say that here? Those photo opp hounds have only brought a no confidence vote for the first time in Miami Police history. A few lazy disgruntled officers? over 80% of the votes cast have no confidence in either of those two butt plugs. So your saying 30% are lazy and corrupt under T &amp F's supervision? That will not look good in their resume if your correct. And as to infamous, wait for what they say when FDLE gets thru with Fankie and Johnny. FDLE IA does the investigation, heads are rolling. Ask Sheriff convict in broward.

Guys remember that in BSO it all started with compstat and the same allegations made here. And yes the sheriff did go down, but not for changing stats, however a few officers did go to jail. So beware what you wish for?.

Guys remember that in BSO it all started with compstat and the same allegations made here. And yes the sheriff did go down, but not for changing stats, however a few officers did go to jail. So beware what you wish for?.

[color=darkred][size=24]If someone gets arrested for manipulating the stats is the Officer handling the call. His immediate supervisor ( sergeant ) will denied he ever told the officer to make the appropriate change. :devil: Therefore the same idiot who voted no may get arrested. You don't have to go far look at Pichel.
Francisco Pichel wanted friends and ex- fellow officers arrested to cover up his misdeeds. It back fire, who got arrested?. Francisco!!!!!!

[Thanatos]

Hypnos,
Salutations my brother, hope all is well. Thank you for explaining the value of anonymous dissent to our contrarian friend.
In line with the post you sited, her's a few that should shed some further light on Delucca.

http://www.verasysllc.com/management.php?id=74

Additionally, here's an interesting link on the retired Marine Corps General who apparently spoke before congress reference the trip Timoney took to Iraq.

http://www.leadingauthorities.com/24339/James_Jones.htm

It appears that the exit strategy theory mey be more viable than originally thought.

Esteemed brother, doubtless Timoney endeavors to circulate in a league of extraordinary gentlemen! Still, a man can only walk on one path! Consequently it is an undeniable fact, that he has abandoned his primary duty as Miami Police Chief has delegated the department's critical responsibility for daily operations to a neophyte lieutenant and worse, as a result of the Lexus fiasco, violated the trust bestowed upon him!

Let's see what the Florida Ethics Commissions say about Timoney's alleged violation of FSS 112.313?