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So does anyone know if the Sheriff is going to post another testing process? From what I know the books and material should come out Feb 08.

Read your CBA grasshopper. Go get some more experience and we'll see where you're at next year. We have about all of the five year sgts. that this agency can handle right now. We appreciate your interest in the position.

Read your CBA grasshopper. Go get some more experience and we'll see where you're at next year. We have about all of the five year sgts. that this agency can handle right now. We appreciate your interest in the position.
Hey thanks Seasoned. Why are so many 5 year Sgts' promoted? You "Seasoned and Ready to Go" Deputies should smoke them in the process with all that experience and knowledge. You still need just a GED to process, so you should be good.

I have one better. A almost 7 year deputy who has now been a sergeant for a little over a year spent first 5 years of his law enforcement career on a motorcycle writing tickets. Now hows that for supervisor experience?

Wait, one almost as good! A sergeant who spent his tours of duty out of uniform down in district 7. Thank God he was promoted, now he can at least go home and sleep in his easy chair with his radio next to him. Good luck getting him on the road during football season

Read your CBA grasshopper. Go get some more experience and we'll see where you're at next year. We have about all of the five year sgts. that this agency can handle right now. We appreciate your interest in the position.

You got that right! If I have to deal with one more 5 year sgt who doesn't know his way around, I'll scream! Anyone who thinks you're "seasoned" or "experienced" after only 5 years. You're just starting to get your feet wet.

Read your CBA grasshopper. Go get some more experience and we'll see where you're at next year. We have about all of the five year sgts. that this agency can handle right now. We appreciate your interest in the position.

You got that right! If I have to deal with one more 5 year sgt who doesn't know hisway around, I'll scream! Anyone who thinks you're "seasoned" or "experienced" after only 5 years You're just starting to get your feet wet.

Read your CBA grasshopper. Go get some more experience and we'll see where you're at next year. We have about all of the five year sgts. that this agency can handle right now. We appreciate your interest in the position.

You got that right! If I have to deal with one more 5 year sgt who doesn't know his ******* from his elbow, I'll scream! Anyone who thinks you're "seasoned" or "experienced" after only 5 years is nuts. You're just starting to get your feet wet.

And up to his REAR END alligators too ! !


This why we need a new law enforcement deputy collective bargaining union. This would allow us to set standards of people transitioning from deputy to sergeant. One choice might be that all future sergeant have to be at least a career deputy I, meaning at 7 years as a LE deputy, with no breaks in service or bridged time.

If you read other posts the idea of John Cogburn (did I spell his name correctly?), who I hear from guys on the road tonight is really a kick , take names guy we need to lead us.

I am totally for this. I have been here 2 1/2 years and will literally make less than the new guys coming on. That I blame on Kaz. and others in PBA. And I don't like it that when I and other object, all they say is get over it, or rookie, there are a lot of good people here with less than 5 yrs experience at PBSO, so I think for the PBA to forget us is not right.

GENTLEMEN AND LADIES, NO WHERE IN THE CBA DOES IT SAY YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BE A PBA MEMBER TO HAVE THE RIGHTS AND BENEFITS OF THE AGREEMENT. IT IS ALL LISTED IN THE CONTRACT. HERE IS A RELATED SAMPLE.

SO, ON 07-07-07, THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO UNITE IN UNITY AND PROTEST AND SUBMIT MEMEOS REQUESTING A DROP FROM PBA.

ARTICLE 1
PREAMBLE

THIS AGREEMENT is entered into by and between the SHERIFF OF PALM
BEACH COUNTY, FLORIDA, located within the County of Palm Beach, State of Florida (hereinafter referred to as “PBSO”), and the PALM BEACH COUNTY POLICE BENEVOLENT ASSOCIATION, INC. (hereinafter referred to as the “PBA” or the “Association”), as the sole and exclusive bargaining representative of the employees within the certified bargaining units. It is the purpose of this Agreement to promote and maintain harmonious relations between the Sheriff and the employees within the certified bargaining units; to provide for equitable and peaceful means of resolving grievances which may arise; and to establish fair wages, hours, terms and conditions of employment.

NO WHERE DOES IT SAY YOU HAVE TO BE AN ACTUAL PBA MEMBER. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF BARGAINING UNIT.

NOTE BELOW THE TERM "UNIT MEMBERS", NOT PBA UNION MEMBERS. UNIT MEMBERS ARE ANY MEMBER PROTECTED UNDER THE AGREEMENT .


ARTICLE 37
GRIEVANCE AND ARBITRATION PROCEDURE

Section 1. Grievance Procedure

A grievance shall be defined as a dispute over the interpretation or application of the specific provisions of this Agreement. The parties agree that this procedure will substitute for and replace the procedure found at GO 210.00 for bargaining unit members.

Unit members may appeal disciplinary suspensions of greater than two days, disciplinary demotions or discharges by either using the procedure in this Article or the Career Service Employees Act (GO #202.01), but not both. Employees may avail themselves of only one of these forums, and once an option has been chosen the other procedure shall be foreclosed to them.

Unit members may appeal disciplinary action involving disciplinary suspensions of two days or less through this procedure up to Step 4, but the decision of the Sheriff or his designee at that step will be final and the matter cannot be taken to arbitration.

Unit members who wish to appeal performance evaluations may informally contest their evaluations by conferring with the next level within the chain of command. Members will be given the opportunity to clarify their position and voice opinions regarding the evaluations, and the reviewing authority may supplement the evaluations, but members shall not be entitled to grieve their evaluations.

Section 2.

In a mutual effort to provide harmonious relations between the parties to this agreement, it is agreed to and understood by both parties that there shall be a procedure for the resolution of grievances or misunderstandings between the parties arising from the application or interpretation of this agreement as follows:

Step 1. The aggrieved employee with or without a union representative may present a written grievance to his/her Captain within ten (10) working days of the occurrence or knowledge of the matter giving rise to the grievance. The Captain shall attempt to adjust the matter within his/her authority and respond to the party presenting the grievance
within ten (10) working days.

Step 2. If the grievance has not been satisfactorily resolved in step 1, the PBA representative and/or the aggrieved employee may appeal the grievance to his/her Major, in writing, within ten (10) working days of the date the response was due in Step 1. The Major shall respond to matter within his/her authority, in writing, within ten (10) working days to the employee and PBA.

Step 3. If the grievance has not been satisfactorily resolved in Step 2, the PBA representative and/or the aggrieved employee may appeal the grievance to the Colonel in his/her chain of command, within ten(10) working days after the time the response from the previous step is due. The Colonel shall respond, in writing, within ten (10) working days to the employee and PBA.

Step 4. If the grievance is not satisfactorily resolved in Step 3, the aggrieved employee of the Association may appeal the grievance to the Sheriff or his designee, in writing, within ten (10) working days of the date the response was due in Step 3. The Sheriff or his designee shall respond in writing within ten (10) working days to the employee and the PBA.

Note: The time limits set forth may be waived only by mutual agreement, in writing, between the parties. If the PBA fails to advance a grievance within these time limits the grievance will be treated as withdrawn with prejudice. If the PBSO fails to respond to the grievance within these time limits, the grievance will be treated as denied, effective on the date the response was due.

Section 3.

Should the PBSO wish to press a grievance, such grievance must be presented to the PBA for a response. The PBA shall have ten (10) working days in which to submit a written response. The PBSO may appeal the PBA’s response to arbitration pursuant to Section 4 of the procedure below.

Section 4. Arbitration Referral

1. If the grievance is not resolved at Step 4 of the Grievance Procedure, the aggrieved employee or the PBA may, within ten (10) working days of the date the response was due in Step 4, submit a request for arbitration to the Sheriff. In general grievances, either the PBA or the PBSO may request to take the issue or grievance to arbitration.

2. If the parties fail to mutually agree upon an arbitrator within ten (10) days after the date of receipt of the arbitration request, a list of seven (7) qualified neutrals from the American Arbitration Association shall be requested by either party, with a copy of the request sent to the other party. Within five days after the receipt of the list, the parties shall meet and alternately cross out the names on the list, and the remaining name
shall be the arbitrator. The party bringing the grievance shall cross out the first name. Failure of the parties to select an arbitrator within thirty (30) days of receipt of the panel from AAA will be considered a withdrawal of the grievance with prejudice.

3. The hearing on the grievance shall be informal and the strict rules of evidence shall not apply.

4. The arbitrator shall not have the power to add to, subtract from, modify or alter the terms of this collective bargaining agreement in arriving at a decision of the issue or issues presented, and shall confine his or her decision solely to the interpretation or application of the agreement. The arbitrator shall not have the authority to determine any issues not submitted.

5. The decision of the arbitrator shall be final and binding upon the aggrieved employee, the union and employer, except as provided by law, or if the circuit court finds that the arbitrator’s decision is clearly erroneous or in violation of public policy.

6. The arbitrator’s fee and expenses shall be borne equally by the parties, unless otherwise agreed to by the parties.

7. Attendance at any arbitration procedure and compensation of participants shall be the responsibility of each side.

8. The arbitrator shall be requested to tender his/her decision as quickly as possible, but in any event, no later than thirty (30) calendar days after the hearing.

9. In the case of a grievance involving any continuing or other money claim against the employer, no award shall be made by the arbitrator, which shall allow any monetary payment, damages or accruals for more than five (5) working days prior to the date when such grievances shall have been first submitted in writing.

10. Upon receipt of the arbitrator’s award, corrective action, if any, will be
implemented as soon as possible.

11. If either party to this agreement requests a copy of transcripts of the arbitration hearings, both parties will share equally the cost of such transcripts.

Section 5.

Where a grievance is general in nature, in that is applies to a number of employees having the same issue to be decided, or if the grievance is directly between the Union and PBSO, it shall be presented in writing directly at Step 4 of this Grievance Procedure, within fifteen (15) days of the time limits provided for the submission of a grievance in Step 1, and shall be signed by the aggrieved employees or the Union Representative on their behalf.

Section 6.

PBSO agrees to forward a copy of the initial face sheet of internal grievances, when the employee elects not to have Union representation. Upon the Union’s request, PBSO will provide copies of all written documents pertaining to the employee’s grievance, to the extent authorized by the public records law.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but there will be no test in 2008. Due to the budget crunch the Sheriff is not going to spend half a millon dollars to retest. Sorry boys.

What PBSO needs to do is to make the rank of Corporal an actual 'tested for' promotion after 3 years as a D/S. If promoted to Corporal, then supervise under a Sergeant and be eligible for Sgt. exam after three successful years as a Corporal. But, what PBSO really needs if it ever wants to break out of the 40's and 50's is to have certified tests and processes for ALL ranks up to and including Colonel....done by outside test givers, etc. Then, a certified list and no political monkey business on the part of an elected clown. At least the people under the Sheriff would be respected by the Agency as having gotten there through an honest and certifiable process. END any whacko corporal to major political stuff and all that is still going on today with this inept, inexperienced hicksville WPB Chief.


Just FYI...corporal is a "tested" position now along with an oral board.

What PBSO needs to do is to make the rank of Corporal an actual 'tested for' promotion after 3 years as a D/S. If promoted to Corporal, then supervise under a Sergeant and be eligible for Sgt. exam after three successful years as a Corporal. But, what PBSO really needs if it ever wants to break out of the 40's and 50's is to have certified tests and processes for ALL ranks up to and including Colonel....done by outside test givers, etc. Then, a certified list and no political monkey business on the part of an elected clown. At least the people under the Sheriff would be respected by the Agency as having gotten there through an honest and certifiable process. END any whacko corporal to major political stuff and all that is still going on today with this inept, inexperienced hicksville WPB Chief.


Just FYI...corporal is a "tested" position now along with an oral board.The FTO position has always had an oral board (popularity contest) and a written test (FCAT)...although these are tests, there is no true process...if you have not been written up and are popular with your sergeant, you wil be an FTO. As many of you can attest, it is hard to find a quality deputy who wants to train someone. Half of the deputies are too lazy, 1/4 are no eligible and 1/4 just don't want to (understandable)...
There are FTO's on the road that can't perform a simple investigation without assistance. They do not set an example for younger or new deputies. They don't process crime scenes, they 1/2-fast reports, they write like three-year-olds...they want the 5% or 10%, but don't want to earn it. Ask the new road deputies who their FTO's were and they will amaze you with their stories of incompetence. Where have all the good ones gone ? And they will be promoted to be sergeants...

What PBSO needs to do is to make the rank of Corporal an actual 'tested for' promotion after 3 years as a D/S. If promoted to Corporal, then supervise under a Sergeant and be eligible for Sgt. exam after three successful years as a Corporal. But, what PBSO really needs if it ever wants to break out of the 40's and 50's is to have certified tests and processes for ALL ranks up to and including Colonel....done by outside test givers, etc. Then, a certified list and no political corrupt monkey business on the part of an elected clown. At least the people under the Sheriff would be respected by the Agency as having gotten there through an honest and certifiable process. END any whacko corporal to major political corruption and all that is still going on today with this inept, inexperienced hicksville WPB Chief.

Very obvious this is Pat or one of his fearless companions. This is the same person posting under the Fog Thing forum. If he isn't a PBSO employee he would have the courage to post his real name. But it's just like Pat or his followers to hide behind the truth.

Hey Mods why don't you delete the post from caring citizen since it is a direct violation of terms of use.

[quote="caring citizen"]What PBSO needs to do is to make the rank of Corporal an actual 'tested for' promotion after 3 years as a D/S. If promoted to Corporal, then supervise under a Sergeant and be eligible for Sgt. exam after three successful years as a Corporal. But, what PBSO really needs if it ever wants to break out of the 40's and 50's is to have certified tests and processes for ALL ranks up to and including Colonel....done by outside test givers, etc. Then, a certified list and no political monkey business on the part of an elected person. At least the people under the Sheriff would be respected by the Agency as having gotten there through an honest and certifiable process. END any whacko corporal to major political stuff and all that is still going on today with this inept.

Very obvious this is P or one of his companions. This is the same person posting under the Fog Thing forum. If he isn't a PBSO employee he would have the courage to post his real name. But it's just like P or his followers to hide behind the truth.

Hey Mods why don't you delete the post from caring citizen since it is a direct violation of terms of use.[/quot

sounds like you’re a little touchy about criticisms. maybe this guy just has a good point that there should be testing for all ranks. could this be little mikey k sitting at his computer. how did you do so well on all those tests? just casue someone says something you don't like don't run to the moderator crying about it

What PBSO needs to do is to make the rank of Corporal an actual 'tested for' promotion after 3 years as a D/S. If promoted to Corporal, then supervise under a Sergeant and be eligible for Sgt. exam after three successful years as a Corporal. But, what PBSO really needs if it ever wants to break out of the 40's and 50's is to have certified tests and processes for ALL ranks up to and including Colonel....done by outside test givers, etc. Then, a certified list and no political monkey business on the part of an elected clown. At least the people under the Sheriff would be respected by the Agency as having gotten there through an honest and certifiable process. END any whacko corporal to major political stuff and all that is still going on today with this inept.

Very obvious this is P or one of his fearless companions. This is the same person posting under the Fog Thing forum. If he isn't a PBSO employee he would have the courage to post his real name. But it's just like P or his followers to hide behind the truth.

Hey Mods why don't you delete the post from caring citizen since it is a direct violation of terms of use.[/quot

sounds like you’re a little touchy about criticisms. maybe this guy just has a good point that there should be testing for all ranks. could this be little mikey k sitting at his computer. how did you do so well on all those tests? just casue someone says something you don't like don't run to the moderator crying about it


This has nothing to do about criticism. This has to do with the fact this "caring citizen", probably O has posted 3 or 4 times bashing our Sheriff. Our Sheriff who fought tooth and nail to get us the money we needed for honor our contract. This site in not designed to bash upper command, whether you like them or not. This citizen doesn't belong on here, this is not "Citizen affairs" it's LEO AFFAIRS. Why no agency is perfect, there are many post on here from d/s who came from Boca, West Palm, Delray who rave about this place. Mr. Citizen believes Sheriff's offices are the worst for nepotism. There were several post disputing that fact, and the person continues to post stuff . He is stirring the pot which is a violation of terms of use. Stop with the negative comments about this place.

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What PBSO needs to do is to make the rank of Corporal an actual 'tested for' promotion after 3 years as a D/S. If promoted to Corporal, then supervise under a Sergeant and be eligible for Sgt. exam after three successful years as a Corporal. But, what PBSO really needs if it ever wants to break out of the 40's and 50's is to have certified tests and processes for ALL ranks up to and including Colonel....done by outside test givers, etc. Then, a certified list and no political corrupt monkey business on the part of an elected clown. At least the people under the Sheriff would be respected by the Agency as having gotten there through an honest and certifiable process. END any whacko corporal to major political corruption and all that is still going on today with this inept, inexperienced hicksville WPB Chief.

Very obvious this is Pat or one of his fearless companions. This is the same person posting under the Fog Thing forum. If he isn't a PBSO employee he would have the courage to post his real name. But it's just like Pat or his followers to hide behind the truth.

Hey Mods why don't you delete the post from caring citizen since it is a direct violation of terms of use.

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